Hello all,
I used a 4 gb mini sd for around 4 months without any serious issues (soft reset fixed everything for me.) Then, out of nowhere, the card just became unreadable. Couldn't access any data from it and I couldn't even reformat it. Completely dead.
So I started poking around about 4gb cards and found (like I probably should have done before I bought the card) that the current mini SD standard stops at 2gb. These "4GB" cards are really 2gb cards that have been hacked and reformatted to 4gb. Now, apparently this works, but drastically shortens the card's shelf life. It is said that most of them die within a few months, if they last that long.
I just wanted to post a poll regarding this issue. Hope this is of interest to everyone.
psargent said:
Hello all,
I used a 4 gb mini sd for around 4 months without any serious issues (soft reset fixed everything for me.) Then, out of nowhere, the card just became unreadable. Couldn't access any data from it and I couldn't even reformat it. Completely dead.
So I started poking around about 4gb cards and found (like I probably should have done before I bought the card) that the current mini SD standard stops at 2gb. These "4GB" cards are really 2gb cards that have been hacked and reformatted to 4gb. Now, apparently this works, but drastically shortens the card's shelf life. It is said that most of them die within a few months, if they last that long.
I just wanted to post a poll regarding this issue. Hope this is of interest to everyone.
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Well if what you are saying is true, then shouldn't the same apply to SD cards? I had used a 4gb SD card for 2 years in my Magician and Prophet without a problem...I think it was a Transcend.
Matterhorn said:
Well if what you are saying is true, then shouldn't the same apply to SD cards? I had used a 4gb SD card for 2 years in my Magician and Prophet without a problem...I think it was a Transcend.
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I think it does apply to standard size SD cards too:
I looked at the Sandisk site and the only 4 gig cards that were being sold were listed as SDHC. Nothing on the official site over 2gb that wasn't high capacity. I was able to track down the Trancend card you were talking about from a reseller (and numerous other ones including Ebay) however, if you go to the official Transcend site you see that there are no standard SD cards in a 4gb size.
This leads me to believe that the info I have been reading regarding this is correct. If the manufacturers are really putting out 4gb cards, why are they not on their official websites?
But the point remains that these 4gb cards (hacked or not) do indeed work in the Trinity (as well as other devices.) It's just for how long that is the question. I just want to find out with what regularity these cards dying so we can judge whether or not it is a worthy risk to buy one and trust our precious data to it.
Matterhorn, I appreciate you relaying your experience with the 4gb standard SD card. Perhaps the hacking and reformatting is more stable in the standard size as compared to the mini version? Hopefully this poll will help us figure it out.
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Matterhorn, I appreciate you relaying your experience with the 4gb standard SD card. Perhaps the hacking and reformatting is more stable in the standard size as compared to the mini version? Hopefully this poll will help us figure it out.
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The label on the 4gb SD Transcend looks exactly like the official Transcend color scheme. The card itself is in blue plastic and the label is in vibrant colors with Transcend, 150x, and 4GB written on the label. I believe this is the same one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208086. It also has a serial number stamped on the back. I really don't think it is a fake Transcend.
My Topram 4gb miniSD continues to faithfully work in my Trinity. I don't know anything about this ebay vendor, this link is just for info http://item.express.ebay.com/TOPRAM...320102528838QQihZ011QQtrZexpQQcmdZExpressItem. It came packaged like an authentic card, some others have no professional packaging. Perhaps it will give up one day, if it does I'll report it right away. I know there has been quite a few people stating that their miniSD cards have quit on them, which I'm sure is true, but I can't help but believe that the squeaky wheel gets the grease, meaning that people that have no problems with their cards are less likely to post results.
I've been using a 4gb card in my Trinity for about a month now.
Gave me a few problems with Media player at one stage. The MSME files for the library dissappeared and I couldnt get them deleted to fix the media library problem.
Put the card in my desktop reader and suddenly they appeared again!!
Since then - no probs. Have it well filled up with mixeded media and prog files.
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The label on the 4gb SD Transcend looks exactly like the official Transcend color scheme. The card itself is in blue plastic and the label is in vibrant colors with Transcend, 150x, and 4GB written on the label. I believe this is the same one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208086. It also has a serial number stamped on the back. I really don't think it is a fake Transcend.
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I know I sound like a conspiracy theorist, but this still doesn't account for why 4gb standard SD (non-HC) cards are not on the company's official website.
psargent said:
Hello all,
So I started poking around about 4gb cards and found (like I probably should have done before I bought the card) that the current mini SD standard stops at 2gb. These "4GB" cards are really 2gb cards that have been hacked and reformatted to 4gb. Now, apparently this works, but drastically shortens the card's shelf life. It is said that most of them die within a few months, if they last that long.
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Wouldnt it stand to reason that if they were 2gb cards "hacked" to 4gb they wouldnt have the capability to store 4gb worth of data? What you are inferring is the "Tardis" effect. Bigger on the inside than the outside which to my knowledge is not currently possible. A bit like having a normal sized mini car with 7 MPV seats inside. I think is just a matter of intermittent hardware to hardware clash/incompatibility not a 2gb hack.
