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Hello:
I was wondering if someone could explain the difference between the BT Stack that comes in the XDA/MDAII and the Widcomm BT Stack. I have read in other forums that this is the reason the XDA/MDAII BT does not work well with many devices.
Can someone clarify? Sorry if this question is too "dumb".
Fernando
The Bluetooth "stack" is the software portion of the Bluetooth. It provides various profiles, like a serial profile to connect to a COM/Serial Port, a network profile, a headset profile, etc. Each device provides different profiles.
MS Bluetooth stack some troubles with COM ports.
People are extracting the WidComm Stack, which comes on Ipaq, and using it on XDA II, till a patch is provided.
@palmop
Please how to do?
step by step
Hi Palmop, here we go again!!!
I am trying to create a bond between my MDAII and a BT device. It is asking me to insert a PIN, which I do not have. The device manufacturer (igo.com) claims that a PIN is not necessary, since their device works well with the iPaqs and the Loox. So I am stuck in the middle of BT stack compatibility.
I have also tried to setup a BT bond between my MDAII and my desktop PC (with a BT USB dongle), and in this case the MDAII does not even recognize the desktop.
Is this all the result of a crappy BT stack in the MDAII? Do you think it can be fixed with a patch, or perhaps the Widcomm stack?
Thanks again for your advice.
Fernando
palmop said:
The Bluetooth "stack" is the software portion of the Bluetooth. It provides various profiles, like a serial profile to connect to a COM/Serial Port, a network profile, a headset profile, etc. Each device provides different profiles.
MS Bluetooth stack some troubles with COM ports.
People are extracting the WidComm Stack, which comes on Ipaq, and using it on XDA II, till a patch is provided.
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Could you please provide link for such resource? Thanks.
I believe you should be able to Active Sync via Bluetooth using current stack, at least, but haven't tried myself.
It is the Bluetooth GPS thread here on XDA-Developers.com, search for widcomm, you'll find it
Thanks. one question has not been answered there - after this mod BT headset is still functional?
Apparently no. However, they have used some files dated May, not the latest. So I don't know if those files would fix it.
I have a XDA II and a TDK BT dongle for my PC and can confirm that it does hook up successfully.
You just need to set the serial port to the COMM port of the BT dongle in Activesync, then hit use bluetooth in the activesync menu.
Dom
my xda 9s connected to async and internet via desktop 0ver BT. Can i browse the desktop pc shared drives over th BT link as well?
Thanks
icarusbop said:
Can i browse the desktop pc shared drives over th BT link as well?
Thanks
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This profile is not yet supported by Microsoft bluetooth stack which is used by XDA.
With a WidCom stack it is possible. Which means that you've to install a second bluetooth stack.
Regards,
Mark
Is it possible to install a WIDCOMM BT stack on the XDAII? I have ROM version 1.66WWE
Angelo
markutah said:
icarusbop said:
Can i browse the desktop pc shared drives over th BT link as well?
Thanks
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This profile is not yet supported by Microsoft bluetooth stack which is used by XDA.
With a WidCom stack it is possible. Which means that you've to install a second bluetooth stack.
Regards,
Mark
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@g3lo
Yes my current ROM is 1.60.00WWE and it works without a problem.
Regards,
Mark
how many other profiles does WidCom support which ms stack dont ?
@Rudegar
Haven't tested because I use it for just network/internet access over bluetooth.
But you can judge it your self. See the 3 screen dumps.
Regards,
Mark
Sorry man,but the connecting to the local Network via BT doesn't work for me ..
So,if someone succesfully did it...let me know.
@unapproachable2kx
Mine works ok!
Does your bluetooth dongle on your PC support network connection?
If yes then enable it.
Pair your devices. On your XDA run de Bluetooth wizard and see if it recognizes the network access service as can be seen on the last picture on this page.
If yes then tap on it and finish.
Connect with the created shortcut to your network.
Hello markutah,
Can you tell me which version of the WIDCOMM stack you have. I already have WIDCOMM version 1.3.1.46 which i downloaded for my iPAQ 3870 running PPC2002. So if its not the same I could download the version that you have.
Thanks
WidCom Version
@g3lo
It says: Bluetooth for Windows CE (BTW-CE)
Version 1.4.1 Build 58
Mark
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=4429&highlight=bluetoothgps+zip+widcom
is this the bluetooth stack you are using ?
and you mention you cant use both stacks at the same time
how does one go about disabling the ms stack then ?
ok. thanks. this is a newer version.
Angelo
Rudegar said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=4429&highlight=bluetoothgps+zip+widcom
is this the bluetooth stack you are using ?
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Yes, that's the one!
Rudegar said:
and you mention you cant use both stacks at the same time
how does one go about disabling the ms stack then ?
