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Will XDA Exec work with tmobile web n walk? tmobile say it wont..

Hi All,
I've just been on to tmobile about getting one of there unlimited internet access jobbies for £15/m.. all sounded great then I mentioned it was an o2 xda handset I was planning on using and they informed me that it wouldn't work.. I said well I'm sure I could just flash the mda rom onto it and it would run and they replied with "Voice and texts will work fine but the internet access will definately not work on a htc handset that that originated from o2" Then she said something about the internet settings are not compatible between the two phones..
Surely this is incorrect??
If anyone can shed any light on this please do! (or if you know of any better deals!)

mate it will work if you enable the tmob rom but i doubt it can work as a 02 for texts and calls & as tmob for web,
maybe your answer is flash rom and twin sim holder so you can flip between the two

as long as the Exec is (sim) unlocked, no problem. In fact, I'm using exactly that setup, with the current O2 ROM. You just need to change the GPRS/UMTS settings to
Access Point: general.t-mobile.uk
and iirc, username, password and domain all blank. If you have any problems, PM me or post here.

jaceuk said:
mate it will work if you enable the tmob rom but i doubt it can work as a 02 for texts and calls & as tmob for web,
maybe your answer is flash rom and twin sim holder so you can flip between the two
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Thanks for the reply! I think you misunderstood, I don't want o2 on my exec atall .. I just want tmobile with the tmobile web n walk.. they are trying to tell me that I cant which I find hard to believe because at the end of the day its a jasjar the same as the badged up tmobile version.. know what I mean?

xiasma said:
as long as the Exec is (sim) unlocked, no problem. In fact, I'm using exactly that setup, with the current O2 ROM. You just need to change the GPRS/UMTS settings to
Access Point: general.t-mobile.uk
and iirc, username, password and domain all blank. If you have any problems, PM me or post here.
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Hi there, thats just the confirmation I was looking for
I've not unlocked my exec because I was under the impression that o2's badged up jasjar arn't locked to begin with where as tmobiles mda's are.. I will take you up on the pm'ing when my sim card arrives if thats ok! I'm gunna order it now

vbJoe said:
Hi there, thats just the confirmation I was looking for
I've not unlocked my exec because I was under the impression that o2's badged up jasjar arn't locked to begin with where as tmobiles mda's are.. I will take you up on the pm'ing when my sim card arrives if thats ok! I'm gunna order it now
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My Uni is o2 Exec too, now with T-Mob sim and working on Web'n'Walk fine.
I belive that if your o2 Exec was baught from o2 on line then it arrived unlocked (as mine did); if bought from high street o2, it came sim locked.
Mav

I've had three online (all o2 online business shop), all unlocked. Also, the early high street-bought units were, iirc, unlocked too.

Hmm .. Uh Oh.. Is there anyway to check? I don't have another sim card I can try in it.. Mine was high street bought but it was one of the early ones (or so I believe.. Jan 2006).

Ignore that last post, just done some searching and spotted the unlock tool created by buzz and the team.. great work guys

Is T-Mobile really offering unlimited internet for the total sum of £15 per month? I've had a look on their website and I can't find this offer! Could someone post the link for this offer, sounds too good to be true!
I'm also quite sure I could have been totally oblivious to this offer, so apologies for asking a very obvious question!

Hi there! this offer isn't on there site. I called them and asked what they could do for me ..
sim card only
monthly contract rather than yearly (only tied to 1month each time)
unlimited data (fair use of 3gb/month)
50mins anytime
not bad eh!

davidfeltham said:
Is T-Mobile really offering unlimited internet for the total sum of £15 per month? I've had a look on their website and I can't find this offer! Could someone post the link for this offer, sounds too good to be true!
I'm also quite sure I could have been totally oblivious to this offer, so apologies for asking a very obvious question!
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I have an o2 xda exec which I bought on Ebay slightly second hand and I am using it on tmobile with a prepay tarrif. All I needed to do was put in the correct settings which I got from here
http://www.manuals.t-mobile.co.uk/start.asp?manual=1217
Just go to the GPRS 3g topic in the 'choose subject box' and they take you through it step by step.
On the prepay tarrif, I get charged a pound for any day when I connect, but there is supposedly no limit during that day. It works great, but maybe I'd be better off at a £15 month tarrif if that's available.
By the way, can I just let people know of this link to google search which reformats all pages for the PDA. It makes a very useful portal:
www.google.com/xhtml
If you don't want to search, but want the pages reformatted for your pda try this one which also works pretty well.
www.google.com/gwt/n?q=
The above url will present you with a box to enter the url you want to visit. After that, all pages will be formatted without frames and made suitable for your screen.

