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XDA II will have blackberry functionnality?

My IT manager has informed me that the XDA II will have blackberry capabilities once "O2 implement some changes to their servers" , which will apparently happen somewhere after X-mas.
Anybody else heard of this?

It was my impression, from something I read I believe, that the functionality comes from both 2003 mobile upgrade, and microsoft .net (2003) exchange server. Basically I was lead to believe that if you have say MS exchange server .net or 2003 what ever it is officially called, and a pocket pc phone running 2003 mobile the blackberry type functions can be had.

RIM client is being shipped in new O2 XDA II firmware next year. This means you can use it with RIM BES servers to deliver push E-mail.
This will not give the true Blackberry experience though as the carriers have only licensed a portion of the BES solution and it's functionality is limited. There is no push calendar, contacts etc. etc. and the configuration aspects are limited on PPC2003.
Good for marketing purposes but pretty much useless in my view in an enterprise deployment. It's my understanding that the RIM BES support is a firmware only solution and you will not be able to add extra functionality without the carrier licencing it and delivering it to you in ROM form.

The RIM BES is done with software. So in theory it could be implemented on the XDA II. However the BES is not cheep!!
It would be good to see if an XDA II could get the seamless e-mail connection that the Blackberry does. However the Blackberry is not a particularly good phone and when I last looked did not support SMS but P2P. If they can get over the technical aspect and the cost of the BES it would be great and I for one would perches the service in a second.
Gil.

Yes it can
the xmail software can be used to match what blackberry can provide - you will need a computer permanently linked to the network (either yours or a shared machine)

A T-Mobile manager in San Francisco explained it this way: The combination of the new Pocket PC Phone Edition 2003 software on your PDA and new mail server software (undoubtedly Exchange Server 2003, although she didn't say), lets email show up on your PDA without you having to check for it manually, just like SMS messages do. If that's what you mean by Blackberry capabilities, then it looks like everyone who has or upgrades to Pocket PC Phone Edition 2003 and gets email from an updated Exchange Server will have "Blackberry capability." She explained that the mail server will send a specially coded SMS message to your PDA (which you will never see) which will notify the OS that there is email waiting to be downloaded. The PDA will then automatically initate a download of the email. From your perspective, it will seem that the email will simply show up -- a la with a Blackberry device.

It is Exchange 2003 and Windows Mobile 2003 combo. You can set Active Sync to sync "as new items arrive" option. This option sends a special email via SMS to your phone to pull the new data. So, it becomes very close to Blackberry RIM, I love it. It saves my time to check for new messages on the road.

People are confusing two capabilities here
RIM / Blackberry INBOX software is rumored to be shipping with / in the XDA II firmware sometime in '04 (might be available now). This would allow EITHER a RIM desktop redirector OR a Blackberry Enterprise Server to wireless synchronize Exchange email with the XDA II. The BES option is much better than the 'redirector' as it doesn't require a PC to be constantly running redirecting email for every user doing this (dumb approach).
There are multiple "Blackberry Like" capabilities that support the XDA II that some of you have been referring too. Microsoft new 'titanium' / Exchange uses SMS (dumb approach) to wake up the XDA II and 'tell it' to come pick up it's mail, calendar, etc. SMS is costly in some cases, and not guaranteed message protocol in all cases.
Other ISV's are developing / have developed 'Berry like' capability for XDA II -- Synchrologoc, Extended Systems, Sybase iAnywhere, others.
Most of these take the same approach as described above by Microsoft -- some are a bit more clever approach that uses TCP/IP as the underlying Push notification vs. SMS -- which makes them alot more flexible and reliable.
NET-net: There are two options to achieving the Pushed email / PIM to the XDA II: via RIM / Blackberry approach, or via the MS / ISV approach described above.
Make sense? FYI: I know this because I am the RIM product mgr for my company, and have been exploring some of the options that are RIM-like with other device and platforms.
jpd

There are 3rd party solutions that allow for this kind of thing also. We are currently using Synchrologic Email Accelerator to do true IP push to our WM2003 devices. The device polls the server to see if new messages are there and pulls them down if there are any new items. Email, Contacts, Tasks...any of your PIM items are "pushed" (it actually appears to be a pull, but oh well) without SMS messaging taking place.
I guess my point is that this is WM2003 capability, not necessarily XDA II. You can have this "blackberry experience" today if you use the right software. Granted, its not cheap, but I know our mobile users love it.
-wurd up

wurdipus said:
There are 3rd party solutions that allow for this kind of thing also. We are currently using Synchrologic Email Accelerator to do true IP push to our WM2003 devices. The device polls the server to see if new messages are there and pulls them down if there are any new items. Email, Contacts, Tasks...any of your PIM items are "pushed" (it actually appears to be a pull, but oh well) without SMS messaging taking place.
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Yeah but the device has to be on to do this, right? I mean to "poll" the server, your PPC has to be turned on, right?
With the Exchange Server method, it will send the SMS which will cause your PPC to wake up, dl the email, and tell you "you've got mail".
-arebelspy

your PDA is never actually off unless you let the battery die. When you turn it "off" the screen just blanks to save battery. I agree, SMS message wakeup is a stupid and wasteful approach.

