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I AM DEBATING WHICH PDA TO PURCHASE EITHER AN XDA2 OR THE P900, I PREFER THE XDA2 BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE ALOT MORE SOFTWARE AVAILABLE ON THE SYMBIAN OS. SO I WAS WONDERING IF I COULD RUN THE SYMBIAN OS ON THE XDA2. APPOLOGIES IF THIS IS A DUMB QUESTION, IM NEW TO THIS! PS DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN BUY A QTEK2020:?
Symbian or WM2003?! Please!
I suspect you are coming from a Symbian background. Buy XDA2. Inspite of all what you might have heard, MS Windows Mobile beats any other Mobile OS. I talk as a person who had gone through all there is, Psion 5mx, m130, Treo 180, Sony Clie NR70V, Ipaq, XDA etc. I actually prefer XDA1 to P900. WM may have fewer number of software titles (though I doubt that strongly) but it has the most EXCITING collection.
Symbian vs MS Mobile
Symbian devices has one huge advantage - they don't loose their programs when the battery goes dead.
Also, the OS is by far more stable than Windows and generally more easy to learn and maintain.
But, unfortunately, many of the exciting applications as Abbas points out are running Windows Mobile, so this is where I am at the moment.
I would love a Symbian PDA with XDA II capabilities, perhaps the next Nokia Communicator. At the moment I very satisfied with my XDA II
Abbas: I love your tag line, I quite agree, Palestine has been used for decades as an excuse to commit violence. I wish they could come to an agreement down there.
Regards
Michael
Correct
You got my tilt correct. Symbian may be everything that you have said, but I found windows mobiles softwares better, and I also hate symbian phone makers lack of standard. Nokia or siemens will use multimedia card, while SonyErricson stuck to ultra propietary memory stick duo. If you change from XDA to HP928, to MPx200 or e100, most of the accessories you have invested in (memory cards, wifi or bluetooth cards etc) will continue to be useful.
i'm almost 100% sure that if sony makes a mw2003 pda/phone then it too will use memory stick it's their std they will never stop hunting you hhmpf i mean pushing it
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Symbian devices has one huge advantage - they don't loose their programs when the battery goes dead.
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That's a limitation of the hardware, not the OS. There could be a Pocket PC device that uses 100% nonvolatile memory instead of battery-powered RAM. But that device would be more expensive.
symbian
i have had 3 three years using a symbian system the wm is much more user friendly and interacts with my desktop a lot easier i would be slow going back to a symbian system 2 of my colegues at work have p800 and they love the xda and one of them is about to change to a xda ( the otherrs too tight ).
regards kevin b
Good Day to you all.
This is my first post here as i joined just now because of an ongoing promo on XDA2 and P900 in SMART Philippines.
I am a avid :shock: SMARTPHONE user, Tanager E100, is and was my previous unit UNTIL im gonna decide to go for either XDA2 or P900.
Now, I wouldn't have registered here if I didn't LIKE the XDA2, however since MOST of you here are already experienced users, I would like to ask ALL of you TO HELP me COMPARE the two units and SHOW the GOOD as well as the BAD sides of each. Pocket PC / Communicators are a new field for me as I am a SMARTPHONE user.
Thats where I need your INPTS. Thank you.
It really depends on whether you want a fantastic pda with a built in phone function (XDAII) or a phone with a built in pad function (P900). The 'built in' part being compromised on both machines.
I personally have have all of Nokia's Communicator series and both types of XDA and having seen and used a friend's P900, I would definately recommend the XDAII.
Thanks, I need more info though.
Thanks, Now for Techies, The SPECS say that:
XDA2 has 400MHZ Intel PSX??? processor whereas SE P900 has 154Mhz ARM10 processor. How does this compare?
This sounds like comparing a MAC and a PENTIUM based PC does it?
And which has the larger market support Windows Mobile 2003 or Symbian Technology?
Hope I get your comments, Thanks.
chameleon
They're both ARM processors, so no it's not like the difference between 680??/PowerPC MACs and 80x86/Pentium IBM PCs - There is a REAL speed difference here.
