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MSN Auto Logs off!

Hi, I use my MSN quite abit but have noticed that even when I have left my phone on, logged in to MSN, when I revisit it later I notice that I've either been logged off or that I apear logged on but am not, and when I go to change my status I can't and have to log back in again.
I've installed the latest MSN update and have not tried or tested for this since. I just wonder if this is a common problem as I want to run my website support through this service butcan't if I keep getting cut off.
Thanks
Paul.

I gather you're using Pocket Version of MSN Messenger Service on Xda II? Well, as I do not know exactly your network setup, I could suggest a few reasons why MSN logs you off.
1) If you're on USB passthrough or WiFi, and if the phone is set to turn off if not used for a certain minutes - You MSN will lose connection when your device's power is turned off.
2) There's another session probably on your desktop PC loggin in, that logs you out from the Pocket session.
3) MSN server disconnection.
However, I think #1 is the usual suspect.

Also, if you answered a call, you'll lose your GPRS connection, and MSN will disconnect...
The thing I hate about it? If someone sent you a message, and you have not read it yet - but got disconnected, it dissappears. =(
I've since swiched to Agile Messanger; only thing I dont' like about it is I can't 'mark' text to copy & paste somewhere else...

Hi
Apologies for this, but I thought it better to bump this post than start a new thread asking about it again. Basically I get the exact problem as orininally described.
When connected on GPRS, I sign on to MSN Messenger. In under 5 minutes of idle activity I have been disconnected from MSN, but unless I attempt to open a conversation or change my status it is not evident. Even after several hours the contact list is still visible as if I am still connected. When I tap a contact that appears online to start a conversation, MSN then realises its offline and drops back to the sign-in screen.
If I am constantly using MSN, such as having a lengthy conversation, MSN stays online.
I can confirm that during the idle time when MSN does disconnect, GPRS is constantly connected and has not been interrupted by a call. MSN does not seem to be very useful on my phone unless I want an immediate conversation, otherwise within a few short minutes its offline.
From the looks of things MSN does not appear to be sending a ping out to keep its connection alive when idle, and just stays in a dead state until used again... thus the MSN server disconnects it. Is there any way to fix this behaviour or is there no such problem if I switch to Agile Messenger?
Ash

Help - GPRS Autodisconnect?

Hi All,
Hopefully someone may help with my query.
I have the HTC Wizard running on O2 UK latest ROM, the cell is unlocked and running another providers card.
The email is configured to check for new POP3 messages every 60mins when I am away from the PC.
The problem is that when it connects the GPRS and checks for messages the GPRS stays connected.
Other cell phones I have used will connect and autodisconnect after checking.
Maybe the GPRS is connected but not sending/receiving data during the idle period?
Can anybody shed some light on this?
Cheers all.

True- This also happens after you send/receive an MMS!
Any way to auto disconnect would be good.

GPRS
After more research I find it doesn't matter if the GPRS is active, as long as it is not sending or receiving data no charges will apply.
Still worrying though and will need to check bill!

thats is a big problem, the baterry life go away....
there no 3º program to do this? no one knows?

disconnect script
Maybe something like this ,modify the script to check and disconnect the GPRS say 5mins after checking your email.
chalky.

Solution
after the send/receive of mail or mms, if you hold the end call button the GPRS will disconnect.

Email Automatically

The 8525 has the email box with multiple accounts, but the only way to check the mail is to individually send/receive each inbox...then it shows the numeric count of new emails on the Today screen...
one of the accounts is hotmail and i have it set to receive automatically in settings and it doesnt.
any way to have it populate new mail automatically like a blackberry?

