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Strange Stuff: Memory filling up!

This is weird... I'm running 4.00.11, no extraneous apps or anything third party. When I soft reset, program memory is at 17MB or 45% (which to begin with, sucks). As I use the XDA for a few days, I end up with almost 70% used!
Now, all the apps are truly closed, I even went as far as clearing the IE cache, keeping the SD card removed, etc. No matter what, it happens. And yes, I'm aware of the slider to adjust memory.
It wouldn't be so much a giant paint if it wasn't for the fact that after every few days I need to soft reset. Otherwise the thing just ends up slow and I can't open much in terms of apps.
Is this normal, ie. "what do you expect from Microsoft"? Should I cry? Smash it? Fix it?
Thanks in advance for any insight.

4.00.11 is garbage version with full of bugs!
People experienced WM2003 ROM, most decided to back with Pocket PC 2002 (3.20).

When you cooked your rom, did you make sure that "fix multiple resets" was ticked, I think its to do with logging and debugging stuff taking room and making the system crawl after a while. Worth looking anyway.

lol... bro! you're complaining about reseting every few days?!?
i reset 10-30 times a day!!!! lol
most programs freeze on this $400 piece of s*ht. just like everything else Bill G8s does.
good luck! maybe when Apple make a MACpda

im on 4.00.11 and i have no problems even d/c gprs after browing on wap.
you just hold down the red button till it d.c then you let go and your phone part is still left on
ive had no probs with v4.00.11 best version out for the uk
gaz

No going back!
That's the trouble with all this buggy software... it's got too many features I've been enjoying to go back to the more archane previous (WM 2002) version.
I did select the multiple resets bug fix thing when cooking the ROM. I'm assuming it's just like when using most versions of Windows on a PC, it just craps up if you don't reboot every so often.
As much as I like a lot of Microsoft products (bugs or not, whining and otherwise, it's the most standardized functional platform out there), this thing is frustrating, would be a great product if not for the memory issue.

ntabikha said:
lol... bro! you're complaining about reseting every few days?!?
i reset 10-30 times a day!!!! lol
most programs freeze on this $400 piece of s*ht. just like everything else Bill G8s does.
good luck! maybe when Apple make a MACpda
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Hmmmm, I've been running for weeks now on 4.00.16. No crashes and no resets and no problems. Running lots of extra software too. Maybe you have something installed wrong or a bad rom...
Misterdollymaker

me too
I also have 4.00.11, and I also have this problem with the memory filling up. No other problems however, the 4.00.11 version is very stable on my O2 XDA. A reset every few days fixes the problem. I'll stick with this version, too many improvements compared to PPCPE2002.

yeah I'll 2nd siliconaddicts opinion here...
same issues

that may be true... but some of my best games only work on 2002
the sound is very poor, and choppy at best, in 2003.
how do u get mms/wap to work in usa? or is that just euro thing.

games dont work? which ones?
I cant say I've experienced that with mine....

well... i think of only a couple now,
bust'em arcade
and Strip 4 You, by AIM arcade.
oh! and ALIEN INVASION by www.kyouwan.com

so, 4.0016 doesn't leak memory?
Is there anybody else out there, running 4.00.16 without the strange memory leak?
If so, maybe it's time to upgrade once again... just waiting for the day that one of these ROM upgrades completely fry my XDA.

Are you using surfing with PIE?
I know on my other PPC's with WM2003, that PIE will cache a large temp directory(s) and every so often I go in and tell PIE to delete them out under the Tools->Options->General Tab->"Delete Files" Button
To get an idea look in
\\Windows\Profiles\guest\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\
Directories here can build up and eat A LOT of memory - 5-10 MB easy.
FYI,
JB

Memory Leak + ****ty Battery life + Lockups = Getting tired!

