Database Users

New Jasjar Rom-Seems more stable than ever.Early days still!

Last night I installed the latest ROM from i-mate (my first ROM update ever)...boy was I nervous, but very cautious.
All went smoothly without glitches! Everything seemed fine all day, no hiccups or soft-resets needed. So I thought I'd 'stress-test' the jasjar a bit. So far, I have the following only installed:
Spb Pocket Plus 3.0.1
CA eTrust Antivirus for Pocket PC
DigYs Billiard Master 2
TCPMP The Core Media Player
Resco Radio (Streaming Internet Radio)
**All of the following are currently running:
Wi-Fi is on and active (streaming music and surfing web simultaneously)
Contacts
Internet Explorer (using Wi-Fi)
Word Mobile
Pictures & Videos (Photo slideshow)
Spb Pocket Plus 3.0.1
TCPMP The Core Media Player
Resco Radio (Streaming Internet Radio)
Using my memory indicator on Spb, it reads: 3.8 or 7% available!!!
Is it just me, or isn't this pretty good, considering how many apps are running?
System performance has not degraded either. Just as slow as ever!!! But not any slower!
Whilst typing this, I have had an increase in memory, up to 5%! Everything is still running; movie in one application with sound and streaming music at the same time. Forgive me, I'm going on, but there seems to be more to this picture than, either we know, or we are talking about. The Jasjar is performing fine for what it is and maybe because of it's feature set, we have all expected too much from it. It does actually deliver, albeit not as fast as we'd expect given the speed of well established WM2003SE devices.
Your feedback on this will be greatly appreciated, as I am still somewhat confused as to why there was so little memory installed on the Universal in the first place.
All in all, the ROM update/upgrade, so far, seems to be more stable. But then it is still early days.
mackaby007
ROM version: 1.13.53. WWE
Radio version: 1.03.01
Protocol version:42.36.P8
ExtROM version: 1.13.137 WWE

Where can i download resco radio?
Sound like a cool app.

sharky: It is cool. Enjoy the trial download.
http://www.resco.net/pocketpc/radio/

Re: New Jasjar Rom-Seems more stable than ever.Early days st
mackaby007 said:
Last night I installed the latest ROM from i-mate (my first ROM update ever)...boy was I nervous, but very cautious.
All went smoothly without glitches! Everything seemed fine all day, no hiccups or soft-resets needed. So I thought I'd 'stress-test' the jasjar a bit. So far, I have the following only installed:
Spb Pocket Plus 3.0.1
CA eTrust Antivirus for Pocket PC
DigYs Billiard Master 2
TCPMP The Core Media Player
Resco Radio (Streaming Internet Radio)
**All of the following are currently running:
Wi-Fi is on and active (streaming music and surfing web simultaneously)
Contacts
Internet Explorer (using Wi-Fi)
Word Mobile
Pictures & Videos (Photo slideshow)
Spb Pocket Plus 3.0.1
TCPMP The Core Media Player
Resco Radio (Streaming Internet Radio)
Using my memory indicator on Spb, it reads: 3.8 or 7% available!!!
Is it just me, or isn't this pretty good, considering how many apps are running?
System performance has not degraded either. Just as slow as ever!!! But not any slower!
Whilst typing this, I have had an increase in memory, up to 5%! Everything is still running; movie in one application with sound and streaming music at the same time. Forgive me, I'm going on, but there seems to be more to this picture than, either we know, or we are talking about. The Jasjar is performing fine for what it is and maybe because of it's feature set, we have all expected too much from it. It does actually deliver, albeit not as fast as we'd expect given the speed of well established WM2003SE devices.
Your feedback on this will be greatly appreciated, as I am still somewhat confused as to why there was so little memory installed on the Universal in the first place.
All in all, the ROM update/upgrade, so far, seems to be more stable. But then it is still early days.
mackaby007
ROM version: 1.13.53. WWE
Radio version: 1.03.01
Protocol version:42.36.P8
ExtROM version: 1.13.137 WWE
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It seems that the biggest problem of Jasjar, is memory management, it really let you do nothing with such an unbelivable device, it seems that, after writing to the whole world, expansys, I-mate, various forum, it came out, that HTC, will give a new rom, that will free more than 20 MB to the Jasjar...
When I see it, I'll believe it :twisted:

trendystyle: That would indeed be most welcome! :lol:

Is there any chance a new slimmer ROM would also free up any RAM? I guess I'm hoping the new ROM might load less crap at start up which might save a little room on the RAM.

galt, That's about the only way that RAM could be freed up.
A slimmer ROM, or at least a better compiled ROM...

sub69 said:
galt, That's about the only way that RAM could be freed up.
A slimmer ROM, or at least a better compiled ROM...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Right, I mean, is not said, that I need skype, it's great, but with the RAM in the Jasjar, 4,56MB are far too many to be wasted, they should give a cd apart, and if you want, you install it, if not, you keep your 4 and a half MB free, same story for the antivirus, and backgamon.
Still, I believe that most of the SW, were developped on WM2003 basis and experience, for sure, there will be a better way, to develop on WM 5, using less ram...
In the future, developers of WM5, will have for sure to keep care of that...

