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hi there
I know it's WM5 upgrade not available right now but I was just wondering that if it'll ever be possible that mini would be upgraded to WM5.Is it possible or mini doesn't meet the hardware requirements of WM5?your ideas?
Read the forums This was discussed all over the place!
However
You can always hope, especially as teh o2 atom specs ate similar.
I get mine hopefully next week when I am over in China.
Nope, never, jamais, nunca, nie, никогда, nooit, ποτέ, mai.
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apple_power said:
You can always hope, especially as teh o2 atom specs ate similar.
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I hope that you are aware that Magician and o2 atom are not only different devices, BUT ALSO FROM DIFFERENT MANUFACTURERS.
I will not be so naive to hope for WM5 on Magician, instead I hope for a nice brandnew WM5 device under the christmas tree. This hope is more likely to become true
Oh, another one!
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Sorry, but I find people who ask this funny!
Especially because WM5 is absolutely uninteresting. It has been very slow on almost any new devices and the "nomore backups" issue isn't important to most of us people since we know how to make good backups - don't we?
I think WM5 is interessting! Not because of the Backup-Options.
Look here:
http://mobile-review.com/pda/articles/wm2005-1-en.shtml
The Outlook Contacts for example are _much_ better in WM5.
You see the Contact's full name _and_ the numbers and calling is so much easier!
Hate to sound like a newbie (which I am, just got my Mini/Magician today and first post to the forum), but according to some websites (http://www.gsmarena.com/o2_xda_atom-1372.php), looks like the new Atom will use the same processor as the Mini? Only difference is 128MB ram and possibly wifi (although another thread is debating that issue).
Wouldn't that be reason enough to expect a way to install Atom's WM5 to the Mini?
Stupy said:
Hate to sound like a newbie (which I am, just got my Mini/Magician today and first post to the forum), but according to some websites (http://www.gsmarena.com/o2_xda_atom-1372.php), looks like the new Atom will use the same processor as the Mini? Only difference is 128MB ram and possibly wifi (although another thread is debating that issue).
Wouldn't that be reason enough to expect a way to install Atom's WM5 to the Mini?
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Stupy, the problem is not just the processor type. The OS has to interface with all the hardware on your device such as Camera, BT chip, WiFi, Screen, etc. All of these require "drivers" that have to be written specifically for your hardware.
Unfortunately WM5 on the Magician is almost impossible. Unofficial upgrades for other devices occured simply because M$ and/or carriers were testing the new OS on these devices and the ROM got leaked. Now that the testing is over who do you think will take his time and effort to develop this interface for free??? And that's providing he/she has the necessary resources.
At this point the only way to upgrade to WM5 is to sell your device and get a new one :-( I will probably go for the 02 XDA Atom or HTC Prophet fairly soon.
(btw, I really really hope someone proves me wrong )
look at this link
http://www.shinyshiny.tv/2005/12/pink_pda.html
the specs are almost identical to xda2mini except for the 128mb, does this mean there is still hope that wm5 would still be possible for mini?
nato said:
look at this link
http://www.shinyshiny.tv/2005/12/pink_pda.html
the specs are almost identical to xda2mini except for the 128mb, does this mean there is still hope that wm5 would still be possible for mini?
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No. How may times does it have to be said. Read the post immediately before yours. :roll:
It's not going to happen.
kta said:
Stupy, the problem is not just the processor type. The OS has to interface with all the hardware on your device such as Camera, BT chip, WiFi, Screen, etc. All of these require "drivers" that have to be written specifically for your hardware.
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Thanks kta for sorting that out. I just got the Mini, so it'll be a little while before I get the Atom - they don't sell too many of these types of phones here in Canada. No matter, I'll be happy with what I've got. Cheers!
hello
im thinking of getting the hw6945 as a replacement for my wizard. there are couple of reasons that i havent done yet and this is y:
1. there are no unlock methods, sim and app.
2. not enough user support.
3. no new roms aku3.3.
4. no wm6.
5. current rom is sluggish.
is there a better forum for the ipaq or is it that this fone isnt that famous amongst ppl.
Please let me know asap since i need to make a decision now.