I don't know.. ever since I got my brand new O2 Exec I've been getting less and less productive in work. The machine is indeed cool, but only when it works. I'm early adapter but it's been for the past month or so that I'm working for the machine instead of the machine working for me.
Memory leaks are out of this world. Memory is not freed up many times and I end up easily with 3mb of free ram even if no program is on. The battery life is terrible (to say the least) compared to my good old PDA2K (even with it's over 1yrs old battery! it blasts the Exec memory miles away)
Lately, the amount of lockups I am getting is simply unbearable. machine freezes.. sometimes the left soft button's caption (i.e "phone") graphics is seen like a small white box or something(as if all the letter go over each other) and then machine freezes. Something an alert comes up and then machine freezes. I can't trust the machine for business use, for games yes, but not for business.
Please note I don't have many programs running at all, no wisbar or cosmetic stuff like that., no SPB Plus and stuff like that. Just PocketInformant, PocketBreeze, phoneAlarm all of which are must have for me as well as some utils i relay on. I am wondering maybe my ROM is outdated, but I didn't see an update from O2 yet (I don't want to install NO_ID tool and flush other roms than OS own due to warrenty issues)
I have OS2 Exec with following ver:
ROM version: 1.13.82 WWE
ROM date: 11/30/05
Radio version: 1.04.02
Protocol version: 42.37.P8
ExtROM version: 1.13.188 WWE
Is there any Official update from O2 to any of these ?
Help is very much appreciated. That's before a 10kg hammer is blaster over the machine in an act of anger.. lol
MOBILER

Here are my suggestions:
1st Upgrade to the latest I-Mate Jasjar ROM. It is definitely faster than the shipped ROM from O2 and highly stable.
ROM version: 1.30.76 WWE
ROM date: 02/20/06
Radio version: 1.09.00
Protocol version: 42.42.P8
ExtROM version: Delete and install only what you need.
2nd I use Oxios Memory which has 2 useful applications in it. Oxios Close apps and Oxios Hibernate. I learned about this here in one of the forums. It basically free up a substantial amount of unused memory. Here is a link: http://www.oxios.com/memory/
As far as battery is concerned. I don't have a problem with mine. I keep it plugged in every night to charge playing a lecture DVD while I sleep.
So far O2 has not released an update yet. The last official ROM they released, I believe you are already using it. Let us hope when they do release something it would have the complete Windows Mobile Update support for BT headsets and Push email.

cktlcmd said:
Here are my suggestions:
1st Upgrade to the latest I-Mate Jasjar ROM. It is definitely faster than the shipped ROM from O2 and highly stable.
ROM version: 1.30.76 WWE
ROM date: 02/20/06
Radio version: 1.09.00
Protocol version: 42.42.P8
ExtROM version: Delete and install only what you need.
2nd I use Oxios Memory which has 2 useful applications in it. Oxios Close apps and Oxios Hibernate. I learned about this here in one of the forums. It basically free up a substantial amount of unused memory. Here is a link: http://www.oxios.com/memory/
As far as battery is concerned. I don't have a problem with mine. I keep it plugged in every night to charge playing a lecture DVD while I sleep.
So far O2 has not released an update yet. The last official ROM they released, I believe you are already using it. Let us hope when they do release something it would have the complete Windows Mobile Update support for BT headsets and Push email.
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Thanks man, I highly appreciate your detailed helpful response, but two issues :
1) As I said, I do not want to install the i-mate JJ ROM over the O2 one due to warrenty issues. So I think I would prefer to wait for the official O2 release thought I am starting to loose patience..
2) I also use the MagicButton app on my Exec. It seems very efficient at closing programs and switching tasks with minimal memory footprint. I'll look into the program you mentioned, but I doubt that's the problem. My machine has memory leaks because even when programs are all closed after several hours of use I can get down to 3mb free RAM.
Regards
MOBILER

Do you use the brilliant SBSH Ilauncher as this has very bad memory leaks being looked into at the moment

@mobiler,
we must have twins! I have mentioned similar problems with my Exec to those you discovered and when I reported them here people were unhappy and accused me of not knowing how to use a Exec properly!
You may want to look at the following:
1. Powersave does reduce battery drain but you may a slight delay to being alterted to incoming calls
2. Reformat your SD card if you use data files (eg music, ebooks etc) a lot. I found that MS Reader and Windows Media player were not happy with the use of Powersave - often I would get a systems crash after restarting the device. But after a reformat of the SD card the device was much more stable
3. You can get good quality spare batteries now for the Universal from www.mobilefun.co.uk

I had a few issues with PhoneAlarm, nice piece of software does exactly what I wanted as well, apart from I had some compatability issues.
Slowed the phone down alot and if my memory serves me correctly ( I have a few too many memory leaks of my own going on ) made the phone freeze a couple of times.
Tried the trial version of Pocket Informant ( had it as standard on an IPAQ HX4700 and quite liked it ) but that caused me a few problems.
I now keep things simple, using PocketZenPhone for switching profiles ( very nice and simple solution ). Use the O2 web site to keep track of number of txts sent and phone call allowance.
SPBGPRS monitor for the obvious monitoring of GPRS usage.
Using the standard contacts and calender ( does me ok but not as flexible )
And I have just started messing about with Wisbar, No problems as off yet.
Personally I have found all problems with the phone are linked to software incompatabilities.
I am still in warrenty with O2 but have updated to the latest ROM and radio and if for any reason it has to go back I will try and flash back but my way of thinking is that I should be allowed to change to any ROM image I want in the same way as load any software I want.
Dont know if that is of any help at all, just my views on trying the same software. Regardless of how good they are, they caused problems for me so now I dont use them and everything seems to be running ok.

