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BT Stack Question

Hello:
I was wondering if someone could explain the difference between the BT Stack that comes in the XDA/MDAII and the Widcomm BT Stack. I have read in other forums that this is the reason the XDA/MDAII BT does not work well with many devices.
Can someone clarify? Sorry if this question is too "dumb".
Fernando

The Bluetooth "stack" is the software portion of the Bluetooth. It provides various profiles, like a serial profile to connect to a COM/Serial Port, a network profile, a headset profile, etc. Each device provides different profiles.
MS Bluetooth stack some troubles with COM ports.
People are extracting the WidComm Stack, which comes on Ipaq, and using it on XDA II, till a patch is provided.

@palmop
Please how to do?
step by step

Hi Palmop, here we go again!!!
I am trying to create a bond between my MDAII and a BT device. It is asking me to insert a PIN, which I do not have. The device manufacturer (igo.com) claims that a PIN is not necessary, since their device works well with the iPaqs and the Loox. So I am stuck in the middle of BT stack compatibility.
I have also tried to setup a BT bond between my MDAII and my desktop PC (with a BT USB dongle), and in this case the MDAII does not even recognize the desktop.
Is this all the result of a crappy BT stack in the MDAII? Do you think it can be fixed with a patch, or perhaps the Widcomm stack?
Thanks again for your advice.
Fernando

palmop said:
The Bluetooth "stack" is the software portion of the Bluetooth. It provides various profiles, like a serial profile to connect to a COM/Serial Port, a network profile, a headset profile, etc. Each device provides different profiles.
MS Bluetooth stack some troubles with COM ports.
People are extracting the WidComm Stack, which comes on Ipaq, and using it on XDA II, till a patch is provided.
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Could you please provide link for such resource? Thanks.

I believe you should be able to Active Sync via Bluetooth using current stack, at least, but haven't tried myself.
It is the Bluetooth GPS thread here on XDA-Developers.com, search for widcomm, you'll find it

Thanks. one question has not been answered there - after this mod BT headset is still functional?

Apparently no. However, they have used some files dated May, not the latest. So I don't know if those files would fix it.

I have a XDA II and a TDK BT dongle for my PC and can confirm that it does hook up successfully.
You just need to set the serial port to the COMM port of the BT dongle in Activesync, then hit use bluetooth in the activesync menu.
Dom

How to activesync with bluetooth?

I have a Sony Vaio which has built in bluetooth. When I pair the XDA2 with it, it can not see any serial profile on the XDA2. Also the BT implementation of Microsoft on the XDA2 does not do much as well. The pairing of the machines from XDA2 gives you the message that it's ready for activesync via bluetooth but that's BS. When you choose activesync via bluetooth from the XDA2, my VAIO shows an instant try of serial connection between the devices but it does not stay there.
The bluetooth implementation on the VAIO is also Microsoft BT stack and it sees the XDA2 as a DUN device, which installs a modem at port 10 to use the XDA2 as a modem. So some part of this works, except the activesync.
Any help would be appreciated.
Also, I have contacted NAVMAN GPS in Europe and they have confirmed that they just sent an XDA2 to New Zealand to their developers to find a solution for the strange pairing problem (NAVMAN GPS only accepts "NAVMAN" as the pairing PIN but you can only enter numbers at the XDA2 pairing software)

I have exactly the same problem as you with my Sony VAIO Z1 SP laptop. I have posted a separate thread but so far no-one has been able to get my bluetooth activesync working. Have you had any luck yet?

No not yet, I've downloaded sony's updates for bluetooth from www.vaio-link.com, but it didn't help the problem. I'll keep on working on this, let me know if you have a solution.