Yep, it might take a while though...
It isn't too difficult to get things working on WM5, but optimising them is a bit trickyer especially if you're essentially starting with a WM2003 product and trying to 'tweak' it.
Like you say, when people start developing primarily for WM5, I'm sure we'll see more stable and better optimised software...

sub69 said:
Yep, it might take a while though...
It isn't too difficult to get things working on WM5, but optimising them is a bit trickyer especially if you're essentially starting with a WM2003 product and trying to 'tweak' it.
Like you say, when people start developing primarily for WM5, I'm sure we'll see more stable and better optimised software...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I believe as soon as WM5 devices will hit massively the market, with the sale of some hundred thousands devices, as everybody knows, the demand raise the offer, still, WM 5 is too young O.S., developpers, have to invest in time and money on something that will give a medium term revenueI remember when XP came out, we had to wait a while, before seeing dedicated applis, and not sidegraded applications from Windows 98

Exactly, fingers crossed for some good WM5-specific software soon!
And here's hoping that SBSH are one of the first with a spanking-new WM5 version of their product. ContactBreeze is hard for me to live without, and PocketBreeze still isn't quite perfect (but then I am using a beta release).

sub69 said:
Exactly, fingers crossed for some good WM5-specific software soon!
And here's hoping that SBSH are one of the first with a spanking-new WM5 version of their product. ContactBreeze is hard for me to live without, and PocketBreeze still isn't quite perfect (but then I am using a beta release).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I am having problem with spb pocket plus, they sent me version 3.1, but couldn't manage to install it properly with the latest rom for jasjar

this is a shame for a device costing so much, and claiming to be so much more, and is worse than its predecessor! I cant believe the f***** up on this so bad....did they even use the device themselves after manufacturing it? huh :?

dreamtheater39 said:
this is a shame for a device costing so much, and claiming to be so much more, and is worse than its predecessor! I cant believe the f***** up on this so bad....did they even use the device themselves after manufacturing it? huh :?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
And that's why I am pi**ed off!!
They should said,this is not definitive device with the new O.S., I have 5 mobile phone, a Motorola a1000(not very good), a Nokia 6680(great), atreo 650(very good), a Samsung zh500(fair), all of those phone, but the a1000, deliver what they promised.
But Jasjar is the maximum, it has a maximum price, and I want maximum performances

road n trail
Trendystyle, i think you need to go n find yourself a dirt bike or a road bike, and stop buying the cross over. If you want something that is the best, buy the specialised product, if you want something that does a bit of everything, but nothing well, buy a cross over device.
Settle, be supportive and contribute knowledge, there is no point connecting just to whinge for whinging sake, if we wanted that we'd be talking to our wives instead of typing here.
I too was originally really really "upset" about HTC not upgrading the XDAII, in the end, arguing and spewing didnt get me one step further, but this forum, the knowledge skill and ability of those around allowed me to hack, tweak, rebuild, reformat and structure a device that suited everything I needed and wanted.
I am sure in due course, this forum will do it again. So if you havent got anything nice to say about it, say something to improve it, dont just come here to whinge.

Re: road n trail
simon_darley said:
Trendystyle, i think you need to go n find yourself a dirt bike or a road bike, and stop buying the cross over. If you want something that is the best, buy the specialised product, if you want something that does a bit of everything, but nothing well, buy a cross over device.
Settle, be supportive and contribute knowledge, there is no point connecting just to whinge for whinging sake, if we wanted that we'd be talking to our wives instead of typing here.
I too was originally really really "upset" about HTC not upgrading the XDAII, in the end, arguing and spewing didnt get me one step further, but this forum, the knowledge skill and ability of those around allowed me to hack, tweak, rebuild, reformat and structure a device that suited everything I needed and wanted.
I am sure in due course, this forum will do it again. So if you havent got anything nice to say about it, say something to improve it, dont just come here to whinge.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you for your sugfgestion, but, as everybody say in every forum on the net, before talking, it's better to read around the forum....
So, checkUniversal, thread: HTC & MS are Cruel & Manipulative!I know u visit thi
And then see, if i didn't do anything, I turn upside down I-mate support!

