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Has anyone noticed any long term disadvantages to overclocking the Wizard? Does the battery life permanently decrease? What speeds are you running yours at, and how long have you been doing it? Have you noticed anything at all which indicates it's not good for the hardware?
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i believe that it's safe to overclock the mda...just set it at an acceptable rate (264mhz for me) and make sure not to run the battery all the way down...if you overclock the settings too high the device will freeze and reset (this is a fail safe procedure it goes through), so there is no need to worry...also don't overclock the settings too low as the phone becomes disfunctional when too low (about less than 132mhz for me)...the screen flickers because it's not being refreshed quick enough (my guess)...hope this helps...
I would set it to 240. I have done before, i'm just wondering if it's a bad idea leaving it permanently set to that level?
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yea you should be fine at that speed, but if you want you can overclock it higher if it will let you...just make sure that the phone is stable when using it...like i said in my earlier post my device is oc at 264mhz
Cool, thanks for your replies. How long have you had yours overclocked for? Do you use Smartskey?
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My self i ownly use it when need the extra speed, only with some games and wmv video files. I think it definitely lowers battery life and i would have worries about overclocking all the time and the long term effect it has on the processor (not so important if you only keep your wizard for a year and then change with a new contract - what i do new device once a year!) I found good speed gains with the registry wizard - http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=39725
have not found overclocking produces that much extra speed.
My self i only use it when need the extra speed, only with some games and wmv video files. I think it definitely lowers battery life and i would have worries about overclocking all the time and the long term effect it has on the processor (not so important if you only keep your wizard for a year and then change with a new contract - what i do new device once a year!) I found good speed gains with the registry wizard - http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=39725
have not found overclocking produces that much extra speed.
Mine is also set at 264 24/7. Battery still lasts me all day. Been doing it since the oc program was found which I guess has been a couple of months.
Don't forget, you're wizard is only overclocked when it is active (i.e. not in standby mode). When your wizard goes into standby, it automatically goes back to the default 180mhz. Only when you bring it out of standby does it overclock again (assuming you're running it with smartskey with the option of overclocking on wakeup)
i'm using smartkey to constantly run at 264mhz...i have been doing this for a month now...like i said there is not really any problems with the batt unless you run it down totally...there was a post about this in the overclocking thread...the process is set low so that the phone will have a longer batt life...this was also stated in the overclocking thread...theoretically there is more wear if you overclock it since you are making the processor work harder, so use it at your own risk! if you want to be on the safe side then use smartkey and the overclocking prog in the same directory...then use total commander's note pad (while the ini file is highlighted) and change the value lower when you don't want it to constantly run at 264mhz or whatever speed you want to overclock or underclock at...just use it when needed, but i overclock mine constant 264mhz with great results combined with tweaks2k2, registry wizard, and of course the tmobile custom rom ...internet is a blast...just wish i could get it to run like the IE in a pc
anyways hope this helps out a bit further...
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your activesync will hang allot if you overclock, I have noticed this.
DOnt know why.
For some reason i stumbled onto something, im sure its been mentioned b4 but when running Wisbar advance with a Windows vista skin done by xcillion, i am able to overclock my cingular 8125 to 288mhz at a stable rate with no problems at all, can run warcraft 2 full speed with over 50 units battling it out on screen, almost doubles browsing speed and i can run all the emulators including SNES at full speed with sound. when i dont have wisbar advance running i cant go past 240mhz clocking speed. I wonder has anyone else noticed this or gone higher than 288 without a freeze. Also, my battery life runs steady for a full day of browsing the internet talking on mobile messanger and listening to music at half volume for a full day.
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For some reason i stumbled onto something, im sure its been mentioned b4 but when running Wisbar advance with a Windows vista skin done by xcillion, i am able to overclock my cingular 8125 to 288mhz at a stable rate with no problems at all, can run warcraft 2 full speed with over 50 units battling it out on screen, almost doubles browsing speed and i can run all the emulators including SNES at full speed with sound. when i dont have wisbar advance running i cant go past 240mhz clocking speed. I wonder has anyone else noticed this or gone higher than 288 without a freeze. Also, my battery life runs steady for a full day of browsing the internet talking on mobile messanger and listening to music at half volume for a full day.
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hey sonic, where did you get your copy of warcraft 2 for windows mobile ?
I've never heard of warcraft for Windows mobile, how does it run on a 240 MHz overclock?
