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Laptop GPRS via BT on PDA

I have scoured the forums and the nice BT how-to's at geekzone web site but still can not get this connection set up. I want internet access on my laptop (W2000Pro) via BT connection to PDA (PDA2k) using GPRS on PDA. Maybe I just am using the wrong number to dial. I thought it is *99# for AT&T W here in the US. Detailed instruction on PC and PDA end will be much appreciated.

Have you put the modem string in?
On the laptop go to Control Pane > Phone and Modems > Modems
Highlight the XDA connection and click Properties > Advanced tab
In the 'Extra Initialization commands' field enter
at+cgdcont=1,"ip","Service provider"
for service provider it could be AT&T.com; you will have to find that out!

swamp2 said:
I have scoured the forums and the nice BT how-to's at geekzone web site but still can not get this connection set up. I want internet access on my laptop (W2000Pro) via BT connection to PDA (PDA2k) using GPRS on PDA. Maybe I just am using the wrong number to dial. I thought it is *99# for AT&T W here in the US. Detailed instruction on PC and PDA end will be much appreciated.
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There are a few factors to consider when attempting to use a PDA as a GPRS modem, as follows:
1) PDA devices, throughout several years of my testing/engineering experience in the wireless data industry do not make good GPRS modems (In fact, most of them do not function as modems - as it was originally intended by the manufacturer)
2) The Win2k Pro has to be at least Service Pack3 for decent GPRS connectivity (I am going to assume that it is either SP3 or SP4 on your box)
3) Under control panel > phone/modem options (as mentioned by the person below) you need to click on the "modems" tab, then highlight your PDA modem and click the "Properties" tab....Here you will click the "Advanced" tab, AND in the "extra initialization command" bar you will enter the following string (case-sensitive) at+cgdcont=1,"IP","proxy" ....don't leave spaces in the string...then click OK and OK again (or apply and OK, whatever the option is)
4) Most importantly, you need to make sure that your SIM card from ATTWS/Cingular is accurately provisioned for the GPRS PDP option. (If it's not yet, you will need to call the ATT Wireless Customer Care/or Cingular Customer Care -whatever it is called right now)
5) You will then go into the Control Panel > Network/Dialup Connections and "create a new" manual DUN connection using that PDA modem driver (not your internal modem driver obviously - you would be amazed how many ppl make that mistake)...You will want to dial *99# ....You don't want to use ANY area code or dialing rules, and you want use both a blank username and a blank password (make sure "save password" is checked)
In conclusion....Provided that all of the aforementioned components are in place, you should be able to connect and browse/get mail, whatever your needs are.....depending on the capabilities of your PDA modem, you will get anywhere from 28kbps to 70 kbps for your data throughput.
Enjoy,
Sincerely,
Your local neighborhood friendly GPRS expert :lol:
PS. I just realized that you are using BT as your connection means (which implies you have to use Bluetooth Neighborhood, Bluetooth Places, or Bluetooth Devices, one of the above anyway........Therefore, just apply the settings I gave you to the Bluetooth DUN setup (instead of the Windows DUN setup)...You should see your PDA modem as a "bluetooth Dialup modem" on com6 or something of that nature.....
Cheers 8)

Finally got it - was easy in the end
A correction... I am using XP SP2 not 2000 (duh). Anyway I got the connection working and it all seems very easy in retrospect.
For anyone else having this problem: You just need to find the services offered by your pda2k through your "BT Places" on the laptop. Dial up networking will be offered, choose that and a shortcut will be created automatically in BT Places. All else was automatic, just dbl click Dial-up Networking. You will see a dialog on pda2k explaining the connection, you get a phone icon in banner area and then use the internet on your laptop just like normal. In case it does not happen automatically you just need to make sure you have a BT modem in Control Panel/Modems on a COM port and a BT connection using that modem with number *99#, no other options or settings required.

Glad you figured this out!
I was going to suggest using the Widcomm drivers found on this forum. I switched and was able to get a DUN service.
On another note if you are using the MS BT drivers, I found that if you establish an Activesync connection via BT, you can setup the outgoing serial port as the BT modem.