I had a similar problem with a Tosh laptop, but after upgrading to the latest stack was okay. Although I still couldnt configure from the tosh laptop (no serial port recognised), when following the instructions within the bluetooth HOWTO on the o2 website it worked fine
http://www.myxda.com/XdaII/serviceandsupport/template/XdaIIHowToUse.vm
Seems to work okay to other people I've suggested it to as well who were having trouble

kulltogi said:
No not yet, I've downloaded sony's updates for bluetooth from www.vaio-link.com, but it didn't help the problem. I'll keep on working on this, let me know if you have a solution.
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Uninstall Bluespace NE and use a Widcomm-BT Stack instead. Works fine with my MDA II (Towa Pocket Bluetooth Tools installed) and Sony Vaio PCG-Z1RSP.
You have to edit btwusb.inf before installing the Widcomm-Stack:
[WIDCOMM]
%SONYZ1.DeviceDesc%=BTWUSB, USB\VID_044e&PID_3003 ; SONY VAIO VID&PID
[strings]
SONYZ1.DeviceDesc="Sony VAIO Z1 Bluetooth Device"

How can you download the WidComm stack. Can this stack also be used on a Toshiba Satelite Pro m10. i have troubles with the toshiba bluetooth stack..

mdissel said:
How can you download the WidComm stack. Can this stack also be used on a Toshiba Satelite Pro m10. i have troubles with the toshiba bluetooth stack..
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Should work if the internal transceiver is also manufactured by Cambridge Silicon Radio (CSR).
For instructions on installing different versions of the WidComm BT-stack,[includig the Dell one] have a look at this forum
http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/forumdisplay.php?f=231
You can also look at this page for a step by step guide (not verified - "never touch a running system"):
http://www.jonscaife.com/

I had problems using activesync via bluetooth with a cheap class 1 dongle (Microtune I think) but managed to get it working by installing the Pocket Bluetooth stuff from the links in other threads (german internet site) and by following the instructions at http://www.jonscaife.com/ and installing the Widcomm stack linked from there (1.4.something I think) rather than the one that came with my dongle (1.3.2.7 I think).
Everything now works a treat - thanks Slartibartfass for the link - saved my hair from being pulled out.

http://bluetooth.i-networx.de/index_e.html

EZ Solution
I just found an easy solution for u guys who using Toshiba Bluetooth Stack ...
U guys no need to remove anything ...
All u need to do is verify the COM port of ur bluetooth ...
1. Go to the “Bluetooth Local COM” Applet in your Control Panel
2.Open “Bluetooth Local COM” applet where you will see a list of Ports
3. The Corerct port you need to use is
“COM7 Toshiba BT Port (COM7) LocalCOM-Server[SerialPort(TOSHIBA LocalCOM)]
and not “COM6 Toshiba BT Port (COM6) LocalCOM-Client”
From this guy here ... << http://thinkabdul.com/2006/10/12/tu...c-via-bluetooth-with-toshiba-bluetooth-stack/ >> TQ sir ...
Then ... u guys need to use ur REGEDIT to find this ...
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows CE Services
Notice there is SerialPort ?? yes ... JUST CHANGE THE string 'Bluetooth' to COM7 ...
After this just pair ur wat ever PDA u've got & thats it ... u got the ACTIVESYNC in the advance option of the services available ...
Hope u guys enjoy !!!

browse my home network over BT link

my xda 9s connected to async and internet via desktop 0ver BT. Can i browse the desktop pc shared drives over th BT link as well?
Thanks

icarusbop said:
Can i browse the desktop pc shared drives over th BT link as well?
Thanks
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This profile is not yet supported by Microsoft bluetooth stack which is used by XDA.
With a WidCom stack it is possible. Which means that you've to install a second bluetooth stack.
Regards,
Mark

Is it possible to install a WIDCOMM BT stack on the XDAII? I have ROM version 1.66WWE
Angelo
markutah said:
icarusbop said:
Can i browse the desktop pc shared drives over th BT link as well?
Thanks
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This profile is not yet supported by Microsoft bluetooth stack which is used by XDA.
With a WidCom stack it is possible. Which means that you've to install a second bluetooth stack.
Regards,
Mark
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@g3lo
Yes my current ROM is 1.60.00WWE and it works without a problem.
Regards,
Mark

how many other profiles does WidCom support which ms stack dont ?

