Went by yesterday and they said that the Kaiser (Cingular version) will be out in June to replace the 8525 at the same price. Do they know something that we dont.
Unfortunately, I have my doubts because the salesKid didn't even know that the 8525 was based on the HTC TYTN. I mentioned the front facing camera and he had the deer in headlights look. I politely said never mind, thank you, and walked out.
The vast majority of Cingular employees don't know much more than a phones basic specs, and that's IF they bothered enough to read them. I haven't found one that knew WM6 even existed, and most are clueless on the services too. It took me 3 different people to get the right answer about what "unlimited text" really meant, since my original plan had them charging me for IM's sent via Agile, WHEN I WAS TOLD UNLIMITED DATA WOULD COVER THOSE! However, I can't be angry. It's a part-time job for a lot of them, and they're there to make sales and collect a paycheck. The people on here know more than Cingular does.
I totally agree. Ive been dating a cingy store manager for about year. Its pretty funny because she ends up asking me technical questions about her own products, or answers to problems that her IT guy cant figure out, or updates on when WM6 is releasing, etc.
The information on forums like these are lightyears ahead of what average cell phone company employees know. If I EVER had a technical question about my phone or other gadget, the first thing I would do is visit a forum, the last thing I would do is ask the guy to makes $5/hr at the cingy store...
I actually turned on a Cingular store manager to this forum and now he's hooked. He's installed various dif. roms and tweaks and whatnot. He actually thought that unlocking his phone would make it NOT work on Cingular network in the beginning...talk about Cingy brainwashing.
An authorized reseller sales guy actually pointed me towards these forums. He seemed to know his stuff.
Im A Cingular or new att whatever employee. Been one for almost 4 years. And it is true, there are just some employees here who dont give a **** about phones. They are just here to sell them and not make it part of their lifes like we all have. To them it all seems to boring. But hey these phones arent meant for everyone. And as far as the kaiser it will be out i believe in june, but as far as cingular they most likely will be releasing it sometime in august or late 2007. Maybe even 2008. Depending on all that testing crap they do.
Yeah - it's like anything else... some are into it and others are crappy. I have run into some EXCELLENT Cingular reps and some really completely clueless ones. I wil say (and I hope I do not offend anyone here) that it appears that the original blue AT&T reps seem in general to be the most knowledgable - especially in terms of phones and such. Of course, that could just be my experience or my geography, but that has been my experience to date.
I am sure that there are people at each of our jobs (or schools) that just do the minimum to get by and then others that go to the max to do their best all the time. It takes all kinds.
Im a Mobile Data Specialist(title is prolly gonna change soon) in a southern market. most employees dont know a thing about the phones they sell.
in fact Im appalled whenever I meet salespeople. most dont even really know what a megabyte actually is. never mind the difference between WAP and HTML or wtf a rom is.
about the kaiser. I was told to expect it in spetember which seems to make more sense since
A) we have not recieved any info about an expected release date from cingular and should have if it was coming out in june
B) european versions have not yet hit the market and
C) an HTC representative told me him or herself that the expected release date is in september.
it is possible that test versions will ship to us in june but I doubt a sales rep would know that. normally it takes about three months to certify a device.
some people know more than others because they may be friends with some HTC reps like me.
or maybe they are marketing directors
or if theyre really lucky they are QA testers.
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Just a thought that came to me...
I was perusing some old posts about when the g1 came out. It seems funny to me that since the launch of the g1 and android, the people that loves the iphone (fanboys -- trying not to be flaming here - lol), How many comments about how this phone is going to die out soon and what not. I think back when the iphone came out and that was only just over 2 years ago, and the g1 is now only 3 months shy of its birthday, how many people bashed this phone.
I love this phone and most people at work would love to have one, but they aren't on t-mobile. They like what the capabilities of this phone will become and then some. I think that they were wrong to get rid of the keyboard, I like being able to type and the screen and not half hidden by a vk.
I think that the prices on the market are such that it will also bring people this this system (not just the phones). With what is coming out from the various manufactures that are makikng android phones, i think about the fact that there is only 2 phones available from the iphone....
I wonder how dead is this phone? If this OS came in a flip phone (because that is what my wife wants), then I will be more than happy to give her one. All in all, I will stick with android, not because i am a "fanboy", but because I believe in the magic of opensource and helping one another is what being human is about.