Yep, due to trendystyle's tireless hounding, i-mate have decided they need to release a new ROM....
Let's hope he's happy after that's released, otherwise all hell will be let loose ;-)

sub69 said:
Yep, due to trendystyle's tireless hounding, i-mate have decided they need to release a new ROM....
Let's hope he's happy after that's released, otherwise all hell will be let loose ;-)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
probably they won't allow you to download it, as yours, is the only perfect Jasjar in the market... :lol:

trendystyle said:
I am having problem with spb pocket plus, they sent me version 3.1, but couldn't manage to install it properly with the latest rom for jasjar
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
From what I've heard SPB Pocket Plus 3.1 seems to be working for most people with WM5 devices (including my JasJar). You may have some other conflicting software?

trendystyle said:
probably they won't allow you to download it, as yours, is the only perfect Jasjar in the market... :lol:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No, probably not.

MDA Questions after a week of use...

Hello...
I recieved my MDA last saturday, and since then, have been trying to figure everything out. After multiple calls to tmobile, and even a trip back to the store, i'm still stuck with a few questions that i cannot seem to get answered.
1. The MDA came with the default Tmobile theme which works fine in portrait & in landscape, as well as the default blue Windows theme.
However, I have tried to install multiple themes(including some from microsoft themeselves) and i have one annoying error! Whenever I use an "installed" theme, the portrait screen looks fine, but when I open the keyboard...there are two large greyish/white gaps on the side of the theme.
Ex: I'm using a green theme. When in landscape mode, i have a single green square in the middle of the screen with a strip on either side(left or right)
2. My phone is HORRIBLY slow when and if ANYTHING 3rd party is installed. I've tried today plugins that control the memory usage(figured that would help)...however, it just slowed things done. My phone usually runs at about 14mb Free Program Memory, out of the total 44MB(This seems horrible...with just the default programs installed*for the most part* and maybe agile messenger running.). If i install a today plugin, or a game...this drops below 10mb. Therefore, phone usage can be very aggravating. I cannot think of any other way to increase this memory expect for ONE thing. Would it be possible to transfer ALL programs, applications, etc to the miniSD Card(i have 1gb now, with a 2gb in the mail). This way...i certaintly would not be topping out the usage of the card, and hopefully I can free up alot of space on the phone.
3. As we all know, the packaged IM programs are AWFULLY slow and inconsistent. After a bit of research and trials, I have settled on using Agile Messenger. I'm loving it...expect for a few things.
The MAJOR problem I have with it, is the pop up notification. Its annoying to be surfing the web or playing a game, just to have a pop up tell you that you have recieved a message, EVERY TIME you get a new message(which can amount to a great deal in a short time). I've looked all over for a setting, so unless I missed it, is there any way to shut this off?
A side issue with this program, and also the connectivity of the phone is...:
(even WITH the GPRS hack*always on*), I still lose connection(with 2-4 bars of signal) and therefore i get signed off of Agile, rather often. This isnt' such a problem with me, as seeing it takes a short time to log back in. However, when you look at the conversation from another person's point of view...all you see is
"Soandso" Logged off
"Soandso" logged on
etc
etc
(not sure if that last part was a question or a statement, but if theres an answer, i'd like to hear it!)
4.
My girlfriend has a sidekick, and I LOVE the feature of being able to set phone profiles for specific times of the day. Especially during school, it'll go silent, and the second we are out, its back on normal. I have downloaded PZP to try and fix this loss of luxury. However, I personally don't find the program to be very consistent. Sometimes, it seems as if say my "school" profile is fully functioning, while other times, it really doesnt. Call me crazy, but I have taken a shot in the dark and ventured to say that if one touches the volume button on the phone while the phone is on a specific profile...it will throw it out of its cycle. If anyone has some hints/comments/suggestions of their own on this program or other favorites...I would love to hear from you.
5. After I went about and downloaded the Eten dial pad skin, I noticed that all of my contacts were unable to receive contact photos. I quickly realized that any contact that was saved on my SIM card from my previous phone was stuck in this predictament. However, if i were to create a new contact account, it quickly allows me to customize them alot further. Therefore, i was curious if there was any way to transfer my contacts on my sim card>my phone in a fashion that the phone will accept them.
I'm sure i'll think of more questions(these are just the ones that I havent been able to answer after days of searching :-D)
Thank you so much in advance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi,
the speed of the HTC Wizard is very slow. That was my problem too.
for question no. 2:
Moving the apps to the card will result in more free space on the phone, OK, but running the apps from the card will also result in low speed, because the card is slower than the main memory. So I think you won't get more speed by this.
Try to overclock the device with OmapClock. My device works like a charm with 264 MHz (original was 180 MHz).
Use a tool like FreeUp RAM, which is part of the SK-Tools-package.
Running OmapClock and freeing up the RAM from time to time brings significantly much more speed. There is almost no waiting time if you click on an icon. You can even run Skype with OmapClock (many other users do so).
HTH