I need PUSH email from my company email account HOW??????

Hi
I think title says most of it.
I need push email from my companies corporate email system.
We have a Blackberry server but I have yet to find a working Blackberry client for the Wizard?
On my old PDA2K I have been using Smartner Duality which worked great HOWEVER this does not seem to be compaitble with the Wizard so suddenly I have lost my email capability and need to get it back urgently.
Any ideas out there folks?
Cheers.
Robin
PS Smartner client on my desktop in the office used to 'forward' all my outlook mail via a special server they had and thence to my PDA2K.
It is this kind of functionality I am lookiing to replace UNLESS someone actually has the Blackberry client software!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

for MS's push you'll need to wait for a ROM update with AKU 2.0
for the time being you can just set your wizard to sync with your exchange server over the net (wifi/gprs etc) every x minutes

You can try vgsmail by geoffreycross to be found in the thread 'push-email now available' it's developed for 2003 & there are posts by yzzard to get working under 2005 as well. Need to add some reg.keys manual.
Cheers, M

DeanJ said:
for MS's push you'll need to wait for a ROM update with AKU 2.0
for the time being you can just set your wizard to sync with your exchange server over the net (wifi/gprs etc) every x minutes
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I WISH.
My company is running a REAL OLD version of Exchange server and our Firewall will not allow PDA's to connect!!!!!!!!!
Unfortunately this is not an option for me.
Robin

oltp said:
You can try vgsmail by geoffreycross to be found in the thread 'push-email now available' it's developed for 2003 & there are posts by yzzard to get working under 2005 as well. Need to add some reg.keys manual.
Cheers, M
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Hi
I don't think we have IMAP enabled on our mail server and I would still haev a firewall problem so this won't work for me either. :evil:
Robin

Do they support the imap protocol? if so try vgsmail.
Sorry didn't catch your last post, forget this one pls.

I doubt they actually block PDAs since Activesync just runs over port 80 and the mail apps just use standard mail ports. More likely they don't have the appropriate software set up to active sync. Sounds like you might be better off waiting until the next ROM updates (Rumors put it as close as this week, but deffinetly before the end of Q1 this year) and possibly looking into a hosted exchange solution and having your work email forward there.

Robster,
I don't know if Vodafone offers the same thing as T-Mobile here in the states but see if they have corporate email access available, T-Mobile does and it works ok, similar to Smartner (i used that when I was running 2003SE) it works on my network and it is really locked down from outside access and they have disabled pop and imap access plus we are running Lotus Notes (man it sucks)

Setting Up Direct Push

Hi Everyone,
I am having a retard moment. Yesterday I found a document in one of the threads with a Word doc on setting up Direct Push mail. Of course I did not save it because I swore I would remember the thread. Does anyone happen to have the instructions?
I have already updated my phone to the proper ROM.
Thanks

Nevermind. Figured it out.
Wow, so far WM5 makes Blackberry look like a child's toy. Let just hope that M$ will continue support this platform.

Agreed as far as I am concerned push mail with WM5 is the way to go, no need for a BES Server or other application on my desktop to route email.

Is direct push out? Where can I download it? I thought it wouldn't be out until April.

jklny
Not offically there is a Qtek TEST Rom on the FTP that has Push, but you must have a 2003 Exchange Server running SP2 to use it.

marka2k, thanks for the info. We are actually upgrading SP2 this Friday. Thanks!
Would you happen to have the full name of the ROM? Thanks.

ftp://[email protected]/Uploads/RUU_Prodigy_2080701_101_11310_Qtek_WWE_Test.exe

marka2k said:
jklny
Not offically there is a Qtek TEST Rom on the FTP that has Push, but you must have a 2003 Exchange Server running SP2 to use it.
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Wrong ... you may use other servers then Exchange Server 2003. Exchange server has built in push mail. But there exists several other push mail servers that can also do the push. Some of these servers has also client files for WM5.