The sluggish part I can't really deny - but it's called the "swiss army knife" of pda/phones for a good reason. Rumors had it that the HP lineup was going to get the wm6 upgrade, which makes sense since the 69xx series is the "flagship" line and they usually have an upgrade path - most recently with the 47xx series. People will tell you that the 65xx wasn't upgradeable but that's because the 69xx was already in pre-production when wm5 was announced. I believe that's the reason why the 69xx is so slow - they just loaded it up with the new OS without upgrading the cpu. From what I understand the specs for wm6 isn't so high as to make the device any more sluggish.
There isn't much user support, but it's a business model not really for hacking.
What's in the new ROM that you want??
I believe it comes unlocked in many parts of the world.
Xilicon said:
The sluggish part I can't really deny - but it's called the "swiss army knife" of pda/phones for a good reason. Rumors had it that the HP lineup was going to get the wm6 upgrade, which makes sense since the 69xx series is the "flagship" line and they usually have an upgrade path - most recently with the 47xx series. People will tell you that the 65xx wasn't upgradeable but that's because the 69xx was already in pre-production when wm5 was announced. I believe that's the reason why the 69xx is so slow - they just loaded it up with the new OS without upgrading the cpu. From what I understand the specs for wm6 isn't so high as to make the device any more sluggish.
There isn't much user support, but it's a business model not really for hacking.
What's in the new ROM that you want??
I believe it comes unlocked in many parts of the world.
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i didnt know that they called the hw6900 series the swiss army of all PDAs. even if they did how come not alot of ppl have it or talk about it. i mean comparing to the wizard, there is so much support for it. anyways, what makes me confused is i love my wizard, but it has been with me for more than a year and i wanted to get another phone. i was thinking about the jasjam but since its the same concept at the wizard, i started to look for something else. you big screen, q keyboard, gps. the hp has all these but then it doesnt have what made the wizrd fun, and that is formating and trying out new roms. how do u like yours and have you had another windows fone other than your hp?
I try to limit myself to one pda/phone gadget at a time. I had the wizard and the magician before that - jasjar never excited me, it's just too huge and in the end you have to be able to talk on the phone without looking like you're holding a brick to your face. The only other phone I would use instead of the hw6965 would be the new treo 750. I'm pretty pragmatic really and I enjoy the good hack as much as the next guy, but the older I get the more I like my things to "just work" as opposed to messing around with it all the time. Treo doesn't have wifi or gps but I like the form factor. The wizard isn't really practical in my opinion - you always have to slide out the keyboard (which means that you are only allowed to be in landscape when you type) and consequently you have to use 2 hands.
with the upcoming launch of new wm6 phones, I'd hold off on any purchases if I were you.
hubono said:
hello
im thinking of getting the hw6945 as a replacement for my wizard. there are couple of reasons that i havent done yet and this is y:
1. there are no unlock methods, sim and app.
2. not enough user support.
3. no new roms aku3.3.
4. no wm6.
5. current rom is sluggish.
is there a better forum for the ipaq or is it that this fone isnt that famous amongst ppl.
Please let me know asap since i need to make a decision now.
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I have had both the 8125 and 8525. I then recieved the HP 6925 from Cingular and I haven't used the others since. In fact I just sold my 8525 on ebay. The 6925 is amazing. The GPS rules and can used with most GPS programs. The keypad works great and the screen cover is perfect. The only thing is that HP is really slow with rom updates. The processor is faster then the 8525 however you take a hit on the screen. Calls are clear and I love using one hand to make calls. I no longer slide out the keyboard. I am very happy and iPAQ's are built to last... Hope this helps..
Rob
Atom Life is in the market now! It is really attractive to me. However I heard ppl said that O2 wont do much about the ROM update and less ppl willing to custom make some ROMs for it too. That makes me thinking...is it worth to buy Atom Life? Should I wait for other brands release some devices with similar spec?
Sigh...maybe I should stick with my HP rw6828 and wait...
I have the same thoughts. I want the XDA Atom Life but I really want WM6, as far as I know the Atom Life isn't even realeased in Australia yet but it is very soon, around the 19/3/07 so it hasn't even been released and it has an old operating system, that would be like ordering a brand new computer and getting windows XP, it's that stupid and I really don't think O2 like to do any upgrades.