So, one last comment before I put my drunk ass to bed, dollars to doughnuts, this'll be around for awhile. I like both phones, they are basically the same under all the glitter. But, hey, everyone has a choice.
have a great 4th of july everyone, and if you are not from the USA, then I hope you have a great 4th of july also.
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Just a thought that came to me...
I wonder how dead is this phone?.
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The phone isn't dead, it's because T-Mobile doesn't really give a crap about their phones enough to actually market them. They also don't care about you, the consumer. Honestly, all they care about is their bottom line.
Look at any call center. Many call centers constantly run competitions for CSR's to win some widget. Sell x amount of this brand of phone and win a prize.
Know what that means? When a consumer calls in wanting a Blackberry (or whatever), the CSR is going to do whatever they can to convince you to buy phone brand x because they want to win the widget, not because they give a damn about what phone would best suite you.
Tmobile actively encourages this kind of crap and they should be ashamed.
Very true. Back in Jan someone I know went to tmo asking about the g1. The rep told him it sucks buy a blackberry, (the flip one.. pearl maybe? I dunno). That was the craziest thing I have ever heard. Bb > android? Is this guy high?.. lol needless to say he has since returned and purchased the g1 after talking to me. I just thought this to be insane.
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Sir, I'm afraid what you just said was a lie.
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Sir, I'm afraid what you just said was a lie.
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I BIG FAT BOLD FACE LIE. he must be Sprint Employee lol
yea i must say sprint by far has the worst customer service out of all carriers and ive dealt wit them all...by far the best is tmobile without a doubt
I've had awesome customer service from sprint. I always treat purple with respect and kindness and receive the same. If ur rude to the reps then they will not want to help u. They also just recently moved my one year premier upgrade a month early for me so I could get the epic
Sent from my Epic 4G
(this isnt aimed at anyone... I re-read it and it sounds like I am trying to call people out, and I am not lol) if I went to your work at mcdonalds and was a **** about not wanting salt on my fries, would you smile and turn the other cheek and fix it? Or would you spit in my food? I will be the first to admit, if you are nice and respectful, I will bend over backwards to help you out. If you are a bag o' douche, then you can suck it. Social engineering makes the world go 'round.
When calling customer care for help on something, which one of these will work better?
"So, I love (like, enjoy, whatever) my sprint service, I have never had any issues with my account, but my phone is starting to act up. I have insurance, and know I can pay $100 thru assurion to get a new (refurbished) device. I know my upgrade isnt until november, but is it possible to move up my upgrade?"
OR
"I saw online you moved up someone elses upgrade by a month, and I demand the same thing or I will have to talk to your supervisor! I have had sprint service for 22 months and will cancel and tell everyone I know to cancel also if you dont do this. My uncle knows Dan Hesse and will make sure you get fired also."
I never have had any issues with getting my upgrades early. Got the epic for free even
ravizzle said:
I've had awesome customer service from sprint. I always treat purple with respect and kindness and receive the same. If ur rude to the reps then they will not want to help u. They also just recently moved my one year premier upgrade a month early for me so I could get the epic
Sent from my Epic 4G
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Personally I treat all colors with respect. I am a bit partial to blue but purple deserves respect as well as the rest of the colors of the rainbow. Pardon the interruption, I had some teeth pulled today and the vico's are helping a bit too much...
I've had great customer service as well, but why in the heck is this in the dev forum????
i was hoping that no one responded to this stupid thread so it can get lost on page 2 somewhere. this has nothing to do with android development. oh well, the op got what he/she wanted......attention.
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i was hoping that no one responded to this stupid thread so it can get lost on page 2 somewhere. this has nothing to do with android development. oh well, the op got what he/she wanted......attention.
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not really , I was just happy that sprint credited me for my discounts on my remaining lines, and I forgot that I was in the dev section...
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Personally I treat all colors with respect. I am a bit partial to blue but purple deserves respect as well as the rest of the colors of the rainbow. Pardon the interruption, I had some teeth pulled today and the vico's are helping a bit too much...
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Omg that was hella funny. Well thats swype for ya.
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How did u get the epic for free?
