I gave thought to the idea of using the Athena as a DVR - ability to record from external sources (TV, DVD, etc) in similar fashion to an Archos device etc.
Could someone with technical knowledge enlighten us about this possibility please?
Peace all over.
Im not certain of the devices capabilities, but I do know it sports the ability to be a USB host, and uses USB 2.0 and seems to have moderately quick internal data bandwidth coupled with a sizeable hardrive !! all this coupled with the fact that it has been done before as a Compact flash add on for any PDA with a CF slot !! and ultimately yes I think it is possible, and maybe even all that is required is a re-write of the BTwincap driver to allow many of the USB TV capture devices to run on win mobile instead of a normal computer.
ice_coffee said:
I do know it sports the ability to be a USB host, and uses USB 2.0
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The specs tell only about USB1.1 host. There is an USB2.0 chip in Athena
( http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=AthenaResearch ) but i guess it is used to connect the 8GB disk.
even USB 1.1 is more than good enough for 320X240 25 FPS video capture with stereo sound !!
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Would it be possible to connect a digital camera to the Jasjar so that I can send photos through my GPRS connection. Or does this require USB host capability (and thus a new ROM)?
Thanks!
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It's not possible, and as far as I know there's no software to emulate USB host.
Still, if you have some BT/IRDA fancy camera, you may send photos to your PDA.
Personally I take advantage of SD card camera, which is flash-card compatibile with PDAs. It may not be very quick (changing SDs) but it works
OK, unfortunately I already have a camera...I suppose I need to use a CF-->SD converter in the camera. Have you heard of a SD-->CF converter (I know it would be big and stick out...just curious).
Yep... it exists.
Just google for "cf sd adapter"
One example here:
http://www.directshopper.de/minolta-cf-sd-adapter_compact-flash_p
I saw some articles about USB Hosting on PDAs, and it took my attention very much, by this gate we can extend our Jam usage in variable ways, attaching USB flashdisks, HDs, digital cameras etc. Anyone has any idea on this issue ?
not possible. you need a usb host. the magician can only act as slave and not as host to a other device. not even with software because that's the way usb works. to keep cost low the chips for usb communication are mostly on a master and not the slave.
further more what could have been done is to connect both devices as slaves to a master and let it act as bridge (there are several devices that work that way) but since the magician doesn't support the mass storage device profile even this isn't possible.
Has anyone looked into this? With the audio now being output there, is there another pin carrying video that's yet undiscovered? Thanks.
nope no video out from what ive researched. even if there were, its qvga resolution so you are fairly limited.
you could your soti pocket controller to control your pda from your PC, you get a real time feed of you ppc on your pc.
hope this helps.
adios...
It is definitely possible to do it (even that I have no idea how).
Ateksoft has a program called WebCamera Plus which let you use your PDA as real-time webcam.
http://www.ateksoft.com/webcamplus.html
I'm using it on my TyTN and it works great.
using a pda or symbian smart phone as a webcam is possible as the software captures the straming video and transmits its as data packetrs via usb or BT to a PC, in which it is then decoded on the PC and the image/video stream from the camera is formed.
Actual video out (such as that accomplished with notebooks) via usb on the TYTN is another thing - from what I have read it might not be possible.
Anyone seen or tried the MicroSD version of this http://www.spectec.com.tw/sdv.htm ?
its really funny u askd this cus just last night b4 I went to bed, I wondered the same thing
I googled video out via usb and found a 60 dollar cable that converted from standard usb to s-video and audio and I'm sure theres mini-usb to usb converter
=) so hope that helps. I'd look it up but I have no 3g here at my parents lake house =/ I'm connectd over gsm, just got here. I get no umts at all and barely any gsm signal. this craps slow
I looked on the net for the Spectec Video-To-Go microSD Card and found it here
http://www.mobileplanet.com/p.aspx?i=139433&partner=froogle
It's $171.95. this would be great if I was still doing customer presentations.
Please note: This product does not convert the screen’s image into a VGA video signal. ... then what exactly does this do .. has me confused since some time ...
Also, these things require SDIO support .. not sure if TyTN got one ..
It'd be easy enough to emulate VGA on your device and use that for presentations, but your limitation is lack of an I/O to the graphic chip. As such, you're stuck with streaming the display data, which will be slow (for games), but perhaps perfectly fine for a slideshow.
Next prob though is the hardware - you can stream from device to device, but not stream from device to a (mini-usb) wire to a projector etc - at least the hardware issues are well beyond my experience.
A streaming projector might be a good solution. But all in, I think you're generally stuck for a cheap solution to outputing video over USB without a surrogate device in the middle. And if you're gonna have a surrogate, you might as well use that as the display device.
Check out nyditot for a VGA emulator.
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May I suggest a better way? Simply install PC-based Powerpoint viewer on storage card. That way you merely need to drop your card into an USB SD reader, connect the reader to any host PC, and run your presentation. I do this often and avoid traveling with my laptop.
-Jeff
One reason I've always disliked the Ateksoft solution is that it requires installation of Ateksoft magicry on the PC. A true webcam solution should simply make the PPC act like a dumb webcam, piping the audio and video to the USB. We've all experienced those cheap webcams which you just plug in to your USB port, and MSN or Yahoo or whatever can pick up the device as an audio/video webcam, no installation of drivers required.
Software which does for webcam what Softick does for USB mass storage is what I'm after...
You didn't say what you wanted by 'video out'.. but I can tell you there aren't any 'unused' pins in the USB pinout. They're all audio or usb data. If the TYTN supported usb on the go (which it doesn't seem to) then you might see it turn into a mass storage device or webcam easily..
