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have Qtek 1010 in Hungary.
ROM version: 3.14.06 ENG
ROM date: 10/01/02
Radio version: 3.07
Model No.: PW10A1
Possibly upgrade my PDA with the ROM 3.16.13 ENG and Radio 3.19.01 or not ?
After the upgrade working my PDA or not ?
What's new that new version ?
Why need the upgrade ?
Sorry but I'm begginer.
Already posted in another thread:
The image can be downloaded on the first site...
however, I have just reflashed my XDA/MDA with the older irish ROM, it has plenty more features than this one, GPRS standby and ISDN call type.
Don't trust the version numbers
in other words, get yourself the irish update (3.15.15 & 4.16)
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in other words, get yourself the irish update (3.15.15 & 4.16)
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So why dont u just give a link too the files so he can try for himself..
1) I usually post from XDA, I wont search a page like that one to find him a link
2) a man of average intelligence can find the link himself, if not, he can mail someone
p.s. I've mistaken Irish update for a Dutch one, sorry, just keep looking for 3.15.15 & 4.16 versions
My Qtek works great with the new ROM.
Now ROM: 3.16.13 ENG and RADIO: 3.19.01
Thanks
My Qtek works great with the new ROM.
Now ROM: 3.16.13 ENG and RADIO: 3.19.01
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Guys, why are you all upgrading your devices so furiously? What are the advantages/benefits of the (different) upgrades? Any disadvantages? Is there any possible interference between the GSM company and the new upgraded PPC?
So, should I upgrade my plain vanilla Qtek 1010 (it sports the provided v3.15.09ENG for ROM and v3.07 for Radio) too?
many thanks,
[den]
If you only use GPRS and not ISDN Dial up profile..I find that i get better stability and thruput with the 3.19/3.16 upgrade...one of the guys here from CZ will tell you not to try it because its [email protected] i find it to be more stable and you may find the qtek upgrade better for your qtek..it has also improved the batt life on mine (me Mega big caller 3+ hours a day...)
upto you mate.. 8)
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upto you mate.. 8)
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Thanks buddy, yesterday I called my operator company if there is an official ROM upgrade, and the tech guys said, that there is one on the way (and there is good chance, that it will be MMS capable too), so I wait (god, I hate waiting ), and try to keep away myself from the dl-ed juicy-sweet ROMs.
Time will tell if it was worth or not.
[den]
NoBackUp said:
If you only use GPRS and not ISDN Dial up profile..I find that i get better stability and thruput with the 3.19/3.16 upgrade...one of the guys here from CZ will tell you not to try it because its [email protected] i find it to be more stable and you may find the qtek upgrade better for your qtek..it has also improved the batt life on mine (me Mega big caller 3+ hours a day...)
upto you mate.. 8)
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3.19/3.16 totally rocks! I used to be unable to stay connected on MSN Messenger (and other messenger services), but after upgrading everything is just super. Instead of being disconnected every couple of minutes, I can now stay online for hours.
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3.19/3.16 totally rocks! I used to be unable to stay connected on MSN Messenger (and other messenger services), but after upgrading everything is just super. Instead of being disconnected every couple of minutes, I can now stay online for hours.
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Dont speack too loudly or Zviratko will flame you as well as he has told me on more than one reply that 3.19/316 is [email protected] and only his update version are cool...but i am with you I am vereeeeeeeeeeeeeey pleased with the update...my 1010 dont crash or hang any more ! and the GPRS improvments are way cooooool...
Cheers..
This update is OK it does things your previous ancient version hasn't been capable of...
what I was saying is, that the "older" one, offers the same PLUS some more functions
If I'm not mistaken, this version is not SIM-Toolkit enabled mine is that's what counts for me because I use it for GSM Banking
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This update is OK it does things your previous ancient version hasn't been capable of...
what I was saying is, that the "older" one, offers the same PLUS some more functions
If I'm not mistaken, this version is not SIM-Toolkit enabled mine is that's what counts for me because I use it for GSM Banking
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A search on Google gives that GSM Banking seems to be something that is limited to countries in the eastern parts of Europe, Balkan and possibly Italy and Spain. So until it reaches the banks and service providers in Sweden I'll go for the latest version, SIM-Toolkit or not.
as I already said...
1) Don't trust version numbers
2) Don't trust release date
3.16.16 is OLDER than 3.15.15
HTC releases updates and gives them to the OEM manufacturers (O2, Qtek, T-Mobile and other telecoms). Then it's up to the manufacturer to modify and distribute this image.
Apparently, O2 implemented a more recent version from HTC in their older update.
And Qtek implemented an older version... but released it later.
Is that clear?
I am in no way arguing about how-it's-useful-for-you. If you don't need SIM toolkit, don't need ISDN, don't need the other functions, it doesn't matter which version you use.
But for most people, it is better to flash the new version than the old one.
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as I already said...
1) Don't trust version numbers
2) Don't trust release date
3.16.16 is OLDER than 3.15.15
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Hmmm.... What proof do you have for this other than the missing SIM Toolkit and ISDN? Is there an internal version number or date? Or how do you know?
To me it makes perfect sense not to include the SIM Toolkit in a ROM upgrade for Scandinavia. And I don't know how and when I would use the ISDN mode as in Sweden I always use GPRS, so that may also be market specific.
Please enlighten me!
ISDN is a digital data call. If you call to a digital device/service (Typicaly Wap gateway) it's much more stable with digital call than analogue one(and a bit faster).