Einstein
My point (maybe not well said) was in able to use the built in push email of the Qtek TEST ROM you need Exchange 2003 and SP2
Sorry for the confusion

For push mail you need:
1. A mailbox: Microsoft Exchange, Lotus Notes Server, IMAP or POP3
2. A pushmail server: Any server that's SyncML compatible
3. A client software on your mobile: 3rd party software or Qtek new test ROM
I digged a liitle bit into these issues during the past days. I'm going to put up an test system with push mail soon to my Qtek 9100.

Thanks for the link... I'm downloading it now to give a whirl.

Push Email
FYI- I have been using a "push" email system for several years using my XDA II and my office Lotus notes system by using the Mnotes program. In "enterprise" mode, it can be installed on the server, although I'm using my desktop as the server b/c its the easiest to set up.
Only real problem was finding a compatible VPN and I'm using Movian VPN
Cheers

I am using the qtek rom with 4smartphone.net, and the push system is amazing, believe me it takes about 30 seconds from sending a mail to myself and it appearing on my device via push, its that quick

Push mail
Hi Einstein!
I'm interested to exchange information with you about push mail setup etc. My email is vesku ät email piste com (laita mailia). I have Q9100 too.
Regards,
VESKU

Here you can preview server and client view of pushmail:
http://www.htcclub.net/en/toontips.php?ID=10
And here you can read a research where RIM is compared with Windows Mobile messaging
http://www.htcclub.net/en/toonnieuwsartikel.php?ID=111

Here you can preview server and client view of pushmail:
http://www.htcclub.net/en/toontips.php?ID=10
And here you can read a research where RIM is compared with Windows Mobile messaging
http://www.htcclub.net/en/toonnieuwsartikel.php?ID=111

Well, I got 'push' running on the QTek beta ROM. Took a little fidling since not using Exchange Front-End servers and I have SSL and Forms enabled.
See this doc: http://www.petri.co.il/problems_with_forms_based_authentication_and_ssl_in_activesync.htm
Now, I just need to modify the timeouts as recommended by several people. First, I have to find the docs explaing it again.

chrissyboy6969 said:
ftp://[email protected]/Uploads/RUU_Prodigy_2080701_101_11310_Qtek_WWE_Test.exe
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Hi,
Is it only me who can not download this from the link above?
thanks.
Dexter_1975

dexter_1975 said:
Is it only me who can not download this from the link above?
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And service/server that supports push mail ...

I'm a bit confused. My exchange server is now upgraded to SP2 and I installed the test rom. Mail is coming in but not 'realtime'. I am getting emails which can be 5 to 10 minutes after I receive it on my desktop Outlook. Any ideas why the delay?
Thanks.

Which hosted providers DEFINITELY support AKU2 push?

Searching here and elsewhere turns up too many bogus leads on "push" using SMS. Who KNOWS of a provider that is actually using the AKU2/MSFP/heartbeat/whatever method of pushing to WM5 devices with AKU2 ROMs installed?

Oh yeah, and if in fact they do use that method, should you still have to enter your SMS address when configuring your WM5 device?

vettejock99 said:
Searching here and elsewhere turns up too many bogus leads on "push" using SMS. Who KNOWS of a provider that is actually using the AKU2/MSFP/heartbeat/whatever method of pushing to WM5 devices with AKU2 ROMs installed?
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I have AKU2 Rom and i use dslextreme, i called and confirmed they have sp2 and never have have had to use sms.

If you use A2UK method it does not use SMS, it keeps a http port open to you're Exchange 2003 SP2 server when it detects a change it synchs the email, task, calander or contact info.

marka2k said:
If you use A2UK method it does not use SMS, it keeps a http port open to you're Exchange 2003 SP2 server when it detects a change it synchs the email, task, calander or contact info.
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Hmm...I have been looking at them, too. What still baffles me is that it asks for a message address when I change it to "as items arrive" - period. No address, no able to select that option - do not pass go, do not collect $200. I think I need a 10 step how-to.... grrr...

AKU2 (push email) providers - experience

Anyone got any recommendations for push email providers. Or just names to compare.
So far I have tried:
4smartphone.net - good service but not cheap
mail2web.com - good and cheap
any other recommendations ?

colonel said:
Anyone got any recommendations for push email providers. Or just names to compare.
So far I have tried:
4smartphone.net - good service but not cheap
mail2web.com - good and cheap
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From what I've gathered so far, go with one of those two.

or register your own domain and build your own exchange server, works fine

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or register your own domain and build your own exchange server, works fine
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Just like that?

