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I notice with skype (running OMAP at 240) when i make calls it is on speaker phone....any way to have sound come out of the earpiece, or toggle between it and speaker phone when i dont have headset in?
thanks...
stumped..
anybody aware of it?
I also want to know this as well..
Regardless of which entity is responsible for this not being implemented, the absence of small yet important features such as this are what make the entire Pocket PC platform seem juvenile at times
I downloaded skype v2 for wm5 yesterday, and it actually works on the wizard... HOORAY!!! download the version for the universal
and YES... it works with the headphones, otherwise sound goes to the external speaker
The new imate rom comes with skype 1.1 and it worked....but more as a technology demo... completely unusable unless you wanted to reset every other minute to get your contacts back... memory hog yadayadayada.
ref: http://forum.skype.com/viewtopic.php?t=51781
so its an issue....
that skype forum proves no help, no responses! hah
it is not an issue. it is how things work. there is not way to fix it. The normal phone speaker is hardwired to the gsm radio. there is no way to get any audio that does not come off of a GSM phone call to go to that speaker.
u ever used speakerphone with gsm?
So even though your GSM calls can be routed to the external speakers, the audio port or even a bluetooth device which uses the handsfree profile, you're telling me there's no possible way to route audio into the internal handset speaker. Do you know this for a fact or are you just making assumptions based on limited knowledge of these devices?
this isn't about speakerphones and such, as you're telling the audio signal to go to different places. what eguess is saying is that the little speaker we hear from isn't connected to a simple audio solder, but straight to the radio. and that radio doesn't get input audio from anywhere else but the radio itself. get it now?
eguess said:
it is not an issue. it is how things work. there is not way to fix it. The normal phone speaker is hardwired to the gsm radio. there is no way to get any audio that does not come off of a GSM phone call to go to that speaker.
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So i was just wondering with skype work with a bluetooth headset? Thanks
not true. i could listen music in the built in earpeice once before while on the phone. it doesn't seem to work now. idk weird.
i could also listen to music on the included headset before while on the phone but it doesn't seem to work anymore.
so i don't think its hardwired. it must be in the registry somewhere enabling/disabling internal earpeice.
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so i don't think its hardwired. it must be in the registry somewhere enabling/disabling internal earpeice.
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Well, not everything is in the registry either. Ok, why does Opera for PPC leave extra spaces? Absolutely ridiculous.
murdokiwi said:
I downloaded skype v2 for wm5 yesterday, and it actually works on the wizard... HOORAY!!! download the version for the universal
and YES... it works with the headphones, otherwise sound goes to the external speaker
The new imate rom comes with skype 1.1 and it worked....but more as a technology demo... completely unusable unless you wanted to reset every other minute to get your contacts back... memory hog yadayadayada.
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Hello everyone.
I have a great pair of wired headphones that I love to use for watching movies and listening to mp3's... noise canceling, enhanced bass, extended range, the works... =)
The only problem though is that when I get an incoming call on gsm, there is no way to listen to the call from the headphones and still use the built-in mic of the universal. I'm forced to unplug the headphones and just use the jasjar's built-in speakers like a regular phone. This is especially horrible on the bus, train, etc.
Funny thing is if I use skype on the jasjar, I can hear out of my great headphones and still talk through the built-in mic... i recorded a few voice notes using the built-in mic while having the headphones plugged in the universal...
clearly, from this... the function is available?
but how do I do this using the gsm phone?
I suppose you may want os details and such... I'm using the newest official i-mate jasjar rom
Thanks in advance!
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I agree because when i plug my cassette adaptor into my phone in the middle of a call the other person can hear me for the first 1 or 2 seconds and then nothing. This sounds software related. Shame to have to add more hardware to the situation.
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I agree because when i plug my cassette adaptor into my phone in the middle of a call the other person can hear me for the first 1 or 2 seconds and then nothing. This sounds software related. Shame to have to add more hardware to the situation.
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having same problem here. I think it will be fixed by January 1st, 2007 in the new OS. Stay tuned. I have two OS versions of WM. I will try it on both and let you know. Well I hardly use GSM.... actually I only use skype on GPRS. Its much cheaper. Incoming and Outgoing calls plan from Skype is really cheap ^^.
Well, I was unsure if I should post this under one of the old posts, but I decided to start it as a new clean post...
Many are having problem with "hissing" noise, joint-stereo and low bitrate(or bitpool). For my sake, I've tried "fit4cat - Hermes Tweaker", "Sleuth255 A2DP fix" and several other methods, but without beeing able to get the soundquality I want from my headset.