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Call vzw and tell me how you feel sprint is by far the best. That is all
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I'm not quite as pleased with the customer service here as I was with vzw personally. I recently had a frustrating few days with them as I was one of the unlucky few to receive an epic with the malfunctioning capacitive buttons. Long story short they wouldn't swap me out for a new one, then I was talked down to for returning the malfunctioning device by the sales staff saying I was costing her a sale. I returned it and decided to just get another from best buy....payed a little extra but the device works great...just wish it wouldn't have been such an ordeal to get here
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As a customer service manager for 14 years I am particularly sensitive to how I am treated by other companies. I have a unique view from both sides of the fence so I am never overly judgmental or expect the world from anyone on the other end of the phone.
That being said, I have NEVER in my entire life been treated the way that sprint treated me as a brand new customer of only 2 1/2 months.
I switched to sprint because T-mobile coverage in my area was less than acceptable. Ever since switching I have been fighting with them over promises made, bills messed up, unauthorized billing, you name it. Not once have I ever spoken with anybody from sprint that has given me the impression that they care one bit for me as a customer.
The people they hire to man their phones could really care less whether you stay with sprint or not. Not even their escalation managers want to take any time to try and solve your problem.
The reps in the official stores are no better. Just as soon as they found out that I bought my epic from a "third party store" and not an official sprint corporate store they treated me like a red headed step child. Oh, I apologize that I didn't hunt down one of the 3 official sprint stores in Utah. The damn store had ONLY large yellow sprint decals all over the windows and sign. How the hell was I suppose to know that it wasn't an "official" sprint corporate store?
I made a HUGE mistake in switching to Sprint and the next two years can't come fast enough so that I can get out of my contract now.
It's also interesting to google "worst customer service". You will find Sprint at the top of every list.
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As a customer service manager for 14 years I am particularly sensitive to how I am treated by other companies. I have a unique view from both sides of the fence so I am never overly judgmental or expect the world from anyone on the other end of the phone.
That being said, I have NEVER in my entire life been treated the way that sprint treated me as a brand new customer of only 2 1/2 months.
I switched to sprint because T-mobile coverage in my area was less than acceptable. Ever since switching I have been fighting with them over promises made, bills messed up, unauthorized billing, you name it. Not once have I ever spoken with anybody from sprint that has given me the impression that they care one bit for me as a customer.
The people they hire to man their phones could really care less whether you stay with sprint or not. Not even their escalation managers want to take any time to try and solve your problem.
The reps in the official stores are no better. Just as soon as they found out that I bought my epic from a "third party store" and not an official sprint corporate store they treated me like a red headed step child. Oh, I apologize that I didn't hunt down one of the 3 official sprint stores in Utah. The damn store had ONLY large yellow sprint decals all over the windows and sign. How the hell was I suppose to know that it wasn't an "official" sprint corporate store?
I made a HUGE mistake in switching to Sprint and the next two years can't come fast enough so that I can get out of my contract now.
It's also interesting to google "worst customer service". You will find Sprint at the top of every list.
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Ive been with them for 8 years the last 2 have shown great improvement.
In 2008 Sprint received a score of 56, AT&T, T-Mobile and Verizon all received scores above 70. Sprint received a 70 rating this year, a 14-point improvement which is pretty amazing really.
Your Google suggestion is very misleading with much of the sprint Worst CS being from prior years.
The current ratings are much better.
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/26293/
Anyway Sprint CS P me off at times...so does Cox cable internet , Directv , Samsung & a few others.
That's life
Hmm, i wouldn't know whether they are the best or the worst because i really don't know. The beauty of my Sprint service is that it works well enough that i don't call customer service.
sling said:
Ive been with them for 8 years the last 2 have shown great improvement.
In 2008 Sprint received a score of 56, AT&T, T-Mobile and Verizon all received scores above 70. Sprint received a 70 rating this year, a 14-point improvement which is pretty amazing really.
Your Google suggestion is very misleading with much of the sprint Worst CS being from prior years.
The current ratings are much better.
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/26293/
Anyway Sprint CS P me off at times...so does Cox cable internet , Directv , Samsung & a few others.
That's life
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How is it misleading? The very first google result is MSN's Customer Service Hall of Shame with Sprint at the top in 2007 and jumping only three spots to number 4 from 2007 - 2010.