RE Email Automatically
Each account has an option to be checked automatically in an interval which you specify. I use this setting to check my POP3 and IMAP accounts every 30 minutes (I mean my PDA checks them automatically)

when creating the mail account look in the advanced option menu (still accessible if you edit the account settings).
you'll have an option to check mail at different time intervals.
beware that unlike a push mail mailbox your device will power itself back up during the mail retrieve! this kinda sucks if you want to check mail every 15min or less and have the device standby set to 5min (your device will essentially be turned off for only 10min at a time before each mail check:
mail check -> device wait 5min before going into standby -> device stays off for 15min -> mail check -> device wait 5min before going into standby -> device wait 10min (15-5) before checking mail again....
this will definitely put a nice load on the battery.
i wish there was the ability to use push mail on multiple accounts and/or multiple folders (as is, you will only get alerts for incoming mail in your inbox... not any of the exchange subfolders).

for some reason when i setup xpress mail initially, I added a POP account...which is in the hierarchy with my pocketmsn hotmail account in the main email program.
when i goto Tools, Options, hotmail isnt listed nor is the POP i setup when installing Xpress mail. The comcast POP i setup after xpress setup was complete shows up and i set the interval to 30min.
now i cant figure out how to either delete the hotmail and POP that I cant access and re add them or access its options

samw52000 said:
beware that unlike a push mail mailbox your device will power itself back up during the mail retrieve! this kinda sucks if you want to check mail every 15min or less and have the device standby set to 5min (your device will essentially be turned off for only 10min at a time before each mail check:
mail check -> device wait 5min before going into standby -> device stays off for 15min -> mail check -> device wait 5min before going into standby -> device wait 10min (15-5) before checking mail again....
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Are you ABSOLUTELY sure about this? I've used periodic mail checking in Messaging a lot (also see my Mailer Bible, where I've elaborated on setting this up) on my Wizard and have NEVER encountered problems like this.
That is, at leats on the Wizard (the TyTN may be buggy or you've overlooked something?), you will NOT have power consumption problems if you enable periodic mail checking.

How can I set a periodical email check to more than 60 min?. In my TYTN the powerdrain is aprox. -20% if I set to check every 60 min. Specialy in UMTS networks the powerdrain is bigger.
I could live with that value but there is a nerving bug:
because of periodical checking the network connection stays switched on (does not disconnect after each mailchecking). When I try to dial a tel.number the phone does not dial out (only after I disconnect the Inet connection or after trying to redialing 2 or 3 times).
Thats why I would like to set my TYTN to check mails only 3 times per day automaticaly and after each check turn off networkconnection automaticaly too.
Who can tell me how to do?

Menneisyys said:
Are you ABSOLUTELY sure about this? I've used periodic mail checking in Messaging a lot (also see my Mailer Bible, where I've elaborated on setting this up) on my Wizard and have NEVER encountered problems like this.
That is, at leats on the Wizard (the TyTN may be buggy or you've overlooked something?), you will NOT have power consumption problems if you enable periodic mail checking.
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i'm pretty sure it does... at least i know that if you're doing it thru wifi it needs to turn the phone on to be able to associate with the AP. it was the same on my old Pocket PC 2003 device.
I'll test with connecting to my EDGE network only to see if that also turns the device on.

andreasfuntastic said:
How can I set a periodical email check to more than 60 min?. In my TYTN the powerdrain is aprox. -20% if I set to check every 60 min. Specialy in UMTS networks the powerdrain is bigger.
I could live with that value but there is a nerving bug:
because of periodical checking the network connection stays switched on (does not disconnect after each mailchecking). When I try to dial a tel.number the phone does not dial out (only after I disconnect the Inet connection or after trying to redialing 2 or 3 times).
Thats why I would like to set my TYTN to check mails only 3 times per day automaticaly and after each check turn off networkconnection automaticaly too.
Who can tell me how to do?
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you could set the device to stay connected to your 3G network constantly. there are a couple tweaks out there that will let you do that (it's a reg mod).
I'm always on my EDGE network and haven't seen the significant power drop (at least not that I can't live with).

ok i've tested the settings.
it appears that with a permanent 3G connection the device will receive mail at set intervals without powering itself back on.
If you have wifi turned on it may still power itself in order to associate with the AP though I haven't tested this.
In a similar fashion if your 3G or GPRS connection isn't always on the device may need to power itself in order to establish the connection.
Bottom line is that you wanna test this before being on the road with a dead battery.
Cheers,
Sam

any idea how to alter the settings of the POP mail I setup when setting up Xpress mail that I mentioned above? since it isnt listed as an account in options
and how to alter the pocketmsn hotmail account that has its own inbox that is also not in the options account list