Now, this is what worked for me after tweaking around with the registry a while, and endless pairing sessions
Download a registry editor(I use PHM, http://www.phm.lu/Products/PocketPC/RegEdit/ <- Download the PocketPC 2002/2003 ARM/PXA)
1: Turn off bluethooth on the Trinity
2: Unpair the Trinity with the headset(Delete the headset from the list!)
3: Change the following registry settings:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Bluetooth\A2 DP\Settings
MaxSupportedBitPool=80
MinSupportedBitPool=40 (or more if you want)
(if these arn't there, add them!)
And DELETE:
UseJointStereo = 0/1 (depending on whatever you have put there before)
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\WaveDev]
Priority256=149
(let the rest be as it is)
4: Reboot
5: Now, DO NOT use the headset for direct pairing!(since you've already added your phone to the headset, pressing a button on it will useually pair it back with the Trinity) <- This seems to be the function that triggers the sound-problem...
Instead, set the headset in visible mode, and use the trinity to pair(search for new devices), when you find the headset and pair it, you will hear the pairing-sound from the trinity-speaker, and NOT the headset.
Now you can enjoy high quality stereo sound without any disturbance
But, the problem comes when you turn off your Trinity, or the headset. If you try to connect the headset and the phone by using the connectbutton/playbutton on the headset, it will pair, but this time you will hear the pairing sound in the headset, and then you have all your problems back... So then you have to turn of bluethooth, delete the headset from the trinity, and add it back once again by turing the headset in visible mode again.
So the solution to this, is to go to the device list on the trinity after you have lost connection with the headset(this is if you have turned of the trinity or the headset), and hold the stylus on it and choose "Use as wirelss stereo" and "use as handsfree"...
Thanks to all of you guys here who have posted solutions to the A2DP problems And if anyone have suggestions to other values that are better fit then the onces I've supplied, share them with us
And if all of this have been posted in another thread that I've missed out, the moderators are free to delete this one
Good grief, I can only imagine how many times you had to pair the headset before you noticed what was going on LOL, hope you didn't turn blue in the face
I imagine a ROM update could fix this problem.
Tiemen said:
Good grief, I can only imagine how many times you had to pair the headset before you noticed what was going on LOL, hope you didn't turn blue in the face
I imagine a ROM update could fix this problem.
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Hehe! The thing that made me going was that I was able to get perfect sound once or twice, and since I made it work those few times I just had to find out what I actually did that made this work (And paying 175$ for the headset also keept me fueled for a while ) hehe!
I think I've used about 5-6 hours total these two days sitting pairing, adjusting settings, rebooting(ARGH!), untill I found out that the problem actually occurs when you use the headset to pair instead of the trinity
I don't understand what is it with bluetooth stereo:
quality is not good enough to listen to music 64 kbps... no bass, no medium, nothing just a hiss.
and plus you get 80% cpu (with a 400Mhz...), just to encode this crappy 64 kbps.
Yes exactly for all people having so many skipping problems check your cpu with taskmgr.
So you cannot play video with A2DP unless you have 1Ghz!!! good for battery life.
If you like music you want good earbuds. There's none with A2DP.
So what's the point again apart from having to charge one more device?
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I don't understand what is it with bluetooth stereo:
quality is not good enough to listen to music 64 kbps... no bass, no medium, nothing just a hiss.
and plus you get 80% cpu (with a 400Mhz...), just to encode this crappy 64 kbps.
Yes exactly for all people having so many skipping problems check your cpu with taskmgr.
So you cannot play video with A2DP unless you have 1Ghz!!! good for battery life.
If you like music you want good earbuds. There's none with A2DP.
So what's the point again apart from having to charge one more device?
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1: Well, I'm not sure on the bluetooth 2.0 specs, so If there is a spec limit on 64kbps, then this is new to me.
2: And the skippingproblem is not just connected to the CPU-usage.. But if you have some info on this issue, then please; do share it with us.
3: A2DP headset with minijack is available many places, even HTC has one. And if you take a look at DS970, you will see that it's the same as Sony MDR-series.
4: And well, the CPU usage is a issue, but that is the only part that I agree with you on..(but let us be frank, I've bought a pair of A2DP headset, so I do smell a bit "conflict of interests" here...)
And to the bottom line, I've bought the Trinity because it's one hell of a gadget, and so is bluetooth stereo So if anyone want to shoot me for that, well hell yeah, go ahead
Edit: And FYI meroupow: I do feel you are a bit rude in the way you wrote that response, or at least a bit arrogant when you post a comment like that. Trying to mock people who have bought A2DP headsets and are tweaking and fixing issues to make them work correct(this also goes for GPS on the phone, black coating comming off, improving camera quality, getting the ATI ImageOn to work correctly... etc) . And I must honestly say that yes, you do have some points there, but you should be able to present your views in a much more polite way...
