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Where would I go about diagnosing connection issues? MDA+TMO

Not to give away too much specific information, but I've got a new TMO MDA and the building I am in actually has TMO repeaters. Other TMO phones get perfect reception, and I can even put this new sim into my old unlocked HTC Typhoon and get perfect reception, yet my new TMO MDA won't get any signal.
I'm attempting to scour the registry to find some bit of info or a bit to flip or something of that sort to diagnose the issue. Our TMO rep apparently has RF engineers working on the issue, but if I can fix it sooner than they can I'd be happy.
So, basically, only these new MDAs (other new MDA owners are experiencing the same issue, as well as SDA owners) fail to authenticate to the repeaters in this building. I doubt the repeaters have a list of phones that allow authentication, since the Typhoon was never released by TMO and that can authenticate fine. So I'm thinking there is some bit on the MDAs that is sticking to one band frequency or another, or something to that effect.
Any idea where I could look for info, whether it be a web source or maybe a registry key I could tweak or something of the sort? I got the engineer mode to work (after another registry tweak to turn it on), and it isn't showing any information since the phone isn't connecting to any tower/repeater.

when you go to select networks to use, does the phone give you a list of possible cell networks?

Sorry if i sound obvious....but:
1. Have you compared the Roms on the phones? Maybe the new phone has a different rom which is causing the problem.
2. Have you tried the phone anywhere else outside your building...
3. The engineering mode will still work even without a SIM installed, so if your getting blank information then I think you have an old Rom
Hope this helps

Answers to questions in the thread:
1. If I go to select my networks manually, and it searches for networks, all it finds is the Cingular network, which I can not connect to. It won't find the TMO network at all. But I know it exists because other TMO phones work fine with full reception, and even my old Typhoon works with my new TMO sim in it.
2. The roms on all the MDAs shipped from TMO USA 1.8.10.2 and GSM rom 01.09.10.
3. Phone works entirely fine outside of the building. The building is shielded, but there are repeaters in the building for current TMO users. I know they work since other TMO phones other than the new MDA and SDAs work fine.
4. As for engineering mode... interestingly enough, now that I do have reception (I'm at home right now), I also get blanks. I thought that because I didn't get any reception, I wasn't getting anything from the engineering mode. But interestingly enough, I still don't even though I have reception.
Methinks I do need just the GSM rom. Someone mentioned it in another thread in the Wizard Upgrade forum. Where might I get just that ROM, maybe I'll give it a shot and see if it fixes before doing a full ROM upgrade (which I'd like to do for performance reasons, but I haven't gotten a definitive answer whether I can revert back to bone stone TMO roms with extended roms and everything yet).

I woould suggest getting hold of one of the phones that works, back up the registry, and restore it to the phone that doesn't work. That would tell you if its a registry setting, or a phone/rom problem

britman said:
I woould suggest getting hold of one of the phones that works, back up the registry, and restore it to the phone that doesn't work. That would tell you if its a registry setting, or a phone/rom problem
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Well, there are no phones that work.
The phones that do work are your run of the mill non-smartphone phones, not a WM5 phone.
Actually, that's not true since my Typhoon is running Windows Mobile 5, but it is entirely different than the MDA.
Only all the stock MDAs shipped from TMO are failing to authenticate to these repeaters. Makes me think that updated the radio rom would help, or something on the repeaters is blocking just these two phones (the Wizard and the Tornado).

Try updating the wizard with one of these roms:
ftp://xda:[email protected]/Wizard/Roms/Tmobile/

Well, I updated the radio rom to 01.12.10...
And still wont connect to these repeaters. The phone seemed snappier to connect when I stepped outside of the building, though. So there is a plus. However, there has to be some reason the repeaters in this building are not allowing my phone to auth.