Does anyone think WM6 will be avaliable for this phone or even made for it by developers on this site??? I have an i-mate Jasjam and Jasjar and the differences between the amount of activity on those forum compared to the atom forum is massive, does anyone really buy the XDA Atoms, they say it was a big seller but the forums show differently.
seal,
Too late, i am already in the hole.
I have sold out my HP RW6828 and gotten the Atom Life last week. I am in HK and Atom Life was released in HK on Feb 28.
So far it is great! I am satisfied it more than my old RW6828.
Hello,
is the Phonepad for Atom (that you can find here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=262768) compatible with Atom Life? thanks!
I am not sure. I didn't install that program.
Would you mind trying to install it please?
I just got my atom life too, and i wasn't too worried about not being able to upgrade to WM6. New OS's take notoriously long before the majority of software become compatible. Just look at the time taken for most software to convert from 2003 to wm5. I am sure by that time most users would've changed a phone, or someone would've figured out how to install wm6 in atom life.
I just heard back from O2 and here's what they said.
"Dear Greg,
Thank you for contacting O2 Asia Technical Support.
With reference to the issue that you have raised below, as you have noted, currently released O2 devices run on Windows Mobile 5 operating system. Please be informed that O2 Asia is currently looking into the possibility of Windows Mobile 6.0 devices (no further news as of this moment).
We do value the feedback you have provided with us. We will attempt to relay it to the relevant department for review and future possible action. We thank you for your time and consideration.
Sincerely,
Judith Taan
O2 Technical Support (Email)
Asia Pacific Region
SACODE: jutaan#
For full listing of retail outlets and information on the latest products,
please visit http://www.seeo2.com"
Once again no commitment. I tend to agree now with the above post, so many things still don't work with WM6 so I will stick to WM5 and skin it to look like Wm6.
Basically they say "we won't ever give you WM6 on already excisting devices, but in a while, when WM6 is starting to get stable, we may develop something that runs it". Atom Mark 4, I guess. And I totally agree, WM6 at the moment is far from leading edge. It's not even bleeding edge. It's moronic edge. Like WM5 when it came it's really only an Alpha system from what I have read in different tests. Like the original Atom. It took more than half a year from it came until it was truly a release version, not Alpha or Beta.
i allso don't think O2 will do it.. this is what i got from them.
Dear Ali,
Thank you for contacting O2 Asia Technical Support.
With regards to your query below, O2 Asia latest products (Xda Atom, Xda Zinc and Xda Stealth) are running on Windows Mobile 5, O2 Asia has not release any plans with regard to upgrading the Operating System of these product.
Should you require any further assistant, kindly reply to this email. Thank you.
Warmest Regards,
Yee Chan
O2 Technical Support (Email)
Asia Pacific Region
SACODE: cyee#
For full listing of retail outlets and information on the latest products information, please visit http://www.seeo2.com
Interesting with technical support personell who writes worse english than most Norwegian 16 year olds... Don't they have Word to spell and grammar check their mesages?
Couple of things I have yet to installed into my Atom Life.
1. Phone pad.
2. Portrait/Landscape view icon. I believe some PDAs have this feature for easy conversion of screen display by just tapping on the icon.
Actually, I installed Phone pad but apparently, it didn't seemed compatible as I believe it's for Atom Exec. Is it due to version difference? As for the Portrait/Landscape icon, is there a link here for the upload? Thanks!
Hi Folks,
I need a bit of help choosing my next PDA, I've had loads of pocketPC, windows mobile devices inc. HP Jornada 548, Tosh 540, Dell X5, iPAQ hx4700 but this will be my first forage into "convergance" devices.
I was originaly tempted to upgrade my phone to the Orange UK version of the HTC TyTN but i'm now getting cold feed with all this talk of new devices due out, I know there are always newer and better just around the corner but I don't want to jump into a 12 month contract just to find a newer and better unit being available next week.
My dilema is this.....after seeing the specs for the O2 Zinc with the Xscale 520Mhz processor and seeing the benchmarks against the TyTN I'm now more inclinded to wait the for the release of this Zinc (26th March 07), however on my travels through the tinternet I have stumbled upon what I would consider my ideal device...the HTC Kaiser, does anybody have any ideas which network will be carring this device and when it will be released????
