PAN = POS - 8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General

I installed the AKU3.3 and am pretty pissed off with Microsoft for only giving the device the PAN Bluetooth profile for tethering.
Nothing out there supports PAN, even Vista doesn't support it on MS's own BT stack for crying out loud.
I sure hope by the time AKU3.3 goes final someone manages to hack it, or that we get the Widcomm stack working on this. I was reading a blog by MS programmers in the WM team and there seem to be quite a few complaints by people.
These jackass programmers need to stop removing stuff people use, and work on improving the device (WiFi AS anyone??).

PAN works with the M$ bluetooth stack on WinXP sp2 and greater. I'm surprised it doesn't work with Vista actually...

Sleuth255 said:
PAN works with the M$ bluetooth stack on WinXP sp2 and greater. I'm surprised it doesn't work with Vista actually...
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Can't do anything with it under Vista, plus I couldn't get it to work with my Nokia N800. Tried PDAnet which should be able to enable DUN but that doesn't work at all.

Yea that is the reason I haven't updated my ROM. I traded in my blackjack because the lack of DUN support in AKU 3.3. Vista doesn't like the PAN profile on any device I have tried yet. Not to mention my other PPC is an Axim X51v and even with Widcomm stack It wouldn't connect to the PAN of AKU 3.3.

After upgrading to the Cingular ROM, I gave the PAN a shot just to see if it would work.
I'm using a Lenovo C3000 N100 Notebook, built in Bluetooth, with Windows Vista Ultimate. No special drivers, just what Vista loaded.
I got PAN to work just fine, and got about 600K/sec from dslreports speedtest.

After upgrading to the Cingular ROM, I gave the PAN a shot just to see if it would work.
I'm using a Lenovo C3000 N100 Notebook, built in Bluetooth, with Windows Vista Ultimate. No special drivers, just what Vista loaded.
I got PAN to work just fine, and got about 600K/sec from dslreports speedtest.
I guess it might be possible that the Bluetooth adaptor may be the culprit?

Isn't the adapter, an adapter is an adapter; they are all the same. Under XP the adapter supported every single profile under the sun. It just annoys me that some idiot at MS decided to dump the one profile people really need, and replaced it with something useless. Nothing out there supports PAN, and the internet sharing app is in no way an improvement.
Like I said; stop messing with our devices. Fix something that NEEDS fixing, like that 1980's style calculator on our devices.

PAN works perfectly for me under Vista Ultimate... no drivers, no nothing.

I'm running Vista Business... I'd be mighty upset if I found out that MS didn't include the PAN profile in Business, but did include it in Ultimate...

Same profiles are in both Vista Business and Ultimate, problem for me is my bluetooth adapter. I have a Belkin adapter that used widcomm stack under XP, now it does some profiles and some not because of the great bluetooth implementation MS did... again... they are trying to force their bluetooth ideas, which obviously are broken, to all windows users in the world. Still wondering why we try to refer to bluetooth as a standard these days... you have MS bluetooth and Bluetooth that works...

just tested. Pan works fine in xp and vista!
i love Pan! much better then DUN! alot easier to setup and connects much quicker!

One main thing to know is that PAN isn't accessed through the Bluetooth control panel... it shows in network connections.

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Which bluetooth stack is the Prophet using?

Hi,
I bought a Dopod 818 Pro and happily loaded the drivers for my Think Outside BT Keyboard. Unfortunately the BT Keyboard on the Prophet tells me :
Bluetooth system not detected.
Current version of the keyboard/mouse driver supports the following Bluetooth stacks
Widcomm BTW CE 1.4.x - 1.5.x
Drakar (Socket) 6.x.x
Microsoft
Does anyone have an idea on how I can get this to work? Think Outside is very slow to update their software / drivers. One option seems to me to load either the Widcomm or the Drakar stack. Any one tried something like this?
Thanks & Best Regards
Of course Prophet running WM5 and has Microsoft Bluetooth stacks. I think the version is 2.0. Is newer then before. No way to use other Blue tooth stacks on Pocket PC.
the BT stack onthe prophet is total garbage, only supports 2 services.. the older widcom stack for the 2K3 pdas have like 14 services
pr5owner said:
the BT stack onthe prophet is total garbage, only supports 2 services.. the older widcom stack for the 2K3 pdas have like 14 services
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Same Microsoft s#%t as on Windows XP. My Sony Vaio comes with MS stack, and ....it supports only 2 services. So I have built-in BT, but can use it only for a BT mouse or modem.

Can i use my Wizard as a BT audio device for another phone?