Sound better but discontinuou. Impossible ear music. The sound goes on and off continuously. Why?. How can I do?
I am sorry if you felt I was being rude.
That was not my point and It was probably the wrong place to say what I said.
It is just that just like you I bought this A2DP stuff with my Wizard.
Just like you I tweaked it as much as I could and managed to get it work.
The problem is when it comes to sound quality is important and just working is not enough.
When you show your happiness because it's finally working, people think you are happy because it's good and they are buying it. And get disappointed too.
I just wanted to warn people on the fact that it's not working to watch movies because of cpu and that a 5$ earbud will have far superior sound quality.
It's just a toy and by no way a mature technology.
I've got a CB2530, hard to pair and I still don't know what do I do for the pairing to be successful, but I do manage to pair it after a few attempts, on the registry I just disable jointstereo, set the MaxSupportedBitPool to 320 and the quality is quite nice and with minimal skipping. High cpu usage of course, but if I set the MaxSupportedBitPool to 80 the quality is quite crappy and the device gets equally sluggish(gets worse when you touch on the screen, as K-Rally does even with the new ROM).
As for the pairing, I still haven't confirmed, but I think the registry setting that enables the bluesnarf option on BTCrawler has something to do with it(the bluetooth ISC mode thing), because right after setting it I managed to pair the headset right away, the thing is, I was also successful in other occasions when I hadn't set that reg. option.
Hearing the pairing sound from the trinity or headset doesn't indicate anything on my case, and I think I've already tried these reg settings you mention, but I'll try them again as soon as I get home to see if there's any difference and post the results.
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It is just that just like you I bought this A2DP stuff with my Wizard.
Just like you I tweaked it as much as I could and managed to get it work.
The problem is when it comes to sound quality is important and just working is not enough.
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Install the Widcomm BT stack. With that, you won't have complaints - neither have I.
meroupow said:
I don't understand what is it with bluetooth stereo:
quality is not good enough to listen to music 64 kbps... no bass, no medium, nothing just a hiss.
and plus you get 80% cpu (with a 400Mhz...), just to encode this crappy 64 kbps.
Yes exactly for all people having so many skipping problems check your cpu with taskmgr.
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Switch to the Widcomm BT stack.
neofix said:
5: Now, DO NOT use the headset for direct pairing!(since you've already added your phone to the headset, pressing a button on it will useually pair it back with the Trinity) <- This seems to be the function that triggers the sound-problem...
Instead, set the headset in visible mode, and use the trinity to pair(search for new devices), when you find the headset and pair it, you will hear the pairing-sound from the trinity-speaker, and NOT the headset.
Now you can enjoy high quality stereo sound without any disturbance
But, the problem comes when you turn off your Trinity, or the headset. If you try to connect the headset and the phone by using the connectbutton/playbutton on the headset, it will pair, but this time you will hear the pairing sound in the headset, and then you have all your problems back... So then you have to turn of bluethooth, delete the headset from the trinity, and add it back once again by turing the headset in visible mode again.
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Does anyone know what is changed when you DO pair with the button on the headphones? With some models, you MUST do it because, otherwise, the music will be muted after about a second (see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=282008 for more info).
I've searched around in the Registry for changes, without any success. It's possible we could directly edit the headphone connection-dependent parameters set AFTER the headphone's initiating the connection to avoid sound problems. If we knew where they're stored, that is.
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Switch to the Widcomm BT stack.
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On trinity?
meroupow said:
I am sorry if you felt I was being rude.
That was not my point and It was probably the wrong place to say what I said.
It is just that just like you I bought this A2DP stuff with my Wizard.
Just like you I tweaked it as much as I could and managed to get it work.
The problem is when it comes to sound quality is important and just working is not enough.
When you show your happiness because it's finally working, people think you are happy because it's good and they are buying it. And get disappointed too.
I just wanted to warn people on the fact that it's not working to watch movies because of cpu and that a 5$ earbud will have far superior sound quality.
It's just a toy and by no way a mature technology.
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BTW: is it the profile and software on the phones/PDAs that arn't handling it, or is it the standard itself that sucks? (or in other words, should I keep my headset for later usage or return it to the store)
I use Plantronics 590a and the skipping problem appears very rarely, mainly when I use volume/track buttons on headset. However, yesterday I also connected the headset to a normal stereo (via the 3.5mm adapter) and noticed the same occasional skipping. So in my opinion the skipping issue problem might be from headset, not Trinity.