2007 - 1st
2008 - 3rd
2009 - 3rd
2010 - 4th
You consider 4th worst company for customer service an improvement? When they disappear from that list altogether then I'll consider it an improvement. And before you start throwing this "well they're a big company" BS my way, consider that there are very large successful companies that never make this list.
Also that link you provided only compares their customer service with other wireless carriers. The MSN list is much more comprehensive.
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How is it misleading? The very first google result is MSN's Customer Service Hall of Shame with Sprint at the top in 2007 and jumping only three spots to number 4 from 2007 - 2010.
2007 - 1st
2008 - 3rd
2009 - 3rd
2010 - 4th
You consider 4th worst company for customer service an improvement? When they disappear from that list altogether then I'll consider it an improvement. And before you start throwing this "well they're a big company" BS my way, consider that there are very large successful companies that never make this list.
Also that link you provided only compares their customer service with other wireless carriers. The MSN list is much more comprehensive.
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Apples to oranges.
Of course you want to compare wireless service to other wireless service. What are you going to do? Dump your Sprint phone and buy a toaster because Litton Toasters customer service is better?
Oh, and please provide a link. I'd like to actually read what you're reading and, as funny as it is to do, not compare phone CS to toaster CS.
Thanks.
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How is it misleading? The very first google result is MSN's Customer Service Hall of Shame with Sprint at the top in 2007 and jumping only three spots to number 4 from 2007 - 2010.
2007 - 1st
2008 - 3rd
2009 - 3rd
2010 - 4th
You consider 4th worst company for customer service an improvement?
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Ya I consider that improvement.
The 14% customer satisfaction increase in 2009 - 2010 is pretty amazing edging very close to their competition within 5%
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When they disappear from that list altogether then I'll consider it an improvement. And before you start throwing this "well they're a big company" BS my way, consider that there are very large successful companies that never make this list.
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Relax Im not making excuses for them.
I am stating that their making major improvements you disagree.
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Also that link you provided only compares their customer service with other wireless carriers. The MSN list is much more comprehensive.
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na If in the market for cell phone I would compare carrier CS ratings , Prices & my local coverage.
Those factors made my decision easy.
My Coverage is better then the others , I save about 40.00 a month and get more.
I have no need to call CS everyday....maybe twice a year if headaches come from it oh well its worth great coverage & major savings.
Does that make sense to you?
Hi,
I was surfing in T-Mobile fourms and one of the members said that he went to T-Mobile and fought with them regarding the problems in GPS and demanded them to replace his Vibrant or give his money back and they told him that a GPS fix will be roller over the Air on 9/18/2010 !
Everybody will get it OTA expect me and I have to wait for someone to post the fix in the Internet !
Source: http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/Samsung-Vibrant/GPS-Fix-9-18-2010-Over-the-Air/td-p/466469
Pro tip: T-mobile reps or any rep for that matter, will in fact tell you anything to get you to shut up. So I wouldn't be to surprised if this was all just B.S. to get that guy off the phone. But if it is pushed the 18th that would be great just don't get your hopes up.
just because some guy spoke to a rep from t-mo doesn't mean jacks**t, pardon my french. they're trained to tell people what they want to here, and NO SERVICE REP has any more information than you or I. All we can, do is wait and hope sammy comes through with an update, which has been leaked already, but is still only eclair (2.1). So froyo still remains elusive, at best.
I'm a cust care/tech 1 rep for t-mo and I haven't heard/seen anything about this. If I remember when I'm at work tomorrow then I'll call up to tech 2 and see what they know. They usually know about the update type stuff before us lowly tier 1's.
I'm a T-mobile retail rep. A lot of times I get my news from XDA and other sources way before I get it officially from work sources. And no I haven't heard anything yet.
You really dont think a Tmo store rep would lie about this - do you ???????
I'm sure the reps are saying that the T959UVJI2 will be available OTA in 9/18/2010
REPS are trained to LIE!
Truth is that there is a huge disconnect between the people who work in the retail outlets, and the people who handle telephone support issues, and the people who develop software, and the people who purchase the hardware, and the people who... well, I think you get the idea. But in the end they all have the same goal - selling their product. So yeah, while they are disconnected from each other, they will still say whatever it takes to keep pushing product - including phones and service.