Hi, i'm looking for a way to connect my Nokia 6230 to my Wizard so that the Wizard is recognized by the Nokia as headset. Does anyone know if this is possible?
I've been looking at the widcom/broadcom stack but i couldn't get it to work yet. Insufficient memory error.
Does anyone know if this is somehow possible?
I dont think this works. However I have done the reverse using my Laptop. I used my laptop to take calls and answer them, while my PDA is in the other room! w00t
And do you think it would be possible if we get the broadcom/widcom stack running on the Wizard?
No. I dont think that has the correct services/profiles. And is it possible to get the widcomm stack on the Wizard? Doesn't it already have the microsoft stack on it?
Thanks
how did u answer the calls on your lap top??? thats awesome wanna share? thank you!
my email address is [email protected]
To be a "headset" for another device, you need the "Audio Gateway" profile.
Most desktop adapters support this profile (the Widcom stack does), so your desktop or laptop PC can be a headset for your phone. I've used this as a speakerphone when we were doing something in a class. It's pretty slick.
The Wizard does NOT have the Audio Gateway profile, so it cannot be the speakers or mic for another device.
However, SOME of the Ipaq PDA's can do this. I've done it with a Bluetooth-Equipped Ipaq, so I know that, at least in theory, it IS possible.
TomXP411 thanks. You basically explained it for beckhams777...
PDAs that are not a phone themselves are usually the ones that have this profile. If you find a device that has this profile AND uses the Widcomm stack, I may be able to extract this profile and use it on other devices also. It also depends on what version of widcomm stack they use... But, it could well be possible now that I know some other devices can do it
Thanks
I'll go searching 8)
got it! thanks anyways!
T-mobile MDA (USA version) and Bt
Ok, read all the posts, so there isn't a way to use my bt earbud with music on my MDA?
it worls great for phone, but MDA does NOT have audio gateway software
Al
When I pair with my Mac (OS X 10.4), the mac does discover bluetooth audio as a service on the wizard... however when i try to send sound, OS X states that it could not connect to the BT Audio device... So in theory it should be possible, if the service is discovered. We perhaps just need an app on the wizard that responds to the connection request...

WM5 Bluetooth stack and DialUp Networking (DUN)