GPRS is just another option.
Proof? No proof I've tried, I've seen, I got rid of it
I don't think Qtek has engineers for hacking SIM toolkit out, they just released an older version. That's all.
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ISDN is a digital data call. If you call to a digital device/service (Typicaly Wap gateway) it's much more stable with digital call than analogue one(and a bit faster).
GPRS is just another option.
Proof? No proof I've tried, I've seen, I got rid of it
I don't think Qtek has engineers for hacking SIM toolkit out, they just released an older version. That's all.
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How about this for a thought: The ROM images are not delivered to the OEM:s as images but as a collection of modules with the possibility to add or remove things before they are compiled into an image. The version number tells you the version of the core of the image, which is common to all distributions. This would make it possible for each vendor to include market specific packages while keeping the core functionality the same and could also explain why you find more functionality in an older package from one vendor than in a newer package from another.
BTW, with a full WAP/HTML browser on your phone is there really a need for the SIM Toolkit app? Doesn't SIM toolkit just make it possible to reach wap-sites using a browser on the sim if the phone lacks a browser?
No, SIM toolkit is basicaly an application which handles service SMSes. For example I have a SIM toolkit menus of Info&Entertainment, M-Payment and M-Bank. Each one allows me to choose a service through a menu (Like Info&Entertainment->Foreign news->Subscribe allows me to subscribe to a category to be delivered daily) all without the need of knowing where and what to send (without SIM toolkit I'd have to send "ZPR D" to 7777 as an SMS). M-Banking handles more things like receiving authorization SMS from my bank etc.
SIM service may be used to reach wap sites in the mean of choosing a category (Like on Eurotel CZ giving category "Juice" with links on a WAP site), but it still needs external browser to launch.
I was thinking it was modular with a common core, but I haven't seen anything that was more recent than I have in the "newer" version. And I don't see reason to not implement something if it was there.
And you are still misusing words "newer" and "older". 3.16 is "new" release of an "old" version. 3.15.15 is newer, but was released earlier. First ROM version (in beta versions) were actually 4.x
Btw. Pocket IE is not a full WAP browser, it doesn't handle wap APN, wap gateways and WMLProxies. It just handles WML (which is in fact a simplier HTML)
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ISDN is a digital data call. If you call to a digital device/service (Typicaly Wap gateway) it's much more stable with digital call than analogue one(and a bit faster).
GPRS is just another option.
Proof? No proof I've tried, I've seen, I got rid of it
I don't think Qtek has engineers for hacking SIM toolkit out, they just released an older version. That's all.
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AFIK
1) Qtek is just a reseller the IMAGE comes direct from HTC as Qtek is not an operator so its just an indirect brand of HTC.
2) ISDN Dial up does not use SWITCHED PACKET, which means that your Digital/Analogue comparison is correct but has nothing to do with GPRS, due to the fact that in ISDN dial up mode you are paying for the a) connection time b) throughput is limited to one traffic bearer i.e. 9.6 d) setup can not occur if all traffic channels of a base are BUSY c) in GPRS you only pay for the data transferred
3) SIM toolkit is really only useful on dumb phones without full browser or where the carrier adds additional services which they want to be easily accessed via a menu on the phone. No terrible relevant if I have a full Browser and my Bank has a proper portal.
And I guess that some one in Germany could say that its bad that the Qtek/MDA does not support HSCD which is a cheaper form of Always on (I don’t know if the xda supports this or not, but in my market it aint present)
Don’t forget that updates from O2 or TMobile will be better for their networks as they will more closely match features available on that network/market, whilst Qtek is an independent supplier. Who have to cater for products being used here in Dubai and in Sweden to name but a few.
OH and here is one for the road...in most advanced networks WAP is dead due to the fact that after the initial Hype the consumer moved quickly on to smartphones with real browsers...
I have a feeling you don't know what you're talking about
1) Wap is not dead (yet)
2) Qtek does have to do some branding because of the startup screen.
3) I know what the difference between dial-up and GPRS is, I test it for a mobile carrier! I don't know why you're talking about it...
4) it's not HSCD but HSCSD (High speed circuit switched data), and it's WAY better and faster than GPRS. And it has NOTHING in common with always on. ISDN and analogue data calls are CSD Calls (Circuit switched data) with one timeslot shared for upstream and downstream. HSCSD is Hight speed, it bonds several timeslots together like GPRS does, but it doesn't do that dynamicaly but per-call. GPRS is usually charged for data, HSCSD and CSD are charged per minute.
5) There is no added functionality in T-Mobile ROMs. It's the same as for O2. Just branded with another startup screen and less links to their (expensively paid) services. (this applies for europe)
Go play with kiddos and leave this stuff to techies
You really make me upset :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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I have a feeling you don't know what you're talking about
2) Qtek does have to do some branding because of the startup screen.
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oooooooooo and who puts the Startup screen on the iPaq...Compaq...me thinks not...no they order it from HTC built that way...thats why HTC is called a ODM !
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3) I know what the difference between dial-up and GPRS is, I test it for a mobile carrier! I don't know why you're talking about it...
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You Dont Seem to Show it...
BTW I used to be part of one of the ETSI working groups dreaming this stuff up...
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4) ISDN and analogue data calls are CSD Calls (Circuit switched data) with one timeslot shared for upstream and downstream.