vbJoe said:
Hi there! this offer isn't on there site. I called them and asked what they could do for me ..
sim card only
monthly contract rather than yearly (only tied to 1month each time)
unlimited data (fair use of 3gb/month)
50mins anytime
not bad eh!
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Thanks for your reply! Sounds like a great deal! What number did you ring, and any special tricks for getting them to offer you that deal?
Cheers,

No tricks to get it matey just call them on the number on the website. Cant remember what the number is now and the paper I wrote it on is on my desk in the office. Just ask for the following:
Sim Only, Web and walk unlimited internet tarrif thingy. Make sure they dont try and tie you to a 12 month contract as this is a sim only deal with NO PHONE and thats why its so cheap. Best thing about the deal is that its month to month.. so if you decide you don't want it anymore or they change the terms and conditions you can cancel with no 12 month contract to pay off

evilv said:
I have an o2 xda exec which I bought on Ebay slightly second hand and I am using it on tmobile with a prepay tarrif. All I needed to do was put in the correct settings which I got from here
http://www.manuals.t-mobile.co.uk/start.asp?manual=1217
Just go to the GPRS 3g topic in the 'choose subject box' and they take you through it step by step.
On the prepay tarrif, I get charged a pound for any day when I connect, but there is supposedly no limit during that day. It works great, but maybe I'd be better off at a £15 month tarrif if that's available.
By the way, can I just let people know of this link to google search which reformats all pages for the PDA. It makes a very useful portal:
www.google.com/xhtml
If you don't want to search, but want the pages reformatted for your pda try this one which also works pretty well.
www.google.com/gwt/n?q=
The above url will present you with a box to enter the url you want to visit. After that, all pages will be formatted without frames and made suitable for your screen.
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Cheers for the info evilv! that will come in handy.. especially the google web reform jobby!

Just to add to this lot, I tried a T Mobile PAYG sim in my O2 XDA-Exec and it works fine connecting to the net with full UMTS speed, max cost per day is £1 capped according to the chaps card we were messing with.
I have also used a contract T Mobile card in the device and simply works - No Sim Lock on the O2 XDA-Exec, so no messing around put the card in, configure the access names etc and away you go - Mike

Cheers mike, can't to get the tmobile simcard now!.. I'll actually have a use for my universal atlast!

o2 beats even that: unlimited data £10/month bolt on for pay monthly
not sure of the fair use limit. see my reply in thread 'best internet plan' or something like that for more details

r3bel said:
o2 beats even that: unlimited data £10/month bolt on for pay monthly
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That's new!
Only thing is, it'd be more expensive than WnW.
I'm on the £15 a month tariff too - it's actually £7.50 a month, minimum term of a month (not a year!) for 50 minutes each month, with the £7.50 unlimited data WnW add-on.
I use my data all the time and have never been pulled - Push Email, constant RSS feed updating, decent amount of pics on downloads, radio streaming, msn messenging, no limits for me.

you just need to request the sim only 30 day contract (can cancel anytime just give 30 day notice) which is £7.50 a month, then simply ass web n walk £7.50 a month, job done! completley normal tarriff no scams or deals

UK Price reduction

T-Mo UK now has the G1 free on a £30/m 18m contract. You get an 8GB memory card and WnW Plus (which gives you access to Wifi hotspots as well as "unlimited" 3G).
Quite tempted, but read so many so-so reviews of the hardware.

I just got mine on an upgrade. But i only got a 2gb card. No biggy. IMO the phone is great.
Its got a 528mhz processor
192mb ram
256mb rom
3mp camera
Bluetooth
wifi
gps
compas
accelerometer
Comes with a wired headset (usb connection, u can get a usb to 3.5mm adapter if you want to use a better headphones)
Battery life is ok. If your a heavy user of internet its going to drain the battery quick. Ive been charging twice a day when i use it alot. You can get a higher capacity battery aswell. Though its possible theres still a few bugs thats causing battery loss.
Dont have everything on all the time.
Its permenantly connected to the internet. Browsing speed is respectable and the browser is nice.
The hardware is great. We just need software to go with it. At the moment it only supports bluetooth headset. But that will change with new updates.
No virtual keyboard, but again thats coming aswell.
Gmail is great on it.
Text messaging works, though mms doesnt support videos and i dont think you can save to SD yet.
Theres still alot of support to add yet. pdf word etc
If your willing to put up with some missing features then its a great phone.
When you get it, its probably be on rc7. Youll get a notification of a new update. If you want to keep root access dont install it. rc8 update fixes the root access and isnt reversible at the moment.
If you no what your doing with linux terminal commands, id install the modified rc8 update that keeps root access, its explained in the development thread.

patp said:
T-Mo UK now has the G1 free on a £30/m 18m contract. You get an 8GB memory card and WnW Plus (which gives you access to Wifi hotspots as well as "unlimited" 3G).
Quite tempted, but read so many so-so reviews of the hardware.
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Do you know what minutes and messages you get on that?
I'm on the £40 one which allows you to spend £250 a month but i'll probably never use that so going down a level might be good for me...