I got it from the Wargus engine. i can email you the files if need be, i dont want to jeprodize this sites reputation. The game last time i checked was free though...
Actually I'm not sure if it's the overclocking issue or not but ...
For couple of weeks now my Wizard's red led is on all the time, not like it is when your battery is very low but about half of this brightness. I'm not really worried about that, it doesn't change much but it may be connected with overclocking (it was 240 for about a month).
Another thing - once I had sth like 110% speed of every tone played, either a phone call or an incoming message.
It doesn't really matter to me since it's still working fine but it may mean that overclocking isn't that safe as we might think.
TroLoo
Hello,
I bought the prophet 200 (xda neo) hoping it would turn out to be a decent device that provides speed as well as endurance in terms of cpu and battery. Unfortunately was badly dissapointed in both factors.
I installed the newest DOPOD rom.
Here are some apps that I installed:
Pocket Plus
Pocket diary
TCPM
Skype
Resco Explorer
Opera
Agile messenger
spb backup
news break
my problems with the device is that I have the feeling that it operates way too slow. This is the first time I own a PDA so it might be my preception that is deluding me.
a couple of examples: If I scroll down the contact list it goes rather slow and laggy. It takes quite a few seconds if I start up an application like opera, IE or skype. Sometimes the start menue pops down only very slow.
Resco File explorer starts slow and takes a while to perform an operation.
Using Pocket Informant is almost impossible beacuse it takes 6 Seconds or so until the app is started and the navigation through the app itself is very slow. (if i want to add a contact it takes 4 seconds until the forms are loaded)
Same applies to Fusion Agenda.
Talking with skype almost does not work at all. When I make a call i cannot adjust the volume anymore or it reacts like 20 seconds later and flips out on me. I cannot end a call because the device almost crashes and it takes 10 seconds to get it back. The other person can barely hear me.
There is another thing regarding battery drainage.
Let me give you an example, If I have just finished charing the device and it displays a battery charge of 100% I unplug it and 1 minute later it goes down by 1% to 99 - an additional minute and the battery meter displays 98. By the end of the day i seem to have a charge of maybe 40% while using the device for maybe 1 hour intensly and the rest just phone standby with maybe 2 calls of 2 min avrg length.
On top i noticed that the left side of the device gets a littel warm when I am using the device extensively or charging it. Is that also normal?
Whats the deal with my device? i dont know a whole lot about pda's. Is that a normal power consumption?
How can I measure if my device performs well in terms of CPU speed because I have the feeling it also runs slow.
please help
To make your prophet more responsive, go here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=40404
As for the battery issue, not sure what to suggest.
after I overlocked my XDA neo (with JAMin WWE ROM) to 252 mhz, I found it runs all programs very smoothly. I can open media player, and read novels at the same time, switch between all the running programs is very smooth and fast. compared with my another PDA (intel Xscal 400 MHZ CPU), I could not see big difference.
Times you mention are quite realistic. My Qtek S200 performs at about the same speed (program startup times) and I can live with it. To improve a little, try to use some task manager to see if you have cpu-intensive programs or today plugins running. also, close programs instead of minimizing them (use magic button, gs pocket magic or else).
Concerning battery, mine seem to last longer. Do you have a dual sim adapter? I found out it was draining my battery very fast also in flight mode.
If you do not need voice dial, there is a thread in these forums about uninstalling it and magically getting a fast keyboard switch (no more 6 s waiting for changing from phonepad to handwriting recognition).
Hope that helps.
Poket plus really hog the CPU. especially the today plug in. I had the same isues. just enable only 1 tab, delete all the other plug in tab for pocket plus. use the meter that you need only. I only use storage meter and it sppeds up quite significant. either that or use resco's today plug in if memory meter is all you need.
As with almost all Pocket PCs out there, I bet you are suffering from the well-known-not-too-mentioned bug of Windows Mobile 5 (inherited from WM3) where the notification database starts accumulating duplicate entries and in a few days, you'll end up having hundreds of duplicate entries, rendering the device almost useless.
You need something like Memaid or similar app to get rid of the duplicate entries. (There are some freewares out there).
Also, make sure you move all your data (and install most apps) into SD RAM, not the internal RAM. You'll get better performance when you keep your PDA above 10-13 megs of program memory.
Just a few pointers...