True story - In February I bought a Samsung Behold II phone for my wife and extended the contract on her line for 2yrs. - 6 months later the phone still was on Android 1.5 with endless promises of an update from store clerks, telephone support agents, harware manufacturers, etc. that were never fulfilled. I spoke at length with TMO agents about getting a replacement phone, or any kind of relief on an upgrade in the form of an upgrade credit at the very least - they wouldn't budge and my wife was stuck with a phone she hated. As a last resort I emailed the CEO of TMO and I emailed the Executive Response team - within 4 hours someone called me at my home, listened to my complaint, and get this: They took my wifes line out of her remaining 18 month contractual obligation! That guy pushed a button and made 18 months of contract just go away.
I think that what I'm trying to say is - if you want real answers and real results, contact the TMO Executive Response team. ([email protected])
OR....
Get a phone you're happy with AS IS WHEN YOU BUY IT
it's not rocket science...jesus
you have a couple weeks to try out the phone
I'm seriously trying to figure out how and why this belongs in the DEVELOPMENT forum?
Mods, a little help? Can we get a second "report button" but maybe it can be something fun and funny at the same time, like "report use that clearly can't read which forum they're posting in" button?
Cheers,
=)
~ Jocelyn
I knew they're lying ! How it's possible to release a fix a week before another fix which will address the first one !!? makes no sense !
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I knew they're lying ! How it's possible to release a fix a week before another fix which will address the first one !!? makes no sense !
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Uhmmmm what are u talking about? What have they released? or what other updatr are u talking about? Thats how rumors get started
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Pro tip: T-mobile reps or any rep for that matter, will in fact tell you anything to get you to shut up. So I wouldn't be to surprised if this was all just B.S. to get that guy off the phone. But if it is pushed the 18th that would be great just don't get your hopes up.
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I'm a cust care/tech 1 rep for t-mo and I haven't heard/seen anything about this. If I remember when I'm at work tomorrow then I'll call up to tech 2 and see what they know. They usually know about the update type stuff before us lowly tier 1's.
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As an assistant manager for a corp store. i hate to say but Genesis is completely right. some of our reps dont care and will say anything. Not to mention the scum that is indirect reps. and smerff. i have not seen anything on streamline yet nor has my ITA rep.
Sprint support is NOT terrible. I know that as humans, our minds tend to remember negative experiences for much longer than positive ones, and I know that people don't come to XDA to share when things are working, but I just had a wonderful session with a tech. I don't remember his name, but I do remember the amount of dedication he put forward for this problem. After having issues with receiving text messages for whoever knows how long, we speculated since I installed Google Voice and then uninstalled it, then not being able to send texts, I Odin'ed back to good old EC05 while re-partitioning and clearing my EFS. I don't know if it was this that broke things, doubt it, but then I tried to make a voice call for the first time in a few days. It failed with an error number 16 and then some switch number. I tried calling the phone and it told my that the Google Voice subscriber (who is me) was unavailable. After thinking 'WTF HAVE I DONE TO THIS!!!!!' for a few minutes I Google'd error 16. It involves fraud, ESN cloning, and running S-OFF (to root) on HTC EVOs. Normally they all got fixed by calling Sprint. I called and the rep removed GV completely from the account. That didn't work. After an hour of resets, refreshes, and trials, he created an E-ticket for me to get a replacement. During this time I had been Googleing the error 16 more. It said something about a CHLS reset. I'm not a rep but I mentioned that we should try it. He said that it had been done earlier but he was eager to try it again. At this point, if I had been handling the call, I would probably be pissed. The called wants me to try something I did half an hour ago. But nope, this rep was perfectly fine with my suggestion. This time it worked and I had all connections restored. I thanked him graciously and asked if, now that we were done, I could ask about the switch to LTE. He told me that he didn't have official information but he would tell me what he had heard/knew. He said that from what he knows that LTE and WiMax will coexist together, perhaps with dual band devices. We laughed at the battery usage of that but he did tell me that Sprint is looking to compete with Verizon for LTE coverage. That's exciting news for me, whether or not it is accurate. Verizon is getting LTE in Delaware, I know there is some 15 miles away from me, and that would be great.
TL;DR for this post: Sprint support is helpful and we only hear about negative experiences. I'm not saying that all calls end well, but we need to remember that every rep is different. There are people who are just doing their job, and there are people who do their job well. From my experience, the latter is much more common.