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What I mean is that it's not possible to enable both MS BT and WidCom BT at the same time. If MS BT is disabled then one is able to enable the WidCom BT and if WidCom BT is disabled then one is able to enable MS BT.
Mark
so it give me 2 icons ?
and disabling it is just disabling it as in having the icon overcross'd
not some process killing regediting actions ?
Rudegar said:
so it give me 2 icons ?
and disabling it is just disabling it as in having the icon overcross'd
not some process killing regediting actions ?
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Yes that's wright. See the picture!
Mark
thanks i'll try and install and mess a bit with it then
because therminal services would when i login'd to my pc logout the user and disable activesync, breaking the connection which would exit therminal services if i can connect using the other stack and not use activesync with therminal services it would be good
i installed the widcomm stack and i get minor problems. when i put in a name for the bluetooth device and reset it, it comes back to the original name which is Pocket_PC.
I uninstalled it last night. Any workaround for this?
only ping works...
Hello:
I'm trying to set up a
PAN from my XDA to XP-PC over BT
Installed widcomm on xda andXP-PC
I have set the ip address on the BT network connection on the xp machine.
I can connect the PAN from the XP machine to the XDA (the other way (XDA to PC) will not work, the Widcomm stack claims the service is not available on the XP-PC; any ideas why)
I can ping from the pc to the xda and vice versa, but cannot do anything else with the connection. (no netowrk drives or internet connection)
Any ideas why?
also: my home network is on a workgroup - where can I set the workgroup name on the XDA?
thanks icarusbop
@g3lo
Delete the pairing after the change of name and pair again and this problem should be solved
Mark
Re: only ping works...
@icarusbop
-possibility 1:
Maybe your BT dongle (on the PC) doesn't support the PAN. If it does then try getting a newer version of the driver at the manufacturers site.
-Possibility 2:
On the PC side you've to enable certain services. Did you enable the network service?
Mark
I have a step-by-step guide to accessing the internet over bluetooth on my XDA II, but I dont have the program "Bluetooth Manager". Can somebody please tell me if I should have this already, or where I can get it from?
Thanks
Allan
it was a program that came with my bluetooth dongle
when i installed the cd that came with the usb dongle
i small blue icon with the bluetooth logo came up beside my clock
and when i click it bluetooth manager comes up
maybe it have a different name with your dongle or what ever way you have bluetooth in your pc
I am using toshiba's bluetooth stack as BT is built into the laptop. The guide shows bluetooth manager software on the pocket pc too. This is what I require (I think) to connect to the laptop.
Thanks
Allan
looks like you found a guide which is for the vidcmom stack and not the ms stack
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/tribal1.asp
i cant say i know anything about toshiba's bluetooth though
This still seems like BT software for my laptop. I want "bluetooth manager" or other BT software for my XDA II. If you have a look at section 7 of the following link: http://home.comcast.net/~spam-target/activesyncz.html
It shows "bluetooth manager" being used on the XDA.
Any ideas how to get this?
Thanks
Allan
allanmb,
That's 'WIDCOMM Bluetooth Manager' (section 7)
you can get & download in this forum. (try to search )
i wasn't lucky using that.
but you dont need the widcomm bluetooth stack to activesync over bluetooth and so access the internet by using activesync's pass network connection option
if you want the PAN network profile though you'll need to install the widcomm bluetooth stack
Can somebody tell me how to connect my MDA compact to my wlan router via bluetooth ? I've got a bluetooth access point (dlink DBT-900AP) that is connected by ethernet cable to my router/adsl modem.
I want to use email en internet access with my MDA Compact.
The standard built in bluetooth manager seems not to support this LAN access through bluetooth. Who can help me ?
i have the same prob ;-(
i have a qtek2020 and dlink dbt-900ap bluetooth acceess point attached to usrobotics router...
zeee
Ronnie12 said:
Can somebody tell me how to connect my MDA compact to my wlan router via bluetooth ? I've got a bluetooth access point (dlink DBT-900AP) that is connected by ethernet cable to my router/adsl modem.
I want to use email en internet access with my MDA Compact.
The standard built in bluetooth manager seems not to support this LAN access through bluetooth. Who can help me ?
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The BT Lan Access Service using Microsoft BT Stack has been removed in the registry. It's been like that since XDA2.
I do not know if there is a corresponding driver available in MDA Compact such that you can re-enable the service via updated registry entries.
Anyone?
i think it needs the ppp bluetooth profile
and ms bluetooth stack dont have that
vidcomm bluetooth stack does....
you can try using that
henrylim said:
The BT Lan Access Service using Microsoft BT Stack has been removed in the registry. It's been like that since XDA2.
I do not know if there is a corresponding driver available in MDA Compact such that you can re-enable the service via updated registry entries.
Anyone?