Using Jam as Blutooth GPRS modem for laptop with Vodafone UK

I'm trying to get a net connection for my laptop over bluetooth through my Jam.
I'm on Vodafone UK & they provide software called "Connect Me" for the laptop but, of course, the list of supported phones during setup doesn't include the Jam or any PPC Phone device.
Does anyone know how else I can go about this?
Cheers,
M1

Hey. It shouldn't be too difficult. The only thing you need is to start the modem application on your Magician and (provided that you have a working GPRS connection for your provider already configured) enter the exact (!) name of this connection (on my Magician it's the GPRS connection under "ISP" - use the name of this GPRS connection, not ISP!) in Options->Use preset GPRS APN and also check the box. Then you have to go to the settings on your PC, check in your Bluetooth manager the available services and click the modem service (SSA or something). There you have to enter your name and password of the provider and as phone number (at least for german providers) *99#. In the last step, you might have to check the TCP/IP settings and set them the way your provider needs them to be. Hope it helps.

Thanks Dandie - I'll give it a go....

Nope - sorry - I'm totally baffled.
My GPRS connection on the phone is fine in normal use and is names "voda gprs".
By "the modem application" I assume you mean "Wireless Modem".
In the tools/option menu I have "Preset GPRS Connections" checked and the APN box completed as "voda gprs"
The connection type is set to bluetooth.
Whjen I press the "Start" button not a lot happens. It doesn't connect to my GPRS service.
However, if I connect to my GPRS service manually by clicking the connection icon in the bar at the top and clicking "connect GPRS" the "Connection" box in WModem turns yellow - which I assume is a good thing.
I have bluetooth turned on on my jam and my laptop (sony vaio) and the devices are already paired.
However - the laptop BT manager (Bluespace NE) only shows the following services available on my Jam: File Push/Serial/vCard & Dial up Networking.
No modem service. Clicking dial up networking gives me Dial-up networking Com 8 & Serial Port Com 10 options which I have enabled. But clicking dial up networking just pops up the options box again and doesnt seem to connect.
Launching browser on laptop having done all this = still no connection.
Jeez - I'm not new to this and have had this laptop connected to numerous mobile phones for internet access but this is driving me nuts.
I just want to make a BT link launch my browser and go but it ain't happening ;(

You're on the way. Don't give up. It's not anywhere as easy as it is with a normal mobile phone and a special application. This is the fault of MS if you ask me.
Anyway. You shouldn't connect to your GPRS connection when you use the modem. Otherwise it won't work. So disconnect on the PPC, start the modem application and select bluetooth (the APN setting is alright already). Klick on start. Now you have to initiate the connection from the PC. Connect to the dial up profile of your PPC. Then should a normal DUN dialog be displayed, allowing you to enter the password, number etc. These informations are given by your provider. The bluetooth modem might have to be configured separately in device manager of the system. (you don't need AT strings when you use the APN setting on your PPC)

I give up.
Followed these instructions to the letter - also followed MS support sheets & nothing.
Just end up with helpful error message - error 777 the modem on the remote computer is out of order.
My God - this should be soooo simple. It's a basic requirement. But I am going to have to revert to my trusty cellphone for mobile internet from laptop.
Even if I could get it to work I don't want to have to launch the Wmodem app on the Jam every time I need to connect. This is screwed up.
Grrrrarg.
Thanks for the advice anyway.

Hi,
It is a requirement to start the Wireless modem app on the Magician [if you want to use it as a modem] and set it to Bluetooth.
On the PC, go to control panel > phone and modem options and select the properties of the modem installed for the Magician - I am on XP SP2 and it is installed as a 'Standard modem over bluetooth link'.
On the advanced tab, enter +CGDCONT=1,"IP","Internet" and then set the Dial-up number in you network connection to *99# - that is it.
I am on T-Mobile [UK] and it works fine

@pcd
When you enter the AT string, you have to leave the option "Use preset GPRS connection" in the settings of the Modem app on the Magician cleared. For me, both ways worked, either by naming the (working) GPRS connection in the settings or by entering the AT string. I prefer the first solution. You can't combine them! (at least it always failed when I tried)
@MarkOne
You're damn right! It really is too complicated and could have been made much more comfortable. But once you get it to work, it's quite flexible too, since you can connect via cable, infrared and bluetooth.