I know this is anachistic but I am also annoyed by the occasional reboot and have discovered (shock horror) that having as few TSRs running (i.e. none) as possible much reduces this. I used to run magic button and I am convinced that this caused the occasional lockup. These days I only have vbar (2.2) installed and run it at times of need (i.e. I don't run it all the time) as well as using the memory item in the settings to kill programs.
Running the virgin corporate install o2 ROM with no TSRs. Using PIE and Netfront, and the built in outlook, together with a number of games, has meant that my xda is quite reliable. I am hoping that my 'once every 2-3 days reboot' will be gone once the new xda rom comes out :shock:
I can also recommend memmaid to occasionally clear our broken registry settings.
WM5 has been a painfull experience for the PDA manufacturers. If you think we are having a bad time you should read the stuff about the dell axim x50 upgrade on aximsite. I am hoping that WM5.1 will be a free install for universal users as this will make the os more robust.
On an optimistic note the chipset employed by the universal is well used and very reliable in many applications, the construction is robust, so IMHO it all comes down to software/firmware which we hope will improve.

I suppose that is what I was getting at.
Keep it simple.
Whether it is a stability problem with WM5 or just the third party software solutions I dont know.
But when I keep it simple, it works and works well.
I never mentioned battery life earlier, this weekend I went away with a full charge, granted I took another smaller phone with me but I did use it quite heavily ( playing Bejewelled, surfing the net and sending MMS ) and it was always on .
This morning it was on about 40% charged. Not too bad I thought compared to previous Windows Mobile phones I have had.
I use memmaid as well to do a bit of house keeping.
I was using spbPocketPlus mainly for its Task Handling, but thought I would give WisBar a shot. Having a proper close option to hand is very handy and should be included as a standard option in any version of Windows Mobile.
If I am not using a program I want it to be shut down properly. Like using a PC I only have the programs running that I am using.

FWIW, I am new to this device, but not to PPC, so I am familiar with minimize/close distinction. My orange SPV M5000 loses about .3MB per program invocation. I shut down programs using either the program's own Exit function (where it exists) or the Memory tab in the settings area. But the memory is slowly eroded. The worst culprit is Activesync to my laptop, that consumes around 5MB that never comes back. After a soft reset there is about 23MB free, this quickly drops to around 18, then steadily drops. Something in the OS is not releasing memory. I have to soft reset to get the memory back (which takes about 3 minutes).

I suppose that is what I was getting at.
Keep it simple.
Whether it is a stability problem with WM5 or just the third party software solutions I dont know.
But when I keep it simple, it works and works well.
I never mentioned battery life earlier, this weekend I went away with a full charge, granted I took another smaller phone with me but I did use it quite heavily ( playing Bejewelled, surfing the net and sending MMS ) and it was always on .
This morning it was on about 40% charged. Not too bad I thought compared to previous Windows Mobile phones I have had.
I use memmaid as well to do a bit of house keeping.
I was using spbPocketPlus mainly for its Task Handling, but thought I would give WisBar a shot. Having a proper close option to hand is very handy and should be included as a standard option in any version of Windows Mobile.
If I am not using a program I want it to be shut down properly. Like using a PC I only have the programs running that I am using.

Have you tried using the Exec in Corporate mode? It works fine for me

@ChristopherTD, I setup a dummy Activesync server and then set Activesync to manual and I have found this make my Exec more stable - perhaps it is because it does not lose as much RAM as before.
It is surprising that after 6/9 months of WM5 availability that we are still having instability problems with major/popular WM5 apps. I only use GSPMagic, Agenda Fusion, MS Reader and Opera. Only GSPMagic and AgendaFusion have been trouble-free.