I'm at my wits end with my T-Mobile MDA (aka HTC Wizard) and my new 2007 Acura RDX. The car can connect to the Internet via a Bluetooth phone to send/receive diagnostic messages to Acura, but I'm pretty sure the MS Bluetooth stack is disconnecting during the setup. I'm able to pair the HTC Wizard just fine with the car, and the handsfree functionality for sending/receiving voice calls works perfectly using the JETWare mobile Bluetooth extension on the phone. I've tried doing some basic registry tweaks in the HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth keys, but nothing helped. I can use my Sony Ericsson T68i phone just fine with this troublesome feature, but I really don't want to start using my old phone again. Any thoughts on what might be fubared with the DUN connectivity? I'm using the same dial strings too that work just fine on my laptop with the MDA (*99#) on T-Mobile's network. Thanks in advance for suggestions...
While I don't have specific info on your car, you may want to give a try to the
1, Widcomm BT stack (instead of the MS one)
2, AKU3 and BT PAN if your car also supports PAN and not just DUN.
Please check out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=282780 on the latter q.
Thanks for the reply. I've had older Pocket PC/Windows CE devices that used Widcomm, but I was under the impression that the MS Bluetooth stack was baked into the device ROM. Do I have to reflash the HTC Wizard ROM to get the Widcomm BT stack?
RE: option #2, I'm nearly certain that the car does not support PAN, but I'll dig around and see what I can find.
Thanks again.
Hmm... I just found this wiki page:
http://maemo.org/maemowiki/BluetoothDUN
which mentions Bluetooth DUN problems on the Samsung SGH-X820, which I believe is using WM5 or similar variant. At any rate, it mentions a "receive all" flag, and I'd love to know if there's a registry setting in WM5 that's related to this suggestion.
flashfreaker said:
Thanks for the reply. I've had older Pocket PC/Windows CE devices that used Widcomm, but I was under the impression that the MS Bluetooth stack was baked into the device ROM. Do I have to reflash the HTC Wizard ROM to get the Widcomm BT stack?
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nope, just install the Widcomm BT stack, not even a hard reset is needed - see the sticky thread.
Thanks again for the prompt reply. I followed the How To here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=285696
and I also used SolSie's installation guide here to fill in some gaps:
http://solsie.com/?p=82
I used the CAB file here:
http://btfix.thcgirls.com/BroadcomBluetoothStackX51V05.zip
Bluetooth functionality seems to working ok, but I don't see Dialup Networking as a service now on my HTC Wizard. Do I need to upgrade the AKU ROM? I'm using the summer 06 ROM update from T-Mobile USA right now. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
flashfreaker said:
Bluetooth functionality seems to working ok, but I don't see Dialup Networking as a service now on my HTC Wizard. Do I need to upgrade the AKU ROM? I'm using the summer 06 ROM update from T-Mobile USA right now. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
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You're right - just tested this on my Wizard. No DUN service is visible- actually, HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Widcomm\BtConfig\Services doesn't contain any DUN service listed.
I'll tomorrow check this on my other 1.7 WM5 Widcomm-based Pocket PC's (hx4700, x51v) to see whether you can import this functionality in any way. My WM2003 iPAQ 2210 and WM2003SE PL720 lists this service; from the former (I only have this here at home in addition to my Wizard; the rest are all at work) a direct HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Widcomm\BtConfig\Services\ and [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Services\00001103-0000-1000-8000-00805F9B34FB] didn't work though.
From what I've read on other sporadic posts, it seems that the Windows Mobile registry has a setting for enabling a "receive all" parameter for Bluetooth that fixes DUN problems. I'm sure there's a bit of a security risk in that, but I'm willing to try anything at this point.
You mean the standard BT / IrDA receive all? It's not dangerous at all - and, for that matter, it doesn't even add much to the overall power consumption, contrary the popular belief (see my related power consumption measurements)
Thanks for the reply. I read your post(s) on power consumption--excellent stuff. I can see options for IR ("Receive all incoming connections"), but not for Bluetooth, other than the discoverable option. Is there some registry parameter? That's what I'm looking--if DUN is failing during a PPP connection because a some weird rejection command, I'd like to see if there's anything I can try out to work around that.
The "Recieve incoming beams / Recieve Incoming Connections" in the IR menu in also responsible for BT file recieves. In addition to enabling the BT discoverable option, you need this to be turned on to accept file tranfers. I'm not sure about how this is going to effect DUN, but give it a shot.
This is prolly what you might have read in one of those posts that you mentioned.
BTW, the DUN service will not be offered even with the Beam Receive option enabled.
This may mean, currently, unless someone invents a way to access DUN under Widcomm, it's impossible to use Widcomm-based WM5 PPC PE devices as external dial-up modems.
Hm...
I know this is kinda off topic of DUN, but using the Axim Widcomm stack on my 8125, I loose all sound from the speaker.... anyone else encounter this?
Yes I have this problem too, can be solved just by calling someone... but then there are other problems...
1)Memory leak after turning off Bluetooth.
2)Only solution is to leave it on, but there are other issues here, for me, so far, it is my Wizard hangs(require soft reset button) or the sound of the speakers dissappears and gets redirected to the phone speaker only... after about a days use..
Hm.... well.... suck. I wish someone released a custom ROM without the MS stack
pball3485 said:
Hm.... well.... suck. I wish someone released a custom ROM without the MS stack
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but from the axim site, you can actually remove the MS stack..

Bluetooth Explorer

Well i beleive this is in a few phones but for reference i use the HTC Artemis (Orbit) and i can't use this product with the built in SP2 Bluetooth Stack. There appears to be no service that will allow it to opperate... i used to use it all the time when i used a toshiba bluetooth stack but that messed up activesync so decided to remove it and now have found i have lost the abbility to use this program. Has anyone had any success in how to use "Bluetooth Explorer" as in the one thata is in the XDA Orbit (and others just cant remember the name) with the Microsoft SP2 Bluetooth Stack.
If it matters its a Dell Wireless 350 hardware that is in the laptop, however i presume its software based as it worked when using the toshiba stack as i said.

bluetooth activesync

im trying to get it to work, but cant. tall thats showing up in services is serial port. not activesync. i want that and bluetooth modem to work with my dell inspiron e1505 which has toshiba bluetooth 350 i think. as far as i know, its just the dell or windows default bluetooth manager.
running DCD 2.3 on my xv6800.
thanks
You could try the Broadcom bluetooth stack on your PC:
http://www.broadcom.com/products/bluetooth_update.php
My bluetooth functionality seems better using it than the MS stack, even for activesync : )
its not working with mine, says there is no bluetooth device present. the website says its for use with broadcom embedded, or usb bluetooth. mine is toshiba embedded, maybe branded for dell
got it now. had to follow the procedure from here:
http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/ppc-6700-xv6700/56630-trouble-synching-bluetooth.html

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