Audiofreq said:
Do you know what minutes and messages you get on that?
I'm on the £40 one which allows you to spend £250 a month but i'll probably never use that so going down a level might be good for me...
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from what I've been told, you can't go down the price plan till you come to upgrade so you're stuck on what you've got unfortunatly.
the £30/month is either ther combi 25 + web'n'walk plus(£25/month + £5 for the web'n'walk. 300mins, 600texts) or the flext 30 + free web'n'walk plus(£30/month, £140 to spend a month). I tempted to get the flext 30 but also got my eye on the touch hd so not fully decided yet.

Ive just picked up the £30 a month combi plan from carphone warehouse. Got a 2gb memory card with it, not fussed about that. Really pleased with the phone so far, shame I was so hasty about upgrading. No root access for now .

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patp said:
T-Mo UK now has the G1 free on a £30/m 18m contract. You get an 8GB memory card and WnW Plus (which gives you access to Wifi hotspots as well as "unlimited" 3G).
Quite tempted, but read so many so-so reviews of the hardware.
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Hi there mate, on the wnw plus for the G1 you dont get unlimited hotspot
access because it's a promotional feature. You do get it usually but not with this Only know this because I work for T-Mobile

that sucks. do you think they coukd be persuaded to give in on that?

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saffyreuk said:
that sucks. do you think they coukd be persuaded to give in on that?
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No mate because of the way it would have to be set up on the account the features arent compatible
Its only a tenner for unlimited hotspot access which you can use on BTOZ's too.

10 a month? or a one off payment? i doubt i would use it very often and i have 3g. cant say it would be worth 10 a month but it would be nice on occasion.

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saffyreuk said:
10 a month? or a one off payment? i doubt i would use it very often and i have 3g. cant say it would be worth 10 a month but it would be nice on occasion.
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Yeah 10 a month, would be good if you were in starbucks a lot

yeah exactly. with the speed of 3g now i guess the main benefit would be saving on usage allowence.
still shame its not included, kind of annoying as i had assumed it had (my fault obv).

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saffyreuk said:
yeah exactly. with the speed of 3g now i guess the main benefit would be saving on usage allowence.
still shame its not included, kind of annoying as i had assumed it had (my fault obv).
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Dont worry about your data becoz if your in the UK (which i assume u are) then you dont have a data allowance, you have whats called a Fair use policy (or FUP) basiclly this means that you will never be charged for data with the WnW Plus feature, the only thing that may happen is if you go over your 3Gig FUP for 3 months in a row you will get a letter sent to u asking to reduce your usage and if you still go over it your speeds will be reduced to 64kbps for 2-4 weeks.
If you then go over it once more (were now up to 6/7 months in a row!!) it will be permanently reduced to 64 kbps or you can upgrade to the max version (about 20 quid per month extra) which gives a 10Gig FUP.
All i'm really saying is dont worry about it !! Surf away. (Untill you recieve a letter )

It actually isn't £30pm. Its £35pm. that's because the WnW if £5pm extra and you NEED it as the phone is an internet phone. Mines on that deal for 700 mins and unlimited txts, unlimited browsing.

Rmg12gra said:
It actually isn't £30pm. Its £35pm. that's because the WnW if £5pm extra and you NEED it as the phone is an internet phone. Mines on that deal for 700 mins and unlimited txts, unlimited browsing.
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the £30/month plans are the combi 25(£25/month + 5 for the w'n'p plus, 300mins, 600text(300texts if bought in store)) & the flext 30(£30/month + free w'n'w plus, £140 allowance to spend on mins, texts etc).
chris are you sure you can't use the t-mobile hotspots for free? the guy at my local store told me that you could(using the wifi on the g1, obv not on a laptop, ipod touch or other wifi capable device).

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fowler002 said:
the £30/month plans are the combi 25(£25/month + 5 for the w'n'p plus, 300mins, 600text(300texts if bought in store)) & the flext 30(£30/month + free w'n'w plus, £140 allowance to spend on mins, texts etc).
chris are you sure you can't use the t-mobile hotspots for free? the guy at my local store told me that you could(using the wifi on the g1, obv not on a laptop, ipod touch or other wifi capable device).
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Yeah am sure, even if you did get it there is no way they can tell if your using a g1 or a pc while using the hotspot. Go back to ur shop and tell the guy to check his facts !