Best regards,
Rayan
arg0 said:
If you do not need voice dial, there is a thread in these forums about uninstalling it and magically getting a fast keyboard switch (no more 6 s waiting for changing from phonepad to handwriting recognition).
Hope that helps.
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Hi, Can you point me to the post you are mentioning? I have been searching high and low for it but I cannot find it.
I have a Dopod 818 Pro and have Cyberon Voice Commander installed. I uninstalled it yet the 6s delay in switching input modes seems to be still there. I have tried to remove all DLLs and traces of it from the registry, yet have been unsuccessful in removing the 6s delay.
Can you please help?
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I haven't used the dopod rom but with the newest imate rom (from May06 I think?), the SIP delay is gone. Also, it seems that several of your 3rd party apps are resource hogs. The jamin can function quite well if not trying to run too many today plugins.
Hi thank you for the reply
Actually, I won't like to flash an imate rom to my device as I don't want to take any chances with it. It cost me a lot of money and I want to play it as much by the book as I can hehe..
Other than that, is there a way? I know that this delay has always been there, even when the device was brand new and was running no 3rd party today plugins. It's great that imate managed to solve the issue. Maybe Dopod will get on the ball and do something about it too. I hope so.
I have two Wizard 200 G4 (XDA Mini-S) clocked at the standard 180(200)Mhz with 2.21AKU ROM from O2UK (unbranded post install).
I am having a problem with Windows Media Player 10 Mobile stuttering once or twice on every track it plays. I have uses RhinoStats to see if there is a spike in CPU usage but nothing is apparent. 30-50% CPU usage to decode, play and perform background tasks.
This only started relatively recently and I'm not sure what has caused it. I only have Opera and OMAPClock Vijay's Device Lock on the phone's storage and a few other bits on my 2GB miniSD card.
If anyone has an Idea as to what could be causing the problem I'd appreciate it. Otherwise I may just reflash them and see how it goes.
I had a similar problem with my old Typhoon (SPV C500) when I upgraded to a ROM with WMP10M.
EDIT: I did search the forums but only found bluetooth headphone problems.
It shouldn't do it. Either a hard reset or try using an alternative media player. On the Wizard (where CPU usage counts), I recommend either TCPMP or iPlay 40th. These have (the second radically) both lower CPU usage than the built-in WMP (also see my CPU usage benchmarks if interested).
I don't like TCPMP as you can't build a library easily. I'll see what iPlay 40th is like and if it has this feature. ( EDIT: Found it http://iplay.40th.com/ )
If that doesn't work I'll try and CID unlock and rebuild the Wizard. I want a ROM which frees up more space for storage and more RAM.
I'm 95% free of stutter on Molski 2.26 Final using PocketPlayer.
Unfortunately I have a CID locked G4... So I've got limited ROM options.
To revive an old thread with the cause of the problem. When signal to the network is lost CPU usage spikes and music stutters. Play music in flight mode and the problem goes away. It is a little annoying, but then again sigmal on any train line in the Uk makes it impossible to make calls anyway. :lol:
I've noticed that when using CPU intensive applications such as games or video, the frame rate drops dramatically while using the touch screen. As soon as I remove the stylus from the touch screen, or when the touch screen receives no input, the speed increases back to "normal". Has anyone else noticed this before? It seems to me like there are still some drivers that need some major updating. I hope the bugs and performance issues will be resolved with this device soon. This device feels underpowered for the hardware is has in it. I'm guessing with some further optimization it will be able to perform much faster (I hope).
BTW, I have the HTC branded version, with ROM version 1.15.405.5
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I've noticed that when using CPU intensive applications such as games or video, the frame rate drops dramatically while using the touch screen. As soon as I remove the stylus from the touch screen, or when the touch screen receives no input, the speed increases back to "normal". Has anyone else noticed this before? It seems to me like there are still some drivers that need some major updating. I hope the bugs and performance issues will be resolved with this device soon. This device feels underpowered for the hardware is has in it. I'm guessing with some further optimization it will be able to perform much faster (I hope).
BTW, I have the HTC branded version, with ROM version 1.15.405.5
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I have the same problem when K-Rally is running.
I've noticed the same problem when playing K-Rally. When I remove the stylus from the screen game run appreciably faster.
Same here guys, but on my Hermes/Tytn which also has the same processor!
Use google and you'll see that some sites recommend that you install these applications that are running slow (Krally for example) on your memory card instead of the main built in memory, and then try it!