No they really do suck! All the way up to Executive services...they have locked down the ability to give any benefits to unsatisfied customers and they will straight up lie to cover their asses. They don't give a crap about the customer anymore. I have talked to a few that were nice however they were incompetent, so you can't have it both ways.
though the few support situations i've been in involve a sprint store, although they were kinda uninformed and just kept to the script and ended up being non-helpful both times, i won't say it was a good or bad experience. I'm glad to see someone giving them there props when their do to receive them.
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No they really do suck! All the way up to Executive services...they have locked down the ability to give any benefits to unsatisfied customers and they will straight up lie to cover their asses. They don't give a crap about the customer anymore. I have talked to a few that were nice however they were incompetent, so you can't have it both ways.
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wow Kenny, surely you don't lump all of us techs into that. I believe myself to be very competent, and I am certainly honest and straightforward.
And the "ability to give any benefits to unsatisfied customers" is pretty ridiculous as it generally sets unreasonable expectations for customers, especially those who then act as if courtesies and favors are expected to be given all the time.
Plus it's just good penny pinching. What do you expect from a company about to spend 10+ billion in the next year and half.
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I had a similiar problem awhile back but mine was with not being able to make calls while out of my home area in certain areas was kinda weird but I had 3g and 4g though. Long story short there was a special network reset on sprints end that fixed it for me and maybe it was a chls. This did also occur to me after efs clear.
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Okay, yeah, the store people suck. I've never had to call more than once for anything though, whether it was a replacement or even sorting out connection issues. All of the stores I've been in were rude. Ones in NY last time I was there blew me off with a 'hey yo sorry bro but we're busy here and you'll have to leave the phone with us for 4 hours but i dont think you want to do that'. The local store laughed at my mothers call dropping and said that if she can make and receive calls they don't need to help. I guess 5 second connections count as calls. Anyway, maybe I've been lucky! I had issues with Sprint TV and got a discount on my bill because it wasn't at all what I wanted.
Every time i had to call tech support i had a extremely nice and helpful person on the other end they even offered to throw me some credit to my account when my first epic had problems right out of the box and another time with my towers in my area were down for 24 hrs they credited 20 to my account the only bad experience i had was when i went inot the sprint store the on-site tech had absolutely no effin clue how to fix gps on my phone i was trying to calibrate it but it wouldnt lock (first epic right out of the box) he just had no clue about anything and when i showed him some stuff on the epic i got "oh i didnt know it did that" or "ill have to remember that for future troubleshooting" seriously they should really check these guys out before they hire them dude didnt know anything about Android and he was the lead android tech lol
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The people on the other end of the phone are people to, occasionally it can be hard to remember that when they know less than you do...after all, they supposedly do this for a living day in and day out.
The last time I called Sprint it was to add a Canadian calling plan and to ask what the roaming data rate was while in Canada. Both of these items required an inordinate number of transfers and when transferred the person on the other end of the line was clearly baffled as to why I would have been transferred to them. Both items seemed to be a rather simple request as far as I was concerned considering they were very happy to charge me for these services. I would have been happy to use the Internet to do this but the option was grayed out when I logged into my account and the data rate was posted in 5 different sections of the web site at 5 different amounts.
My Sprint cellular service is good in STL and the price (including discount) is marvelous but boy-oh-boy I don't know how these guys keep the lights on.
-sigh-...I suppose it is depressing how little my colleagues know.
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Geez, if I had known this would create such a controversy I never would have said anything. I never said that corporate Sprint decisions were good, I never said that I wouldn't like more power to be given to the reps, I only said that we should appreciate those who actually have the capability and training to help out those of us who need it. I know that not everybody is helpful. I also know that if this is how we act on by far one of the nicest XDA sub-forums that exists right now, imagine what these reps must be exposed to every day. If they are less than satisfactory, I wonder how they got that way. It couldn't be years of no appreciation, could it? I never meant to deny the trouble people have had with the support system, but bring some positive to the highly hostile attitude towards Sprint employees. The ones who take the flak aren't the ones who are causing problems. /rant
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wow Kenny, surely you don't lump all of us techs into that. I believe myself to be very competent, and I am certainly honest and straightforward.
And the "ability to give any benefits to unsatisfied customers" is pretty ridiculous as it generally sets unreasonable expectations for customers, especially those who then act as if courtesies and favors are expected to be given all the time.