I also tried a Nokia stereo bluetooth headset and noticed serious skipping problems - unusable.
PS: there is indeed a skipping problem if I open/close other applications while listening to music. It looks like the processor is very busy - system very slow etc.
PPS: any suggestions for a player that has equalizer? WMP doesn't and the sound is not that great (especially when compared to my old SE P900 which had an excellent player - best I've heard so far... )
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If you tell me how I'll be glad to try...
I've never managed to do it sucessfully with my Prophet (witch had the same A2DP sound quality problem as it come with taht Fu***g, crappy, buggy, foot-coded MS BT stack)
Stereo BT experience is very positive
Hi all,
As always, someone has to have a different view of the issue. I got my trinity a couple of weeks ago and went and bought a Plantronics Pulsar 280 stereo headset. Mostly because of the stereo jack. I have not updated trinity nor have I applied any fixes, just paired right out of the box, as always from trinity BT manager. It really sounds great, particularlly the base is fantastic because of the earbud design. Even you may choose the actual headset of your dreams by using the standard 2.5mm jack. I have owned a "no brand" headset (still do) but it is not BT 2.0 and I think it makes a difference. The plantronics does not skip and it sounds great. Most of my MP3 is 128k and above so no limits with that. I have not checked my registry settings as they are default rom image set. I am using ROM 1.15.412.2 and Radio 1.20.00.11 (my trinity only speaks spanish for now, hope to change that soon).
Point being that the software and quality of the headphones makes all the difference, don't be so quick to blame trinity, just a piece of my mind. Keep it up guys!!!
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If you tell me how I'll be glad to try...
I've never managed to do it sucessfully with my Prophet (witch had the same A2DP sound quality problem as it come with taht Fu***g, crappy, buggy, foot-coded MS BT stack)
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Yes, how do you change the BT stack on the Trinity?
Thanks.
danosimo said:
Hi all,
I have not updated trinity nor have I applied any fixes, just paired right out of the box, as always from trinity BT manager. It really sounds great, particularlly the base is fantastic because of the earbud design.
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If you haven't changed anything it might sound great but it definitely sounds MONO!
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Yes, how do you change the BT stack on the Trinity?
Thanks.
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Up to now, I haven't managed to do it; see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=291605 and http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=286094 . Sorry for telling you it might be possible - I assumed it would, as it is on most other HTC models.
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If you haven't changed anything it might sound great but it definitely sounds MONO!
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set UseJointStereo to 0
Has anyone had any experience here writing code to take advantage of the internal speaker on our phone devices?
I know the external speaker is a standard peice of WM hardware, but there must be a way to call the internal speaker as well... this would be very useful for coding VOIP apps, as you can imagine.
Any thoughts?
Apparently the elusive Cicero networks product "Cicerophone" handled VOiP calls using the internal speaker!
This is something that other developing apps, such as Skype for WM, have failed to figure out so far.
Unfortunately, Cicero is very secretive, and as of yet no one else seems to know how to achieve this.
Anyone here know anything?
Which one is the internal speaker?
I think I wrote some audio routing code for this once...
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By "internal" I mean the handset speaker usually reserved only for phone calls.
Windows Mobile devices have always had an audio speaker which is easily accessible to developers as a standard audio device. However, phone devices have a SECOND speaker, one that is smaller and not as amplified, which is used to listen to phone conversations when the device is held up to your head. This smaller speaker is what I've seen called the "internal", although I admit that it may not be the correct term for it.
I'm asking because I would actually like to route audio to that speaker for certain applications, especially VoIP, which until now has been going to loudspeaker (which causes audio feedback and privacy issues).
Do you have experience with this sort of thing?
Devices from Eten, e.g. X500, M700 have a skype service programe that redirect vioces from speaker to earphone. I don't know how it works but i just made a test to trick the service and direct the sound to earphone when making VOIP calls.
Dishe said:
Apparently the elusive Cicero networks product "Cicerophone" handled VOiP calls using the internal speaker!
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Hi! Where can i buy/download cicerophone ?
Partially Solved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I apologize for cross posting, but if you use the provided wired headset, everything is OK and voip (i.e.: Fring, etc) runs great, no echo e no voice feedback.
TRY IT!!!!!!!
I thought we all knew that already...
I've been using a BT headset and the BTAudio app to reroute all sound input/output to the headset. Problem is, you have to initialize it every time you want to make/receive a VOIP call, otherwise it will eat your battery very quickly since it keeps a constant audio channel live to your headset, even when there is no sound currently being played.