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Exactly One TIME slot can only pass so much data ....in both GPRS and HSCSD Multi slots are used 4+1 ect so how can 1+1 be faster...
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HSCSD is Hight speed, it bonds several timeslots together like GPRS does, but it doesn't do that dynamicaly but per-call. GPRS is usually charged for data, HSCSD and CSD are charged per minute.
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Exactly thats why GPRS is better than paying for your connection time...! and also in the event that the cell is near saturaion GPRS can still provide truput....and not stop others from using voice cct, thats why carriers prefer it cause they can make dual use of the same traffic bearers... as multi subscribers can share the resource !...
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5) There is no added functionality in T-Mobile ROMs. It's the same as for O2. Just branded with another startup screen and less links to their (expensively paid) services. (this applies for europe)
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eeeeeeeh You were trying to make the point that the non qtek version is the best because of the additional features now you are saying thats not true ...strange...!!
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Go play with kiddos and leave this stuff to techies
You really make me upset :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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....No pesonal atacks only shows who is kiddie like...
seems to me alot of pepole here are agreeing that the 3.16/3.19 is ok for them ...you seem always as soon as some one comments on how good they find it...your right in there telling them that they are mistaken...how can so many people be so wrong...you even flamed the guy who said
"To me it makes perfect sense not to include the SIM Toolkit in a ROM upgrade for Scandinavia. And I don't know how and when I would use the ISDN mode as in Sweden I always use GPRS, so that may also be market specific.
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You still argue that
"But for most people, it is better to flash the new version than the old one."
Why ? he is happy
In another thread you mis quote your self twice and give inccorect information on the update that for you is so cool, leaving the reader not knowing if its the dutch or the irish update that they should take....
me thinks you should cool down and stop just commenting for the sake of saying something...
First off XDA Dev forum rocks! I think it is so great that so many people have really helped every level of user. I believe this is truly the best-run forum on the net. XDA developer Peter Poelman, Jeff S., Lance, and I'm sure I'm leaving someone(s) out, please don't take it personally (God I feel like I'm giving an Oscars speech). No really, these guys are great! It's always nice to see a virtual community that actually works like a community. Anyways Tits Up! to ya all :lol: I hope that wasn't inappropriate I mean it is a real expression...... ...I think? :shock:
OK back to my experience so far:
(Theses experiences are based on a Previously US T-Mo PPCPE device with the ATT wireless SX56 latest Radio Stack running obviously WME2003 on US Cingular's Network. As a side note I think we should encourage people making posts for help or in general to start each post with your location, country, service provider, device variant, & ROM+Radio info. This sounds like a lot but these things really aid troubleshooting. Not to mention many of these things can be the thing that makes someone go :idea: I know the answer to that one! Anyway just a thought)
a.) I don't mind all the name changes, win CE, Handheld PC, Pocket PC + 1 and a 1/2 incarnations, and now WME. Just as long as it doesn't get changed to The Operating System Formerly Known As :roll:
b.) If you are having trouble with ring tones this is what I experienced. After using the add ringtone app in setting my ring tones wouldn't show up once I went to the phone app to change the ring tone it was not their. I then snooped around and found some differences.
1.) 2003 ring tones (ROM) are actually .wma files or have that extension
2.) Strangely these files differentiate from regular .wav files by having a space after the name (i.e. ringtonfilename .wma verses ringtonfilename.wma or ringtonfilename.wav) I am not sure this is how the OS tells the diff.
3.) Even weirder now everything works as it should space no space, use +ringtone app, or direct copy file to Rings folder in \windows DIR. So, if you're having problems try adding the space and putting it in the windows directory folder then once it shows up move it back to the rings folder and all should be well. Haven't toyed with .midi ring tones or polyphonic ringtones yet.
c.) If you want .wav files to show up in the sounds & notification / notifications tab just name the beginning of the file with Alarm i.e. Alarmwavfilename.wav and put it in the \Windows DIR folder and their you have it. I use Looney Toons TAZ talking when I get a new SMS as an example. AlarmTAZ.wav
d.) There seems to be a lot of stuff left over from the old OS if that is possible, or I'm not sure why it would be included as duplicates or not used by .Net 4.2x
Under Settings:
I have 2 power icons under settings. They both seem to work fine except one uses a newer Icon and is missing hyperlinks to other apps. I wonder if 4.2 see both but not the key that has the hyper links. Might be fixable. I'd suggest delete one of the keys but not before figuring out adding a new value for the hyper links. I still don't quite understand the registry. I have no computer training just self-taught and now have hard resetting down to blind folded, underwater and in my sleep :lol:
(If anyone understands the registry please PM me I have some interesting ideas I’d like to try that could benefit everyone )
Auto Config icon links no where.
Device Information doesn't get all the information right.
Other stuff that seems to do nothing but is present
\Windows\Cookies
\Windows\History
\Windows\Temporary Internet Files
\Windows\www
[I think these files were added by the developer of this beta to aid the team/soft dev/beta testers familiar with the old layout. I don't think this is the raw WME2003 OS (could be wrong). I would love to get my hands on that, incase service providers tweak & load junk on their that make the device work the way "they" want it to and not what it "is" capable of doing.]