ChrisMcCann said:
Yeah am sure, even if you did get it there is no way they can tell if your using a g1 or a pc while using the hotspot. Go back to ur shop and tell the guy to check his facts !
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I don't have a g1 yet(not fully decided yet, also looking at the touch hd), but wanted to check if the t-mobiles hotspots are included with the g1 plan.
looking on the forums on t-mobile.com(usa site)link if you download this hotspot app you can connect to the hotspot(tho reading that thread it seemed hit & miss, i.e. some people were able to others not able to), just wondered if there was a similar thing for the uk. I don't really travel much so its not really a big deal for me(don't think I'll be using up the 3gb fup anyway) but would have been nice to have.
if I was to put the sim into another non-g1 phone(be it t-mobile or sim-free), what is the fup on the internet in that case(1gb or still 3gb)? also will there be any problems making calls, texting etc? I currently don't have a job but if I was to start I might be putting the sim into another phone as I wouldn't want to loose the g1(places like sainsburys, toys r us don't like you to keep your phone on you during work and want you to leave it in the staff room).

fowler002 said:
I don't have a g1 yet(not fully decided yet, also looking at the touch hd), but wanted to check if the t-mobiles hotspots are included with the g1 plan.
looking on the forums on t-mobile.com(usa site)link if you download this hotspot app you can connect to the hotspot(tho reading that thread it seemed hit & miss, i.e. some people were able to others not able to), just wondered if there was a similar thing for the uk. I don't really travel much so its not really a big deal for me(don't think I'll be using up the 3gb fup anyway) but would have been nice to have.
if I was to put the sim into another non-g1 phone(be it t-mobile or sim-free), what is the fup on the internet in that case(1gb or still 3gb)? also will there be any problems making calls, texting etc? I currently don't have a job but if I was to start I might be putting the sim into another phone as I wouldn't want to loose the g1(places like sainsburys, toys r us don't like you to keep your phone on you during work and want you to leave it in the staff room).
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No T-Mob UK doesnt have anything like that mate
But you can use the sim in another fone and use the web free of charge as its your sim that has the feature on it - not specific to the fone

Well they don't make it very easy to find out what the difference is between web'n'walk, web'n'walk Plus and web'n'walk MAX, but on the info about hotspots it says:
WiFi HotSpot included in Mobile Broadband Plans
New customers that sign up to web'n'walk Max, Plus, or Plus Daily* can now enjoy WiFi access in any of our HotSpots across the UK. So on top of 3G coverage across the country, unlimited WiFi Hotspots are included in the price - in places where you need WiFi the most, such as airports, hotels and Starbucks.​
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/mobile-internet/on-your-laptop/free-wifi/
This was what I'd always understood about the Plus option- that it sanctions tethering and let's you use hotspots.

My current contract ends next month, and since it doesn't look like the UK is getting the Vario IV, I might just go for one of these.
And the T-Mobile 3G coverage is tremendous where I live, on my Vario II whenever I connect for data I get a nice little H symbol and a fast download speed, strangely, the coverage in Newcastle (upon Tyne, the real Newcastle!) the connection can be a bit hit and miss

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patp said:
Well they don't make it very easy to find out what the difference is between web'n'walk, web'n'walk Plus and web'n'walk MAX, but on the info about hotspots it says:
WiFi HotSpot included in Mobile Broadband Plans
New customers that sign up to web'n'walk Max, Plus, or Plus Daily* can now enjoy WiFi access in any of our HotSpots across the UK. So on top of 3G coverage across the country, unlimited WiFi Hotspots are included in the price - in places where you need WiFi the most, such as airports, hotels and Starbucks.​
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/mobile-internet/on-your-laptop/free-wifi/
This was what I'd always understood about the Plus option- that it sanctions tethering and let's you use hotspots.
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The standard plus option doesn't but because your getting the g1 plus option for a fiver (or free on flext) it isn't included as it is a promo !

What UK network works best for the Touch HD?

Sorry if this has already been discussed, tried searching but couldn't find the answer I was looking for! Basically, I shall be purchasing this within 24 hours. My friend showed me this phone at the weekend and i was blown away!
Ok been searching and found some good deals for all networks, but what have you guys got and does it effect the phone in anyway? Any networks better that others in regards to the general running of the phone?
I am currently with Voda, and have found http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk are selling it on voda along with a T mobile contract.
Also Orange and O2 on another site. But have bad history with both in regards to signal/customer service etc.
The frustrating thing is why are O2 and Vodafone not selling direct from their website?? Instead need to go though a third party?

That's not a frustrating thing for me...I don't want Vodafone branding over my nice new Touch HD thanks....I got mine from mobilephonesdirect on a Voda contract and they were first class.