Trinity - multiple little problems

Hi,
First of all, I'm new here and I'm sorry if
a) These questions have been answered here 3748 times or
b) I have put this in the wrong forum/in the wrong format. I decided to group my questions together, in order to avoid cluttering the forum.
If a moderator feels I have posted this inappropriately, I'm happy to correct it, (eg. split this post into three).
So, that much for the disclaimer, don't shoot the noob
First question:
So, I bought a (used) trinity, pretty cheaply, and for the most part have been happy with it. Even got the GPS working, with the official update from the HTC website.
So, now that I knew how the rom flashing process went, I tried flashing the Indigo rom I downloaded from the forum. The problem is, I get stuck in the rom upgrade process, when the flashing is actually supposed to start. The PDA asks me to accept running the EnterBootLoader program, I accept, and the phone restarts, then, the system pops up with "connection lost, error 246 if I remember correctly". The phone returns to normal after a soft reset, so no harm done, but no good either. Is there some solution to this problem I am unaware of. Oh, the same happens when I try to flash hardspl too, so either, the current official ROM has some deviousness about it, or it's my computer. that is to blame.
Second question:
Two times now, my trinity's phone has played some tricks on me. First time, it showed an exclamation mark on the phone networking icon, the second time, all seemed normal, except, I couldn't access the phone settings, and when someone called me, to them it seemed I was just not picking up, but on my phone, nothing seemed to be going on. Is this normal, just another windows being windows, or could this be an indication of a hardware problem, or a problem with the dialer?
Third question:
When I first received the phone, it always tried to use GPRS or 3G to connect when I opened IE, even when there was a perfectly good WLAN connection connected. Upon ROM upgrade, all connection settings were lost. Originally, in the connection view, there were 2 or 3 sets of connection settings, now, there is only one.
- Am I supposed to add sets of settings there?
- I don't know where I am to add the 3g and GPRS settings?
- How do I set WLAN proxies, on the one set of settings I can see on connections, I can set a proxy, but it doesn't seem to work: at school, I can only see the internal network, but can't access the Internet.
I would also need to have two sets of proxy settings, one for school, one for home, is this possible?
Then, some spex from the phone, so you don't have to ask:
OS: WM5
ROM version: 1.23.403.2 (Offical, GPS enabled)
Radio version: 1.38.00.11
Protocol version: 32.71.7020.12H
ExtRom version: 1.23.405.103
Phone sold under name: HTC P3600
Finnish retail version.
Oh and on final note, this is an amazing forum, even if I started reading this a week before I got my phone, and have continued to do so ever since, the amount of information on any given subject related to PDAs and mobiles seems endless. I look forward in your insights in this matter.

Easy HTC Operator Configuration
Hi, if you have lost your Operator settings, there is an easy way
to set these settings :
You only need to download the operator configurator at http://www.planete-htc.com/index.php?mod=telechargements
It works well with Orange for me.
thanks to planete-htc
Hope this can help you.
Regards

botia said:
Hi,
First of all, I'm new here and I'm sorry if
a) These questions have been answered here 3748 times or
b) I have put this in the wrong forum/in the wrong format. I decided to group my questions together, in order to avoid cluttering the forum.
If a moderator feels I have posted this inappropriately, I'm happy to correct it, (eg. split this post into three).
So, that much for the disclaimer, don't shoot the noob
First question:
So, I bought a (used) trinity, pretty cheaply, and for the most part have been happy with it. Even got the GPS working, with the official update from the HTC website.
So, now that I knew how the rom flashing process went, I tried flashing the Indigo rom I downloaded from the forum. The problem is, I get stuck in the rom upgrade process, when the flashing is actually supposed to start. The PDA asks me to accept running the EnterBootLoader program, I accept, and the phone restarts, then, the system pops up with "connection lost, error 246 if I remember correctly". The phone returns to normal after a soft reset, so no harm done, but no good either. Is there some solution to this problem I am unaware of. Oh, the same happens when I try to flash hardspl too, so either, the current official ROM has some deviousness about it, or it's my computer. that is to blame.
Second question:
Two times now, my trinity's phone has played some tricks on me. First time, it showed an exclamation mark on the phone networking icon, the second time, all seemed normal, except, I couldn't access the phone settings, and when someone called me, to them it seemed I was just not picking up, but on my phone, nothing seemed to be going on. Is this normal, just another windows being windows, or could this be an indication of a hardware problem, or a problem with the dialer?
Third question:
When I first received the phone, it always tried to use GPRS or 3G to connect when I opened IE, even when there was a perfectly good WLAN connection connected. Upon ROM upgrade, all connection settings were lost. Originally, in the connection view, there were 2 or 3 sets of connection settings, now, there is only one.
- Am I supposed to add sets of settings there?
- I don't know where I am to add the 3g and GPRS settings?
- How do I set WLAN proxies, on the one set of settings I can see on connections, I can set a proxy, but it doesn't seem to work: at school, I can only see the internal network, but can't access the Internet.
I would also need to have two sets of proxy settings, one for school, one for home, is this possible?
Then, some spex from the phone, so you don't have to ask:
OS: WM5
ROM version: 1.23.403.2 (Offical, GPS enabled)
Radio version: 1.38.00.11
Protocol version: 32.71.7020.12H
ExtRom version: 1.23.405.103
Phone sold under name: HTC P3600
Finnish retail version.
Oh and on final note, this is an amazing forum, even if I started reading this a week before I got my phone, and have continued to do so ever since, the amount of information on any given subject related to PDAs and mobiles seems endless. I look forward in your insights in this matter.
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OK third question seems answered. You should find network operator settings on the HTC website.
Second Question - try flashing a ROM / Radio ROM again and see if you still have the problem. (For that you'll need an answer to question One
First Question: if this happens, you should leave the phone in bootloader mode (three coloured bars on the screen) make sure it say USB at the bottom of the Trinity screen - make sure you're not using Vista as an OS - use XP. provided the above conditions are met, exit and run the Rom Upgrade Utility again. This time the progress bar should show - start moving - and your ROM will flash. Search Google for trinity guids on how to for vista if that's you case.