I have seen tidbits about overclocking through my endless searches the last few days. I've always heard that you have to be careful if you overclock a device, such as a phone. Has anyone had any known issues with the overclocking? Are there risks in having the phone run at that speed all the time?

The Wizard isn't slow. Install a Qtek rom without branding, and it will be much faster.

even the sales associate at tmobile seemed to think it was slow. Upgrading to a different ROM sounds ok, but i'm trying to keep everything via tmobile. thaks for the tip though.

Hi,
Im looking to get the Tmobile USA MDA, but after reading posts like this Im alittle afraid.
I need to run TOMTOM on this device and thinking that this might bring the device to a halt. Now Im starting to think that maybe I should get the 6700. Please let me know what you found out about making MDA faster. Thank you.

TazMan1688 said:
I have seen tidbits about overclocking through my endless searches the last few days. I've always heard that you have to be careful if you overclock a device, such as a phone. Has anyone had any known issues with the overclocking? Are there risks in having the phone run at that speed all the time?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There have been long discussion about what is safe with the Wizard on this forum.
See, for example, http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=40284
Also, the SmartsKey app automates startup of OMapClock.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=41060
(It has a number of other uses as well.
Hope this helps.

TazMan1688 said:
My girlfriend has a sidekick, and I LOVE the feature of being able to set phone profiles for specific times of the day. Especially during school, it'll go silent, and the second we are out, its back on normal. I have downloaded PZP to try and fix this loss of luxury. However, I personally don't find the program to be very consistent. Sometimes, it seems as if say my "school" profile is fully functioning, while other times, it really doesnt. Call me crazy, but I have taken a shot in the dark and ventured to say that if one touches the volume button on the phone while the phone is on a specific profile...it will throw it out of its cycle. If anyone has some hints/comments/suggestions of their own on this program or other favorites...I would love to hear from you.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There is a known problem with backlighting. See http://zendrui.free.fr/PZPForum/viewtopic.php?t=197
Also, check to see what events PZP is handling for profile-switching. For example, if you have calendar-based or time-based rules, they may switch your profile without you doing anything. Go to Settings, Control to see what you Switches you allow. Or check Time and Calendar for your profiles under the Configuration option.

As much as i'm sure overclocking the device may help, especially in my case. I'm just not sure if its worth the risk. Kind of hard to explain to Tmobile why the phone decided to overheat. Seems overly risky to make such an expensive device, run at higher speeds than its DESIGNED to do. But i'm still not sure, it almost DOES seem worth it...decisions, decisions...
Yes, Thank you for clarifying that...I mostly meant, the inconsistency of PZP with the timing of profiles. It seems as if the program will "switch" to the correct profile, but i don't always see a change in the operation of the device itself. Ex: I have it set to go to school mode at 7:30am, this past week(since its spring break, i've noticed that my incoming calls all had the normal ring volume, as well as system tones, etc...
Although it "says" ""School"" i don't really know if its truely in that mode?!
On this note, i have a question about setting the times(which is what i really want to accomplish). My phone goes to LOUD around 5:30am, School at 7:30 am, Normal at 1:55pm, and Quiet at 4pm.
Nooow, do i have to put two times in the school profile such as 7:30 am-1:54(5)???? so that it has an entire time interval...or can i just tell it when to start, and the next profile will automatically kick in and stop the previous.
Also, does putting the phone in standby or shutting it down have any effect on the profile??
I'm sorry in advance if i'm asking very basic questions, i've just been searching for a long period of time, and i usually can't find a specific answer to my question. So I decided I would spend the time to actually discuss MY problem, with hope someone can help. Again, sorry for any inconvienence or redudant questions.