I noticed this first when I installed Krally on the Tytn and it seemed slow when using the stylus. On my friends Asus P525 it runs so smooth and fast!
I havent botherd buying a memory card yet as I dont intend to keep the Tytn so therefore I'm unable to test whether or not the above method works.
If you guys can then test it and post your results here.
Thanks.
Guys some bad news,
I've tried installing Krally on a memory card and playing on it but still the problem remains! As soon as you touch the screen with a stylus the game slows down and returns to normal when you remove the stylus!
Not good at all!
DO you have the same problem:
I can't play KRALLY (neither other games as emulated games(mario kart snes)) because i can't push to buttons at the same time. If i'm pushing for example the button to accelerate, once i push a button to turn it stops....That really sucks....When i Had my i-mate JAM i didn't have such problems.
It would be nice to be fixed
use auto-accelerate and auto-turbo... and just directional pad to turn left and right i solved playing like this
Same Problem here! I tried to play PocketQuake and some other games, but every time i use the stylus everything slows down.
But the biggest problem is, when i use the buttons especially the "D-pad" after some pressing of this button (8-10 times) the whole trinity crashes!
Are there people having this problem too?
Maybe someone could test pocketquake too, or test if the dopod rom solves this problem.
Greetings,
Borbosch
Interesting, cpu is going 45% as soon as you touch the screen (see screen capture).
I don't think my previous devices had this "feature", I will check and compare with their behaviour.
We should also check with hermes to see if it's the same.
Can you imagine your PC using half is processing power when you click with the mouse?
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Interesting, cpu is going 45% as soon as you touch the screen (see screen capture).
I don't think my previous devices had this "feature", I will check and compare with their behaviour.
We should also check with hermes to see if it's the same.
Can you imagine your PC using half is processing power when you click with the mouse?
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Yeah, this is quite frustrating. I really hope HTC or whoever is developing new ROMs already know about this issue, because it really needs to be corrected.
I had sent e-mail on support with this issue.
I've noticed that the frame rate slow down dramatically then I run the game (such as K-Rally,Sky Force by INFINITE DREAMS - http://www.idreams.pl/main.php) and use stylus to control the game. As soon as I remove the stylus from the touch screen the image become smooth. This not happen If I use buttons to control the game.
I install the same game to ASUS P525 PDA phone. The frame rate slow down not happen on ASUS P525 then I use stylus to control the game and the game run smooth.
Would you improve this problem or how can I improve it?
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This is the answer:
Regrettably as the seems you mention about are made by a 3rd party, I can't comment on there compatibility with you P3600.
I suggest you refrain from using your Stylus to control them as this affects the frame rate.
If you have any further issues with the software I suggest you contact the software manufacturer.
Thank you for your enquiry, Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your Local number can be found at http://www.europe.htc.com/support/cs_by_phone.html
Best regards,
HTC Support
[email protected]
http://www.htc.com
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So they do not think that this issue their problem.
It is clearly not a problem related to the games. If you mention the games to HTC of course they will say: it's not my fault, it's their fault as everybody tend to do.
It is probably more simple to talk about the cpu consumption when pressing the screen which shouldn't occur and that is slowing down ANY application.
Another email
I'll send an email to HTC about this also to see if we can get a better response. I'll post the reply when I get it.
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Interesting, cpu is going 45% as soon as you touch the screen (see screen capture).
I don't think my previous devices had this "feature", I will check and compare with their behaviour.
We should also check with hermes to see if it's the same.
Can you imagine your PC using half is processing power when you click with the mouse?
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This is indeed a lousy driver. While all other 2.8" HTC devices exhibit this problem in most games, the speed doesn't decrease THIS bad on, say, the HTC Wizard overclocked to 240 MHz and running K-Rally - not even at the standard 195 MHz, where, with the touchscreen constantly pressed, the CPU usage of gwes.exe increases to 17% (measured using the AKU3.2 ROM).
I've also quickly measured the CPU usage increase of gwes.exe (or, for that matter, anything) on my HP iPAQ 2210 (about 0.5% only) and my HTC Universal (no noticable CPU usage increase at all).
All in all, this problem only seems to be acute with the QVGA PPC PE devices of HTC.
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I'll send an email to HTC about this also to see if we can get a better response. I'll post the reply when I get it.