About power drain:
Of course the Tytn stays in sleepmode if periodical email checking is set. It only wakes up if a new email arrives. But because of beeing permanent connected to network the power drains quicker than if not connected permanently. As I said befor if you use UMTS the powerdrain is aprox. 20 % more! In GSM network it is less (dont know how much cause I live in a area where UMTS is always available)
To Samwe52000:
Beeing permanent online does not solve my nerving bug, because I can make a call only after I switch off the Inet connection.
Am I the only one who has this problem? This bug does not happen all the time, but I found out if the phone is in sleepmode for more than 1 h then the bug happens.
For me its more important to have a working phone than checking mails every 30 min. (I dont get so manny, so 3 or 4 times a day is enough and I dont care about the extra datatransfere I have to spent for new dialing in)
So again my question:
1) Whow to set autom. checking Emails to every 8 hours. (in settings only max 60 min possible)
2) How to disconnect Networkconnection automaticaly after each periodical Emailcheck. (Is the program "GB Soft-tweak WM5" working well for the Tytn?Some Tytn-user uses it?)
3) How to solve the bloody telephone bug (no call if permanently online)
Many questions, I know but maybe someone can help.

To Cadeucsd:
Your Hotmail problem
I was pleased to search for you in this forum. (Search for Hotmail and you will find a lot of treads) In wizzard forum wich is similar to Tytn for mailmanagement (both WM5 devices)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279210&highlight=hotmail
Hope this helps.

andreasfuntastic said:
To Cadeucsd:
Your Hotmail problem
I was pleased to search for you in this forum. (Search for Hotmail and you will find a lot of treads) In wizzard forum wich is similar to Tytn for mailmanagement (both WM5 devices)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279210&highlight=hotmail
Hope this helps.
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thanks for lookin, looks like forwarding to a push email account is the only way to go for hotmail in real time according to that thread.
edit: after reading that I randomly found by playing around that as long as i am signed into msn messenger i get email notifications with topic and sender info.

Setup 8525 (Hermes 100) with no data plan

Here is what I'm Trying to do:
~Find a Wm6 or Wm6.1 that would allow me to setup and use the phone with out a data connection from A&TT, but would like to only use WIFI to access the Web, email & facebook...etc...etc
~What threads, rom, tricks, cabs or tweaks where used to achieve this... while still being able to use email & the web via WIFI only?
~I've tried several Roms all installed no problem except setting up email accounts and intermittent web access issues when the phone goes into standby.
~I've set up a Window live email account but have very inconsistent connections issues. (Mostly not working)
~Frequent connection errors...
Any suggestion, pointers would be great!

As far as i know the first port of call for wm phones is to try and connect via a data plan, it will only try via wifi if you have it switched on and connected, i havent found a way of getting it to automatically try to connect to wifi. So good luck in finding it , as i have been on here for years and still dont know how to do it.
I know its not exactly useful, but just letting you know, dont think its going to be easy

You can use NoData to prevent it from trying to use a data plan (2G, 3G, etc).
I don't have a data plan at all; this is what I do to force it to use only activesync passthrough or wifi:
http://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-software/246171/new-free-utility-nodata/

The No-data cab did not help.... Did nor notice any changes... Outlook continues to pop open every few minutes. Not sure what the cause is however the phone works fine when I connect it with WIFI. is there some reg-edit to stop the outlook pop up? Let me give some more info that may help...
Using:
~Window Live Hotmail client with in Pocket Outlook
~Do not have a data plan for the phone (AT&T 8525 Hermes)
~The Only way the phone connects to the web or email is via WIFI
All suggestions welcome....

jac said:
The No-data cab did not help.... Did nor notice any changes... Outlook continues to pop open every few minutes. Not sure what the cause is however the phone works fine when I connect it with WIFI. is there some reg-edit to stop the outlook pop up? Let me give some more info that may help...
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The nodata cab installs the nodata program - check your programs menu. Run the nodata program and you can toggle off your connections.

Does the auto disconnect registry tweak affect push email?