The problem is, when I leave voip on and slip the phone in my pocket, I'm not always using my wired headset and/or BT headset when the phone rings, and its silly that I can't use hardware that's sitting on my device in my hands.
Hi ,
I searched and couldn't find cicerophone anywehere .
do u know by any chance where we can download or buy it ?
tnx
no, its not for sale.
It was developed to sell to a telecom, and they are still trying to sell the technology. There never was a consumer edition of the software, only beta and evaluation versions that some people were fortunate enough to get their hands on for review purposes. They have done a very good job of keeping a VERY tight lid on this- its not available ANYWHERE, and they don't have any plan of making it available to the general public.
This tree has been barked up many times, its a lost cause.
Maybe some guy can have a look at the SkypeSettings.exe and SkypeSettings.dll files from Eten.
From what I saw, it only deals with the WAV1: device. No more devices are listed. Probably it captures the audio from it and than sends it to front speaker.
It does not run on my PDA. The settings tab also appears grayed out, so the app know it is not an Eten.
Unfortunately I could not debug the file on my device, given that IDA does not work on WM6, but probably both files have a check for Eten device, and if it is of a different brand the apps terminate.
so check it out here is a workaround on the htc hero for sprint to allow you to stream music to a mono (single ear non stereo) bluetooth headset. ok so my bluetooth does not have a2dp capabilities but this works still. this is not my idea its off the android forums i found after doing some digging.
you have to have your phone on vibrate and the music, podcast whatever has to already be playing and your bluetooth already has to be paired.
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Got non A2DP Bluetooth headset to play Music / podcasts
I went searching for a way to play my podcasts over a non A2DP bluetooth headset. I couldn't find anything, but I did figure out a way to make it work. I'm using a Sprint HTC Hero phone.
1. I went to the phone and dialed '**' (2 stars) which creates a 'p' for pause. Then press call. This enables the headset without actually placing a call.
2. After this I started doggcatcher (or other audio / video player) and it played through the headset. Everything went through the headset after this point.
3. In order to stop playback to my headset I just called my voicemail and hung up. At that point, audio was routed back to the speaker.
I don't know if this will work on other phones, but it did on mine.
good luck.
EDIT: I have found that it only works when my ringer volume is off or on vibrate. Also, the media volume needs to be turned up separately -- Either from the settings control or prior to performing the 'p' call. The volume rocker only controls the Bluetooth call volume after the bluetooth headset is active.
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now i give full credit to this guy. i just couldnt find it anywhere after looking all day. so i figured i should post it here. mods sorry if its already posted
Holy crap!!!!! Greatest discovery ever!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kcarpenter said:
Holy crap!!!!! Greatest discovery ever!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Did it work for you too ? I'm so glad I've stubbledon this . Ive been streaming over my blutooth for like 30 min
Bump!
Does this really work? Is the quality ok? I'd love to avoid spending the extra dough on one of the few pieces that supports a2dp...
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Does this really work? Is the quality ok? I'd love to avoid spending the extra dough on one of the few pieces that supports a2dp...
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Works great.
Quality of the audio all depends on the quality of your headset. Personally I stopped buying expensive ones. I buy about 1 a month any more. I lose them everytime.
I guess it can sound a little staticy or muffled at times, but I think thats more Pandora and bad reception in this Tin Can I call an office.
Works great for voice on my moto H605, but music isn't very good.
Awesome!!! Ive been searching for this for a while...
This is so cool!! I have a $30 head set from wall mart that is about good for nothing. But now I have something I can do with it.
I was able to listen to my music with my bluetooth on my last phone (which really helps to pass the time at work).
I was so excited to get the HTC Hero for Christmas this year and it is such a great phone. But I was not so excited after I discovered I could not listen to my music with my bluetooth.
Thank you for thinking of others and posting this! I spent so much time trying to figure out a way to fix this. This works great!
GSM Hero
Hey guys,
I just bought a Voyager Pro, because I thought I can listen to music. After I tried it, it didn't work. And I found out I should have one with a2dp.
I can see, that you, with CDMA can do it now.
But do you have any idea, how could I do it with my GSM Hero?
Thanks in advance,
Roland
What kind of battery drain are we looking at when using this?
This only works with 1.5 & possibly 1.6 ROMs. I haven't had any luck on DC v1.0, which is a 2.0/1 ROM.
The bluetooth stack for 2.1 Roms isn't fully complete from what I have figured. a2dp may work with an official release.
EDIT:
Looks like Bluez has supported A2DP since about October 09(v4.15), maybe it didn't make it into our builds.