WM5 was intended for programs to keep running. I know we like to hack our machines to death + sometimes the memory gets too full and you have to kill stuff. But sometimes if you keep MS stuff running, and don't kill it all the time with something like magic button, you find the system runs better.
I have activesync, contacts, outlook and PIE open all the time. I used to kill activesync all the time and I think this caused problems.
Normally my games have proper exit buttons, together with pRSSReader (totally excellent program). For the MS built in programs I tend to leave them running as the OS was designed for this.

Wow I think its pretty clear I ended up with a good unit afterall, either that or o2 really really messed up with your ROMS.
I have to charge my battery every night but thats to be expected with the usage I have. And im running Wisbar Lite, PhoneAlarm, PocketBreeze, and Wisbar Advance Desktop, all no worries, the only time I notice a distinct loss of memory is after player Warring Nations.
I feel for you guys, I think your summing it up that your working on your device as opposed to it working for you says it all.

Thanks for all the responses. You're all great guys!
Please see my responses below to all suggestions:
Darren_Bridgeland said:
Do you use the brilliant SBSH Ilauncher as this has very bad memory leaks being looked into at the moment
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Thanks, but no. I don't use SBSH Ilauncher. I use MagicButton which has a minimum memory footprint
jah said:
@mobiler,
we must have twins! I have mentioned similar problems with my Exec to those you discovered and when I reported them here people were unhappy and accused me of not knowing how to use a Exec properly!
You may want to look at the following:
1. Powersave does reduce battery drain but you may a slight delay to being alterted to incoming calls
2. Reformat your SD card if you use data files (eg music, ebooks etc) a lot. I found that MS Reader and Windows Media player were not happy with the use of Powersave - often I would get a systems crash after restarting the device. But after a reformat of the SD card the device was much more stable
3. You can get good quality spare batteries now for the Universal from www.mobilefun.co.uk
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Thanks, I felt I was the only one having problems Anyway:
1) I am always in powersave, still loosing battery power.
2) I just purchased a new SD card yesterday because I thought that may have caused the problems, but it's not it.. same problems.
3) I'll look into spare batteries, thanks for the link
ninja12innotts said:
I had a few issues with PhoneAlarm, nice piece of software does exactly what I wanted as well, apart from I had some compatability issues.
Slowed the phone down alot and if my memory serves me correctly ( I have a few too many memory leaks of my own going on ) made the phone freeze a couple of times.
Tried the trial version of Pocket Informant ( had it as standard on an IPAQ HX4700 and quite liked it ) but that caused me a few problems.
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I appreciate the reply.
1) I've purchased and used phoneAlarm for about a year straight with my PDA2K and it never failed me any problems. I consider it a must have, and since it ran quite smoothly on my PDA2k I don't see why it should cause the Exec these issues. Further, I did remove it and still exeprienced the same issues, so that's not the problem either.
2) I've used PocketInfromant for 1.5 years now and no problem on my old PDA2K.
colonel said:
I know this is anachistic but I am also annoyed by the occasional reboot and have discovered (shock horror) that having as few TSRs running (i.e. none) as possible much reduces this. I used to run magic button and I am convinced that this caused the occasional lockup. These days I only have vbar (2.2) installed and run it at times of need (i.e. I don't run it all the time) as well as using the memory item in the settings to kill programs.
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Thanks for the reply, I've been using MagicButton for almost as long as I can remember and it never failed me. It worked superb on my PDA2K. Further, I tried removing it for a few days to check how things would work without it. Same lockups, same memory leaks, same mediocre performance, unfortunately (or fortunately) this isn't the problem either.
weasel said:
Have you tried using the Exec in Corporate mode? It works fine for me
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Sure I actually never ran my Exec in any other mode than the Corporate mode, so I never even experienced the other modes.
jah said:
@ChristopherTD, I setup a dummy Activesync server and then set Activesync to manual and I have found this make my Exec more stable - perhaps it is because it does not lose as much RAM as before.
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Pitty, that's not the issue with my machine as I already did that trick 2 weeks ago.
I just ran memaid to see what running processes do I have and I see to be having the following ones. Note that I have no running programs in the background and no today plugins enabled whasoever, just VoiceCommand I guess is working in the background but that's it. It seems to me that the WM5 core doesn't freeup memory.
Here's what memaid reports
gwes.exe 5.26MB
device.exe 2.83MB
filesys.exe 2.41MB
cprog.exe 2.29MB
VoiceCmd.exe 1.81MB
shell32.exe 1.51MB
(smaller processes below
tmail.exe 275.57KB
services.exe 159.81KB
connmgr.exe 115.81KB
MemMaid.exe 27.90KB
psShutXP.exe 11.90KB
srvtrust.exe 7.90KB
Nk.exe 0 bytes

the most memory you can clear is about 26-29mbytes. The rest of the running processes need to be there. There is a good thread somewhere on what each process does, will post it if I come across it again.
29mb is disappointing considering there is 64mbyte memory, but thats the way WM5 works.
rgds