I would think that the 'largest' market base is with Symbian as it's used in lots of phones and not just the P800/P900s (they're just the top end). Consider that most of the current Nokia (who are the largest global supplier of mobile phones) use the Symbian OS and that there are FAR more Mobile Phones than PDAs
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I would think that the 'largest' market base is with Symbian as it's used in lots of phones and not just the P800/P900s (they're just the top end). Consider that most of the current Nokia (who are the largest global supplier of mobile phones) use the Symbian OS and that there are FAR more Mobile Phones than PDAs
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I'd have to disagree with that view, yes there are more Symbian based phones than there are WM2003 based phones but only a few Symbian handsets have any real PDA functionality.
The PocketPC userbase is vast and growing with a huge array of applications, utilities etc, far in excess of that available for P800/P900's.
Griffog,
I agree, when comparing P800/P900 numbers to Pocket PC numbers then there are far more Pocket PCs .... Although I wouldn't like to guess that this were true for Pocket PC Mobiles.
Yes, there would be a far greater range of applications for Pocket PCs although far fewer mobile specific ones.
At the end of the day, I'd personally choose an XDA type device - I just wish that the specification meant that you didn't loose all your software/data when the device ran out of power - In this day and age that is quite simply rediculous!!!
Thanks a lot folks, JWEATHALL and GRIFFOG and XDA-ROCKS
British/English Folks help a lot, dont they? im still waiting for replies from other nationalities.
You've CONVINCED me. Though I needed less convincing anyway, as I was inching towards having an O2 XDA II as offered by our service provider here.
My XDA II will be arriving shortly and I cant wait. :wink: :wink:
Now the FUN part, trying to understand how it works, with my smartphone background, i know it would be easy, but its not going to be a walk in the park.
My favorite amd very useful apps in smartphone are:
1. PHM Registry Editor (for cool tweaking)
2. Smart Explorer
3. SP Task Manager
4. Mitac Phonebackup
5. Pocket TV and MVP
6. Sprite Backup
7. Twyx Imeter
8. Nintendo Emulator
Are these EASILY available for XDA2?
:?:
Im looking forward to GREAT PDA functions from my XDA, would greatly appreciate the MS Office apps.
Im planning to buy :shock: Wi-Fi SD expansion card :shock: , which I will use to our Wi-Fi server, is it easy to setup?
Id appreciate the replies. Thanks again
You're in for a treat - most of those apps are available for PocketPC and if you're into emulators there's even freeware emu's for the Playstation and Gameboy Advance
@chameleon,
Welcome aboard!!!
I used to have a P800 (wich is very close to the P900)... I was really into Sony Ericsson phones/pdas, I even have a portal dedicated to them... www.sonyericssonfans.com
But I really went ahead switched to the MDA2 and love every bit of it...
Lots of software and emulators!!!!
Let us know what you think once you have it...
Rayan
you wont have a problem working the XDA if you know how to use a windows pc
the SPV series is hard to set up and configure compared to the XDA as you can touch whats on screen and not having to navigate through menus all the time
gaz
I was there. I got XDA2 as soon as it was released in Dubai. Then, P900 came out and I've sold XDA2 and got P900. It's a very cool device, specially 5 way jog - it is something every PDA maker should license from Sony, IMHO. Functionality wise I wasn't very impressed. And the most annoying part was BT. They just hate each other - P900 and HBH-65
Back to XDA2 now and more hat happy with it. Really hope that SE will bring functional BT and better dialer.
Hi, All out there
I am also a NewBie here. Happily came here with a good chance, I have learned a lot from here although not long. I had bought an O2 XDA2 for my wife and I am going to buy another one for myself. I am going to dwelling deeply into it technically. The bad side of this stuff, my personal feeling, is that they only implement one SD slot. If they can implement it with two SD slots, then things would be much more wonderful.
missa,
i think there is a BACKPACK accessory than you ca purchase for your XDA 2, it contains 2 SD/MC slots and an additional BATT, plus an RCA jack??, not sure with this.
Thanks FOLKS, i have my XDA already and im tinkering with it right now.
This is GREAT. hehehe.
Ive got a P800 and I want to go for a XDA something, I might wait for the XDA3, I need something with Wifi and the new P910 just doesnt have it and you cant get extra wifi with the sony memorystick duo! which sucks a little.