@pcd
When you enter the AT string, you have to leave the option "Use preset GPRS connection" in the settings of the Modem app on the Magician cleared. For me, both ways worked, either by naming the (working) GPRS connection in the settings or by entering the AT string. I prefer the first solution. You can't combine them! (at least it always failed when I tried)
@MarkOne
You're damn right! It really is too complicated and could have been made much more comfortable. But once you get it to work, it's quite flexible too, since you can connect via cable, infrared and bluetooth.

OMG, I got it to work, and I'm using the internet connection now on my laptop. I've had the SX-56, the MDAIII, and now the MDA Compact. I must say that I like the compact the best as it is the most practical. I have T-Mobile in the USA, and the initialization string for the bluetooth modem on my laptop is:
+CGDCONT=1,"IP","Internet3.voicestream.com"
My APN here for T-Mobile is internet3.voicestream.com. I think it's different for people who use WAP though.
Thanks guys. Now I can sign on by bluetooth, USB, and serial.

Afraid I gave up on this a long time. Nothing I tried worked and life's too short to spend several days trying to get my "phone" to work as a gsm modem.
The anansky rom upgrade, by comparison, took just under an hour (mainly as it was my first outing with a hex editor).

Mark One, I totally agree with you. I've tried everything and I can't get the bloody thing to work.... I had no problem last time with the Widcomm stack on XP but now that I've upgraded to SP2, the bloody MS Stack is driving me nuts.... Tried all the instructions here and it still won't work. It's pissing me off!

There is the option within Wmodem to use bluetooth, i have only used it over usb atm tho
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=34570
Imp

Yeah, I guess on the PC you need the Widcomm Stack, or at least any other than Microsoft
You can find many hints in the web how to make the Widcomm stack runs under SP2.

i ve got nearly same problem but i did all the same and cant connect
ive got internal BT (toshiba), i create SSA connection (automaticaly at port com 40) , entered extra dial string command (it is 100% correct), turn on Wireless modem program at my HTC, choose bluetooth and tap start.
Maximum that i reached was that connection led turned yellow. Other 2 are black.
i tried to make direct port connection at ports from 1-10 and to install modem manually. But i could choose only standart modem cause usb modem driver dont fit.
So ... dont know what to do

Ive got the same problem at the minute, however when i browse what services are availible on my magician in "My Bluetooth Places", dial up networking isnt one of them!
Also i havent got any form of bluetooth modem installed on my pc anywhere (i.e the phone) ive tried enabling wmodem and then searching for it but i get nowhere fast
Please help i need to get this working!

Ive just been in touch with Imate (who are BRILLIANT by the way)
and i have solved my problem! here is the pdf they sent me which i followed and it worked fine!

argh .. didnt help. I have another BT browser and it is not same as u have . And it creates not bluetooth modem but only a standart 33000 kbs modem
so , i need a driver for BT modem on Jam

When your Stack on the PC supports SSA, you can install a Bluetooth modem yourself. Just go to Hardware, select "device connected", then chosse "select yourself", then "Add new hardware", then select Modem then "select Modem yourself", search for Widcomm (maybe other Stacks work aswell), select Modem and then your outgoing com port! Then you should have the Modem available.
I think the radio version 1.12 didn't work for me either. Try installing the radio 1.13 (which I would recommend anyway) and maybe also the latest ROM version (I successfully use version 1.12).
You need some patience with that crap but it works.