I've got a O2 XDA ii (himalaya) and im running wm2005 2.01.64
After a soft reset I have 31.x MB or RAM left, even if I dont run a single program or make a single phone call within say 6hours my RAM is at 21-24MB. This has nothing to do with not correctly closing programs but either a wm2005 leak or in my case a lot of the problem is being pointed at SBSH Ilauncher.

Well here is a comparison just done a soft reset started memaid and my results are in brackets after yours for the ones in common running :-
gwes.exe 5.26MB ( 4.6 MB )
device.exe 2.83MB ( 1.46 MB )
filesys.exe 2.41MB (1.82 MB )
cprog.exe 2.29MB ( 1.46 MB )
VoiceCmd.exe 1.81MB
shell32.exe 1.51MB ( 1.21 MB )
(smaller processes below
tmail.exe 275.57KB
services.exe 159.81KB ( 315.76 kb )
connmgr.exe 115.81KB ( 115.81 kb )
MemMaid.exe 27.90KB (23.0 kb )
psShutXP.exe 11.90KB
srvtrust.exe 7.90KB (7.9 kb )
Nk.exe 0 bytes ( 0kb )
also I have :-
Wisbaradv2.exe 787.71 kb
sddaemon.exe 67.9 kb
Pimhelper.exe 11.9 kb
Poutlook,exe 3.9 kb
( i have Wisbar, SPBdiary and pocketzenphone open )
going to have a look later tonight to see if anything changes.
ROM Ver. 1.30.76
Radio 1.09.00
ExtRom ver 1.30.164

I had similar problems when I first bought my O2 exec (on Ebay).
I downloaded the latest update from O2 website and re-flash the phone. I used Corporate install. So far it has been solid and I am even using the phone with Goodlink without a problem.
About the same time I bought the phone, I bought a 2G SD card (sandisk) , when I got the card I insalled a few software on this card (TCMP and Total Commander). Everytime I ran those applications, I can see that the phone crawls like a snail and worse it hangs. It even take a long time for me to transfer files from my laptop to the SD card even when I used a SD Card reader.
I replaced the SD card with a 2G MMC+ (Kingston) and I install the same apps. My phone is working as it should be, I can say that I didnt experience any hanging at all and it was never slow as well. I can even upload a ripped DVD movie on the phone faster compared to when I used the SD card. Right now I have one full season of Alias in my MMC+ card.
I have the phone setup to turnoff after a period of time (3 minutes) when there is no activity as opposed to others that they wanted to have the settings uncheck Start>Settings>Power. I also make sure that the backlight is set to a minimun when on battery and I uncheck the part where the phone will not recieve all incoming beam.
So far, my phone has been stable and battery lasts for 3 days.

From personal experience I found wisbar caused issues with the phone not ringing on an incoming call. It would ring for the first call after a soft reset and then stop for any further calls...
The other major issue which could cause delays and slowness is installing to the sd card any apps which ought to be installed to ram. ie: today plugins etc.

Is It possible to downgrade Prophet with Magician2003SE Rom?

Hi guys, got a question for all of the genius heads out here,
Is it possible to downgrade Prophet to 2003 SE, let’s say using Magicians rom? Will the RUU work at all? It probably will return error “Wrong Rom supplied”? I don’t want to try it just in case it will reflash my device and then would not boot at all!
But got to tell you, this Prophet is way to slow because of this stupid OMAP Processor! I can’t believe that HTC put out a newer model of the phone and downgrade it the processor! Plus this WM 5 OS is slow as a turtle! I don’t care for it at all! So I was wondering if I can put WM 2003 SE in my Prophet and hope it would work a little faster.
Do you guys think it could work? Please let me know what you think. And yes, I’m using the OMAP Overclocker, it brings up to 240 and still 10 times slower then Magician! Takes forever to boot, and to do anything!