Thanks for the answers, first of all,
I actually found out one bit of the problem by searching the forum, it seems my firewall might have been the cause of the ActiveSync problems I've been having. The Kerio Personal firewall seemed to cause the rapimgr.exe to go into a loop, this might have caused problems to the Rom utility as well.
The strange thing is, this problem only stopped when I _uninstalled_ the KPF, not when I turned it off.
I will load the operator settings you mentioned
The only thing left is the WLAN proxy settings, how do I set them, and is there a way to have two sets of them, say, one for each network SSID?

Wifi is flakey at some APs

I have installed and uninstalled a number of firmware/mod combinations on my xv6800 in hopes to get the GPS working. I don't believe that's going to happen (saddly, I feel like there's a conspiracy out there to trick peeps like me into spending weeks on this problem without any positive outcome) so I'm currently focusing on what DOES work with this device.
One thing that's flakey is the wifi. At home I'm running WEP128. It connects sometimes, others it will not. When it does not automatically connect but sees it, it asks for the key each time. What's the deal with that? Entering my long a$$ key each time has made me memorize it, but it's still a serious PITA. I don't have the same issue at most other places - still using WEP128. Doesn't appear to have any issues connecting to open APs. Does have issues connecting to a friend's AP, i that it doesn't even SEE it as available any more, after the initial 3-4 connects.
Thoughts on why this could be happening? Not having the GPS makes me very angry, but then to not have reliable wifi practially makes the device pointless, as I have another phone, my own PED and an actual good camera... and a laptop.
thanks for any helpful thoughts.
Chris

Chris,
I'm assuming from your post that the "XV" indicates you have a Verizon Phone? If so you might look at this link pertaining to GPS
http://www.phonenews.com/how-to-add-gps-to-htc-mogul-xv6800-p4000-titan-2663/
I'm not sure what to tell you about the WiFi. Mine works fine...

iamchrismoran said:
I have installed and uninstalled a number of firmware/mod combinations on my xv6800 in hopes to get the GPS working. I don't believe that's going to happen (saddly, I feel like there's a conspiracy out there to trick peeps like me into spending weeks on this problem without any positive outcome) so I'm currently focusing on what DOES work with this device.
One thing that's flakey is the wifi. At home I'm running WEP128. It connects sometimes, others it will not. When it does not automatically connect but sees it, it asks for the key each time. What's the deal with that? Entering my long a$$ key each time has made me memorize it, but it's still a serious PITA. I don't have the same issue at most other places - still using WEP128. Doesn't appear to have any issues connecting to open APs. Does have issues connecting to a friend's AP, i that it doesn't even SEE it as available any more, after the initial 3-4 connects.
Thoughts on why this could be happening? Not having the GPS makes me very angry, but then to not have reliable wifi practially makes the device pointless, as I have another phone, my own PED and an actual good camera... and a laptop.
thanks for any helpful thoughts.
Chris
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I have the verizon Titan and just use mac filtering on my wireless router. The encryption slows it down to much for me and basically need the same encryption scheme on both sides to get it to work properly. I don't do anything that it needs to be encrypted and the mac filtering keeps the neighbors out as well.