Must admit,have suffered from the card corruption syndrome for the first time in my life whilst using the M700 trinity.Talk about heart attack!!!! The thing that makes me think it is a hardware compatability issue is that I have used that same 4gb miniSD in my wizard variants,prophet variants,treo's etc for over 7months no stress. Hence I know the card is good (thanx mobymemory!)
4GB Problems
I bought a no-name 4GB miniSD cheap on ebay. It worked fine initially in my Trinity, but only took a few launches of TomTom to get corrupted - "no maps found" and hundreds of smiley faces in File Explorer. I was always able to reformat and start over, but soon got tired of that. Strangely the same card performed perfectly when used in an I-mate Jam (inside an SD adapter) or when in a card reader on the PC. I got rid of the card and got a Kingston 2GB and have had no problems since.
I just got more TomTom maps and am trying to decide whether to take the plunge again. Anyone got any positive 4GB stories?
gynkotek said:
I bought a no-name 4GB miniSD cheap on ebay. It worked fine initially in my Trinity, but only took a few launches of TomTom to get corrupted
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So far so good, happens the same to me
gynkotek said:
Strangely the same card performed perfectly when used in an I-mate Jam (inside an SD adapter)
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I do not have the Jam but tested on my XDAII and works perfectly!!
How can I format it?
well i have a 4gb trans. SD 150x it works in my other mp3 player now for a long time, but as far as mini i dont know
i got a topram atm and it seems like it worked for a format or 2 and died after didnt even get to use it in my pocketPC, sending RMA request now :/
i was really looking forward to hear more good news about the 4gb topram miniSD but i dont know atm
I think maybe the poll should be changed to include SDHC cards since that is a variable that is very important on judging the 4gb cards. SDHC cards work but are just not reliable yet in the current roms.
psargent said:
I know I sound like a conspiracy theorist, but this still doesn't account for why 4gb standard SD (non-HC) cards are not on the company's official website.
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Now this is very strange:
Go to http://www.topram.com/
look at the picture in the middle right under "MiniSD" (orange background): The picture shows a 4.0GB MiniSD Card
BUT
If you click on the picture they tell you only the following cards do exist:
120X 2GB miniSD
120X 1GB miniSD
60X 512MB miniSD
60X 256MB miniSD
no 4.0GB MiniSD
What is this??????????
I tried very hard to find Matterhorns Card in Germany. No success. Simply cant find them. Not on any german online shop. Not in any real world shop. Very very strange.
saminegm said:
Now this is very strange:
Go to http://www.topram.com/
look at the picture in the middle right under "MiniSD" (orange background): The picture shows a 4.0GB MiniSD Card
BUT
If you click on the picture they tell you only the following cards do exist:
120X 2GB miniSD
120X 1GB miniSD
60X 512MB miniSD
60X 256MB miniSD
no 4.0GB MiniSD
What is this??????????
I tried very hard to find Matterhorns Card in Germany. No success. Simply cant find them. Not on any german online shop. Not in any real world shop. Very very strange.
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Oh ye of little faith
I bought mine from an ebay shop. You won't find them in Germany because they are from Asia and they're not marketed here. It came in sealed plastic and looked very professionally packaged. As far as the web site goes...how up to date are half the manufacturers web sites on the web?...not very.
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&satitle=4gb+miniSD+topram&category0=
My 4gb SD Transcend card works perfect now that I have updated WM6.
mmone3 said:
My 4gb SD Transcend card works perfect now that I have updated WM6.
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That's very good news. Thanks for that info!
good morning guys.
let me share some information i have about flash memory.
few month ago one big electronic shop in my ciy was offering usb flash disk of sizes up to 16 gb. in very cheap price.
alot of my frinds buy that memory.
after few days alot of them returen to the shop to exchange them becuse the memory damged.
some of them did not have anyproblem untile today !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the reason is .
these memory are just 4 gb memeory and haked to be like 16 gb.
so if u try to write one bite over 4 gb you will start write this bite over the first bite of card and you will damge the data on that bite. and maybe the card will not be usable again.
this hake is known to be used on other media before flash memorys.
it was used in some hard disk to foll consumers.
the same story here.
if u have a 4 gb Mini-SD . just try to put more than 2 gb and your data will be gone (bye bye bye). maybe the card will be not usable again .
hssona said:
good morning guys.
if u have a 4 gb Mini-SD . just try to put more than 2 gb and your data will be gone (bye bye bye). maybe the card will be not usable again .
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This theory has been proven to be not true over and over again...search the forums.
hm, hello and from me..
I bought 4 gb minisd Albatron, and after 2 days, the card just stopped. I tryed to format it, but no success. The card just died. After that i read this topic and searched on the albatron site to find some mini sd 4 gb card, and i cant find... after that i exchange the card with 1 gb Kingston and since then - no problems at all.. And i think that this 4 gb minisd cards are really hacked and if you have luck - you may use it maybe 5-6 months.. but i really dont buy 4 gb card, until the manufacturer says that they have one.