But for the moment, no, theres no pins to tap a composite or vga signal off of. I highly doubt the device has such a chip on board.
eh, I wanted to output video to my car A/V system. since I can sync the video on my device to my media center, that would be the easiest way to take shows to my car. so the streaming or flash solutions really don't address the problem for me...thanks for all of the thinking on it, though
ditto here
JEM said:
eh, I wanted to output video to my car A/V system. since I can sync the video on my device to my media center, that would be the easiest way to take shows to my car. so the streaming or flash solutions really don't address the problem for me...thanks for all of the thinking on it, though
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That's the kinda stuff i've always wanted e.i. connecting my PDA to the SVideo Input of my car screen.
Seems "easy" to do with activesync, but seems to cause trouble because of the lack of video stream on usb pinout.
I'm just letting out an idea : Might be possible to emulate an activesync connection and capture the sreeen of the PDA and broadcast it out on svideo.
(don't ask, I don't even have a clue of how to do that)
SOTI Pocket controler and My Mobiler can do that, any chance someone find out a way ?
TY Guys, have fun
On WM5 has anyone been able to access USB devices like printer, Pendrive etc directly? Would be great to be able to print directly or access files from a USB memory stick.
Have heard of HP printer drivers for older versions of windows CE somewhere...
Using a usb device on the phone.
I know of no WM5 or WM6 phone for that matter that have a usb STACK on them that would allow them to use a usb device. They are designed to BE a usb device for a pc...not the other way around.
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I know of no WM5 or WM6 phone for that matter that have a usb STACK on them that would allow them to use a usb device. They are designed to BE a usb device for a pc...not the other way around.
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i think you are mistaken.. there are a couple new WM5 and/or 6 devices that have USB hosting support.. among them is the Athena, O2 Flame, and toshiba g900, and those WM devices exclusive from/for japan..
Yeah, it is the other device that must be able to read the PPC.
My stereo read my Tytn as a storage device. Can play music directly from the PPC. However it is the Stereo doing the recognizing job. Not the other way around.
I'd just like to clarify a few things:
1) USB has two sides - host and client and they are different by hardware and not just software so there is no "able" question here.
2) In cases like memory stick, printer etc. when your device uses what is connected to it, the phone must act as host. The reason there are few devices with USB host is mainly because to be fully implemented this standard must provide up to 500 mA current to the hosted device and of course thats a bug problem when working on battery.
(Any phone that does implement it, provides it "unpowered" so not all devices will work)
3) In cases where something is using your device like the stereo, the phone acts as a client so with the right piece of software (like WM5Storage) any phone can be used.
The fujitsu Pocket LOOX T810/830 can act as a USB hub.
Some devices have this capability but not a feature that is common.
Sam.
I'm really unqualified to discuss this in great detail, but why I got there was - I've read somewhere in these forums about Win95 emulators for ppc devices. Now if it could be possible to "emulate" just the USB stack portion of Win95, maybe, the ppc could be connected to devices like printers which would not require a powered USB connection.
That's all ...
Atul
emulating an os dont add new features to the hardware though
I am working on a project that required that we use a video camera that is external to the phone. We are looking at USB cameras and I was wondering if anyone knew of any solution that would allow us to use the external USB connected camera instead of the build in cameras on most phones.
Thanks.
guess not, for the same reason as mentioned in the below tread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=400616
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I am working on a project that required that we use a video camera that is external to the phone. We are looking at USB cameras and I was wondering if anyone knew of any solution that would allow us to use the external USB connected camera instead of the build in cameras on most phones.
Thanks.
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Are there SDIO cameras? Failing that, it might be possible to use a LAN based camera, and connect to it through WiFi...
Yep, there are some SDIO cameras available
http://images.google.pl/images?q=sd...pl:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi
Of course if the phone doesn't have a SD/MMC slot, only a miniSD one, it won't fit in. But i guess that wiring the camera to a miniSD-microSD adapter might work, since both these cards are essentially the same, and the only difference is the form factor.
There are also CF-based cameras, but i haven't seen a hone equipped with a CF slot for a while.
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Ye, there are some SDIO cameras available
http://images.google.pl/images?q=sd...pl:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi
There are also CF-based cameras, but i haven't seen a hone equied with a CF slot for a while.
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HTC Sedna has a CF slot as do many HP devices.
I thought some-one wrote a USB camera driver for windows mobile?
http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS7191593413.html
I expect you are going to need a certain amount of expertise to use it.
Surur
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I thought some-one wrote a USB camera driver for windows mobile?
http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS7191593413.html
I expect you are going to need a certain amount of expertise to use it.
Surur
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Windows CE 5.0 USB Webcam
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Although WM and WinCE use the same basic code, WinCE has USB host functionality in most implementations, WM does not.
Thanks for the input.
Here are follow up questions:
- Are there any devices running WM5 or 6 that implement (in hardware) USB Host?
- Assuming that a WM5/6 device with the right HW can be found (see question above), how big of a job would it be to develop a driver for an external USB camera (assuming I might already have the code for a Windows 2000 / XP / Vista one)?
Txs
Most of the FSC Loox devices have an USB-Host.
I have a Loox 720 and a Loox N560 with this function.
Also the Toshiba G900 (and maybe also other Gx00 models) does have a host USB. But i have no idea about how hard would it be to get a webcam working on it.
ya i dont have any idea about it if we doo it better clint it like this