timm9 said:
Chris,
I'm assuming from your post that the "XV" indicates you have a Verizon Phone? If so you might look at this link pertaining to GPS
http://www.phonenews.com/how-to-add-gps-to-htc-mogul-xv6800-p4000-titan-2663/
I'm not sure what to tell you about the WiFi. Mine works fine...
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Wow, of all the tuts and instructions I've tried and read, that one has never crossed my screen - and I have tried at least 4-5 different ones. The phone's already unlocked and has a custom rom on it. I didn't get an impression either way if this method will reset the device/settings/files/etc in it again. I guess I could try it out. Thanks.
I'm getting to the point of just wanting to pay someone to get teh GPS working on it.
The Wifi issue is just weird and flakey. No rhyme or reason I can see.
Chris

jambrose said:
I have the verizon Titan and just use mac filtering on my wireless router. The encryption slows it down to much for me and basically need the same encryption scheme on both sides to get it to work properly. I don't do anything that it needs to be encrypted and the mac filtering keeps the neighbors out as well.
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I think of doing that often... but well... I don't have a but. WEP is hackable, but feels secure enough , considering I have a bunch of secure APs in my neighborhood... some obscurity helps as well.
I know that sometimes if I restart my AP (linksys wrt54g) the xv6800 will just find it and connect on it's own.
Chris

There is absolutely no reason why gps should not work on your device. In fact in this forum we really don't even discuss it too much anymore because it's really just an understood thing to be working. If you are on verizon use the latest alltel radio 3.42.xx I can't remember exactly, load dcd's 3.2.6 or 3.3.4 and start from there. Wifi on these roms have power saving features make sure if you are using wifi that you have strength up to full. Also, all the moguls that I have had, DO NOT COUNT ON THEM AUTOMATICALLY FINDING ACCESS POINTS, simply go to start->settings->connections "view all available access points" and select the one you want to use. I have heard cases of gps having trouble locking if wifi is on so make sure the switch is off and vise versa. Do the verizon qpst and registry settings change. On verizon you should have a lock within 30 seconds everytime if you are within the continental US. Good luck and take your time.

Sweeny Russ said:
There is absolutely no reason why gps should not work on your device. In fact in this forum we really don't even discuss it too much anymore because it's really just an understood thing to be working.
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Haha... yeah, that's what's so frustrating. So many people getting it to work and me not. I'm no dolt. I follow directions quite well.
If you are on verizon use the latest alltel radio 3.42.xx I can't remember exactly, load dcd's 3.2.6 or 3.3.4 and start from there. Wifi on these roms have power saving features make sure if you are using wifi that you have strength up to full. Also, all the moguls that I have had, DO NOT COUNT ON THEM AUTOMATICALLY FINDING ACCESS POINTS, simply go to start->settings->connections "view all available access points" and select the
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I have 3.42.something new within the last two months. My first attempt was with the DCD. Nada.
As for finding available access points, at my friend's place, it just shows it listed as unavailable. At home, it will SEE it and even attempt to connect, but often fails, except for those random times when it will connect.
one you want to use. I have heard cases of gps having trouble locking if wifi is on so make sure the switch is off and vise versa. Do the verizon qpst and registry settings change. On verizon you should have a lock within 30 seconds everytime if you are within the continental US. Good luck and take your time.
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Hm... will it maintain the lock with the wifi turned back on afterward? The whole point is to be able to use gmaps with the GPS. I can install other s/w that has it's own maps as well, bypassing the need for the wifi, but for starters, getting GPS working first is important.
It's a verizon phone, but I don't have service turned on yet. I'm not going to switch my number over until I'm happy with how it's set up. I do not intend on using a data plan - too expensive, so wifi when in range and other gps s/w when I'm not will be used.
Thanks for the words of encouragement. I have taken some serious time with this. The nice thing is that I don't have to rush, so I've tried MANY different things from the forums and even the PPCgeeks IRC channel. If I practice any more patience, I'll be sleeping.
Chris