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Found the reg entry with missing configuration:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Services\00001102-0000-1000-8000-00805F9B34FB]
@="Lan Access"
and here are some more...
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Services\00001105-0000-1000-8000-00805F9B34FB]
@="OBEX Push"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Services\00001106-0000-1000-8000-00805F9B34FB]
@="OBEX FTP"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Services\00001112-0000-1000-8000-00805F9B34FB]
@="Headset Audio Gateway"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Services\00001124-0000-1000-8000-00805F9B34FB]
@="HID"
Anyone knows enough of these entries?
just add those to your device, apply the other things from msdn you've found and restart your device. then scan your ppc on the pc for open services...
I have found a workaround
I'm the happy owner of an MDA Compact and a Siemens blue2net access point. Indeed, the Microsoft Bluetooth stack refused to talk to the access point, which only offers the "Lan Access" profile.
I tried the suggested registry hack. Good idea, but sadly it does not work. It would appear that the "Lan Access" profile is simply not supported by the Bluetooth stack - it has not just been disabled by deleting a few registry entries
However, I found a workaround. After a few hours of fighting with the Microsoft stack, I downloaded a free Bluetooth stack from Toshiba (http://aps.toshiba-tro.de/bluetooth/) that supports the "Lan Access" profile. I did a full backup of my MDA Compact, adopted the "brace position", and prepared for a crash landing (aka hard reset).
After installing the Toshiba Bluetooth stack, I simply had to do a soft reset to activate it. Big surprise for me: my MDA still worked. Clicking the Microsoft Bluetooth icon in the status bar now told me that my toy had no Bluetooth support; however, clicking the new Toshiba Bluetooth icon brought up a different (and better, IMHO) Bluetooth interface. From here I could see the blue2net access point. Not only that - I could actually connect to it. The rest was piece of cake: add the Bluetooth device and configure a modem connection via it. I am now happily surfing the web via Bluetooth
The only caveats I have so far are these:
1) I now have a disfunctional Microsoft Bluetooth icon in the status line. I would like to get rid of that. Please drop me a note if someone knows how to do that.
2) When using the Toshiba Bluetooth stack, the diode above the screen does not blink blue when Bluetooth is active. A small price to pay for having internet access
i am about to do as lars_juhl has stated on my xda II knowning that he messed with mda compact and i have a xda II but still i am going to do as he has stated will let you guys know wat happens.
FINGERS CROSSED !!
ok ive downloaded bluetooth stack v3.10.00 from the link that you've given and after extracting the contents of the zipped file on my desktop i have.
1.QFE (FOLDER)
2.SD_HOST_driver (Folder)
3.us (Folder)
4.AutoAns (Exe)
5.AutoOn (Exe)
6.AutoSetup (Config File I Guess)
7.lmgLoad.dll
8.Setup (Exe)
9.TbpSetup (Exe)
10.TbpSetup (Config)
11.TosBtLoad.dll
12.Uninstall
care to tell me which is the file that you installed on your pda as a bluetooth profile and i shall follow you.
regards
jeetz
I think you're supposed to download the 'Pocket PC 2002 / Windows Mobile 2003' bluetooth stack. This shows version 5.01.
Goodluck.
@lars_juhl ??
help needed here
Re: I have found a workaround
lars_juhl said:
However, I found a workaround. After a few hours of fighting with the Microsoft stack, I downloaded a free Bluetooth stack from Toshiba (http://aps.toshiba-tro.de/bluetooth/) that supports the "Lan Access" profile. I did a full backup of my MDA Compact, adopted the "brace position", and prepared for a crash landing (aka hard reset).
1) I now have a disfunctional Microsoft Bluetooth icon in the status line. I would like to get rid of that. Please drop me a note if someone knows how to do that.
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Hi,
I've one question:
(a) Apart from Internet access, do you have other BT functions working?
e.g. Headset/Handsfree, BT ActiveSync??
The BT Tray Icon can be removed by deleting this registry key
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Services\BTIcon]
then reboot.
If you don't wish to remove the key, you can disable it by editing this parameter value under the registry key
change
"Dll"="BTIcon_Dll.dll" to
"Dll"="BTIcon_Dll.dll.disabled"
then reboot. When WM2003SE tries to load the Dll driver, it can't find it and therefore the MS BT system tray icon will not be activated.
The download is here:
http://aps.toshiba-tro.de/bluetooth/pages/download.php
Works great on my MDA Compact too (DLINK BT-900ap).
Many thanks for this idea.
Does anyone know if there is a way to turn on/off the bluetooth radio once this stack has been installed ? I have the feeling that it is always on, consuming precious energy...
BTW has anyone tried headsets with this stack. Do they work ?