These all now live in (with the exception of the last) in a new location that gets used (with new sub folders called content.IE5 & history.IE5) \Windows\Profiles\guest\
You'll need to know this if you wish to move the location of your temp internet files to be stored on your SD or MMC card. (p.s. don't delete your index file when manually deleting files in these folder it does not remake itself on warm boot. This may not be the case any more)
Also, you may want to download & install VBruntime for pocket pc 2003 from MS. I looked all over and for the life of me I can not find the file to post the link, but don't worry once you do anything that requires it I was prompted to download it by the OS :shock: 8)
e.) Also under \Application Data\Volatile\ DIR & \profiles\default\ DIR these don't seem to serve any function either.
That's about it for the oddities, of course there's the snooze hangs your device alarm bug. Not sure if that's going to be so easily fixed might be vibrate option related? Haven't toyed yet.
Also, radio signal display isn't all that accurate. Signal still the same, just not displayed as accurately.
OK now on to the cool stuff! (I'll just focus on the functionality issues as not to repeat too much that we already have in the forum:
f.) True Class B GPRS (Strange seems to be OS side not GSM Radio Side, as I didn't upgrade the Radio Stack :?: )
Always on + True GPRS Suspend feature! (I can't believe I waited over a year! for this common basic function :evil: and MANY people out their are still! waiting. I'm surprised this device even did as well as it did given this was already a feature in Bluetooth phone+PDA combos. I almost took it back to the store the day I bought it (Like all the handheld computers in my PDA graveyard from Casio Boss-Sharp-1st CE-Psion-RIMBlackberry-HPC both form factors-PPC, I must be the first to have it! I'm ill that way :roll: early adopter is a light term :shock: )
g.) Today Plug-in big improvement Calendar gives you a heads up the next appointment down the road (you'll either love this or hate it & it's not an option so hope for the first)
Inbox plug-in shows all your accounts SMS+All email accounts. Taping on the specific account launches that account 8)
h.) Pac-Man anyone just go to \Windows\Pac-Man.exe and copy via file explorer into your \Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Games and Tap & Hold select paste shortcut. Then Tap & Hold rename and get rid of "shortcut"
i.) Inbox rocks now almost Blackberry like functionality (sort of) When you set up a new account their is an option to check called connect & check for messages every "" minutes. Max value is only 60min not so good if you’re trying to watch kb charges or battery life. But the really cool part is it really works. Even if you ready for this kids 8) DO NOT have a current data connection it will at the appointed interval launch a data connection and run! :shock: way 8) This will take place even if the devise is turned off, but requires inbox to be open and I think on the top (not running in the background a stupid MS bug. Not the case when the device is on will run in the background)
Now for the things I do hate :x :
Once again Microsoft just blows me away in their omission of a function that is so obvious, basic and expected and just cripples the device at the point of it's "Main" cool sell factor (i.e. data connection killed on power off, data connection terminated on call dial/receive) that I just can't believe it :shock: The moment the little thought ran through my head "Oh, #%[email protected]! I might have to wait a year for this tiny #%[email protected] pivotal bug to get worked out I almost threw my device out the window I was so pissed :x :evil: So hear it is and your not going to believe it:
The inbox as stated above works awesome, very automated, great, etc, but if you have more that one email account it will ONLY auto connect and check the one that is on top! Even worse, if your SMS account is on top wont check any of your email accounts :shock: I just cant believe it all that functionality and just like before...Up the dirt path! :shock: What were they thinking? I don't think this is going to be fixed by any of the operators. I'd be curious if the non Phone Edition WME2003 has this same roadblock? Two little things; work in the background on or off, and check all accounts. Makes sense the app has to be open.
One last OMG can't believe it MSN Messenger is very flakey with GPRS Suspend sessions. Meaning sometimes it does not reconnect and other times it does. The problem is you will have no idea unless you go look to see, at this point...What's the point? Defeats the whole purpose. Again, these are most likely on the MS side not likely to be fixed by the service providers
I recommend copying the tmail.lnk file located in \Windows\ to \Windows\StartUp\
One cool thing you might really want to do :
This is a must have http://www.phm.lu/Products/PocketPC/RegEdit/ for the following:
It seems many people like to program their voicemail password in with the voicemail number so it gets entered automatically. I, like many others, initially tried adding the p's to the number in Start, Settings, Phone, Voicemail but after a soft reset the p's change to 0's.
The following seems to work on an SX56 with AT&T Wireless and T-Mobile. This involves editing the registry, if you're not careful you can break things requiring a hard reset. You might want to do a backup through ActiveSync before trying this. I'm not responsible if you break it.
If you don't already have it, download and install a registry editor. The one from PHM (www.phm.lu/products) seems to work great.
Open the registry editor.
Navigate to \HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Vmail
Edit the PhoneNumber key to include your voicemail access number, pauses (use "p"), and your password.
Edit the RegOverridesSIM to 1, instead of 0.
Close the registry editor.
Soft reset the device.
Go to SpeedDial and verify your voicemail number includes the pauses and password.
After this, do not go into the Voicemail settings, ie. where it says "Reading settings from network...". Doing so will reset the RegOverridesSIM key and you'll have to do it again.
Hope this helps someone out.
Source: PocketPCPassion user boostaddict
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Mike Collins
thank you mike for this tip now it gets a little trick on 2003 here's why. In the \HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Vmail there is no RegOverridesSIM key beleive it or not I a non-programmer am going to teach you anyone how to write a registry key :shock: (only for this instance! It's probably not really this easy. I had no idea what I was doing. Just guessed right the first time, shew!) OK kids here we go (doing this wrong may well destroy the very fabric of our 4 dimensional universe or.....It'll just #%[email protected] up your machine :roll: ):
\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Vmail
Then from edit on the command bar select "New DWORD Value"
Value Name: RegOverridesSIM
Value data: 1
Base: Decimal
Hit OK
Now go to Phone Number 1 Edit your phone number to include your pauses and password or what not under
Value Data
and hit OK
Exit the program (Close It not minimize)
Soft Reset your device and that's it!