@Rudegar
Haven't tested because I use it for just network/internet access over bluetooth.
But you can judge it your self. See the 3 screen dumps.
Regards,
Mark

Sorry man,but the connecting to the local Network via BT doesn't work for me ..
So,if someone succesfully did it...let me know.

@unapproachable2kx
Mine works ok!
Does your bluetooth dongle on your PC support network connection?
If yes then enable it.
Pair your devices. On your XDA run de Bluetooth wizard and see if it recognizes the network access service as can be seen on the last picture on this page.
If yes then tap on it and finish.
Connect with the created shortcut to your network.

Hello markutah,
Can you tell me which version of the WIDCOMM stack you have. I already have WIDCOMM version 1.3.1.46 which i downloaded for my iPAQ 3870 running PPC2002. So if its not the same I could download the version that you have.
Thanks

WidCom Version
@g3lo
It says: Bluetooth for Windows CE (BTW-CE)
Version 1.4.1 Build 58
Mark

http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=4429&highlight=bluetoothgps+zip+widcom
is this the bluetooth stack you are using ?
and you mention you cant use both stacks at the same time
how does one go about disabling the ms stack then ?

ok. thanks. this is a newer version.
Angelo

Rudegar said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=4429&highlight=bluetoothgps+zip+widcom
is this the bluetooth stack you are using ?
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Yes, that's the one!
Rudegar said:
and you mention you cant use both stacks at the same time
how does one go about disabling the ms stack then ?
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What I mean is that it's not possible to enable both MS BT and WidCom BT at the same time. If MS BT is disabled then one is able to enable the WidCom BT and if WidCom BT is disabled then one is able to enable MS BT.
Mark

so it give me 2 icons ?
and disabling it is just disabling it as in having the icon overcross'd
not some process killing regediting actions ?

Rudegar said:
so it give me 2 icons ?
and disabling it is just disabling it as in having the icon overcross'd
not some process killing regediting actions ?
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Yes that's wright. See the picture!
Mark

thanks i'll try and install and mess a bit with it then
because therminal services would when i login'd to my pc logout the user and disable activesync, breaking the connection which would exit therminal services if i can connect using the other stack and not use activesync with therminal services it would be good

i installed the widcomm stack and i get minor problems. when i put in a name for the bluetooth device and reset it, it comes back to the original name which is Pocket_PC.
I uninstalled it last night. Any workaround for this?

only ping works...
Hello:
I'm trying to set up a
PAN from my XDA to XP-PC over BT
Installed widcomm on xda andXP-PC
I have set the ip address on the BT network connection on the xp machine.
I can connect the PAN from the XP machine to the XDA (the other way (XDA to PC) will not work, the Widcomm stack claims the service is not available on the XP-PC; any ideas why)
I can ping from the pc to the xda and vice versa, but cannot do anything else with the connection. (no netowrk drives or internet connection)
Any ideas why?
also: my home network is on a workgroup - where can I set the workgroup name on the XDA?
thanks icarusbop

@g3lo
Delete the pairing after the change of name and pair again and this problem should be solved
Mark

Re: only ping works...
@icarusbop
-possibility 1:
Maybe your BT dongle (on the PC) doesn't support the PAN. If it does then try getting a newer version of the driver at the manufacturers site.
-Possibility 2:
On the PC side you've to enable certain services. Did you enable the network service?
Mark

Lan access with MDA Compact via bluetooth accespoint.

Can somebody tell me how to connect my MDA compact to my wlan router via bluetooth ? I've got a bluetooth access point (dlink DBT-900AP) that is connected by ethernet cable to my router/adsl modem.
I want to use email en internet access with my MDA Compact.
The standard built in bluetooth manager seems not to support this LAN access through bluetooth. Who can help me ?

i have the same prob ;-(
i have a qtek2020 and dlink dbt-900ap bluetooth acceess point attached to usrobotics router...
zeee