Regards,
4Gb Topram mini SD - fine. I've used 2 of these and they have been OK.
2Gb Transcend mini SD - useless. Would corrupt in a few hours no matter what I tried.
1Gb O2 branded mini SD - fine.
I'm still using a generic 4GB card that I bought of EBay and its settling down fine after about 3 months use. although at times, it can be just about noticably slow.
I've had a lot of trouble with the card 'dissappearing' ow and again and the Media Player library going awol. However, the fix's for those problems are well published on other threads.
I purschased a Sandisk 4GB SDHC card hoping it might be a bit faster, th Trinity cant even see it!! So much for SDHC support.
Related
Already 2 weeks into my O2 mini and I'm looking for a 4Gb card. I have a 2Gb card but have already loaded in a Lexipedia (concise Wikipedia), some video files, mp3s, and about 500MB reserved for photos, internet radio recording, offline web pages, and voice + phone call recording. Need more space for my VCD series so I can watch on the train.
Apparently, one store in Australia clearly stated on their website that any 2Gb High Speed cards 133X 150X will not work with the O2 Mini...yes, there are some users on this board who have got 150X cards running fine on their Magician but is not the norm.
Pretty much the Sandisk Ultra II and SanDisk normal SD card of 2G works fine on the Magician. So I'm looking for 4Gb cards that are around 60X or lower.
Checked on ebay and practically everyone's selling the Transcend and/or Adata 150X 4Gb SD cards which I doubt will work on the Magician. So hopefully in the coming months, if not sooner, Sandisk will make a normal 4Gb SD card.
There was a thread on the the accessories section a while back. Basically, if you want a sure bet, try the 4GB AData MMC (the green one, not the pink SD). A user reported that these definitely work. There are a ton selling on eBay as we speak for ~£120 inc p&p.
O2mini_noob said:
Pretty much the Sandisk Ultra II and SanDisk normal SD card of 2G works fine on the Magician.
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I second that.
Running a normal Sandisk 2GB without Problems!
Unfortunately all the 4Gb's on ebay seem to be the high capacity 150X ones (pink ones). That's why hopeful that they will release the green 60X ones
The 4GB Sandisk works with the Jam, but it doesn't work correctly with normal readers for the desktop that are out on the market right now. Sure, you can put movies and large files on the 4GB, but try putting a ton of photos and smaller files, such as map data. I found that the Sandisk 4GB version fails after a while, time and time again. My 2 GB Sandisk works flawlessly. Fortunately for me, my retailer off eBay has refunded my payment and I am sending his card back.
Hi gadgetman901,
Very curious as to how you managed to get your hands on a Sandisk 4Gb when there is no info about it on the Sandisk official website. Tried to search on ebay for it but the only 4Gb cards that showed up was an Ultra II that looks exactly like a Sandisk but is not a Sandisk brand.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Brand-NEW-4GB-U...yZ103409QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Hi gadgetman901,
Very curious as to how you managed to get your hands on a Sandisk 4Gb when there is no info about it on the Sandisk official website. Tried to search on ebay for it but the only 4Gb cards that showed up was an Ultra II that looks exactly like a Sandisk but is not a Sandisk brand.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Brand-NEW-4GB-U...yZ103409QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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It was on eBay a few weeks ago. The reseller does not have them listed on eBay right now. I called Sandisk when I first got it, and was having trouble formatting it with my laptop and desktop. They said that it was a counterfeit, but the reseller told me that he got them from Asia where they just were released. Regardless, the 4 GB showed up on my PPC and Desktop as 3.78 GB FAT32; however after copying my files from my 2GB to the 4GB, it pooped out every time. There was something definitely wrong with this card. I got my money back so I am still in the market for a 4 GB. Does the card you listed work with the Jam and Window XP computers??
No I haven't got any 4Gb cards. I would probably agree that the card you bought was counterfeit. Which probably is good news..when Sandisk release their 4Gb card, it should work on our Magicians
gentlemen, the 4GB is for sure a fake, please be carefull when someone offers you such cards. they are at most 512M if you are lucky and the ID on the SD is set for 4GB sundisk etc. this is also true for flash disks (disk on key) where in every market in china you can find 8GB sony - which are actually 128/256. Be carefull.
Counterfeit Sandisk 4Gb looks so real
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=103409&item=7574128504
You won't know unless you checked Sandisk's website and contact them whether this is the real article or not. If not for this forum, I'll probably be buying that one.
http://www.modaco.com/Transcend_4GB_SD_Card-t232509.html
a hi-speed confirmed working 4gb sd card and from a reputable ebay shop.
Re: Counterfeit Sandisk 4Gb looks so real
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=103409&item=7574128504
You won't know unless you checked Sandisk's website and contact them whether this is the real article or not. If not for this forum, I'll probably be buying that one.