Thats true. Ill probably order that tomorrow. Quick stupid question......... im getting one with unlimeted mobile web but then under it, it states web browsing £1 per 15MGB per day? im confused!

Neo187 said:
Thats true. Ill probably order that tomorrow. Quick stupid question......... im getting one with unlimeted mobile web but then under it, it states web browsing £1 per 15MGB per day? im confused!
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www.buymobilephones.net
They have some very good offers - Orange do unlimited (500mb fair usage) data for 5 pounds a month I am quite a heavy data user yet always been okay with the amount.
You can get a free web-book, lcd tv, ps3 or xbox 360 or cashback... and the tariffs are very good.
I have used them time and time again excellent service etc.

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That's because Orange have an exclusive distribution deal with HTC in the UK.
So the only way to get it on any network but Orange is through a third party supplier.
Personally I'd say T-Mobile are your best bet.
Their Combi 30 tariff is excellent value (700 mins & unlimited texts) and you can add on their unlimited (1GB fair use policy) W'n'W package for an extra £5.
When I took the phone on that package, it was through eXpansys and I had to pay towards it but the site you've linked to in the first post is offering it on the same package for free, so I wouldn't hesitate if I were you.

I got mine from mobiles.co.uk, network O2, 600 mins, 500 texts, Unlimited texts bolt on for 30 pounds per month, with £75 auto-cash-back. Right after the phone arrived, changed the bolt-on (by requesting O2) to Unlimited data, so ended up with 600 mins, 500 texts, unlimited data for £30 per month. I think its a good deal with an unbranded Touch HD. There's a great thread about buying from mobiles.co.uk. Check it out
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443462

o2
I was on voda for years and never had a single problem with connectivity, customer service was always good and I could get through to them when i called every time. I wanted this phone and as i was an early adopter i had to go voda, mistake... where i have not really had any connectivity issues there is a problem with my bill and i havent been able to get through to them in 2 weeks, every time i call i am left waiting 30 mins and then some idiot picks me up and cuts me off and i go back to the beginning again, sometimes i just get bored of waiting and try again later. i have tried about 15 times.

pings to google.com from t-mobile are over a second, thats pretty bad in the modern world.

HD2 on Vodafone v T-Mobile & Fair Usage Policy

It seems ridiculous to sell a device that does all these things online, when the network won't even allow it. I'm talking about the 500mb fair usage policy (FUP) Vodafone place on their 'unlimited' mobile internet, when T-Mobile seems to allow you a 3GB limit.
But stop the press! I just got off the phone with Vodafone today and was told that they are in talks to INCREASE their FUP limit by Christmas! (in time for their take on the beloved iPhone). Does any one have any more information on this!? Because the FUP is the ONLY thing stopping me from getting the HD2 out from Vodafone now and not wait for T-Mobile!
Also, does anyone have any experience with Vodafone/T-Mobile voice and data coverage in the UK? That would be a big factor too in deciding which network provider to sign with.

I use TMobile in the Midlands and have no problem with voice and data reception, still waiting for my HD2 to arrive so cant comment if the reception is any better or worse than my Kaiser

serk1284 said:
It seems ridiculous to sell a device that does all these things online, when the network won't even allow it. I'm talking about the 500mb fair usage policy (FUP) Vodafone place on their 'unlimited' mobile internet, when T-Mobile seems to allow you a 3GB limit.
But stop the press! I just got off the phone with Vodafone today and was told that they are in talks to INCREASE their FUP limit by Christmas! (in time for their take on the beloved iPhone). Does any one have any more information on this!? Because the FUP is the ONLY thing stopping me from getting the HD2 out from Vodafone now and not wait for T-Mobile!
Also, does anyone have any experience with Vodafone/T-Mobile voice and data coverage in the UK? That would be a big factor too in deciding which network provider to sign with.
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The 500Mb FUP is the reason I left Orange when I had an Omnia HD. Stupid limit.
T-Mobile are excellent - even though they didnt work out for me - heres why:
I went in to get a HTC Hero - did the Street Check online - had excellent coverage and good 3G coverage. Got a great contract and the staff were very good. Got home - which is in a little town called leek (just outside Stoke) and had no 3g coverage at all. Left it a few days just in case it sprung to life then rang customer services. The very nice lady told me they have two versions of the coverage checker - one for customers and one for their Techies - the Techie one showed zero 3G coverage even though the online street check showed good coverage.
The T-mobile guys were great and I returned the phone no fuss - but be wary of the street checker - ring them to double check. There network seemed excellent and they will soon be merged with Orange who have a significant 3G network. If I had coverage I would defo go with T-mobile...

serk1284 said:
I'm talking about the 500mb fair usage policy (FUP) Vodafone place on their 'unlimited' mobile internet, when T-Mobile seems to allow you a 3GB limit.
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T-Mobile nearly always has a one gigabyte limit. They make an exception for one or two Android-based phones, such as the Hero, which have a lot of constantly updating widgets - for those phones only, if you buy the phone from T-Mobile, you will get a 3GB limit. As far as I'm aware the limit on an HD2 will be 1GB - but it might be worth checking this with T-Mobile customer services.
T-Mobile also block some ports on their standard internet service so you can't use MSN Messenger on it, or access certain websites at all (e.g. iPlayer).