TazMan1688 said:
As much as i'm sure overclocking the device may help, especially in my case. I'm just not sure if its worth the risk. Kind of hard to explain to Tmobile why the phone decided to overheat.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have a german T-Mobile MDA Vario (= HTC Wizard) and I'm overclocking it permanently with OmapClock and SmartSKey. There is no overheating as far as I can say/feel. I can speed up to 264 MHz (original = 180 MHz). If I try more, the device softresets itself without any damage or loss of data. It's a kind of security mechanism. Of course, battery life is a little bit shorter when overclocking it. But I'm sure, slightly overclocking doesn't damage the device! Maybe the lifetime of the device will be a bit shorter, lets say 6 months in 5 years, but you won't realize that, because you won't be using your device in 5 years. You will sure own some other phone when the CPU dies. Together with the tool "FreeUp RAM" (comes with SKTools), I can reach a comfortable speed for everyday use. But never forget: The Wizard IS quite slow, compared with other devices. You can find smart workarounds for that, but don't close your eyes on that fact.
For running any GPS navigation tools I would consider buying not a Wizard, but a much faster device, if you would ask me. I'm using my Wizard only for addresses (~ 700 items), calendar (~ 1200 items) etc., and without overclocking and using a program like Pocket Informant 2005, that would be an annoying, maybe impossible thing. At the beginning, I had to wait almost 10-15 seconds until e.g. the month overview was created. Switch to the following month - wait again. Choose a specific day - wait again. Oh my god! That needed more patience than I had.

Are you running a basic install without all the phone networks customisation bloat?
you can do this by hard resetting (you will loose data doing this) and then doing a softreset when the customisation dialogue pops up after setting time zone etc.
this will speed things up over an install with tmobiles bloatware. I run tomtom and my device is in general as reponsive as the magician it replaces.
good luck with your phone
R

So guys based on your opinions and experience is it worth for me to get the MDA or should I go with a different carrier and a XV/PPC-6700 ?

Hi yozh,
I don't know the 6700-device at all. Maybe we don't have it here in good old Germany, or maybe under a differnt name. Does it have a bigger display (better for navigation)? Does it have a faster CPU? Then take that one! In my eyes I would never like to use the Wizard for navigation. It's only a better phone, not more, not less. For all other purposes I would buy a bigger machine. I do not want to talk bad about my own device, I have bought it and I use it and it's OK for the everyday things I do with it. It has nothing to do with "I'm proud of my device", like some people seem to be here. It's a phone, man, not a Ferrari or a Rolex. You would tell yourself lies, if you would call the Wizard a powerful device. I had a Palm Tungsten T5 before, and THIS is a powerful device. 2600 items in the calendar (true!), and the reaction time was half a second if you tap on the screen! You can go and have a coffee if you do that on a Wizard.
Just think about it. If you buy a Wizard, try it for a day and then write to me what you think about that phone.
Mh. My english should be better, I know.
Just my 2 Cents!

Hi well the 6700 is the apache I belive and the CPU is 416mhz but its not a "dual core" everything else screen adn such is pretty much the same. Thanks for the reply

SO any one on this forums can recoment apache over MDA ?

yozh said:
Hi,
Im looking to get the Tmobile USA MDA, but after reading posts like this Im alittle afraid.
I need to run TOMTOM on this device and thinking that this might bring the device to a halt. Now Im starting to think that maybe I should get the 6700. Please let me know what you found out about making MDA faster. Thank you.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
See my posts on http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=48448 regarding processor speeds and TomTom.

Wow really TOMTOM runs better on the MDA then on a 400mhz DELL ? Then Im set defenatly getting the MDA, I like GSM network provide3rs better anyway and plus there are so much choices with the phones. I wish I was able to aford the JASJAS that looks really good.

Also don't forget that when you 'close' an appliation it does not really close, it just goes in to background, thus slowing the system down.
Check out your running processes and close all the ones that are not needed or load an app that really closed things.

TazMan1688 said:
1. The MDA came with the default Tmobile theme which works fine in portrait & in landscape, as well as the default blue Windows theme.
However, I have tried to install multiple themes(including some from microsoft themeselves) and i have one annoying error! Whenever I use an "installed" theme, the portrait screen looks fine, but when I open the keyboard...there are two large greyish/white gaps on the side of the theme.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Themes built for portrait screens look wrong in landscape view. Easy solution: build a theme that works in landscape view. The Guava Bubbles theme works fine in both because the background image is larger than portrait size.
TazMan1688 said:
4. My girlfriend has a sidekick, and I LOVE the feature of being able to set phone profiles for specific times of the day. Especially during school, it'll go silent, and the second we are out, its back on normal. I have downloaded PZP to try and fix this loss of luxury. However, I personally don't find the program to be very consistent. Sometimes, it seems as if say my "school" profile is fully functioning, while other times, it really doesnt. Call me crazy, but I have taken a shot in the dark and ventured to say that if one touches the volume button on the phone while the phone is on a specific profile...it will throw it out of its cycle. If anyone has some hints/comments/suggestions of their own on this program or other favorites...I would love to hear from you.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I use PPC-Profiles-Pro, but you can't slave this to a time. Besides, I'd rather just put it on Silent mode by holding the connection manager button for three seconds (top left side button). Otherwise I use PPC Profiles to switch from Work (BT) to Home (Wifi, no BT) to Sleep (No Wifi, no BT, no email alerts or reminders, just ringer). Walking into a theater, I just go to silent mode.