Plus it's just good penny pinching. What do you expect from a company about to spend 10+ billion in the next year and half.
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No Squishy, definitely present company accepted. And up until a year ago everything was rosy with me an Sprint but something happened in corporate that turned the whole picture sour. Customer service was no longer first. Reps that actually wanted to help said their hands were tied. When I lost a $2000 job that I would have made in 1 days work because of an Airave upgrade Sprint denied it all the way up to Hesse's office. The Airave tech said an update had just went through and caused all calls in my home to go directly to voicemail. After resetting the Airave it was working again. I compained and asked for a simple courtesy to get an early upgrade or just move the date, or just get one more yearly update that they took away, I was told by Executive services that there is no record of an Airave update and my phone lost sync with the tower. After explainging that I had no problem outside of airave range they still stuck to their lie as to prevent a lawsuit on the loss of income. That is a bunch of assh&les to me.
It must be mind numbing to park yourself in that Confederacy of Dunces day in and day out. On the flip side I bet dealing with the public likely makes you want to kill yourself some days.
I'm not even asking that the guy on the end of the phone know anything really....I always assumed, based on how many times I get put on hold, that all a CSR needs is enough time and cerebral ability to type my question into the computer and read me back the answer. It's when this process breaks down that I get pissy.
In all fairness to Sprint it's as bad (or good) as any other consumer tech company I deal with regularly. Obviously not all Sprint CSRs are bad apples but why-oh-why does Sprint's ratio of spoiled fruit seem so high?
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The people on the other end of the phone are people to, occasionally it can be hard to remember that when they know less than you do...after all, they supposedly do this for a living day in and day out.
The last time I called Sprint it was to add a Canadian calling plan and to ask what the roaming data rate was while in Canada. Both of these items required an inordinate number of transfers and when transferred the person on the other end of the line was clearly baffled as to why I would have been transferred to them. Both items seemed to be a rather simple request as far as I was concerned considering they were very happy to charge me for these services. I would have been happy to use the Internet to do this but the option was grayed out when I logged into my account and the data rate was posted in 5 different sections of the web site at 5 different amounts.
My Sprint cellular service is good in STL and the price (including discount) is marvelous but boy-oh-boy I don't know how these guys keep the lights on.
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Lol att cell does the same thing when you want to add foreign service plans and are baffled to lol. Att internet customer support are a bunch of retards they don't even know what services they sell. You have to call 5x in order to get the service you already knew you were available to get. All the corporations are just ridiculous. Its not just one its ALL OF THEM.........
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My question is, if we know so much more about these devices than the people they are paying to troubleshoot the devices when we have a problem...why the hell aren't WE the one's working at Sprint??
Well, to answer my own question I guess, I see how ruffled feathers get when a noob wanders in asking dumb questions, how many here would volunteer to deal with nothing but noobs all day long?
Well, to answer my second question- I suppose it is easier dealing with noob 'problems' than tracking down a bug in a kernel or a glitch in a ROM UI, but these are fun activities for most self-taught programmers, as opposed to dealing with someone wondering why their phone 'won't work' (however vague that claim is!) probably drives you up a wall..still, if it paid well..where can I sign up? I need a job...lol
My experience with Sprint CustServ so far has been mixed- mostly because if you can't show someone how your phone is misbehaving, and they aren't smart enough to understand what you are describing- troubleshooting is impeded to say the least. On the whole though, the Epic was more trouble than the reps. I'm on my fourth one..
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Geez, if I had known this would create such a controversy I never would have said anything. I never said that corporate Sprint decisions were good, I never said that I wouldn't like more power to be given to the reps, I only said that we should appreciate those who actually have the capability and training to help out those of us who need it. I know that not everybody is helpful. I also know that if this is how we act on by far one of the nicest XDA sub-forums that exists right now, imagine what these reps must be exposed to every day. If they are less than satisfactory, I wonder how they got that way. It couldn't be years of no appreciation, could it? I never meant to deny the trouble people have had with the support system, but bring some positive to the highly hostile attitude towards Sprint employees. The ones who take the flak aren't the ones who are causing problems. /rant
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Honestly, most of us don't care about your pleasant experience at sprint. The fact remains, the service is mediocre at best and the data is slower than my dead grandmother. Post something most can relate to in the future. Mmmk?