Yes, well... I guess that's the trade off for permanent storage and flash rom instead of putting it all in super fast ram.
it's definitely sluggish compared to my older Dopod 700 (BlueAngel) but definitely gets better battery life and I can keep more apps open in the RAM I have.
I don't think you'll have any luck installing WM2003 since it is RAM-based.
I could, of course, be wrong. But I don't think so.

OMAP850 195MHz is better than intel 400MHz as when you compare 1.5G PIV and 2.4G Celeron. . Windows mobile 5 always slow but benefit is good.

Forget it, man. It is no WM2003 for Prophet. Magician has different hardware so has to be different software. I have Imate JAM before and I compare my new S200 and old JAM. S200 reboots after soft reset much longer, but work faster than JAM, no doubts about. OMAP overclock starts after WM5 complete reboot process, so overclocking have no effect for boot time. I don’t see any reasons to soft reset my S200 every week after I complete installations all extra software. As result, long reboot process doesn’t bother me to much.

bombomtr said:
Forget it, man. It is no WM2003 for Prophet. Magician has different hardware so has to be different software. I have Imate JAM before and I compare my new S200 and old JAM. S200 reboots after soft reset much longer, but work faster than JAM, no doubts about. OMAP overclock starts after WM5 complete reboot process, so overclocking have no effect for boot time. I don’t see any reasons to soft reset my S200 every week after I complete installations all extra software. As result, long reboot process doesn’t bother me to much.
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I though so. To bad. I’m sure 2003 would of ran pretty smooth on Prophet. But I don’t see how OMAP 200 is better and faster then PXA. I tried watching a movie in avi or divx or mpeg with high and low video and audio quality. Not that it is a movie theater for me, but pretty nice option on the road. And got to completely different results. Where it runs smooth like dvd quality on Magician and is just plain turtle on the Prophet. And overall performance in various applications in WM 5 invirment is pretty slow. Just plain disappointed. Thinking about buying Atom. Do you guys think WM 5 would work better on PXA ?

Whish rom is faster Qtek or imate? is there a Russian rom
Another question, I’ve experimented with original German rom on my Prophet and now I have i-mate rom 2.13. 9.23 WWE Radio 02.20.21 Some of you guys have qtek, what do you guys say, if you experimented with it of course, which rom is better as far as speed concern? May be I just should change my roms? And hey, is there a russian rom available for prophet, or maccentre is the only option right now? Maccentre doesn’t translate everything in WM 5 though.. But its close.. Thank you!

aleksandr, if your Prophet is 10 times slower than the Magician take it back to the shop because there must be something wrong with it!
I had the JAM for a year and excluding videos (I did not bother to test) the Prophet is at least as fast as the JAM. With many apps open the JAM would also slow down considerably, while with the Prophet open applications do not impact the performance at all!
Plus, the Prophet/Wm5 combo is far more stable than the Jam/2003se combo. Everyone had to soft reset ever now and then with the JAM while almost no one has to reset the Prophet for weeks!

kta said:
aleksandr, if your Prophet is 10 times slower than the Magician take it back to the shop because there must be something wrong with it!
I had the JAM for a year and excluding videos (I did not bother to test) the Prophet is at least as fast as the JAM. With many apps open the JAM would also slow down considerably, while with the Prophet open applications do not impact the performance at all!
Plus, the Prophet/Wm5 combo is far more stable than the Jam/2003se combo. Everyone had to soft reset ever now and then with the JAM while almost no one has to reset the Prophet for weeks!
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Hi, thank you very much for your time and reply. I really appreciate it. Do you think it could be the problem with some applications having compatibility issue with WM 5?
I’m running all the latest applications (freshly downloaded from developers sites) including Pocket Plus, Pocket Breeze, and WisBar Advance. My phoneAlarm wouldn’t run though. I’m using Hudson Mobile Dashboard. These are the applications that are always in memory. And of course OMAP Overclocker set at 240Mhz anything over hangs the prophet. Browsing through the phone lets say with Resco Explorer is a pain since its loading files for 3 minutes even with all sys files and extensions hidden option. Build in File Explorer got the same problem. Tried Commander, same results.. And I can forget about playing the video for example, I shut down WisBar Advance, as it is impossible to use anything else along with it cuz the speed is just way too slooow, and still results are much worst then Magician I have no idea what’s causing it I don’t think it’s a hardware problem, as far a malfunction concern. I guess its either ROM or just it’s the way WM 5 is.. I tried german Rom as well as a i-mates rom. Should I go with Qtek or Dopod may be? Thank you guys for your time and advice!