iamchrismoran said:
Wow, of all the tuts and instructions I've tried and read, that one has never crossed my screen - and I have tried at least 4-5 different ones. The phone's already unlocked and has a custom rom on it. I didn't get an impression either way if this method will reset the device/settings/files/etc in it again. I guess I could try it out. Thanks.
I'm getting to the point of just wanting to pay someone to get teh GPS working on it.
The Wifi issue is just weird and flakey. No rhyme or reason I can see.
Chris
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That phonenews article was VERY helpful in getting me started, but:
It is ancient. Those old roms have problem. Use the newest DCD roms and radios found here. (thanks DCD and everyone)
ALSO, on the GPS.
If you EVER, EVER, installed the new Verizon MR1 upgrade, the GPS is locked. No worky no more..... But, simply find the older Verizon rom, it can be found. Downgrade to it and run it. Then go straight to the DCD rom/radio.

worwig said:
That phonenews article was VERY helpful in getting me started, but:
It is ancient. Those old roms have problem. Use the newest DCD roms and radios found here. (thanks DCD and everyone)
ALSO, on the GPS.
If you EVER, EVER, installed the new Verizon MR1 upgrade, the GPS is locked. No worky no more..... But, simply find the older Verizon rom, it can be found. Downgrade to it and run it. Then go straight to the DCD rom/radio.
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I did try the MR1 upgrade based aGPS hack, but I then realized that aGPS only matters if you've got a working GPS at all. Anyway, I then downgraded again and started over from scratch. I got my phone in September and did my series of hacks/upgrades/unlocks over the course of two weeks or nightly tries and retries. It's nice to hear someone say it WILL work, but Murphy's Law is working overtime with me on this one.

It is my understanding that if you don't have internet access than gps will not just not work on mogul. The gps one chip I believe is strictly an AGPS chip and cannot lock without using agps. However I guess some people have done it and use it, although even if you get it to work the lock will take forever. The mogul really needs that emphemeris data from the north american gps servers to function correctly. I didn't realize these were your terms.

Sweeny Russ said:
It is my understanding that if you don't have internet access than gps will not just not work on mogul. The gps one chip I believe is strictly an AGPS chip and cannot lock without using agps. However I guess some people have done it and use it, although even if you get it to work the lock will take forever. The mogul really needs that emphemeris data from the north american gps servers to function correctly. I didn't realize these were your terms.
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I've never seen it written anywhere that one would be required to have a data connection with the service provider to get a GPS lock. Seems ridiculous to me. If I wanted to pay for a data connection, then why the heck not just pay for the VZ Navigator access??
I've never seen aGPS as a requirement either. If all the tuts were about aGPS, I'd see that having that data connection was important. Boy, I sure could use a definitive on this. If I KNOW for fact that GPS just doesn't work without a data connection, I'd have to suck it up and get an external bluetooth GPS device if I care enough. I have believed however all along that the whole point was to access GPS hardware without incurring data charges.
thanks,
Chris

http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=47602
its not the mogul, but same idea.

iamchrismoran said:
I did try the MR1 upgrade based aGPS hack, but I then realized that aGPS only matters if you've got a working GPS at all. Anyway, I then downgraded again and started over from scratch. I got my phone in September and did my series of hacks/upgrades/unlocks over the course of two weeks or nightly tries and retries. It's nice to hear someone say it WILL work, but Murphy's Law is working overtime with me on this one.
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Also, not trying to undermind you, but why did you aquire the mogul if you weren't planning on using internet access? I mean you loose live search, google maps, pic and video messaging, skyfire, ie, youtube, and pretty much everything that makes a mogul a mogul. If you bought it for the soul purpose of using as a gps device you definitely bought the wrong device.

Sweeny Russ said:
Also, not trying to undermind you, but why did you aquire the mogul if you weren't planning on using internet access? I mean you loose live search, google maps, pic and video messaging, skyfire, ie, youtube, and pretty much everything that makes a mogul a mogul. If you bought it for the soul purpose of using as a gps device you definitely bought the wrong device.
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TOTALLY reasonable question.
I will use the phone when I have it set how I like it.
I got it so I could have a reasonably convenient way to freely check my email and surf when in wifi range without needing to lug my laptop around with me. I got a good price on it, much cheaper than an actual laptop.
Nice sized screen for when I want to actually watch a ripped movie or TV show and the option to install other software on a whim to have with me is just great. I got a ppc that can be a phone essentially. I'm not a phone person, too cheap to pay for a text plan, but wifi is key. The ability to open this phone up for GPS use was a major factor in picking it from lots of research before diving in.