I'm fairly sure the overwelling opinion on the site will be for the TyTN but I just need to know what makes this device a "No Brainer" compaired to the O2 Zinc.
Cheers Jim
jb2001 said:
Hi Folks,
I need a bit of help choosing my next PDA, I've had loads of pocketPC, windows mobile devices inc. HP Jornada 548, Tosh 540, Dell X5, iPAQ hx4700 but this will be my first forage into "convergance" devices.
I was originaly tempted to upgrade my phone to the Orange UK version of the HTC TyTN but i'm now getting cold feed with all this talk of new devices due out, I know there are always newer and better just around the corner but I don't want to jump into a 12 month contract just to find a newer and better unit being available next week.
My dilema is this.....after seeing the specs for the O2 Zinc with the Xscale 520Mhz processor and seeing the benchmarks against the TyTN I'm now more inclinded to wait the for the release of this Zinc (26th March 07), however on my travels through the tinternet I have stumbled upon what I would consider my ideal device...the HTC Kaiser, does anybody have any ideas which network will be carring this device and when it will be released????
I'm fairly sure the overwelling opinion on the site will be for the TyTN but I just need to know what makes this device a "No Brainer" compaired to the O2 Zinc.
Cheers Jim
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Not really the answer you want, but my philosophy on life is, get the best you can today and not worry about what's out tomorrow... otherwise you'll never get anything because you'll always find that a month or so down the line something better will come out... so to say!
Otherwise, the Zinc does seem impressive... but O2 have already delayed the release once, so who's to say it will actually be out at the end of march anyway
True....Very True. The exception to that case was the iPAQ hx4700. which in my opinion is still one of the very best PDAs out there and its now 2 years old ???
I decided to hang back for the release of the Zinc hoping WM6 will be on it. have you tried flashing your rom to wm6??? if so did you have any problems setting the phone back up for T-Mobile??
jb2001 said:
True....Very True. The exception to that case was the iPAQ hx4700. which in my opinion is still one of the very best PDAs out there and its now 2 years old ???
I decided to hang back for the release of the Zinc hoping WM6 will be on it. have you tried flashing your rom to wm6??? if so did you have any problems setting the phone back up for T-Mobile??
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I'll agree with you on that... I used to have a hx4700 myself... it was the VGA aspect that appealed to me, but I felt it was before its time... oh, and slightly big!
I think the Zinc will have v5.2 on it???
I've flashed my MDA several times and can almost memorise the internet/mms settings that takes approx. 2 mins to put back in... its all good fun
You may never flash WM6 on a Zinc...
stewcp said:
I've flashed my MDA several times and can almost memorise the internet/mms settings that takes approx. 2 mins to put back in... its all good fun
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Yeah - similar case here. I flash frequently and I could probably set it all back up again the way I like it with my eyes closed Top tip: get CAB files for all your favourite apps (and any relevant serial numbers) and keep them in a folder on your storage card. That way you can even get all set up from a full reset with nothing but your phone.
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Yeah - similar case here. I flash frequently and I could probably set it all back up again the way I like it with my eyes closed Top tip: get CAB files for all your favourite apps (and any relevant serial numbers) and keep them in a folder on your storage card. That way you can even get all set up from a full reset with nothing but your phone.
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Absolutly agree.... I kept all my CAB files on my SD card..Just incase.. but that was WM03se. Is there a HTC "official" rom update available for wm6...where did the wm6 roms come from?? oh and whats the best...
back to the original question,
I own a TYTN and ive had good test run with the Zinc, even though the Zinc has a faster OS the tytn feels faster and reacts better. The finish of the Zinc is a big cheap looking too.
If i was to buy a new phone today it would be the Tytn again, if i was to wait then it would be kaiser or even one of the new samsungs.
Cheers lads.....Just bought a TYTN - Orange SPV M3100 to be more precise.
Now whats the score with all these ROM upgrades.
and is there a today plugin simliar to the Orange today screen
Problem with O2 is the data charges. They're probably the worst out of all the UK networks!
I'd hate to get a phone like the Zinc or Kaiser and have to constantly monitor my data useage.
jb2001 said:
Cheers lads.....Just bought a TYTN - Orange SPV M3100 to be more precise.