Ronnie12 said:
Can somebody tell me how to connect my MDA compact to my wlan router via bluetooth ? I've got a bluetooth access point (dlink DBT-900AP) that is connected by ethernet cable to my router/adsl modem.
I want to use email en internet access with my MDA Compact.
The standard built in bluetooth manager seems not to support this LAN access through bluetooth. Who can help me ?
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The BT Lan Access Service using Microsoft BT Stack has been removed in the registry. It's been like that since XDA2.
I do not know if there is a corresponding driver available in MDA Compact such that you can re-enable the service via updated registry entries.
Anyone?

i think it needs the ppp bluetooth profile
and ms bluetooth stack dont have that
vidcomm bluetooth stack does....
you can try using that

henrylim said:
The BT Lan Access Service using Microsoft BT Stack has been removed in the registry. It's been like that since XDA2.
I do not know if there is a corresponding driver available in MDA Compact such that you can re-enable the service via updated registry entries.
Anyone?
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Found the reg entry with missing configuration:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Services\00001102-0000-1000-8000-00805F9B34FB]
@="Lan Access"
and here are some more...
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Services\00001105-0000-1000-8000-00805F9B34FB]
@="OBEX Push"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Services\00001106-0000-1000-8000-00805F9B34FB]
@="OBEX FTP"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Services\00001112-0000-1000-8000-00805F9B34FB]
@="Headset Audio Gateway"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Services\00001124-0000-1000-8000-00805F9B34FB]
@="HID"
Anyone knows enough of these entries?

just add those to your device, apply the other things from msdn you've found and restart your device. then scan your ppc on the pc for open services...

I have found a workaround
I'm the happy owner of an MDA Compact and a Siemens blue2net access point. Indeed, the Microsoft Bluetooth stack refused to talk to the access point, which only offers the "Lan Access" profile.
I tried the suggested registry hack. Good idea, but sadly it does not work. It would appear that the "Lan Access" profile is simply not supported by the Bluetooth stack - it has not just been disabled by deleting a few registry entries
However, I found a workaround. After a few hours of fighting with the Microsoft stack, I downloaded a free Bluetooth stack from Toshiba (http://aps.toshiba-tro.de/bluetooth/) that supports the "Lan Access" profile. I did a full backup of my MDA Compact, adopted the "brace position", and prepared for a crash landing (aka hard reset).
After installing the Toshiba Bluetooth stack, I simply had to do a soft reset to activate it. Big surprise for me: my MDA still worked. Clicking the Microsoft Bluetooth icon in the status bar now told me that my toy had no Bluetooth support; however, clicking the new Toshiba Bluetooth icon brought up a different (and better, IMHO) Bluetooth interface. From here I could see the blue2net access point. Not only that - I could actually connect to it. The rest was piece of cake: add the Bluetooth device and configure a modem connection via it. I am now happily surfing the web via Bluetooth
The only caveats I have so far are these:
1) I now have a disfunctional Microsoft Bluetooth icon in the status line. I would like to get rid of that. Please drop me a note if someone knows how to do that.
2) When using the Toshiba Bluetooth stack, the diode above the screen does not blink blue when Bluetooth is active. A small price to pay for having internet access

i am about to do as lars_juhl has stated on my xda II knowning that he messed with mda compact and i have a xda II but still i am going to do as he has stated will let you guys know wat happens.
FINGERS CROSSED !!

ok ive downloaded bluetooth stack v3.10.00 from the link that you've given and after extracting the contents of the zipped file on my desktop i have.
1.QFE (FOLDER)
2.SD_HOST_driver (Folder)
3.us (Folder)
4.AutoAns (Exe)
5.AutoOn (Exe)
6.AutoSetup (Config File I Guess)
7.lmgLoad.dll
8.Setup (Exe)
9.TbpSetup (Exe)
10.TbpSetup (Config)
11.TosBtLoad.dll
12.Uninstall
care to tell me which is the file that you installed on your pda as a bluetooth profile and i shall follow you.
regards
jeetz

I think you're supposed to download the 'Pocket PC 2002 / Windows Mobile 2003' bluetooth stack. This shows version 5.01.
Goodluck.