Video
aleksandr,
The Prophet is my first PPC so I cannot compare speeds with previous versions. However I regularly watch videos on it.
First of all, do not use Media Player bloatware, but TCPMP. Second, it can handle PC-quality AVI's, albeit with certain quality settings it will be slow. However it's a waste, why watch a 700Mb 624x352 video when your PPC's resolution is max 320x240? I use a program to re-encode it to that resolution without any loss of quality in audio or video, it comes down to 300Mb and it works like a dream on the Prophet.

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acer175 said:
aleksandr,
The Prophet is my first PPC so I cannot compare speeds with previous versions. However I regularly watch videos on it.
First of all, do not use Media Player bloatware, but TCPMP. Second, it can handle PC-quality AVI's, albeit with certain quality settings it will be slow. However it's a waste, why watch a 700Mb 624x352 video when your PPC's resolution is max 320x240? I use a program to re-encode it to that resolution without any loss of quality in audio or video, it comes down to 300Mb and it works like a dream on the Prophet.
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Hi, thank you very much for the reply. I really appreciate your input! As I hear about you all experience, it helps me to make up my mind about this prophet. I actually already have it on the ebay for 3 days and still double guessing. I was thinking about going for Atom, but if you guys can share your experience and help me believe in this prophet I’ll keep it and won’t spend bunch of money on Atom. Plus I just love the design of Prophet! Especially this black mate finish
Any way, for video converting I used DVD to pocket PC, Pocket DVD Wizard, Doctor Divx, XiliSof converter, AVM Movie maker, PQ DVD, DESET video maker, microsofts windows media video converter plug-in, Smart video Converter and few others, I used the 240x320 resolution my self with 256 to 700 k sound compression (about 300 to 600 mb) in any case with every program I get pretty much same results, nice and smooth on magician and distorted-like quality on prophet What would you recommend in such a case scenario?

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aleksandr, if your Prophet is 10 times slower than the Magician take it back to the shop because there must be something wrong with it!
I had the JAM for a year and excluding videos (I did not bother to test) the Prophet is at least as fast as the JAM. With many apps open the JAM would also slow down considerably, while with the Prophet open applications do not impact the performance at all!
Plus, the Prophet/Wm5 combo is far more stable than the Jam/2003se combo. Everyone had to soft reset ever now and then with the JAM while almost no one has to reset the Prophet for weeks!
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Hi, thank you very much for your time and reply. I really appreciate it. Do you think it could be the problem with some applications having compatibility issue with WM 5?
I’m running all the latest applications (freshly downloaded from developers sites) including Pocket Plus, Pocket Breeze, and WisBar Advance. My phoneAlarm wouldn’t run though. I’m using Hudson Mobile Dashboard. These are the applications that are always in memory. And of course OMAP Overclocker set at 240Mhz anything over hangs the prophet. Browsing through the phone lets say with Resco Explorer is a pain since its loading files for 3 minutes even with all sys files and extensions hidden option. Build in File Explorer got the same problem. Tried Commander, same results.. And I can forget about playing the video for example, I shut down WisBar Advance, as it is impossible to use anything else along with it cuz the speed is just way too slooow, and still results are much worst then Magician I have no idea what’s causing it I don’t think it’s a hardware problem, as far a malfunction concern. I guess its either ROM or just it’s the way WM 5 is.. I tried german Rom as well as a i-mates rom. Should I go with Qtek or Dopod may be? Thank you guys for your time and advice!
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I have Resco Explorer installed on my Prophet and it's as fast as it gets. I would suggest you take a backup of your device, do a hard reset and install just Resco Explorer. Leave it running for a few days and see how it goes. If you're satisfied with the performance, start installing more applications ONE AT A TIME, allowing at least a day to test the performance after installing each individual program.
I'm pretty sure that the problem you have with performance has to do with 3rd party software.

slow prophet
thank you. I tried that few times. nothing seems to stand out.. it seems slow with any program installed just by it self its still much much slower then magician and I'm just trying to find a way to either speed it up, by configuring it right.. or just see if its just slow pda..

aleksandr,
I have russian WM5 interface translator from Paragon (not sure). It coms with my Qtek S200. I have no idea how good or bad it is because I remove it and never use it. If you do like to try it, let me know and I'll send it to you.

After One Week Of Use...