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Yep... that's the one I bought! I couldn't believe that it is a fake! It looked so real and registered as 3.78 GB. At least this reseller has good customer service. Once I alerted him of this issue, he immediately refunded me, and I sent it back. Based on the forums I have read, I decided to get the Adata 4 GB MMC card. I feel good about this card and will post results.
MMC vs SD
Is MMC generally slower than SD?
I have a 1Gb 60X MMC card that benchmarked at 0.46MB/s on my handheld (without FAT backup, with FAT backup, it is 0.43MB/s) compared to a standard Sandisk 2Gb at 0.64MB/s
Not much difference in speed but precious seconds is important if you use the external card for internet browsing
the reason why they were so quick in refunding you is it is a fake and they probably know!!!
Anyways good that it turned out OK.
udibd said:
the reason why they were so quick in refunding you is it is a fake and they probably know!!!
Anyways good that it turned out OK.
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AMEN TO THAT!
Am getting a Transcend 4Gb and will post update next week..hoping to get it by next Friday in the post :-D
Hi,
I just bought a extrememory 4 GB 133x SD Card for my new XDA Neo.
Just for a test I put it in my Magician....
And it works flawlessly
andilein
Pretec 4gb 133x
ive had the pretec 4gb 133x since the 1st week of january and ive had no problems ever since
I've got an Adapt 4GB SD 150x and it is really great.
If you need one contact me!
Hello all, anyone know what the max card support for the universals sd/mmc reader is
Thanks
Hi there,
If I'm not wrong, the manual says clearly that universal can read/write SD cards up to 2GB (unless someone with a better expertise than me knows something different).
In any case, this is not completely right, many people uses 4GB cards (including me), but it seems that not all the applications can cope with them, photo camera is one of them, if I'm not wrong, it will not save the photos to the SD unless it has 2GB or less free space.
Somewhere else in this forum, someone else said that he even uses a sam..ung 8GB SD card (very expensive).
Hope this helps
kecido said:
Hi there,
If I'm not wrong, the manual says clearly that universal can read/write SD cards up to 2GB (unless someone with a better expertise than me knows something different).
In any case, this is not completely right, many people uses 4GB cards (including me), but it seems that not all the applications can cope with them, photo camera is one of them, if I'm not wrong, it will not save the photos to the SD unless it has 2GB or less free space.
Somewhere else in this forum, someone else said that he even uses a sam..ung 8GB SD card (very expensive).
Hope this helps
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Yup i use a 8GB Samsung SD Card to watch DVD's. I dont have the time to encode DVD's to avi xvid format so i just copy them directly to the 8GB card and watch them on the tcpmp player. Quite fun i believe. I am waiting for the 32GB SD Card release by samsung and sandisk.
im using the 4gb 150x sd card from mobymemory (£47) no probs! nice and quick too noticed tomtom load quicker.
also im using the newest qtek rom and the camera stores to card no probs (dont have to have 2gb used as per some other complaints)
Im getting the 4gb Transcend sd card soon.. im currently using 2gb transcend but I soon realized it still isnt enough...the bigger, the better of course
nuclear, I don't understand... how is an 8GB SD card possible??? 4GB should be the absolute max.
Does the Universal support SDHC in one of the newer ROMs or something?
joe_dude said:
nuclear, I don't understand... how is an 8GB SD card possible??? 4GB should be the absolute max.
Does the Universal support SDHC in one of the newer ROMs or something?
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Well the device will always show you 2000MB regardless of the ROM. But you can put more than 2000MB on your 8GB card and it will read all the files and you can use them. Its just that at this part the memory monitor will show your SD card in the negative section or full. All SD Card are compatible in the HTC Universal. Enjoy.
I am waiting for the 32GB SD Card by Samsung and SanDisk
Brain... does... not... compute.
Nuclear, I need more info. What card did you get? What brand? Is it SD or SDHC? How did you format it?
What's different about the Universal that makes it possible?!?
joe_dude said:
Brain... does... not... compute.
Nuclear, I need more info. What card did you get? What brand? Is it SD or SDHC? How did you format it?
What's different about the Universal that makes it possible?!?
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Its a SD. Samsung 150X 8GB SD Card for $200 or so. I formatted it when i insert it into the Universal. Then i hooked it up to my PC. Transfered a DVD into it. And then back into the Universal and it played the DVD!!!
Hmmm I got one of these
http://www.sandisk.com/Products/Item(1239)-SDSDPH-1024-SanDisk_Ultra_II_SD_Plus_USB_1GB.aspx
MUCH faster transfers when you put it straight in your PC. I'm thinking of getting the new 2Gb version soon
nuclear
We all want to see your super card 8GB. Please will take photographs cards on background your universal or you have no photo?
In the same way report us address where we can book the card on 32 GB or you have no internet address?
I think nuclear you fibber!!!!!
nuclear said:
Well the device will always show you 2000MB regardless of the ROM.i think u must be wrong!
look my 4gb card, and its showing:3921.69 MB total
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well im just pretty much after a reliable card , one that will store my app data etc but im worried ill get one that wont be able to do what i want
well mines fine matey, nice and quick too, compared to my 1gb puremedia one. so ill recomend my 4gb 150X one from moby memory with 5 year waranty (free usb card reader too) about £47.