OK enough my conclusion (To WME2003 or SER1.2 or not):
If you read this post and said "#%[email protected]! me, do I really need to know all that?! :evil: I just want my device to work. (You want a stable reliable device, and never look under the hood of your own car. Oil what's that? you get the idea :mrgreen
Also if you are counting kb (GPRS data) and only connect for information, for fun, or not more than 5+ times a day
Then Go with SER1.1 or 1.2 both excellent very well done and way stable. Nice job guys 8)
If you are not counting kb, you really "need" connectivity 24hrs a day (other than the novelty factor i.e. I do wireless & software consulting for corporations in the US wanting to go wireless or paperless, and I provide Technical support via IM clients. Now imagine how free "I" become being able to be truly mobile :shock: This is what wireless is really all about baby! I'm also an Actor here in Los Angeles...no really it just sounds like a joke :lol: )
don't mind getting your hands dirty, tinkering under the hood, or every time someone give you back your phone after looking at it you caress and utter under your breath "My Preeeeeciouse...."
Then go with WME2003
Hope this helps.
P.s. If there are any programmers for CE4.2 out there I have some ideas specific to these devices and I have the resources to get these ideas to companies and the entertainment industry. The demand is getting stronger, the future is being realized in business, and right now my hands are tied to what already is. Not, what should be. Big difference, even bigger market.
Funny thing, the PHM registry editor was already in my windows directory so I am guessing it is part of the ROM image to begin with. Since this is a developer ROM image I can see the need for this. Can anyone else confirm this so I can stop wondering whether or not I installed PHM in my sleep and didn't know about it.
I did the double wammy, I installed the ATT SX56 update and then immediately MW2003 on my T-Mobile PPC. Bad move, sort of. My GPRS signal was MIA for a good 80-90% of the time after that after the 2003 install. Maybe it was the network but I thought it was funny that all of a sudden after several months of almost no downtime I start having connection problems after updating the radio stack. After a couple days of this I decided to revert back to the ATT SX56 rom. So far my signal is back to what it should be.
I have to conclude it is the 2003 ROM and the type of SIM or coverage in my area. Voicestream showed up as the carrier under 2003, but under 2002 it shows as T-Mobile. Is this the case for all T-Mobile users I wonder? I wish I could figure out why my GPRS wasn't working under 2003 but until then I will stick with what I have at this point. At least I can rule out the radio stack upgrade as the problem.
Uninterupted GPRS with Thunderhawk will have to suffice for now.
If you are sticking with 2003 I envy you. Even with this pre-release version of the OS I can see definite speed increases with games, so I am guessing it across the board too.
Thanks for XDA Developers and Jeff for their contributions and more importantly time to this community.
@ ottoman3
Yes that is the case with my unit, in the LA basin, too.
But I really don't mind if it says Voicestream or T-Mobile, my service here reports Cingular :shock: since they share network and towers in the area. And yes PHM Registry edit is on the ROM, with some other Registry thing, Wallaby (xda) stress test tool and PacMan
I'm sticking with it, because I like the experience, see
http://www.xda-developers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1649
I have no need for Blackberry-style email, in fact I *like* the fact that I can control email flow (manually yes but it's ok 4 me).
The +'s outweigh the -'s in my case, ymmv :wink:
PHM Registry is indeed in the 2003 ROM. But it is v0.2 instead of the latest v0.7
ottoman3
PHM reg edit in ROM I decided to encourage people to use the latest version, but old one works just fine too.
The other reg edit tool is manual (I think kind of like a command line registry edit)
If you'd like please post what device hardware you are running (who you bought it from) and upgrade revisions i.e. Here's what I did. Started with latest t-mo ROM & Radio from US T-Mo website, then successfully (no bumps) updated to AT&T latest ROM & Radio, then updated (with a few hangs, simply solved by pulling the device from the cradle closing the desktop session putting the device back in the cradle and running set up again. Never soft or hard reset my device. The upgrade program sees where you left off and picks up from there) SERv1.1, Then successfully upgraded just the ROM image to WME2003.
My radio rom combo works fine - being quite temperamental from time to time. Radio seems to be fine, just rom temperamental.
Couple of things:
I assume your phone was SIM Unlocked, if so it will show the actual network provider for the tower you are using. If your device is SIM locked to a certain network provider AT&T or T-Mo it usually only shows that provider unless you are roaming. Voicestream is the old name T-Mo is the new name so maybe some locations still ID as VS. Where are you located? Like vagelis said CA, New York, and I think one other allow these two providers to sell service in areas they were not in.
Once you upgraded successfully to ATT ROM did you soft reset allow the radio to register on the network, connect to GPRS and then did the 2003 update? Just curious. Shouldn't make a difference but when handshaking with networks it might want to log the IMEI number or something first. Just guessing:?
Usually if you are able to connect to GPRS some of the time and not other it is not necessarily on the device side. That usually denotes an operator problem.
And vagelis what's a matter with you :wink: not wanting instant or timely email notification! No really, I understand there are two opinions to everything one is mine the other is wrong :roll:
I just wish they would have not stopped short, seems like a simple yet obvious ooophs .