A week ago my dog ate my Nokia 6820. So I was forced into (but wanting to) get a new phone. I did alot of research and went for the Cingular 8125.
I've had my phone for one week now, and it's the best purchase I've made in a long time. I wanted to post a little something on here since I used the site extensively when researching.
When I first got the phone, I was not quite used to it. I went from the Nokia 6820 to this and have never had a PDA before.
Out of the box the phone was pretty "boring", but over the course of the past week I have installed and tested pretty much everything out there. Needless to say I didn't get much done at work. I may have had to do 5 hard resets, but that's expected when you find a forum like this and can't resist from tricking out your phone with all the latest hacks and tips.
I'm pretty much set now with the way the phone is setup.
Latest Cingular ROM
Pocket Plus
SPB Diary
SPB Weather
TCPMP
Agile Messenger
B Uptime
Eten Dialer
Hitchhiker (Although it sometimes crashes when notifying you when it connects to a hot spot)
Opera
PHM Tray Launch
pRSS Reader
Registry Wizard (Big thanks to the person that wrote that, made applying all the tweaks so much easier)
Total Commander
WiFiFoFum
wmIRC
Smartskey
Overclocked to 240mhz
I have 15.5MB of space left on the main memory after installing all the above apps. Will definitely be picking up a 2GB card soon for tunes and movies.
For a case I ordered the Proporta Book type. It was hard choosing one. Managed to find the site with the 8 review shoot out which made the decision a little easier.
My favorite feature of the phone came today when I was cutting the grass, and was able to stay connected to my wifi. Which meant I was able to tune into my online radio station.
I'm now seriously addicted to this forum, and look forward to testing out more hacks.
Thanks to all the contributors!!!

Awesome. One thing I love about WM5 is how customizable it is. Everybody has their own tastes and WM5 can work around most who understand how to use it.

i installed less then that and i only have 8mb left! wtf?
i have the same phone as you, but i use the t-mo rom. cuz i have t-mo

RANT: Wizard still faster that Hermes.

Let me just say: I'm not expecting a solution to this - I just want to vent. When I got my Hermes (which I love, of course) I gave my Wizard to my wife (which she loves, of course).
But every time I use her Wizard I notice how much faster it seems. Both units are frequently updated with the latest ROMs and are both now on WM6.. ..but it's so frustrating to see how much 'snappier' the Wizard always seems. Just as an example - pressing the power button makes the Wizard spring into life instantly, whereas the Hermes always has a short pause before it lights up The same goes for dialing and changing tabs in Settings, etc. too.
Oh well. I feel a bit better now I've had a moan.

True, but bring yourself back around by trying to surf with PIE on her's once....
or fire up a 96K music stream and see if TCPMP chokes on her's.....
or tether your laptop and see how well you can surf with it on her wiz...
(hopefully you have 3G coverage where you are)

Oh I know, I know (I get lovely HSPDA most of the time too). But has anyone ever figured out why the Wizard is snappier when Hermes ought to have more powerful hardware?

Something odd goes on when Hermes devices return from powersave. I need to find where that code is too b/c there's some real wonders that can be worked. This internal code does stuff like force portrait mode (a workaround for the magnets in the hermes case that place it in landscape mode), and do some battery power checks (which cause our Hermes not to display the last known battery state). During the execution of this routine, the delay occurs...
The Today screen refresh slowness only occurs when a lot off apps (in particular SPB PP) are installed. I personally think that a Hermes with a clean build is quicker from a response standpoint than a Wizard.

I have PocketBreeze installed - in fact it's the only thing I always install after a clean wipe - and it's the only thing on my Today screen.
If I'm honest, I think I let the fact that there's a delay coming out of power-save totally cloud my judgement. And if it were possible to change that through a hack, I'd be over the moon.
If you and other XDA boffins can crack that one, I'll be happy to make a little contribution for the efforts

Well, I'm coming up to speed on Platform builder after installing it for the ATI patch. This IDE lets me poke around in places I've never poked before (heheheheheh). Unfortunately the tools don't fully work on WM6 yet which is what all my hermes have loaded currently. My 8525 will be freed up soon tho & I'll be able to load a AKU3.3 build and get back to projects like this.

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Well, I'm coming up to speed on Platform builder after installing it for the ATI patch. This IDE lets me poke around in places I've never poked before (heheheheheh). Unfortunately the tools don't fully work on WM6 yet which is what all my hermes have loaded currently. My 8525 will be freed up soon tho & I'll be able to load a AKU3.3 build and get back to projects like this.
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I would pay for an app that would make the power on time as fast as the Wizard's.