I can not turn on wifi in my htc elf

Hello, i need your help. I can´t turn on wifi in my device. I try with a lot of roms, radios, etc. but it impossible. When i touch de wifi icon the machine think a few seconds and then it stay in grey again. Sorry for my poor english.

I have the same problem here. I own an HTC TOUCH (ELFin) - IPL 2.21.002 / SPL 2.21.0000 and the original ROM from Orange (Spain). I can not tell you when it happened but i tried several ROMS and Radios and what is happening is: I go to Comm Manager, and tap on WLAN icon to turn it on, I see Windows spinning ball and finally I get the grey icon again.
Can somebody help me with this please? I really don´t know what to do

Hi
You write you tried many roms but your SPL shows your device is Cid locked Unless you flashed back you your original orange rom ? Anyway did you use wifi before flashing? did you try Settings/Connections and not only Commanager?

Hi! I had exactly the same problem after sim unlocking the phone.
The wifi could not turn on, no matter what I did.
I tried other radios, other roms, my roms but wifi was not working.
I could not even see the MAC address of the wifi chip.
The field inside the Wifi program was empty.
So I was absolutely sure that the wifi chip was not working anymore.
But one day after about a year of non operating wifi I tried to change my rom.
After some flashing and installing I tried to start the wifi without hope.
And IT WORKED! And the MAC address was visible again!
I don't know how that happened, I don't know how to guide you to fix it,
but don't give up trying!

p4tgb said:
Hi! I had exactly the same problem after sim unlocking the phone.
The wifi could not turn on, no matter what I did.
I tried other radios, other roms, my roms but wifi was not working.
I could not even see the MAC address of the wifi chip.
The field inside the Wifi program was empty.
So I was absolutely sure that the wifi chip was not working anymore.
But one day after about a year of non operating wifi I tried to change my rom.
After some flashing and installing I tried to start the wifi without hope.
And IT WORKED! And the MAC address was visible again!
I don't know how that happened, I don't know how to guide you to fix it,
but don't give up trying!
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Here is solution for your problem:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=614419

Hi there ! My girlfriend owns T-Mobile MDA Touch that has the same problem as described above: Pressing the grey WiFi icon (Comm Manager) > Thinking for a few secs > Icon stays grey. I spent last 2 days of searching for a solution without success. Even this forum seems too difficult to me. I don't understand to many terms too... I would really appreciate if someone patient helped me. I've already backuped the phone via WMDC (& Outlook) so far. I also tried the hard reset too but it didn't fixed the problem. I would also like to know if her T-Mobile MDA Touch equals HTC Elf ? Green & red button on her device is larger that on the picture of HTC Elf...

IvvI said:
Here is solution for your problem:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=614419
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But this leads to a solution for Trinity model, doesn't it ?

I was surprised when I succesfully turned on the WLAN today. I hope this will last forever !

Still struggling! HD2 on O2, no support! (edited!)

When i turn my HD2/Leo on, i get a box saying 'cannot connect modem, click here to check settings' or some rubbish
I normally press dismiss and thats that. However, now and again i'll get a screen come up from windows live saying there has been a problem and it keeps repeating, a bit like a bad curry.
I have problems connecting to mobile internet (not over wifi) so I phone O2, they say i need to switch wifi off to connect to 3G internet, i question what about when i'm out and about and no where near wifi? They say, yes or it won't connect. They aint got a clue! My understanding is that if a wifi connection is available then it'll use it, if not if reverts back to 3g, edge etc
I'm currently stuck on the 1.43 ROM, although I'm not sure if a ROM upgrade would do anything, and even if it did, i gotta piss about putting all the stuff and settings correct again (unless there is a back up program?)
How do i get the stock ROM back on if i ever send it back, and do away with the HSPL and put the phone back to standard?
If i do upgrade the ROM, it'll be to a genuine HTC one, hopefully without all the O2 rubbish they insist on messing up the phone with!