Thanks, ordering one now
iv currently got every single photo we have on our laptop of the kids (thousands) on the card. all my non vital apps, i just have handy menu, journal bar and a few others staying in the phones memory
then dumped the movies, saw3, world trade centre, happy feet and jackass2 on the card, plus tomtom uk & euro maps and still got just under a gig left
daddy k said:
iv currently got every single photo we have on our laptop of the kids (thousands) on the card. all my non vital apps, i just have handy menu, journal bar and a few others staying in the phones memory
then dumped the movies, saw3, world trade centre, happy feet and jackass2 on the card, plus tomtom uk & euro maps and still got just under a gig left
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My Universal screwed up my precious 4GB SanDisk Extreme III card and my 8GB Samsung. Literally it made my 8GB to 2GB and my 4GB to 2GB. I lost 6GB of space on my 8GB card into nothing. I am contacting tech support all day and this is what they posted. THE MAX IS 2GB!!!! >>>>>.<<<<< scary ;(
http://www.sandisk.com/Compatibility/Device(8016)-i-mate-JasJar.aspx
I was going through the SD specifications, and it looks like that SD 1.1 could support up to 64GB (!!!) using 32KB clusters.
Unfortunately, this won't ever happen, since SD 2.0 flags anything above 2GB as a memory error.
8GB should be possible because FAT32 defaults to 4KB clusters, which would match. Larger capacity would need reformating to match the larger SD clusters, but technically it should be possible, IMHO.
So probably some of the Samsung OEMs do work at 8GB using SD 1.1. But I'm seeing the new auctions say SD 2.0 compatible only.
Oh well, I can live with 4GB, but I hope Windows Mobile adds support for SDHC and MMCplus.
Nuclear, the 4GB Sandisk I believe is SDHC, so it will probably screw things up. The 8GB Samsung you could probably reformat on your PC.
If you have an SDHC and an SD USB reader, use the SD one, as the SDHC one might force you down to 2 GB.
Hey, it's just my guess from reading the specs.
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Nuclear, the 4GB Sandisk I believe is SDHC, so it will probably screw things up. The 8GB Samsung you could probably reformat on your PC.
If you have an SDHC and an SD USB reader, use the SD one, as the SDHC one might force you down to 2 GB.
Hey, it's just my guess from reading the specs.
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My SanDisk 4GB Extreme III is a SDHC? I was sure i bought a SD only. It says SD on it....
As for my 8GB my PC detects it as only 2GB. Reformatted and again only 2GB. I know another way to fix it. Partition MagiC!!! I lost 6GB in partition space. And same with the other 4GB card. Once i partition it every 2GB it will make 3 cards in 1 . Well stay tuned and i will let you know how paritioning the space helped.
I was told by Leaf Wireless, the distributors of HTC in SA and Africa that the Hermes will support a 4gb micro card(Trans Flash).
I am not sure if this has been posted before, but there seemed to be speculation about this in the past on some threads.
Can anyone who has actually tried this confirm.
I am not sure if the new ROM's available have anything to do with this or not.
I believe 4GB requires FAT32 format. Try formatting a 1 or 2GB with FAT32 and see if it operates.
The Hermes can definately handle FAT 32 formated cards. I have flashed my Hermes using a 1GB micro SD card formated to FAT 32 several times with no problems. My 2GB card that I keep in the phone is also formated to FAT 32.
There have been differing reports concerning whether the 4GB SDHC format is supported or not. What we do know is this: SDHC in the registry doesn't stand for SD High Capacity.
speed compare - FAT16 vs. FAT32
I have 512MB Kingston, I tryed to use FAT16 and also FAT32 and benchmark speed on this card - FAT32 was faster, but only at some sizes of files. this results is for FAT32, tomorrow, when I am back to my PC I can format card to FAT16 and update this post with new images. otherwise, for me is 512MB enough. I have mp3 creative zen player, and I dont need use TyTN as video/mp3 player, only as storage for my documents, and installation files, so question if 4GB card work is for only matter of interest.
but there is one important thing. If you using card bigger than 512MB, it is better to use FAT32, coz if you dont you waste your space (it is known problem from PC disks). if someone have a bigger card, than 512MB try to format to FAT16, use pocket mechanic Slack Analysis function and you can see how much space is not used. on my card at this time is on FAT32 only 1,60MB (0,59%). on FAT16 is much more.
all results of benchmark is in archive. tomorrow I will update this post for results on FAT16, and also Slack analysis report.
.:update:.
rest of benchmark, tested FAT16, slack for current cluster size (8kB) is 1.10 % which is 3,40MB instead of 1,60MB for FAT32. This results is only for me, you can have different results, I have used only 50% of capacity.
Did we determine that someone ACTUALLY has a 4gb MicroSD card and IS using it formatted in some way (FAT16/FAT32)?