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Excellent choice (in terms of looks - a very stylish design).
jb2001 said:
Now whats the score with all these ROM upgrades.
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That's far too big a question. You've got some reading to do - see the wiki
for the mods.. you can delete this message if you want...
i just want people warned specially in asia region that o2 zinc is not that good ..
although better processor ( but you will not see the difference compare to HTC hermes ),camera and o2 integrated software..
THere are many other choices on O2 products... Atom exec, atom life..etc..
Just not this is O2 Zinc is not worth recommending....
or im strongly recommending HTC HERMES (Dopod 838 pro, Softbank, or the HTC Tytn if available) if your fun of slide keyboard...
I promised you this will be a great help on you...
Trust me...
I just want you to be happy like me now..
There seems to be MANY users with the Atom Life. I'm in the process of getting on through my work, and there is a LOT of people posting issues for the Atom Life within the threads for the Atom.
From what I have been able to gel, there is only passing similarities with the standard Atom and the Atom Life. This will surely lead to ill-informed people trying to flash Atom ROMS to the Life and eventually when a new ROM for the Life is available people will try to flash that to their old Atoms. Jiggs said that there are layout differences in the way that these two devices are produced, and I would therefore expect that after doing this, you will have a brick.
To avoid this issue, would it be possible for someone to create a new thread devoted to the Atom Life.
Regards
Delta
DeltaDart said:
There seems to be MANY users with the Atom Life. I'm in the process of getting on through my work, and there is a LOT of people posting issues for the Atom Life within the threads for the Atom.
From what I have been able to gel, there is only passing similarities with the standard Atom and the Atom Life. This will surely lead to ill-informed people trying to flash Atom ROMS to the Life and eventually when a new ROM for the Life is available people will try to flash that to their old Atoms. Jiggs said that there are layout differences in the way that these two devices are produced, and I would therefore expect that after doing this, you will have a brick.
To avoid this issue, would it be possible for someone to create a new thread devoted to the Atom Life.
Regards
Delta
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100% agree...
I second that we need a separate area for atom life here
i think it very good
Yes.. I also agree... I am also a new user of Atom Life.. it is too difficult to find the correct info here and some of the information is very confusing.
Totally agree.
Completely agree
that was great idea since atom life is differ from the other atom products...
i am in this.
I'm in too!!!
Me too!!!!
me tooooooooooooo
yep! we shd have diff thread for atomlife.....
No updates from Mods yet?
I belive we'll never have an own sub-forum for Atom Life.
Why ?:
- The Atom Life reaches his end of lifetime soon.
- There is no developing community like for Atom/Atom Exec and this side called "XDA-Developers" and not "www.Please-help-me-I-f...ed-up-my-Atom-Life.com"
- more people are interested in HTC devices, even if all the new devices from HTC are the same ****.
- there are no updates from O2. So for what we should talking about ?
i'm having probs with atom life......the battery runs out very very quickly
awful review of o2 atom life
just did a quick search on the web. the review of this phone is pretty awful!!!
http://www.cnet.com.au/mobilephones/pdaphones/0,239036208,339275197,00.htm
apda said:
i'm having probs with atom life......the battery runs out very very quickly
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Don use O2 applications it sucks it sucks ur batt dry VERY VERY FAST and remember to close all the application after use at start->Settings->System->Memory
Anyone want my Atom Life!:}
I want to sell my atom life it's new just 4 months old upgrade it to Win mobile 6 with Qmenu 2.7. Also included My Mobile for controling your pda from a PC. so any one interested sms me at 60198149084 or YM me at [email protected]. k the best price will get the atom with all the bell's & wistle. thank u. FYI i want to use a tablet PC now that's why I'm selling the ATOM. ;}
Agree
Totally agree, trawling through the current Atom is frustrating.
Atom Life .... is that what they call it????
ok i have an atom life haha feels like it at times!
all been fine added what i wanted etc had it since its release in Oz ... now all of a sudden the bluddy O2 Plus wants to upgrade and whether i say yes or no it turns off the device and nothing happens i cant get it to go away and now the device is playing up a bit.
Do we have a new Rom yet since the inception one? or how do ya fix the stupid O2Plus crap?