I just went with Vodafone as the T-Mobile signal is poor where I live. Almost went with O2 as there have the same Fair Usage Policy as T-Mobile but the Vodafone have a pay as you go option which is a max of 50p per day with a limit of 25 Meg. As I would not use my Phone for internet all that much it is the best option for me. As I don’t need to pay an extra £7.50 a month but can us it when ever I want and not pay through the noise for it.

For myself, the benefits of Vodafone, outweigh the downside of having only 500MB of data. I've never gone over my data for the month, and find it quite hard usually, to go over 15MB a day (roughly what 500MB is over the month). I use SPB Wireless Monitor to keep track of it.
It is nice to hear that Vodafone might be increasing this limit tho.

Shasarak said:
T-Mobile nearly always has a one gigabyte limit. They make an exception for one or two Android-based phones, such as the Hero, which have a lot of constantly updating widgets - for those phones only, if you buy the phone from T-Mobile, you will get a 3GB limit. As far as I'm aware the limit on an HD2 will be 1GB - but it might be worth checking this with T-Mobile customer services.
T-Mobile also block some ports on their standard internet service so you can't use MSN Messenger on it, or access certain websites at all (e.g. iPlayer).
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lol. T-Mobile have 3 versions of internet for mobiles. Basic Web and Walk with 1Gb fair use policy and blocked ports. Web & Walk plus with 3Gb fair use and open for MSN etc and Laptop Tethering, and Web & Walk Max which has a 10Gb fair use policy and is open for everything including Skype and other VOIP calling. The difference in price between basic and Plus is about £3 -£5. All of these packages are available to all phones.

Shasarak said:
T-Mobile nearly always has a one gigabyte limit. They make an exception for one or two Android-based phones, such as the Hero, which have a lot of constantly updating widgets - for those phones only, if you buy the phone from T-Mobile, you will get a 3GB limit. As far as I'm aware the limit on an HD2 will be 1GB - but it might be worth checking this with T-Mobile customer services.
T-Mobile also block some ports on their standard internet service so you can't use MSN Messenger on it, or access certain websites at all (e.g. iPlayer).
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I have standard TMobile web and walk and can use MSN Messenger with no problems

Gajet said:
lol. T-Mobile have 3 versions of internet for mobiles. Basic Web and Walk with 1Gb fair use policy and blocked ports. Web & Walk plus with 3Gb fair use and open for MSN etc and Laptop Tethering, and Web & Walk Max which has a 10Gb fair use policy and is open for everything including Skype and other VOIP calling. The difference in price between basic and Plus is about £3 -£5. All of these packages are available to all phones.
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All of these may be available, but the point is that you have to pay extra for them. By contrast, other providers don't block ports in their standard Internet packages.

Shasarak said:
All of these may be available, but the point is that you have to pay extra for them. By contrast, other providers don't block ports in their standard Internet packages.
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Depends how you view it. I would argue that their standard is web & walk plus, that allows you to tether, which O2 for instance would charge you an extra £15 on top of your data bundle to do. However T-mobile also offer a budget basic package for people who just want the football results on saturdays.

Gajet said:
Depends how you view it. I would argue that their standard is web & walk plus, that allows you to tether, which O2 for instance would charge you an extra £15 on top of your data bundle to do. However T-mobile also offer a budget basic package for people who just want the football results on saturdays.
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My point is that if you pay the advertised price for a T-Mobile phone you will not get Web'n'Walk Plus (unless it's a G1 or a G2, which are special cases). You get the Plus version if you pay £5 more per month than the advertised price. If the purpose that you want to use the connection for requires one of the ports that is blocked on the standard service, you need to be aware of this.
The discussion started because someone suggested that a 3GB limit is standard on T-Mobile, and it isn't - it's only standard if you buy a G1 or a G2. Otherwise it costs extra. You could reasonably argue that T-Mobile's upgraded package is better than other carriers' upgraded packages, but we need to make sure that people who decide to buy (say) an HD2 from T-Mobile aren't expecting to get the "Plus" package without playing extra for it.
I think there are also heavier restrictions on Web'n'Walk Plus than there are on a standard "Mobile Broadband" package. If you get a 3GB per month package from O2 you can do pretty much what you like with it up to the the 3GB limit. But (under the terms of your contract) you're not allowed to download audio or video over a Web'n'Walk Plus connection, or make Skype calls. (You need to upgrade to the Max version for that).