I'll be as blunt with you as you've been with your post. I could quite happily help you, but I ain't gonna do it until you edit out all the swearing on your post. I'm not a prude, but you're just plain rude to assume that that's okay.
You'll need to go into advanced mode to edit the title.
Thanks.

ive give up on htc hd2 now im gettin a iphone 3gs from o2 as replacement

Doing it now! I'm just so angry with this phone! Sorry!

northernneil said:
Doing it now! I'm just so angry with this phone! Sorry!
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That's cool mate - thanks for changing it. We're not all foul mouthed adults on here (I am, just to be clear, just not on the forums )
The message dialog you mention about not being able to connect is just an issue with software trying to use the connection before it's available. I'm hoping that this will be fixed by HTC, but having to close a dialog once every 4 or 5 times I reboot is no big deal so I can live with that.
The wifi problem you mentioned sounds compacted by an idiot at O2 not knowing what they're talking about. I've found that O2 CS range from very helpful and informed, all the way down to bog dwellers who prefer to hang up than listen. (I like to call them Stig.)
Basically, leave the Wifi off, unless you intend on using it. I only say that because of the amount of battery drain you'll get with it constantly searching for wireless sources. As far as the connection goes, yes, you're right. It should use Wifi over 3G, but use 3G if there's no Wifi (or 2G if there's no 3G), whether it's switched on or not.
You may need to check your settings. I'm on O2, so I can give you mine and see if they help.
As far as ROMs go, it's unclear, to be honest, as to what was fixed and whether anything was fixed for everyone or just a few. The whole ROM upgrade and hotfix thing has been very ambiguous, and HTC's descriptions don't help.
Try flashing a newer ROM, if you're up for starting from scratch again. You'll have to use Goldcard or HSPL to do this though, as you can normally only flash O2 ROMs on O2 phones. If you ever needed to send the phone back to O2 then you'd need to flash the original ROM on there first. I believe there's a thread in the ROM section that has the vendor provided stock ROMs, so that's the best thing to look for.
I hope this helps. If, you don't get anywhere with any of this advice then you may simply have a faulty phone. I assume O2 would just replace it for you (or put it in a new box and send it back).
Let us know if you want my O2 settings.

Cheers for that John.
I'm unsure about flashing ROMS to be honest, especially when there is no obvious advantage. It's not that i don't feel confident in doing it, it's if and when the phone needs to go back. I gather that once the HSPL is on there, that's it?
I'm going to see how i get on tonight with it (working nights) and if there's no improvement then I'll have a look around for a Standard Rom to flash, and a program to back the phone up.
I too can live with the modem message, although I can't believe HTC (who are coming through in the market) offer so little support!
I also, don't think O2 should have branded this phone, they didn't with the Iphone, so why these? It just makes support so much harder!

northernneil said:
I also, don't think O2 should have branded this phone, they didn't with the Iphone, so why these? It just makes support so much harder!
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Apple doesn't allow the branding of iphones. Everything has to be Apple's way. If O2 was allowed to brand it they would have.

meegulthwarp said:
Apple doesn't allow the branding of iphones. Everything has to be Apple's way. If O2 was allowed to brand it they would have.
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The oPhone?

Lol, if I don't get the hang of this phone soon, i'll be going back to an oPhone!
Seriously, i'll persevere! John, any idea how to get rid of the Sent from my HTC from the end of emails?

Northernneil,
If you are thinking of changing roms then the stock 1.48 is what is available right now from HTC officially. There are cooked roms on here as well but I would take your time and stick with something that is "familiar", ie the stock roms from HTC, until you get up to speed, knowledge wise.
In terms of backup software try using Sprite Backup or SPB Backup to backup your mail, contacts, etc. Once you have installed a new rom you can restore these items but DO NOT restore your old rom system settings. If you download a trial copy of SPB Backup you will see what I mean.
No offence but please read the relevant threads on here on rom flashing BEFORE you jump in, then read them again so you have a thorough understanding of what you are doing. Good for you to know how to retrieve the situation if it goes wrong.
Hope this is helpful to you.
WB
PS To get rid of the Sent message at the bottom of your emails or even modify it to your taste, do the following on your device:
Go to All Messages then select that so that you can see a list of messages. Then goto Menu>Tools>Options and click on the Signatures box.
Next, from the drop down menu, select your email account. You will see a large bos open up with Sent ...in it.
Delete or change to something of your liking, click OK, job done.
WB
PS You can download the manual direct from HTC as a pdf file.