@lars_juhl ??
help needed here

Re: I have found a workaround
lars_juhl said:
However, I found a workaround. After a few hours of fighting with the Microsoft stack, I downloaded a free Bluetooth stack from Toshiba (http://aps.toshiba-tro.de/bluetooth/) that supports the "Lan Access" profile. I did a full backup of my MDA Compact, adopted the "brace position", and prepared for a crash landing (aka hard reset).
1) I now have a disfunctional Microsoft Bluetooth icon in the status line. I would like to get rid of that. Please drop me a note if someone knows how to do that.
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Hi,
I've one question:
(a) Apart from Internet access, do you have other BT functions working?
e.g. Headset/Handsfree, BT ActiveSync??
The BT Tray Icon can be removed by deleting this registry key
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Services\BTIcon]
then reboot.
If you don't wish to remove the key, you can disable it by editing this parameter value under the registry key
change
"Dll"="BTIcon_Dll.dll" to
"Dll"="BTIcon_Dll.dll.disabled"
then reboot. When WM2003SE tries to load the Dll driver, it can't find it and therefore the MS BT system tray icon will not be activated.

The download is here:
http://aps.toshiba-tro.de/bluetooth/pages/download.php

Works great on my MDA Compact too (DLINK BT-900ap).
Many thanks for this idea.
Does anyone know if there is a way to turn on/off the bluetooth radio once this stack has been installed ? I have the feeling that it is always on, consuming precious energy...
BTW has anyone tried headsets with this stack. Do they work ?
Thanks agian,
Martin

andrewpmoore said:
The download is here:
http://aps.toshiba-tro.de/bluetooth/pages/download.php
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i did that mate downloaded the english version compatible with xp, but i wanna find out after downloading and extracting it which is the file that i am suppose to run so that the stack is installed on my pda ?

....my bt headset was recognized an paired (anycom headset) ... but is NOT working when calling...

thinksmart said:
Works great on my MDA Compact too (DLINK BT-900ap).
Many thanks for this idea.
Does anyone know if there is a way to turn on/off the bluetooth radio once this stack has been installed ? I have the feeling that it is always on, consuming precious energy...
BTW has anyone tried headsets with this stack. Do they work ?
Thanks agian,
Martin
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Yeah, I have the same question.
And one more: After turning off/on toshiba bt icon disappers. How to fix it?

it works for me but how can i turn bluetooth off ?!! i think it goes ON all the time

Yeah, the BT icon is disappearing after turning the device off as well as sometimes ramdomly.
The set-up app (bt_setup) cannot be restarted without soft reset, I get following error "An error occured with th Buetooth Card Confirm that the card is working properly."
M.

I installed the Toshiba bluetooth stack on my I-Mate Jam and it ROCKS - it includes ALL the functionality missing in the MS stack!
...BUT...
It is unstable as hell (I have experience all the bugs listed in this thread) and I am fairly sure this is due to the fact that both MS and Toshiba stacks try to use the same bluetooth hardware SIMULTANEOUSLY.
...SO...
has anyone figured how deinstall/reinstall the microsoft bluetooth stack on a Magician (I-Mate Jam, Qtek S-100, MDA Compact, XDA Mini)?

how to setup ActiveSync v3.8.0 via bluetooth on xda II mini?

hi ppl
as the title suggests can someone please post some info on how to setup an ActiveSync connection from my PC to my xda mini via bluetooth?
the mini is running Win Pocket PC 2003
thanks

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=449

thanks!
however i get to the :
"Select the Options button..." - in Microsoft ActiveSync.
But the "options" button is actually greyed out for me, so i cant get any further...any ideas?

if it's on the pocketpc then first you need to bond with the pc
if it's on the pc then you need to choose a com port which the bluetooth use as a valid com connection if the pda use vidomm bluetooth stack then the site also have a guide to set it up using that

My magician doesn't have a bluetooth configuration like that in figures.
Mine is MUCH MORE simple.
Looking at the figures it seems that the bluetooth stack on that pocket pc is the widcomm...
Anyone knows how to upgrade the bluetooth stack on my Magician?
..or better.. is there a way to use it with the current bluetooth implementation?

prob because you picked the wrong guide?
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=2417