One last thing, if you want email notification without incurring data costs, try the following:
Open a hotmail account, go to alerts tab, and set up alerts via SMS to your cellular phone number you.
Then at your POP3 account home simply set up “forward copy of mail” received (not all POP3 services allow this and HTML services do not allow forward to another account) to your new hotmail inbox. Now you will know via an SMS message that you need to “Manually” check your Inbox on your device. It also includes the subject line in the SMS but not the body of text incase you decide it’s not important enough to check right now. If you already use a HTML mail account most of the major ones have SMS alerts for email. So, you will know when you have to log-on and sign in to your mailbox.
I followed the upgrade path pretty much the same as you erickbryce minus the Dev 1.1 upgrade. I went from the latest T-Mobile rom to the latest ATT SX56 rom. Reset the device, signed onto my service, played with GPRS just to see what uninterupted GPRS was really like. It said T-Mobile with the ATT rom so I know it had something to do with MW2003. I then upgraded to MW2003. Then it went downhill from there.
I bought my PPC phone last August from CompUSA so I am guessing it is the unlocked version. I just read a very interesting thread over at PPCPassion about someone getting their SIM replaced with a new one from T-Mobile and their Voicestream idenitification changed back to T-Mobile and their GPRS improved greatly. It sounds just like my situation. And since my phone was purchased right around the time Voicestream changed over to T-Mobile maybe something was left behind on the SIM. I never really followed up on GSM and SIM technology to know what exactly is stored on these cards outside of Account information. I will see if I can get my SIM replaced with a new one and try MW2003. I really miss the speed boost.
Thanks for your input and suggestions.
Can you give a little more detail on the "Then it went downhill from there" part? :lol:
The GPRS connection went downhill from there. Sorry for not being too clear with that statement. It started out okay, then for the next several days I pretty much was never able to establish a connection. It must have been connected with MW2003 because my connection was dead prior to returning to the ATT rom. 10 minutes later after the upgrade my GPRS came back. It has been solid ever since.
Hmm very interesting
Just wondering did you try the new SIM card solution yet? I am just very interested now to see if swapping the SIM makes GPRS work now. The curious thing is, it worked then didn't :evil: . If your provider disable some provisioning on their end changing the SIM will only load the same provisions on your account as before on the new SIM. Please let me know and ask your service provider why this would work if it does. Always learning, so would like to know. :idea:
Hi all,
We just released a new dialer (freeware) which you can download from Handango. You can download from
http://www.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?productId=152403
Features included in KikkerDialer are:
- The most advanced number dialing system which allows for entry by number panel or keyboard, editing, insertion, copy / paste, etc
- Intuitive and simple UI providing the main functions of a phone such as contacts, dial, access to special characters (e.g. the + sign for international dialing)
- A user interface for selecting contacts which mimicks the most intuitive methods for selecting contacts such as those used within standard mobile phones such as Nokia, Sony Ericsson, etc
- Synchronisation with contacts database (mobile, work, home)
- Extremely fast and responsive to use
- Access to the Windows Mobile clipboard for copy / paste
Feedback welcomed. Enjoy.
Kikker Interactive
I'm sorry, but I really don't see what is so special about this software. Maybe I have got it wrong, but I would say that D9 is better than this, and PhonePlus is much better. I don't want to scroll to the letter J every time I want to call my friend John, and so on.
Copy and paste is nice, but where is the T9 contact selection as in D) and PhonePlus, I think that is a great feature.
The fact that this diealer resembles old standard GSM phones is of no interest.
Sorry for only giving bad feedback, but then again, I might haven't found the cool features.
nteresting… just tried this
First comment - good to see another free dialer out there given what shipped with the jam.
ave only tried this for abt 15 minutes but like it very much so far. Is a lot faster than D9 (my only complaint with that software – I have ~ 1,000 contacts in my jam and the UI is v unresponsive). The thing I like with this new dialer too is the editable text field which seems to be missing on most other apps out there. The ability to edit a number before a call (e.g. insert +44 if not already in international prefix), insert a digit when you have entered incorrectly, etc is just what I was after. Would be nice to see call history in there too btw.
Intuitive and simple UI providing the main functions of a phone such as contacts, dial, access to special characters (e.g. the + sign for international dialing) --->Cool... :wink:
Crashed on my WWE Qtek S100 .. when I try to call ..
Carlis
Hi Carlis,
In the first few hours of release, the first installer required you to have OpenNETCF on your device. It seems not so many people have this so we fixed this issue and now you no longer need this on your device.
You should uninstall the KikkerDialer and run the the new installer file (now setup.exe - ~2MB), downloadable from the same location at Handango. Please give this a go and let us know if any probs - [email protected]
Best rgds,
Kikker Interactive
I'm surprised all of you think different than me, but I will give it another try, I guess. I still don't think it can compare with PhonePlus with all the features it has, but then again it's freware.
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Cant downlod the Setup.exe, it still downloads the setup.msi, is this the right version? I'm getting the same crash. Can someone post it here?
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Cant downlod the Setup.exe, it still downloads the setup.msi, is this the right version? I'm getting the same crash. Can someone post it here?
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for me the download link does not work at all. Page cannot be displayed.