Chaosmage, which bt software you using?
been using mine as a modem since february.
my way is similar to one above, except that I DO NOT turn the wireless modem on.
using the XP SP2 built in stack with an MSI 6967 dongle.
in bt services in control panel, pair the devices.
on device tab, highlight the device and click properties
go to the services tab and tick the DUN service.
click ok and wait for the new hardware bubbles by the clock to disappear
In phone and modem options in the control panel, click the modems tab
open the properties for the standard modem over bluetooth link
on the advanced tab, enter at+cgdcont=1,"IP","internet" in the extra initialization field
click ok and then go to network connections
create a new connection that dials *99# using the standard modem over bluetooth link - vodafone would tell you to use a login and password of web, but that's not really needed as they don't use authentication (none of the uk networks do)
This i know works, cos it's how i do it, and also how i used to set them uo when i worked at vodafone in newbury.
Any q's, feel pree to PM!

Problem Accessing the internet / "modem has disconnected"

Hi,
I have a M700 unlocked from orange. I followed the instructions on flashing the radio and can confirm that the GPS works. I am on T-Mobile "Web and Walk".
I am having problems accessing the internet. I click explorer and navigate to news.bbc.co.uk. A box appears and says "Connecting to Orange WAP, Connecting to GPRS, 3G..". A couple of seconds later the bbc page appears immediately followed by a box that says "Can't Connect. Dialled: The answering modem has disconnected. To check your connection settings and change them if needed tap Settings".
Does anyone know what the problem is?
For example, in settings, Do I need to "Add a new modem connection" or perhaps something in Advanced/Exceptions.
Many thanks for any help.

Your problem is that your M700 still has its settings for Orange, so your internet connection connects to the Orange servers, which take a short time to realise you have a T-Mobile contract, so close the connection,
You must remake all your connections (MMS, Web, WAP etc) to point to T-Mobile's servers, which will then make use of your Web'n'Walk capacity.
Go to HTC's Update Page where there is a link to download a network configuration tool- this has to run from the PC via ActiveSync

i thought u could just set the phone up with T-Mobile access points.
Thats what i did on the phone. Took like 30secs but im on orange.

cheers i will try later

kame1986,
pls can you advise on "T-Mobile access points".
are they on their website. had a good link and cant see anything

I had the 'modem disconnected' problem last week. I could not fathom it from any settings, nor did setting up new connection settings for orange internet or WAP do anything.
So I thought i'd try a good old fashioned soft reset, and hey-presto success!

I get this on my HTC
I get the modem disconect message every now and then, the only way to cure it is to restart and all works fine.
I have also had an issue where the phone wouldnt connect to the network a couple of times, again a restart and all is well.

Bluetooth and GPRS

Hi,
I have an application that connects to the Bluetooth DUN service of my mobile phone. By using the hyperterminal and the windows console application that I have done using C language, I am able to dial out to a fixed line.
However, when I switch to the GPRS mode using +CGDCONT=1,"IP","APN", I will get the NO CARRIER error after I dial *99#. My service provider has verified that the *99# is the correct number to dial.
Please do advice me on how I can proceed.
Thanks and regards,
PS

I might be a little bit off in my explanations and assumptions here, but my understanding of the way it works is that GPRS is your data connection. When you dial the access number you are establishing your data connection. If I am reading into your purpose correctly, you are wanting to use your phone as a modem to call into an ISP or to a dialup server. If that is the case, you would just dial the number without switching to gprs first.
This is probably a bad example, but consider your gprs connection like an ethernet lan connection at your home or work. If you wanted to use your home computer that is connected to the ethernet, to call an ISP or dialup server, you would need to use a telephone line plugged into the modem port, not try to dial over the ethernet (VOIP excluded). Does that help explain things, or make it all clear as mud.

Hi Steve,
Thank you for the advice.
I have tried to dial the number provided by my ISP without switching to GPRS first. The number I dial is the generic *99#. I guess that once I make this call, the telephone operator, which is also my ISP, would know that I am trying to connect a dial up.
But after I make the dial by sending ATDT*99#, I get a respond "CONNECT" then some unreadable characters follows for a while. After sometimes, the "NO CARRIER" respond will appear and the unreadable characters stop. Are these characters the PPP packets for a dial up? I am also not prompted to enter any password or login at all.
Are there any thing else that I should change?
Thanks and regards,
PSLoh