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Great, I'll do it too as from the press; hope I'll receive some useful response.
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Regrettably as the seems you mention about are made by a 3rd party, I can't comment on there compatibility with you P3600.
I suggest you refrain from using your Stylus to control them as this affects the frame rate.
If you have any further issues with the software I suggest you contact the software manufacturer.
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Yes, the usual, "canned" answer. I'll explain them how the CPU usage can be reliably benchmarked and will also post them my measurement results, which DO slow it's HTC that has a buggy driver, NOT the third-party apps.
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This is indeed a lousy driver. While all other 2.8" HTC devices exhibit this problem in most games, the speed doesn't decrease THIS bad on, say, the HTC Wizard overclocked to 240 MHz and running K-Rally - not even at the standard 195 MHz, where, with the touchscreen constantly pressed, the CPU usage of gwes.exe increases to 17% (measured using the AKU3.2 ROM).
I've also quickly measured the CPU usage increase of gwes.exe (or, for that matter, anything) on my HP iPAQ 2210 (about 0.5% only) and my HTC Universal (no noticable CPU usage increase at all).
All in all, this problem only seems to be acute with the QVGA PPC PE devices of HTC.
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I'e continued benchmarking my other Pocket PC's; neither the Dell Axim x51v (A12 ROM) nor the Fujitsu-Siemens Pocket Loox 720 did exhibit any kind of CPU usage increase with the stylus down.
I'll do the Trinity benchmarks on Monday (unfortunately, I don't own the device, it's my employer's and don't have access to it during the weekends). If it indeed turns out to be resource-hungry, I'll publish an article on the matter, which HTC can surely not ignore any more.
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I'll do the Trinity benchmarks on Monday (unfortunately, I don't own the device, it's my employer's and don't have access to it during the weekends). If it indeed turns out to be resource-hungry, I'll publish an article on the matter, which HTC can surely not ignore any more.
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Thanks Menneisyys, that would be extremely appreciated.
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We should also check with hermes to see if it's the same.
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The answer unfortunately is yes! As mentioned in my first post the Hermes also suffers from this just as bad! I've simply given up playing Krally. All I play now is worms which is playable as its not a speed intensive game.
Its such a shame though, because on my mates asus p525 which is like a year old now, Krally runs so fast
Damn HTC. This will probably be the last HTC product I'm going to own!
Keep us updated and yes doing those tests sounds a pretty good idea.
Dead Cell.
So I've recently bought a Cingular Wizard, and flashed TNT wm6 rom onto it. I installed PocketGnuBoy, and some other games, but I keep running into a problem. After I play for a while, or after my phone has been on for some time, games seem to start to 'skip'. It's really weird, and its still playable, but its extremely annoying. I would assume that someone happens after a while when you have your phone on, but I have no clue what it could be. My guess that it has something to do with activesync, but I can't seem to fix this lagging problem.
By the way, if it helps, I'm using battery status to overclock my processor to 260 mhz.
if i could first comment about your overclocking program...
XCPUScalar has a much better algorithm for overclocking. you should switch.
i tried both programs and XCPUScalar is much more stable. maybe if you tried overclocking using that you wouldn't get the lag.. maybe your processor gets all crazy from the heat of overclocking after some playtime that it can't handle the pressure... to be honest.. you should never overclock to the maximum.. it burns the MOSFETS on the processor.
other than that.. notice that some games eat RAM as they go.. check the ram demand in the beginning and check the change during gameplay..
that's something you can't really overcome.
Well if I'm playing my emulator and it starts to lag, and I exit, it seems like doing everything else or playing any other game will also get the lag. Even if I dump my memory.
ok.. so if it's a function of the time... maybe it IS about the overclocking.
try changing the program and if that doesn't work maybe you should ease up on the pressure.. after all it's a 195Mhz processor and you have a few other programs running.
I don't know. I literally have no other things running while I'm playing, and I still get this problem. The only way to fix it is to soft reset, and then it will run perfectly for 10-20 minutes. I tested it with 195 mhz default, and it still does the same thing.
hmm.. i have no idea then, im sorry
Okay so one thing I've noticed is that every time it starts lagging, the little icon where the keyboard is on your screen pops up. It's not there normally when you first start the program (pocketgnuboy) so when it starts up there is no lag. I'm absolutely sure that this has something to do with it, because of the exact timing of the lag and the appearance of the icon.