bilbo_28 said:
Also don't forget that when you 'close' an appliation it does not really close, it just goes in to background, thus slowing the system down.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I know. I'm using MagicButton. And OmapClock with SmartSKey. And FreeUp RAM. In deed, I do almost EVERYTHING to make my device run faster.

After One Week Of Use...

A week ago my dog ate my Nokia 6820. So I was forced into (but wanting to) get a new phone. I did alot of research and went for the Cingular 8125.
I've had my phone for one week now, and it's the best purchase I've made in a long time. I wanted to post a little something on here since I used the site extensively when researching.
When I first got the phone, I was not quite used to it. I went from the Nokia 6820 to this and have never had a PDA before.
Out of the box the phone was pretty "boring", but over the course of the past week I have installed and tested pretty much everything out there. Needless to say I didn't get much done at work. I may have had to do 5 hard resets, but that's expected when you find a forum like this and can't resist from tricking out your phone with all the latest hacks and tips.
I'm pretty much set now with the way the phone is setup.
Latest Cingular ROM
Pocket Plus
SPB Diary
SPB Weather
TCPMP
Agile Messenger
B Uptime
Eten Dialer
Hitchhiker (Although it sometimes crashes when notifying you when it connects to a hot spot)
Opera
PHM Tray Launch
pRSS Reader
Registry Wizard (Big thanks to the person that wrote that, made applying all the tweaks so much easier)
Total Commander
WiFiFoFum
wmIRC
Smartskey
Overclocked to 240mhz
I have 15.5MB of space left on the main memory after installing all the above apps. Will definitely be picking up a 2GB card soon for tunes and movies.
For a case I ordered the Proporta Book type. It was hard choosing one. Managed to find the site with the 8 review shoot out which made the decision a little easier.
My favorite feature of the phone came today when I was cutting the grass, and was able to stay connected to my wifi. Which meant I was able to tune into my online radio station.
I'm now seriously addicted to this forum, and look forward to testing out more hacks.
Thanks to all the contributors!!!

Awesome. One thing I love about WM5 is how customizable it is. Everybody has their own tastes and WM5 can work around most who understand how to use it.

i installed less then that and i only have 8mb left! wtf?
i have the same phone as you, but i use the t-mo rom. cuz i have t-mo

Im so close to switching my Mogul out for a Touch

Help Before I make a mistake.
I Just picked up this 6800 2 weeks ago and im still within my 30 days.
In that 2 weeks I have went from the original 2.17, Beta 3.16, No2Chem5047, Dcd 2.2.6 back to No2Chem5048.
Basicaly I love the phone. I Love the GPS and RevA. I personaly don't use gps because I have a older PPC that I run TomTom6 on. The Keyboard is sweet and the Wifi Is Huge for me.
The problem is the Ram is giving me a huge headache. A clean rom boots for me at 20mb which is ok. I love the software the Touch has and once I start loading it up to make it feel more like a Touch the ram gets crushed. I have tried every Tweak in the book to shut down startup items to shutting down services. I have made compromise with the touch software I can and cannot load because of memory. Basicaly Im sick and tired of this and its giving me a huge headache. Its like I can't make it look the way I want without sacrificing the very limmited memory.
Maybe its me but after a while at 13mb free or lower with nothing running it starts to feel a little slugish.
What it comes down to the size of the phone doesnt bug me . The keyboard is a real thing I worry about but I use the touch keyboard on my mogul for 1 handed texting sometimes so im already use to it. The wifi is great but im feeling I would take more memory at this point I dont want to get rid of my mogul but if I dont I feel I may throw it out the window if I get one more memory error.

i have a htc kaiser (tytn ii) and at&t tilt (branded kaiser) and the sprint mogul. kaisers has 128mb of ram while mogul has 64mb. my mogul runs faster, smoother, and less problematic than the other two. at some point i felt like i needed more ram on the kaiser as well, but when i saw how the mogul ran, i even switched to sprint. so i too hope you wont make the mistake of exchanging it!