If we EVER get some of the SDHC micro cards in at work then i will (cough cough) sacrifice one for the xda team, but i predict it will be a LONG time before they are even ordered (no demand for them as of yet)
mrvanx said:
If we EVER get some of the SDHC micro cards in at work then i will (cough cough) sacrifice one for the xda team, but i predict it will be a LONG time before they are even ordered (no demand for them as of yet)
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How can there not be a demand? My 2GB one is stuffed full!
Zilch.
The retailer i work for (just a dead end weekend job...im an engineer student in uni) doesnt sell to people as technically minded as us, most people use the sd micro cards for mediocre phones like the Moto-razr etc... Its a home retailer primarily, they have only just started selling the 2gb versions.
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The retailer i work for (just a dead end weekend job...im an engineer student in uni) doesnt sell to people as technically minded as us, most people use the sd micro cards for mediocre phones like the Moto-razr etc... Its a home retailer primarily, they have only just started selling the 2gb versions.
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So? Even your average iPod user knows you can stuff twice as many MP3s onto a 4GB card as you can with a 2GB one. Surely?
Zilch.
Been a couple of months now.
Anyone tried and succeeded or failed with a 4Gb MicroSD in the Hermes?
SOOOOOOON!
Not here yet, but right around the corner. These are SD NOT SDHC. Should work fine. I will post results when mine arrives.
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4159987
If someone can actually get the 4gb card working then i think we have some bright prospects to actually see higher capacities[8gb+] working since they all use the sdhc format. Although i still dont know why the htc peepz didnt put a rubber cover [or even a plastic one for that matter] on the sd slot. Currently there is just soo much potential for dust,grime and moisture to get in there!
I do understand the point that <b>mrvanx </b> is making. The majority of the mobile community today are more than happy with their 1gb cards...and when there is no significant demand...then there is no motif for a [reasonably priced] supply!
I emailed HTC Europe about this and I got a reply that the Hermes is able to work with SDHC Cards, but HTC Europe only advises card up to 2 gig. So....we still don't know anything.....
4Gb SDHC seems not to work
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=308679&page=2&highlight=4gb+micro+sd
Anyone can confirm this? Or maybe someone got it working?
In my area, 4Gb micro SDHC is not even available in shops.
Anyone knows, if there will be 4Gb micro SD (without HC) available?
Regards,
ARo
Confusion
Some people here seem to be talking about SDHC and other SD cards. From what I understand MicroSDHC wont work and no one has tried a 4Gb MicroSD card yet.
If you're in the UK it looks like 4Gb MicroSD cards are now available:
http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/4-/3359487/Sandisk-Micro-SD-4GB/Product.html
Anyone bought this and tried it yet?
If i could redirect you guys to THIS POST.........anyone confirm my thinking on this?
I have a 4gb microSDHC card (bought it from eBay) and it definitely does NOT work in my TyTN.
SkyyBoy said:
I have a 4gb microSDHC card (bought it from eBay) and it definitely does NOT work in my TyTN.
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Remember dude, there has been no such update or even attempt at one yet. You may be quite valuable for testing some patches if you keep hold of it.
ok guys... some info...
There are SDHC drivers for Windows Mobile 5 & 6, they are not included in your ROM's at the moment.
The Hermes USB hardware (Samsung 2440) 'DOES' theoretically support SDHC cards, but there is no way of telling if the firmware on the controller supports it.
If there is a hardware programmer out there that can help i can sacrifice a device...
Hello People,
I just bought a HTC P3600 and was wondering to purchase a 4gb mini-SD card.
I know that this topic has been treated already in other threads but after reading them all i am even more confused.
Is MobyMemory 4gb working fine?
Is 4gb TopRam working?
Which ROM should be installed to have 4gb working correctly (even after some time)?
If still not sure, can i be sure 100% that 2gb will always work?
Thanks for letting me know, i cant wait to order a 4gb!!
Giulio
Many people are reporting serious corruption problems with 4GB miniSD cards both standard and SDHC (which are not supported according to specs).
Some people are also reporting problems with 2GB cards not being accessible when the device is turned on after stand-by, but I have been using a Sandisk 2GB miniSD card for more than 4 months now and I haven't had any problems with it at all.
There was a specific thread somewhere in this forum where people reported their experiences with several types of cards. As far as I remember the Sandisk 2GB card seemed to work fine for everybody.
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Many people are reporting problems with 4GB miniSD cards both standard and SDHC (which are not supported according to specs).
Some people are also reporting problems with 2GB cards not being accessible when the device is turned on after stand-by, but I have been using a Sandisk 2GB miniSD card for more than 4 months now and I haven't had any problems with it at all.
There was a specific thread somewhere in this forum where people reported their experiences with several types of cards. As far as I remember the Sandisk 2GB card seemed to work fine for everybody.
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Well, as I've stated in other threads, my TopRam 4gb is still working without any problems in my Trinity running the Dopod Test Rom, and now also with the 1.38 radio rom upgrade. Although the SDHC variety may well be working fine with some newer roms, at the moment a standard type card seems like a safer bet. I know some have had problems with all kinds of miniSD cards, but for every complaint how many quiet happy users might there be?
gfainky said:
Is MobyMemory 4gb working fine?