Thanks agian,
Martin
andrewpmoore said:
The download is here:
http://aps.toshiba-tro.de/bluetooth/pages/download.php
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i did that mate downloaded the english version compatible with xp, but i wanna find out after downloading and extracting it which is the file that i am suppose to run so that the stack is installed on my pda ?
....my bt headset was recognized an paired (anycom headset) ... but is NOT working when calling...
thinksmart said:
Works great on my MDA Compact too (DLINK BT-900ap).
Many thanks for this idea.
Does anyone know if there is a way to turn on/off the bluetooth radio once this stack has been installed ? I have the feeling that it is always on, consuming precious energy...
BTW has anyone tried headsets with this stack. Do they work ?
Thanks agian,
Martin
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Yeah, I have the same question.
And one more: After turning off/on toshiba bt icon disappers. How to fix it?
it works for me but how can i turn bluetooth off ?!! i think it goes ON all the time
Yeah, the BT icon is disappearing after turning the device off as well as sometimes ramdomly.
The set-up app (bt_setup) cannot be restarted without soft reset, I get following error "An error occured with th Buetooth Card Confirm that the card is working properly."
M.
I installed the Toshiba bluetooth stack on my I-Mate Jam and it ROCKS - it includes ALL the functionality missing in the MS stack!
...BUT...
It is unstable as hell (I have experience all the bugs listed in this thread) and I am fairly sure this is due to the fact that both MS and Toshiba stacks try to use the same bluetooth hardware SIMULTANEOUSLY.
...SO...
has anyone figured how deinstall/reinstall the microsoft bluetooth stack on a Magician (I-Mate Jam, Qtek S-100, MDA Compact, XDA Mini)?
Hi there,
I have an Qtek 2020 and I've installed WM2005.
ROM version 1.60a.00WWE
Radio Version: 1.14.00
Protocol version: 1337.24
I want to use newtwork access service but I cant.
when I want to setup this service in My Bluetooth places. it sais no Device found. and when I find manually it sais that your device has not network access profile.
I tried to install WIDCOMM BTW-CE but it didnt installed. it sais that no bluetooth radio found!!
I really need network access. Please help me!!!!!
if you can sync with activesync using bluetooth then you can connect
not sure if 2005 BT stack support the bluetooth PAN profile
and not sure if there are any widcomm out for 2005 yet
I had this problem also before I install WM2005 with the same error.
I thaught maybe I should upgrade my radio versio !!!!
the radiostack is only related to GSM not bluetooth
these are guides as to how you activesync with bluetooth
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?ContentId=3163
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=2417
Most of the time.. its more acurate when you connect from PC to PPC not PPC to PC.
I think my English is very bad
I can connect to ActiveSync without any problems.
My problem is to use Network Access service.
I have no problem with other services sych as Audio Gateway, Headset, Ativesync, Serial port and...
when you are connected with activesync then you have network access!
if you minimize activesync while it's connected then you can just open IE or messenger or what ever
that is unless you disabled it in activesycn on the pc or the firewall on the pc block it
or if you have set it to use your isp network insted of your my network in connections on the pocketpc
No... you didn't understand me.
I want have an IP address for my pocket PC as you connect with WiFi.
And explore the shared folder of the network PCs with Resco File Explorer.
Wee this picture.
When I connect with USB my pocket PC get and IP address and I can ping it.
I want to do this also when I connect via bluetooth.[/img]
oh dident know that activesync using bluetooth did not assign an ip to the xda2
well then there are 2 options i guess
1 find a widcomm or another bluetooth stack that works on 2005 which support the PAN profile (pan is network over bluetooth as in not using activesync)
2 downgrade to 2003SE or 2003 and get the widcomm stack which works for it and support PAN
I've installed the WIDCOMM. but the previouse BLutoth stack did't remove. and now I have too icons of bluetooth!!!
but widcomm did't work properly and it sais that: "The Bluetooth radio failed to turn ON due ro insuffivent driver menory available. [!!!] you must perform a normal reset before you can turn ON the Bluetooth Radio.
eAfzali said:
I've installed the WIDCOMM. but the previouse BLutoth stack did't remove. and now I have too icons of bluetooth!!!
but widcomm did't work properly and it sais that: "The Bluetooth radio failed to turn ON due ro insuffivent driver menory available. [!!!] you must perform a normal reset before you can turn ON the Bluetooth Radio.
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Try to use PocketLanCe: www.pocketlance.com
I have the same problem... htc p4350, wm5 aku3/3.5 the wm device doesn't see the Network Access bluetooth service which the PC is running. (pocket pc doesn't seem to support Bluetooth PAN correctly). This is crap. In the year 2007, simple things like bluetooth pan shouldn't go unimplemented in an operating system built by the richest software company in the world. on a device i paid $500 for. i could implement this stuff myself in less than a week if the code weren't closed source. gosh i hate hate HATE our world.
also the pocketlance website is password protected..