I don't know lol. Maybe its just the fact that I dont know these new devices very well and how they are suppose to run. Before this phone I was on several palm treos for 4 + years. The only thing I can compare it to is my old ipaq 2200 and that thing is 5 times faster then my mogul. Maybe its just WM6 is a memory hog.
I guess it feels like its a little sluggish when its running 13 mb or lower. If there was something I could overclock with that might help me a little thro the rough parts.
What I cant Figure out is out of 45.2mb of program memory and usaly 60% or more is gone. where is it all goin lol? I have alot of the services shut down and only my startkey is loaded at startup . I can sit there and watch everything running and the math just doesnt add up to 25+ of ram. Maybe i just not understanding how these things run.
I thought a touch would be the quick fix that i needed since it had 128mb. I dont know I guess ill think about it for a few more days or whatever

I've seen ROM's on the Upgrading forum that have 30 MB free at startup. That's huge, and it makes me wonder why the more popular (no2chem, dcd) ROM's don't have that much free.

Don't do it!
I did just what the OP is thinking about and what a mistake. Although the Touch runs very well, the lack of a physical keyboard is too frustrating for words. Also, the touchscreen is nowhere near as responsive or accurate as the iPhone or iPod Touch. Beware!

For me, the most important feature of the Mogul is the wifi. If it wasn't for that, I'd have a Touch.
Are you using the Oxios memory program? That helps a ton! And you have to be diligent about actually closing out programs and not just minimizing it. Sure it takes a bit of diligence, but having wifi is well worth the effort IMHO.

I dont know if you are, but if you are running the HTC Home today screen plugin, try your phone without that. It slowed down my phone so much, just by having that one plugin on my today screen. I have replaced it with UltimateLaunch and now my phone seems to run twice as fast

I went to the 2.3 DCD rom yesterday. Every other rom had a ton of memory leaks and connection problems.
Tip:Try Spb mobile shell and Spb pocket plus. They do just about everything you can hope for out of HTC mods and they use almost no memory, dont lag up the phone, make your Mogul very touch friendly and look a ton cleaner then anything I have seen anyone make so far. You can make your phone so you almost never have to use the menue ever. I have everything on my desktop and the stuff I dont use constantly is one touch away no stylus needed.
I have tried every cab on the web that I could find and any and all roms I can get my hands on. The only rom that runs well is the latest DCD with Spb mods on it. I will never go back to the HTC stuff untill they can get there **** together. ATM there software sucks HUDGE! Honestly the HTC stuff always stinks imo and always has but thats just my 2 cents.

I feel your pain man... was in the same boat as you... I just got my 6800 a few weeks ago and it really took a lot of playing around with software combinations to find a set that works well...
The wifi and keyboard are really really useful the more I use this thing and I know I wouldn't be able to do without them so I pained into trying to work around this memory problem.
The main thing I found that eats the hell out of memory is today plugins. I had good luck with SPB Mobile Shell but recently just went back to plain jane today options with weatherpanel which seems to be very solid memory wise. That combo'd with Quickmenu for quick-launch ability, I can usually stay around 20mb at all times. Today plugins also lag the heck out of switching between apps... like going into a text message from a notification... no flashy today plugins make a much faster and cleaner operating system.
Very disappointed to see all these memory problems but I don't think it's the device... it's the software..... os and apps.

Well after a few more days of thinking about it and going to best buy to try out the touch. I relized how much I would miss a nice keyboard . Yea the ram was nice but it felt just as sluggish as mogul . Im seriously thinking a small overclock would help both of these devices. Its just to bad theres nothing out there.
I tried the Dcd 2.3.1 the memory was great best rom I seen yet for memory . After a day of useage out of the new dcd I noticed the rom was alot more sluggish of all the wm6.1 roms I tried. Today I went to No2Chem5049 and all I installed was pocket plus and mobile shell.
I had enough of messing around with roms for a while. I am running at 14-15mb free and 17.8 bootup. It feels somewhat responsive and im just gonna sit back and enjoy my phone for once

blahhhh
blahhh

I wanted to switch to the touch too. After the new DCD rom I have about 6 more mb than I had before the other ones. I used to have to reboot it about twice a day. Now I could probably do it every other day just to keep things fresh. Right now I'm cooking some roms and testing out NexVision roms to see what one fits me better. Just testing out different things to get it to where I like it.
Is the phone perfect? No but it seems to get better every month. I think it just frustation for me when I want to trade it because it takes forever to get the things you want it. With the UC or cooking your roms, it takes a lot less time to install the programs. I don't notice the ram too much unless I'm down really low. I don't use wifi much and keyboard I'm' fine with either that or touchpal. I would rather have those things than not have them. It doesn't take too long to reset to get my ram back and it is holding better than ever.