Again, I may be wrong here, but if you are trying to connect to a remote computer using DUN, then you are trying to have your computer use your phone as a dial up modem. I believe that the ATDT*99# is the setting to connect your phone to your GPRS service. Once you connect to GPRS, the only thing the GPRS network is going to understand is an IP address, not a phone number.
I think, if I understand you correctly, that you are tethering your phone to your computer with bluetooth and then attempting to make a call to a DUN host using a phone number (not the ATDT*99#), but a real 7 - 10 digit number.
Tethering is typically where you connect your computer to your phone via usb bluetooth etc, and use the devices data service (GPRS, UTMS, etc) to browse the internet, pull email, etc. You can't dial a number over this service as you are connected to the internet, not the public switched phone network.
Check this post for tethering instructions.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-337714.html
You are actually trying to use your mobile phone as an analog modem, but your phone has no hardware inside it to respond to the answering modem when you call your ISP or remote host via a phone call.
There is a way to do this, but it involves some work. You have to build a small adapter that will convert your mike and earphone connections into a 2 wire that will plug into your computers analog modem. There are problems with this type of data service. It is slow, doesn't support cell changes, and may be disallowed by your carrier. Check this post to see what I am talking about.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361928
Let me know if this sheds any light on the subject, or if I just really don't understand what you are trying to do.
Thanks,

Hi Steve,
Thanks for your reply. I always thought that *99# was the number for me to dial up to the ISP but now I guess I have to find out more about it.
I was using the ATcommand: AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","APN" to set up my phone to use GPRS network and then ATDT*99#. I thought that by issuing these 2 commands to the phone, I would be able to instruct it to connect to my ISP and set up the PPP link between my phone and the laptop.
Do you mean that the number to dial is wrong?
If I were to succeed in dialing to my ISP, are there any things (commands or code) that I need to set up the PPP link on my WinXP laptop?
Thanks and regards,
PSLoh

"Dial Up" to home modem to use internet

I have configured a sever at home to listen for dial up connections on a dedicated land line.
Can I use this to dial up with my Kaiser? I have used the following procedure to set up a connection...
- Start
- Settings
- Connections tab
- Connections
- Add new modem connection
(I am given the option to select a modem, either Bluetooth, Cellular Line, Cellular line (GPRS, 3G) or Hayes Compatible on COM1:, have tried with "Cellular Line" and "Hayes Compatible on COM1:")
- Enter my phone number
- Enter user name and password
I have used the following procedure to test it...
- Tap and hold the new connection and select connect.
On doing this I receive a dialog as follows...
"Cannot Connect
Dialed: 0117 blahblablah
Cannot connect for an unknown reason. To check your connection settings and change them if needed, tap Settings. If the problem continues, reset your mobile device according to your manufacturer's documentation and try again"
When using the "Cellular Line" it goes through the "Connecting..." dialog a couple of times and fails with the above message. When using the "Hayes Compatible on COM1:" it brings the error up almost immediately.
I am using Orange in the UK
Kaiser / Tytn II
Radio = 1.65.16.25
Rom = Laurentius 9 or 10 or something
Is this possibly to do with the "CSD Line Type" configuration in which you can specify "Data rate" and "Connection element"? If do, does anyone know what these should be set to?
Is this just because Orange don't allow this type of traffic?
Is this because the modem part of the phone is FUBAR?
Your opinions and experience would be greatly appreciated.
James

not sure if its the same but
i had a pre gprs phone which
supported internet over normal cell
and it turned out that it could not
connect to a normal modem subscription
it required a special modem connection
at the network which was pretty pricy
so maybe it simply cant connect to a normal modem

Can anyone confirm this?
I find it hard to understand why a device that can be used as a USB or bluetooth modem for a laptop can't communicate with a normal modem.
Can you name the protocols or the standard that it does use?

ahem - bump - (sorry)

Most cell phone providers do not allow data connection over modem unless it is their own (dial up / in) Gateway - last time I used Orange in the UK, they were no exception. Only voice calls will be routed properly and data connections pretty fast disconnected, resulting in an error report similar to the one you got.
To verify if your provider supports data connection to other non-Orange phone numbers, you should call customer care.