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No! Don't buy that crap! If you fill the card with more than about 1.5 GB, bad things happen. Files get corrupted and the card can't be read in a normal card reader. They also refuse to answer mails when you want to return the card. Bad service.
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Well, as I've stated in other threads, my TopRam 4gb is still working without any problems in my Trinity running the Dopod Test Rom, and now also with the 1.38 radio rom upgrade.
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OK, interesting, so it looks like a test&try approach.
Anybody elese in the Trinity world has ever tried TopRam without problems?
If i find at least another person who has it, then i may be so brave to buy it!...
Hi there,
the sandisk 2gb seems to work fine after what we can read in the forums - but does this include the ultra II version or just the regular 2gb-card?
THx, s.
Hi,
I also tried a 4GB from MobyMemory on my HTC-P3600 with latest french Orange SPV700 ROM.
Everything was fine until for unknown reason some directories & files started to be corrupted with weird characters. Then few days after, it definitively died becoming unreadable with any kind/ brand of reader. Formatting was not able to resuscitate it.
I get in touch with MobyMemory support and they kindly & promptly accepted to RMA it. I just get refunded few days ago.
So there are some problems with 4GB miniSD devices on the Trinity but none with MobyMemory support.
soulgecko said:
Hi there,
the sandisk 2gb seems to work fine after what we can read in the forums - but does this include the ultra II version or just the regular 2gb-card?
THx, s.
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I am using the regular 2GB card not the Ultra II version.
after trying a 4gb topram with bad results (corruption, etc), i'm ended to a trascend 2gb minisd now, without problems so far (in use since 4 days)
ItalianTytan said:
after trying a 4gb topram with bad results (corruption, etc), i'm ended to a trascend 2gb minisd now, without problems so far (in use since 4 days)
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I'm using the Dopod Test Rom because people reported less problems with TomTom using this ROM. My TomTom doesn't lock up. I also have done the performance reg tweaks listed in the Wiki, this gives extra memory buffer for the system. Seriously, I have many apps installed on my TopRam card and use them daily. It has 3.2 gigabytes used with much of it being TomTom maps and ogg music files. I think that the cards may not be the problem, it could be the ROM version. Lots of people with other devices buy and use these cards all the time. I've checked other device forums.
I have a Kingston 4gb MiniSD card, after putting it in my Trinity it only has 1,9gb on it! Hope someone knows a fix or something
4GB MiniSD
It seems that whatever brand of 4GB card that is used in the Trinity it seems to lose files or becomes corrupted. It must be a phone problem.
I was using a 4GB U-Tek mini SD Card which made since the first of using a lot of problems, after a couple of days the card damaged, so I bought another 4GB mini SD Card (no-name) from a german ebayer, I use this card since 3 or 4 days with no problem!
ItalianTytan said:
after trying a 4gb topram with bad results (corruption, etc), i'm ended to a trascend 2gb minisd now, without problems so far (in use since 4 days)
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I use a transcend 2Gb miniSd (since 2 months) and from time to time files become corrupted with weird character names, the only solution is to re-format. I also use a SanDisk 1Gb ultra II minisd and I never had problems with.
As Matterhorn said, that should be a ROM problem.
Personally I use a SPV M700:
ROM version: 1.23.73.3
Radio version: 1.29.00.01
Hello folks, this is my first post.
I want to buy a SD card for my Kaiser (-> T-Mobile Germany MDA Vario III to be exact).
Each time I call the service, i get a different answer. Sometimes the SDHC works with the Kaiser, sometimes only the SD does, sometimes the 8GB would work but sometimes the Kaiser can only take cards up to 4GB.
So my question to this awesome forum is:
1. Do 8GB SD cards work with a T-Mobile Germany MDA Vario III?
2. Does a T-Mobile Germany MDA Vario III take SD as well as SDHC cards?
Thanks in advance!
Hi. I see no reason why the a German version of MDA Vario III wouldn't accept an 8GB memory card. The TyTNII (registered name) is SDHC enabled and I have read on numerous websites that it has the ability to accept memory cards of up to 32GB.
I, like you, have the T Mobile MDA Vario III, only I live in the UK. I'd think that different brand names for practically the same device (TyTNII) would be fundamentally simmilar, and that if a TyTNII and UK T mobile MDA Vario III could accept an 8GB SDHC card, then it would be no different with the German MDA Vario III.
I am currently looking for the best 8GB memory card, with memory card reader too. Tell you what, get an 8GB memory card, and if it somehow doesn't work, just return it and explain that you had good reason to believe that it was compatible with your device
Mine is arriving from MemoryBits.co.uk very soon hopefully. £43.62 (+p&p) with USB card reader.