HTC Performance (overclocking cab) safe for 8525?

I want to overclock my 8525 as it's really been slow lately, and I've read a lot of threads about PocketHackmaster not working correctly and xcpu scaler not being correct for our CPU, etc, etc.
But I came across some good feedback on the HTC Performance cab working very well on Apache and some other HTC phones to make them work a lot faster with little noticable drop off on battery life, and I wanted to see if anyone knows if this overclocking cab will work safely on our 8525's before I tinker with it (I don't want to risk a hard reset).
Thanks.

JK8732 said:
But I came across some good feedback on the HTC Performance cab working very well on Apache and some other HTC phones to make them work a lot faster with little noticable drop off on battery life, and I wanted to see if anyone knows if this overclocking cab will work safely on our 8525's before I tinker with it (I don't want to risk a hard reset).
Thanks.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Where's the thread info for this HTC Performance cab? If it workes on hermes, then I'd have thought we would have heard about it? I would say don't do it based on this thread....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2359934

JK8732 said:
I want to overclock my 8525 as it's really been slow lately, and I've read a lot of threads about PocketHackmaster not working correctly and xcpu scaler not being correct for our CPU, etc, etc.
But I came across some good feedback on the HTC Performance cab working very well on Apache and some other HTC phones to make them work a lot faster with little noticable drop off on battery life, and I wanted to see if anyone knows if this overclocking cab will work safely on our 8525's before I tinker with it (I don't want to risk a hard reset).
Thanks.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you search on google, you can find there are a few posts saying you shouldn't be doing this, if you want to have a longer battery and a longer life of your device. If you want to upgrade in the next 3 to 6 months why not, try it out. Here is the file, ... I would not go near it, happy enough to use my current ROM the way it is.
Check this post what it did to the kaiser.
Here is the cab for those who's willing to try.
Edit, don't bother it doesn't work, the mod has advised if you look at the post and the rest of the thread above.

galaxys said:
Where's the thread info for this HTC Performance cab? If it workes on hermes, then I'd have thought we would have heard about it? I would say don't do it based on this thread....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2359934
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I did a Google search on overclocking after going thru XDA first, and came across this thread on PPC Geeks: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=11573
I've tried xpu scaler before and didn't see any difference (and subsequently read a couple threads saying it wasn't made for the Samsung CPU in our 8525's), so I wanted to see if there was another one out there that could reliably upgrade the speed of the 8525.
I may give this one a whirl and let you know unless anyone has any other suggestions on one I should try instead...

Ok, so I've been running this HTC Performance cab for a few days now on my 8525, and I definitely think it's running smoother with it on (I was just messing around turning it on and off and went to the same programs, etc, and I see a noticable difference in how fast things are opening and closing)
I have it set on 520 mhz 'maximal cpu speed', with 'enable dynamic cpu frequence changing' checked
I haven't had a chance to check battery life as I was playing around most of yesterday installing a new spb pocket plus program and messing with adding icons, etc, but I'll report back and let you know if I notice anything different with battery life as well.

zocster said:
If you search on google, you can find there are a few posts saying you shouldn't be doing this, if you want to have a longer battery and a longer life of your device. If you want to upgrade in the next 3 to 6 months why not, try it out. Here is the file, ... I would not go near it, happy enough to use my current ROM the way it is.
Check this post what it did to the kaiser.
Here is the cab for those who's willing to try.
Edit, don't bother it doesn't work, the mod has advised if you look at the post and the rest of the thread above.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
forgive me but how do you install this cab or how do you work it just to try it you know please get back to me

I installed it on my Dopod 838pro running Schaps 4.30 yesterday.
Nothing happened for a while.
No menu or shortcut to activate the speed up either.
When I got home last night, the Dopod is practically dead!
It would power on & flicker out before it completely boots up.
Luckily, I had my firiend's old Dopod in my drawer.
Took a charged battery from the spare and my 'bricked' Dopod came to life.
But died again later that night.
Hard resting it did no good either.
Looks like it flattens the battery & then refuses to charge it!
Today, I put another freshly charged battery, booted it and flashed in Satin Normal.
Right now, it is connected to my notebook and when turned on shows the battery as slowly charging. Hope it stays fixed!
I recommend all folks avoid this patch!
Stay tuned!

Phew!
After waiting anxiously overnight, it appears that re-flashing my ROM (from Schaps 4.30 to Black Satin Normal) seems to have fixed my problem.
Battery is still at 90%!