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I think there are also heavier restrictions on Web'n'Walk Plus than there are on a standard "Mobile Broadband" package. If you get a 3GB per month package from O2 you can do pretty much what you like with it up to the the 3GB limit. But (under the terms of your contract) you're not allowed to download audio or video over a Web'n'Walk Plus connection, or make Skype calls. (You need to upgrade to the Max version for that).
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With O2 you can't tether to your laptop
T-Mobile said:
How does Mobile Broadband Plus work?
As well as basic browsing and emailing, you'll be able to take full advantage of what the web has to offer, which means you can:
Send instant messages - chat with your friends in real-time
Stream video - watch clips on YouTube
Update your blog - write when inspiration strikes
Download - save and view music, image and movie files
How does Mobile Broadband Max work?
It's exactly the same as web'n'walk Plus except you can use voice over the internet (VoIP) software, such as Skype and Jajah.com, which allows you to make phone calls and instant message with people all over the world.
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Also with T-mobile you build your own package, so not sure what is advertised The final cost of the total bill determines the handset price. Which is why I've always had W&W Plus and never paid more than a standard £35 pm contract.

Gajet said:
so not sure what is advertised
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Then allow me to enlighten you. If you go, for example here:
http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/Brands/HTC/b509/n447/p27241.aspx#tabsAnchor
you will see an HD2 for sale on contract with T-Mobile. It costs £35 a month, 18-month contract, phone is free, it gives you 700 minutes, "unlimited texts", and "unlimited mobile web". Do you imagine that this deal will give you Web'n'Walk Plus? Obviously, it won't. If you see a T-Mobile deal advertised as "unlimited internet" or "unlimited web", then what that means is that if you pay the amount of money mentioned in the advert, you will get the basic Web'n'Walk package. If you want the "Plus" package then you will have to pay another £5 per month over and above the cost of "unlimited web" to get it.
T-Mobile's own advertising is similar: if you want Web'n'Walk Plus you have to pay £5 a month more than you have to pay for the same phone with the standard Internet package.
Now seriously, this discussion is getting boring, so let's leave it at that.

Never had a problem with T-Mo, even the 2 months I went over 1GB (only by a hundred MB or so). Didn't even hear from them. On the other hand the only horror stories I've read with people getting enormous over-data charges (both local and roaming) have ALL been with Vodafone.
Data was slow at times a year ago but seems ok now. I also get far better reception at home & work on T-Mo with poor/no reception last time I was on Voda, but that's obviously a local issue and will vary, but it was a deciding factor for me..
Likewise despite the T&Cs saying messenger isn't allowed on the baic service, I've always been able to get on no problem.

recently tmobile had a promotional offer which ended in febuary pay and go £10 top up unlimited txt n web.i got the sim because i use it as modem on my shift i can access many sites the only problem i have is msn i dont know if w7 is causing the issue of signing in or tmobile.but when i use the sim on my hd2 msn works fine as long as i untick proxy.i discoverd if the proxy is ticked the auto update of email dosent work or msn so i unticked it.i have used the tmobile sim from streaming to large file downloads they havnt complained although they do have a slower connection then o2.i stopped using o2 they started complaining then they barded me.
i used tmobile sim as modem for few months i think i used more then 3gb

If you go over your plan limit then T-mobile will throttle your usage between 16.00 and 00.00 (midnight) by restricting your access to gprs speed for certain connections (streaming of video is barred etc).
Other than that it's business as usual.

Slow Data Speeds? T-Mobile Contracts via 3rd Party Reseller

Not really Nexus S related but just wanted to make people aware when buying mobiles via a 3rd party reseller such as Phones4U etc.
Internet Speed
I found syncing emails, browsing and youtube to be painfully slow so decided to run a few speed tests. My download speed was being capped at 360-380kbps!
Decided to do some research and found that...
T-Mobile only allow 3rd party resellers to include the internet as an added booster which limits you to 3G only and no HSPDA ... hence the crap speeds!
I've had to call up and pay a further £5 a month to have the 'Internet Plus' booster added which increases my usage to 3GB and speeds up to HSPDA. This is included as standard if you buy any Android handset direct from T-Mobile.
Results are..
Before:
Test 1 = 35kbps Download & 24kbps Upload
Test 2 = 329kbps Download & 97kbps Upload
Test 3 = 317kbps Download & 57kbps Upload
After (1min after calling customer services):
Test 1 = 1175kbps Download & 475kbps Upload
Test 2 = 1726kbps Download & 446kbps Upload
I'm not a heavy data user but even I noticed how slow it was, the difference is shocking.
I tried to play dumb and get them to upgrade for free as i know a few people have had sucess with this but it appears all the technical support team are now clued up. They knew that i didn't purchase the phone direct.
Just a heads up

So you're saying that when you sign up for a T-Mo contract through Phones4U or possibly CPW they'll put a speed capped data plan on your contract?!
That's definitely something to watch out for in future, I bet it's hidden deep in their T&C where an average punter wouldn't find it or understand the implications.