I've set up my Gmail account using activesync (as item arrives) and all is well. However, I performed a few tests (sending emails to myself from other accounts) and noticed that the emails don't actually get to my phone immediately. They arrive immediately on the mail client on my PC but arrive about 10 minutes later on my HD2. Is this normal? If not, does the auto disconnect registry tweak I performed have anything to do with it. I'm guessing for mail to reach my phone as they arrive, some sort of constant connection is required with the google server. So does the auto disconnect tweak disrupt this connection? Also, is this constant connection drain the battery significantly quicker. I don't mind sacrificing a small amount of battery life for the push email feature, but if we're talking big drains then I might have to reconsider the sync frequencies.

OK, emails have started arriving exactly the same time on my phone as my PC mail client now. I'm guessing the auto disconnect doesn't affect anything then. It would be nice to know if its draining my battery quicker though when set to sync as item arrives.
Thanks in advance.

I was experimenting today and found the same issue. I'm not convinced that google sync works correctly just yet given that it is in beta.
I have gone back to non push mail.
WB

So hows the pushmail going on with you ?
Does it receive mail instantly ? does it drain battery faster in that way ?

Autosync with gmail seems to be unstable. I usually get mail on my phone instantly, but sometimes it can take up to 15 minutes. It would probably be better to set the phone to check mail every fifth minute or so, but what about the battery?
Does the auto disconnect affect weather, twitter or facebook updates btw?

Genuine 'Push' email can't work if autodisconnect is enabled (and actually working!)
The message that a new item is available is 'pushed' to the device from the server, which requires an open data connection.
If the data connection is closed, the 'new item available' flags won't be received until either the next scheduled poll, or the next push 'heartbeat' connection from the device which reopens the data connection.

qweac said:
Does the auto disconnect affect weather, twitter or facebook updates btw?
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Weather will be OK as it polls the server on a regular basis which reopens the data connection. I'm not sure about Twitter or FB- maybe having the programs open maintains the data connection?

shaliru said:
OK, emails have started arriving exactly the same time on my phone as my PC mail client now. I'm guessing the auto disconnect doesn't affect anything then.
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Everything works fine for now (push wise) but as NeilM mentioned, I don't think its compatible with autodisconnect. In notifications, it shows that the connection (T-mobile internet in my case) is still active. And when I hold the call end button and 'Terminate Data Connection' the connection is re-established again immediately.
To disable this constant connection, I've set it to download every 30 mins peak, and 60 mins off peak -
I've never used push email before but I'm guessing it creates a constant connection between the phone and the server.

shaliru said:
I've never used push email before but I'm guessing it creates a constant connection between the phone and the server.
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Thats correct- the phone sends a 'heartbeat' signal every so often (depending on the Exchange server settings, but usually every 15 minutes) just to refresh it's current IP address setting on the server. In practice, the IP address will rarely change as long as the data connection is maintained.
In this way, the server always knows where to send items as they arrive, and the action of sending resets the 'heartbeat' counter. Likewise any item sent from the phone resets the 'heartbeat'
The data involved in the heartbeat process is around 4MB per month, which is similar to the amount used in the handshaking when polling at 30 minute intervals.
If you have auto-disconnect active, then the server won't be able to send new items, so they will only get sent when a new connection is established by the heartbeat process, or when a connection is forced by a send/receive operation.

shaliru said:
I've set up my Gmail account using activesync (as item arrives) and all is well. However, I performed a few tests (sending emails to myself from other accounts) and noticed that the emails don't actually get to my phone immediately. They arrive immediately on the mail client on my PC but arrive about 10 minutes later on my HD2. Is this normal? If not, does the auto disconnect registry tweak I performed have anything to do with it. I'm guessing for mail to reach my phone as they arrive, some sort of constant connection is required with the google server. So does the auto disconnect tweak disrupt this connection? Also, is this constant connection drain the battery significantly quicker. I don't mind sacrificing a small amount of battery life for the push email feature, but if we're talking big drains then I might have to reconsider the sync frequencies.
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Well, on my device, the auto disconnect never worked.
I set the values
HKLM\Comm\ConnMgr\Planner\Settings\CacheTime=60
HKLM\Comm\ConnMgr\Planner\Settings\VPNCacheTime=60
and set SuspendResume=""
And all the auto-updates are off (weather, stocks, etc)
and still - once I start a connection (Mostly if I do it for waether update, but sometimes even from SkyFire), it stays on, until I turn it off from the settings.
(Is there anything I missed in the settings to enable auto disconnect ?)