I'll let you know if it works!
ok! thanks both of you a lot! ill probably buy one and then return if it doesn't work, just as one of you proposed (the number guy )
(btw, thanks for the awesome fast response)
one problem is, you know, its the 20 december and id like to have it on the 24th for obvious reasons, so i think i cant afford waiting until you get yours, but still AWESOME thanks, foaf!!!
Boy are we in the same boat I received my sdhc 8gb just in time for Xmas but the Tytn 2 is still under the tree in its box :/
Sandisk provides the tiniest usb reader ever! I had trouble removing the micro card without breaking a nail
I also noticed that the card was formatted in fat32. So here comes a noob question: I assume there's no ntfs in winmobile?
coincoinlapin said:
Boy are we in the same boat I received my sdhc 8gb just in time for Xmas but the Tytn 2 is still under the tree in its box :/
Sandisk provides the tiniest usb reader ever! I had trouble removing the micro card without breaking a nail
I also noticed that the card was formatted in fat32. So here comes a noob question: I assume there's no ntfs in winmobile?
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adata has the smallest, thinest and at present, the fastest micro sd card reader, also any micro sd upto 2gb is set to format at fat 16 and fat 32 from the window os, for 4gb and over Fat 32.
foaf said:
Mine is arriving from MemoryBits.co.uk very soon hopefully. £43.62 (+p&p) with USB card reader.
I'll let you know if it works!
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Memory bits is one of the options I'm considering.
Ive also been considering the following an 8GB memory card-
BUNDLE Sandisk 8GB Micro SD (SDHC) memory card with Sandisk USB reader- £50.99 (shipping is free) moby memory is highly recommended for efficiency from what I've seen on other forums
http://www.mobymemory.com/phone-memory/T-Mobile/MDA-Vario-III-memory-cards.asp
and
A-DATA 8GB Turbo Secure Digital High Capacity (SDHC) Class 6 Memory Card - Retail Package (Free Ground Shipping - $57.99
http://www.supermediastore.com/a-data-turbo-sdhc-8gb-class-6-memory-card.html
I'm not sure however if this is microsd or minisd. It doesn't seem very clear
Not micro or mini
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and
A-DATA 8GB Turbo Secure Digital High Capacity (SDHC) Class 6 Memory Card - Retail Package (Free Ground Shipping - $57.99
http://www.supermediastore.com/a-data-turbo-sdhc-8gb-class-6-memory-card.html
I'm not sure however if this is microsd or minisd. It doesn't seem very clear
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That one is a standard size SD card.
cushcalc said:
That one is a standard size SD card.
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Thanks. Its misleading for it have SDHC in its title. How do you knows its a standard SD card?
No it's not, as SDHC is the newer format required to go above 4GB and it's on available on MicroSD, MiniSD, and SD Cards.
246810 said:
Memory bits is one of the options I'm considering.
Ive also been considering the following an 8GB memory card-
BUNDLE Sandisk 8GB Micro SD (SDHC) memory card with Sandisk USB reader- £50.99 (shipping is free) moby memory is highly recommended for efficiency from what I've seen on other forums
http://www.mobymemory.com/phone-memory/T-Mobile/MDA-Vario-III-memory-cards.asp
and
A-DATA 8GB Turbo Secure Digital High Capacity (SDHC) Class 6 Memory Card - Retail Package (Free Ground Shipping - $57.99
http://www.supermediastore.com/a-data-turbo-sdhc-8gb-class-6-memory-card.html
I'm not sure however if this is microsd or minisd. It doesn't seem very clear
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This one works with the TyTN II:
http://www.mobymemory.com/products/...SDHC)-memory-card-with-Sandisk-USB-reader.asp
I've been using it for 2 weeks. It works quite well (been able to load up to 6.5GB of data on the card ).
frav said:
This one works with the TyTN II:
http://www.mobymemory.com/products/...SDHC)-memory-card-with-Sandisk-USB-reader.asp
I've been using it for 2 weeks. It works quite well (been able to load up to 6.5GB of data on the card ).
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I have same card and I can use 7782.50MB...
_Dejan_ said:
I have same card and I can use 7782.50MB...
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i get roughly the same.
kms
I just ordered a 8GB card - can't wait to get it
Do you guys use the Cardreader or go through the USB Active Sync?
It seems taking the micro SD card out all the time would break the little plastic bit covering it :-(
you don't have to take the card out for just normal use, but if your going to be loading a lot of music or a couple movies at one time you might want to take it out of the phone and use the card reader cause it is much faseter.
Yea, I just ordered the 8 GB Sandisk from ebay. Should be here any day now. I can't wait!!!
Although in a few months when there's a 16 GB card out, we'll all be sad.
Damn technology.
I got an 8GB Sandisk for Christmas and it came with a SanDisk card reader. Looks like a little USB jump drive and you just slide the MicroSD in it.
I had to use it to format the old 2GB MicroSD I was using as when my daughter tried to put it into here Blackberry Curve the Blackberry objected profusely. LOL
Funny thing is all I did was throw the USB adapter in a Vista box and it recommended fat32. I wonder what format was on it when it was in my Tilt?
If it was Fat32 why the hell did it need formating?