Yep.
For example my plan is £25 500 texts 600mins.
Purchased direct from T-Mobile
500 texts
600 mins
Tmobiles Internet Plus (3GB Internet Package allowing HSPDA speeds)
Purchased via Phones4u
500 texts
600 mins
Tmobiles Internet Booster (1GB Internet Package only allowing up to 3G speeds)
That's why Phones4u can offer such a good deal .... sneaky tbh!

Reply from Phones4u...
http://support.phones4u.co.uk/pe/action/forums/displaythread?rootPostID=10127815&channelID=1&portalPageId=1002
Hi thoms04,
As this is one of the network's policies, it is not something that our advisors may have been aware of however I will certainly feed this information back throughout of business in order to ensure that this is known.
T-Mobile are certainly leading the way by offering their customers a 1Gb internet allowance as standard as most networks will only offer 500Mb, I am aware that T-Mobile however are changing this from the 1st February 2011 and will be lowering their 1Gb limit to 500 Mb for new customers (contract & upgrade).
This wont affect yourself however it may explain why they prefer to restrict the speeds available on their internet, we aren't legally required to make you aware of any of the network policies but we can make sure that we're aware if asked in future.
We're glad to hear that you have managed to obtain the speeds that you want however and thank you for providing this information so that we can make our teams aware.

I did this for free the other day, it might depend who you get I spoke to some American woman, just asked for the uncapped speed as I have an android handset and she added upgraded my unlimited data to Web & Walk Plus for free. I have been with t-mob for over a year though with a crappy nokia till I just got a nexus-s. original phone+contract was bought via third party, I'd give them a call and try again until you get someone who will do it for nothing

blueghostuk said:
I did this for free the other day, it might depend who you get I spoke to some American woman, just asked for the uncapped speed as I have an android handset and she added upgraded my unlimited data to Web & Walk Plus for free. I have been with t-mob for over a year though with a crappy nokia till I just got a nexus-s. original phone+contract was bought via third party, I'd give them a call and try again until you get someone who will do it for nothing
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I tried with 4 different people, you must have got a nice customer service rep! I know a few others had it upgraded for free also.
It used to be that you could pretend you purchased the phone direct from T-Mobile and they would just assume it was missed off and add it. However when i tried this they knew straight away that my handset was purchased via a 3rd Party.
They have also updated their T & C's recently stating that the handset needs to be purchased direct for it to qualify.
I'm not really that bothered as i have what i want, just wanted to make people aware so they don't get caught out.

thoms04 said:
I tried with 4 different people, you must have got a nice customer service rep! I know a few others had it upgraded for free also.
It used to be that you could pretend you purchased the phone direct from T-Mobile and they would just assume it was missed off and add it. However when i tried this they knew straight away that my handset was purchased via a 3rd Party.
They have also updated their T & C's recently stating that the handset needs to be purchased direct for it to qualify.
I'm not really that bothered as i have what i want, just wanted to make people aware so they don't get caught out.
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i negoiated my upgrade with T-Mo via their loyalties team. Once I did that I got my rate and specified I am using an Android smartphone I was put the smartphone FPU
What Phones4u sold you is the default tariff.
I had to get my phone from CPW I payed and extra 20 quid for the handset and CPW did not modify my plan.

dragon546 said:
i negoiated my upgrade with T-Mo via their loyalties team. Once I did that I got my rate and specified I am using an Android smartphone I was put the smartphone FPU
What Phones4u sold you is the default tariff.
I had to get my phone from CPW I payed and extra 20 quid for the handset and CPW did not modify my plan.
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I know that lol.
T-Mobile recently changed their T&C's so that it states that you must purchase the handset/contract direct from them.
Before they only stated that you needed to be using an Android handset on the T-Mobile network.

I read this on the way home just after buying my nexus s from carphone warehouse.
I rang T-Mobile and was told that to get decent data speed you need to have a bolt on called web and walk plus. I managed to get them to swap me over for free but still its bad pratice that they don't tell you about it up front.
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