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b16flybye said:
Honestly, most of us don't care about your pleasant experience at sprint. The fact remains, the service is mediocre at best and the data is slower than my dead grandmother. Post something most can relate to in the future. Mmmk?
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Cool story bro you should tell it agan...
I can't relate to your "mediocre" experience at Sprint. Next time post something I can relate to yeah?
I have to say I have had nothing but good experiences with Sprint Customer Support. (crosses fingers)
A bill issue was resolved fast and easily, and a couple issues with my phones were resolved in a way I was satisfied with.
Given my interactions with Comcast, Verizon, and several other IT companies, I have to give Sprint props, as they were better then all the others, as least in my experience.
As someone that deals with IT calls from irate customers quite often, I feel that a lot of the interactions issue are as much an issue with the customer, as it is with Sprint.
As always... YMMV
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As always... YMMV
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FTW. Sometimes I get so mad at them that I want to cancel my service immediately. Other times, they're the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Had to go into the store, waited something like 45 minutes for an associate to help get my kids phone changed over. He was very polite and apologetic... then I've had chats where they promised the unwanted service that kept coming back....took three bill cycles to resolve....
Mostly I've had good experiences with them. But I'm low maintenance....
ive got 2 great corp. stores near me. most of the techs and front end people are rooted. i go in there and we talk about rooting, samsung and bada, apple hatred, all that good stuff. mostly nothing but good experiences here. if any one here is having trouble with sprint, try this number. no hold times, a live english speaking person, and typically, they are somewhat experienced.
877-775-4886
account services aka retentions, but they are still more than willing to help.
So, I started a petition for Verizon to carry the Note/Journal. Got around 1000 sigs so far as I write this.
I'm new post-wise so I can't link, you will have to go to change.org and do a search for Verizon Galaxy Note or somesuch. If you Google it you'll get a couple of 2nd and 3rd-tier phone sites talking about it.
I didn't trust the "source" at CES who was so sure VZW would get it, and I haven't heard anything since. I know AT&T has an exclusivity period, I know it's a fairly large initial investment, and I know VZW needs a valid business case to go forward with any new device. I'm sure that if they are still considering it, they're watching to see how sales are at AT&T. Just to let everyone know I'm being rational and not expecting miracles. I do feel, however, that with a sensible argument along with a somewhat noticeable number of petitioners, this could go somewhere.
I have a couple of corporate email addresses (handsets, product distribution, and corporate strategy) and I plan to let them know where I/we are coming from. If you're interested, go sign, and thanks in advance!
zeno
Verizon retail people (who never know anything factual) claim it's an "internet rumor" only. Don't hold our breath.
I've been a Verizon customer for eleven years but I'll switch carriers to get the Note if it comes to that. I'll give it until maybe June and if I don't learn anything more definitive: I'm going to AT&T.
Dan
I agree, VZW sales don't know anything until corporate tells them, usually about 5 minutes beforehand. I don't feel bad saying this because most VZW employess admit as much. I did get hold of the person at corporate who is in charge of handsets etc., and she got back to me (I sent the email @ 4 AM and had a response 3 hours later) saying what I'd expect, namely that I was right about how much effort goes into putting a device on shelves and that she'd forward it all to the buyers. Bottom line, someone who actually makes a decision knows that there are potential customers, and that's all I can really do. Not trying to save the rainforests or anything
Like I said, I'm not expecting miracles. I don't know if it'll work, but I know it definitely won't work if I/we don't try. Besides, if there's one thing I've learned it's that people are all about a petition if it doesn't cost them anything; none of the petitioners are obligated to buy the device, after all (though I suppose that defeats the purpose).
Any updates on this? My contract is up in May and I need an Android phone that is at least 5.3" with an stylus (S-pen).
Unfortunately not really. The inital wave of interest that the 3rd-party press generated seems to have finished, and the petition is sitting at ~3200.
Funny, I mentioned it here at XDA because I thought there would be more than the usual amount of demand for it here. XDA is a relatively small group but uncannily good at organizing. (It also showed me that I spent a LOT more time lurking here than I realized as I could've sworn I had 10 posts in already. )
I guess most already bought an international or at&t seeing as the Note is a huge success.
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