If you would like to have direct push mail from Microsoft on your Universal, it can be done with MS Exchange server SP2
having Echange SP2 on your own (Hosted) server, and building your own certificate on this server (domain) which you later can import on your Universal, you can use Direct Push mail (Https) fron the Universal to your Echange server.
I'm using it,..and the mobile active sync is constantly keeping the GPRS HTTPS connection allive and is syncronising constantly my inbox (agenda, contacts, email and tasks) Not the same as blackberry, but only several seconds delay (depends on gprs network, umts will be faster)

Download the latest rom with the AKU2 feature pack from MS build in, install it on your device and you can use the Direct Push function

adonker said:
If you would like to have direct push mail from Microsoft on your Universal, it can be done with MS Exchange server SP2
having Echange SP2 on your own (Hosted) server, and building your own certificate on this server (domain) which you later can import on your Universal, you can use Direct Push mail (Https) fron the Universal to your Echange server.
I'm using it,..and the mobile active sync is constantly keeping the GPRS HTTPS connection allive and is syncronising constantly my inbox (agenda, contacts, email and tasks) Not the same as blackberry, but only several seconds delay (depends on gprs network, umts will be faster)
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Yes yes, I know all this... but you can get exactly the same thing for four pounds a month with 4smartphone.net and they take care of 90% of the hassle for you. Setting up an exchange server is beyond 95% of people with handhelds. And even then, I may be being charitable.
Even downloading a dodgy copy of Exchange via bittorrent is more hassle than getting 4smartphone.net to host it for you.

adonker said:
If you would like to have direct push mail from Microsoft on your Universal, it can be done with MS Exchange server SP2
having Echange SP2 on your own (Hosted) server, and building your own certificate on this server (domain) which you later can import on your Universal, you can use Direct Push mail (Https) fron the Universal to your Echange server.
I'm using it,..and the mobile active sync is constantly keeping the GPRS HTTPS connection allive and is syncronising constantly my inbox (agenda, contacts, email and tasks) Not the same as blackberry, but only several seconds delay (depends on gprs network, umts will be faster)
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I would rather look for a personal assistant at the cost of your solution

haha,....sorry. Im a system engineer.

I've been using mail2web with my XDA Exec for the last few days and it works really well. Pretty good for a free service!

Been using 4smartphone.net trial for a few days now... My Exec's mail keeps de-syncing with the Exchange server.
I figured that if I MOVE emails between folders a lot, I start getting ActiveSync problems with error code 0x80070008 and I can't sync anymore. After a soft reset, I can sync again, but the folders on my Exec are now out of sync with folders on the Exchange server. i.e. some mails that were moved are now in Inbox of Exchange, whereas they have been moved to another mail folder on my Exec.
Seems too unreliable for me :|

My take on 4smartphone.net is that its a bit more professional then mail2web. It also ensures that emails sent are stamped with the email address you want to use (i.e. the one fwded/pop3ed to 4smartphone).
mail2web is a little more DIY, however the FAQ is good.
Ultimately I have opted to use mail2web as its only $1.99 a month vs $3.99 a month for 4smartphone (also have to keep up my IGN subscription
rgds

I found 4smartphone.net quite reliable.
did you setup manually - ? I did, maybe the autosetup has an issue.
are you syncing over wifi ? this has to be done manually
have 4smartphone.net given any reason why folder moving should case a trouble ?

colonel said:
have 4smartphone.net given any reason why folder moving should case a trouble ?
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I haven't actually contacted them yet... I've been googling 0x80070008 and found it to be memory related issues on the device. I'm thinking memory leak leading to lack of memory on my device -> ActiveSync dies.

yeah, could be too many things running as well.
I haven't rebooted for 2 weeks now (since the new O2 update) - famous last words !

what is that aku2 thing and can I use push mail on WM2003se? thnx

no. u can use activesync over a GPRS/3G with wm 2003se. look at mail2web.com FAQs.
however this is not push, its periodic activesync.
push email is where your device gets email as soon as its delivered.
this means that you get the email straight away. the technical difference is that push (in WM5) is server driven and not device driven.
I presume you don't have a universal as they are all WM5.
rgds

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the technical difference is that push (in WM5) is server driven and not device driven.
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I have a question: does this mean that you don't pay for the data required to send the e-mail to your device? The one thing that's held me back from diving into push e-mail so far is the worry of going over my data limit (5mb/month on O2 - I can't afford any extra...) and paying too much on my contract.
If MMS messages are free to receive, is it the same for push e-mail messages because the server is initiating the connection? Or do we still have to pay? If you could answer this for me I'd really appreciate it, so thanks in advance
Mach

You'd still have to pay.

thanks for answer colonel. I will look at mail2web.com.