Well, I downloaded the MSI-file from handandgo. Now in can run on my T-Mobile MDA Compact but when I try to dial, it crashes:
KikkerDialer.exe
TypeLoadException
Failed to load type OpenNETCF.Notification.Led from OpenNETCF.Notification, Version=1.2.3346.0, Culture-neutral, PublicKey Token= 30C767B29D52D6E6
Can it be fixed? I wanted to test this application concerning tone dial (DTMF sending).
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Hi Carlis,
In the first few hours of release, the first installer required you to have OpenNETCF on your device. It seems not so many people have this so we fixed this issue and now you no longer need this on your device.
You should uninstall the KikkerDialer and run the the new installer file (now setup.exe - ~2MB), downloadable from the same location at Handango. Please give this a go and let us know if any probs - [email protected]
Best rgds,
Kikker Interactive
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Hi
Thank´s for the answer...
but .. hm .. its not an exe on the same location .. its still the MSI ..
Carlis
ZeroXtreme, 718 & Carlis - Our apologies - we actually meant to the setup.MSI - the file you see up there is the right one (it is not an .exe).
However, seems some of you are still getting a runtime issue on your devices. We suspect this is due to a missing DLL - but cannot replicate your issue right this moment. We've just received some more devices now tho and are retesting. Will post a response here shortly. Feel free to email us directly in the meantime.
Iggy - the handango site must have been having problems. You should try again.
Kikker Interactive
Beta testing - never easy. I'm having enough trouble and bugs beta testing Mobi Dial 2.5 right now, so I'll think I'll pass on this one. Someone let me know when there actually is a legit, ergonomically competent and STABLE replacement dialer out there.
OK thank you all for your patience.
Our new devices arrived and we were able to replicate the issue that some of you were having. This has now been solved with a new version of the setup.msi (now named setup_20050202.msi as Handango doesn't seem to allow overwriting).
You can either download the new app from Handango (http://www.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?productId=152403) or we've also hosted it at http://69.20.6.190/KikkerDialer/setup_20050202.msi for your convenience.
If you don't want to go through the process of download + installing the 2MB file again, there is an easier way for those of you who already have the previous version installed. Please follow the steps here:
1. Quit the KikkerDialer
2. Download two dll's http://69.20.6.190/KikkerDialer/OpenNETCF.Notification.dll and http://69.20.6.190/KikkerDialer/OpenNETCF.Phone.dll
3. Copy both files to \Program Files\KikkerDialer on your device (or wherever you installed the dialer)
4. Restart the app
Any problems - please let us know. Again, apologies for the false start for some of you. From those who were not affected however, we had some v positive feedback and to repay all your efforts, will add some more features within the next few weeks
Kikker Interactive
Yes, with the dlls you provided the program starts okay. However, I failed to dial DTMF tones. Sometimes it is necessary to dial extention or enter a PIN-code. Such a pitty!
Exelent .. thx.. it now works on a Swedish WWE Qtek s100 without need of the extra dll´s ..
Only thing that is missing .. DTMF codes .. to use bank transactions and so..
When they ask for my account nr .. and I press the keys.. nothing happends..
And finaly .. how to replace the old dailer hardware keys.. Green and Red phone keys to be using Ur dailer.. it still actiavte the old one..
Best Regards Carlis
Hi - ok glad we got all the installer issues cleared up.
Yep - DTMF tones are not supported currently. As users of the software, here is what we do:
- Make the call using KikkerDialer
- When prompted to enter PIN (etc), press the green call button and the standard windows dialer will appear
- Type in your code using this interface
This works fine against all systems. Obviously not as intuitive. We are however, working on building in DTMF into our next release and have made some progress so far but won't ship till its ready. At the same time, we'll try to address the issue of how to bind KikkerDialer to the green call button.
Keep giving us your feedback in the meantime, v useful.
Best rgds,
Kikker Interactive
Would you manage dialing DTMF tones, you'll be great! But please note that the standard Windows dialer do not work correctly with the DTMF tones. There is something wrong with the duration of the tone, as I suppose. So with that dialer I often reach wrong extention or dial wrong number.
First of all thank you for the freeware.
in spite that, I dont think I would throw phoneplus away yet which serves my every needs.
But it is nice to see some developers trying to give some fight to proffesionals.
Thanks for all your comments. We're still working on getting a v1.0 out there shortly and the latest is good news. From the latest development version of the KikkerDialer, we now have full control of all the JAM buttons such as the direction pad middle button (to select contacts), the green dial button (to open the dialer and make calls), etc. This feature alone allows for complete one handed usage of the dialer (i.e. no stylus).
Now focus remains on adding:
- Call history
- Easier searching on contacts
- DTMF
This last, frequently requested, item is proving to be quite a challenge. We shall persist!
Best rgds,
Kikker Interactive
You probebly know this, and before people start to flame I dont want to search through the archives to see if it is there.
Im new to the XDA world, just had my phone for 3 weeks and learning new things about it all the time. Its a really great phone and helps with my business needs. I loved it that much I got my wife the T-mobile MDA compact (as its girly) and she loves it.
Anyway back to the question in hand, how can you remove that annoying and buggy O2 dock off the top of your XDA handset.
Backup your docs/contacts/calendar
Do a hard reset (hold power and reset at the same time)
When it start to install the basic programs it should come up with 2 options, normal or corporate. If you select 'corporate' and then type in the code 0506 it will install a fresh version of software without 02's buggy applications.
I did this last night and its much better, the only problems is that the gprs will need to be added manually which I done in no time. If you call o2 they can send a text with the settings to automatically do it for you.
you dont really have to remove it but if you use a file explorer like Resco browse to ' my device\windows\startup 'and either move or delete the 'Active.exe' then do a soft reset and Bob is your proverbial uncle..
Just to add, if you can't get through to O2 then the somewhat longer and more complicated way is to enter the settings as set out here:
http://www.tekguru.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4331
& somewhere in the Networking/settings area of this forum is a list of CAB files that hold all the settings for all the UK service providers - d/load, copy across & run - easy-peasy
Here is my story with X10 after 1 day of usage.
Since this is the first time to me to use the Android system, so I noticed that it is (from the interface side) a mix between iPhone and WM but it is much better faster and stable.
Network Reception ... Perfect
GPS reception ... Perfect
OS ... Perfect
Phone Dialer ... Similar to the iPhone one
Messaging ... Similar to the WM one
Browser ... Perfect in English sites not the Arabic one
Arabic support ... Very Poor (supposed to be supported in next Update 2.1)
Navigation program ... perfect as a 30 days trials and the 12 month upgrade will cost me 70Euro (costly some how but i will buy it as there is no alternative).
Android Market ... Medium in terms of paid programs (as Document2Go) and Perfect for the free programs (when Google will be able to give us access to the paid market).
Camera ... File size and quality is more than perfect but I've noticed that the image contrast is very High and I couldn't adjust it and there is a problem in the flash must be activated from the advanced menu every time i want to use it (stupid).
Exchange program ... Very powerful since it is for free (Roadsync which is a paid program is VERY powerful than the stock one). The problem is that i cannot set a frequent Sync other than push (which consume the battery to the maximum).
Battery life ... After 12 hours extensive usage there are 37% remaining power in the battery (which is good since i used a lot today , GPS, Camera, WEB, Exchange, messaging and Market).
Build quality ... So Far So Good
This is my initial feedback and will be followed by another feedback soon...
So guys, let us discuss here what is missing from our phone and what should SE consider in the next update
Second feedback after using it for almost a week now
I bought this phone since 7 days now and please find below my feedback:
Battery life ... at the end of the day there are 33% remaining (after using Web, Lot of SMS, minimum 3 hours of calling, 3G network and WIFI)
Camera ... Very good snapper my only problem is in the Flash and sometime the image stabilization doesn't work properly
Touch Sensitivity ... Excellent
Network Reception ... Excellent
Market ... need badly to have access to the Paid section in the Market
Dialer ... Having a smart dialer will be a good option
Missing Video Call ... Since Fring used the back camera in performing Video calls over Skype and MSN why SE can't use it too to perform Video Calls over 3G network?
Reserved
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Guys whom participate in the poll, please post your positive or negative feedback
hi
for navigation you could use googlemaps navigation feature
and for full market in your region you could try downloading the market.apk and installing or you could debrand the phone so it has a different regions software on
only thing missing from the x10 for me is flash. everything else is great for what i need
from when i played with it, i say it could of been better...just overall
I'm not going to harp on about MT because I know that will never be possible, but I will say its missed.
However after months of regular use, here's my list.
*the phone application could do with larger buttons
* flash in browser. Would have been perfect for the world cup whilst at work!
* better access to the latest OS releases.
* improved copy and paste method
*better cursor control for text input (can be addressed by HTC keyboard)
* automatic flash (will be addressed by later Android versions)
* louder in call volume
* Playlist creator (can be addressed by using default music player)
* improved zooming method
* more code support I.e divx and mkv
720p recording will be a bonus if executed well. (unlike face recognition)
Best thing about this device for me is the screen size for browsing.
andy8271 said:
hi
for navigation you could use googlemaps navigation feature
and for full market in your region you could try downloading the market.apk and installing or you could debrand the phone so it has a different regions software on
only thing missing from the x10 for me is flash. everything else is great for what i need
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thanks for the advice dear Andy
Baggyb said:
I'm not going to harp on about MT because I know that will never be possible, but I will say its missed.
However after months of regular use, here's my list.
*the phone application could do with larger buttons
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In addition we are missing GREAT smart dialing found under HTC..
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In addition we are missing GREAT smart dialing found under HTC..
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Couldn't agree more.. I took that for granted on the Hero!
I must admit i also found ending a call more complicated than it should have been, especially with the dialpad draw open. In the end I often waited for the person on the other end to hangup!
However I saw on a post on this forum that said that the power button can be used to end the call. Although it's not ideally placed to end a call, I find it much easier than sliding the dialer down and hitting the software end call key.
Just thought I'd share.
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Couldn't agree more.. I took that for granted on the Hero!
I must admit i also found ending a call more complicated than it should have been, especially with the dialpad draw open. In the end I often waited for the person on the other end to hangup!
However I saw on a post on this forum that said that the power button can be used to end the call. Although it's not ideally placed to end a call, I find it much easier than sliding the dialer down and hitting the software end call key.
Just thought I'd share.
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but this is true, you will have to hit the power key in order to end incoming call. nothing else can be configured (except a developer develop a program to change the assigned setting for the hardware keys )
Check Post #2
Dears,
I've posted today my second feedback about the mobile, please check Post # 2
I don't tend to use the dialler, unless I'm calling someone whose number isn't in my phonebook... I have the phonebook app on my action buttons (ADW Launcher) and go into that.. then long press on the contact and select the correct calling option from there.... probably quickest method of calling someone on any phone I've ever had.