Yes the 5 way jog dial from sony is totaly cool and just great for doing stuff with one hand, only real good thing about the phone. As for a PDA device, its not that great! I try and use it to the max but the screen is just that little to small to do most things with!
Use an XDA II at the moment, still stuggling to get it to upgrade to SE at the moment. Sort of an intrim measure, untill I decide what to uprade to next. However because I use it with a WiFi card & pocket Skype, my upgrade options are limited.
Have always loved the I-Mate Jam, since its launch, especially its looks & size. However here in Great Britain O2 in all there wisdow decided not to launch the XDA mini so ended up sticking with my XDA II.
Now O2 tell me they will not be providing the XDA mini at all & instead they will be launching the I-Mate Wizard instead late in October or early November.
My thoughts on this go like this, don't really need the keyboard but I can take it or leave it, as long as it is well made & does not make the whole unit excessively fragile.
Built in WiFi, brilliant as I now don't have to have a half inch of my SD card hanging out of the top of my phone, great.
The CPU speed, this is the killer for me, Pocket Skype requires 400mhz or more according to the Skype website, & life without pocket Skype would be unbearable & needlesly expensive .
Does anyone else like me think tbere is a conspiracy going on with the providers strategicly selecting hardware to in one way or another stop us using Pocket Skype. Either the unit is to big to be comfortable & fashionable (the XDA IIi), No WiFi & two littfe memory (the I-Mate Jam), or worst of all not enough CPU speed to run pocket Skype (the HTC Wizard.
All this has firmly made me believe that the Holy Grail of PDA/Phones that I believe we are looking for is:
The Current I-Mate Jam with the following updatey:
128 Megs Ram
Built in WiFi
Windows Mobile 2005.
Wlth two added small hot keys
Slightly faster CPU.
No added keyboard to keep slze as small as is possible.
I am sure I am not the only one wbo feels this & I am sure I would just be one of the many tbousands in the stampede to get hold of this mythical but oh so wanted Devices.
So what is what is left for me to do, keep using my XDA II, hopefully managing to upgrade it to WM2003SE, in the meantime.
And if there really are no CPU upgrades when the Wizard is finally released, hock & sell all I can find to buy a. sim free 128 Meg I-Mate Jam, begrudgingly.
Love to hear other peoples comments on this matter jost to assure myself that I am not the only one who feels this way, or who can give me the dowload address of the combined WM2003SE ROM.
Kind Regards all, Ash'e
PocketPCItalia reviewed the Wizard on their site and were able to use Skype on it, they said they had no problems running it. I don't know the link to the article, but you can find the link on HowardForums somewhere in the Wizard/Qtek9100 threads.
Even someone on the WIKI has reported Skype works (though you need to turn off echo cancellation since this takes a lot of processing power).
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Even someone on the WIKI has reported Skype works (though you need to turn off echo cancellation since this takes a lot of processing power).
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Linky ?
Terran
Is this our Holy Grail.
Thanks guys it gives me some hope, but when push comes to I still feel we are all being asked to compromise, the XDA mini was an awsome bit of kit, in many ways far superior to the wizard, in size & processing power, I now have to take a cut in CPU power on my new upgrade phone instead of getting more power, which you would expect with the march of technology & all that.
So I ask the question again, I really do feel we nearly had our holy grail in the XDA Mini, & where left short in the last furlong, when a well thought out upgrade as descríbed in my previous posting was all it would have taken to produce what I feel would have been a benchmark style icon & a runaway sales success even more than it is anyway,
I really do feel that the HTC are trading of with the air time providers to delay Skype becoming the runaway cost saving mobile call preventing success it is going to be.
Kind Regards
Ash'e
My god someone with my same thoughts. I want a SPV M500 (XDA mini, jam etc) for the size but a slower processor ? and Orange want £180 to upgrade!!!!
Don't start me with that treating exsisting customers like new ones come on i've been with Orange for 10 yrs. But take a new contract and you get the phone for £80 or free! depending what traffic you choose. Stinks !!!!!!
WIKI: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Wizard
Also... someone posted on a forum about how much more efficient the OMAP processor is compared to the Intel series: http://www.smartdevicesdirect.com/forum/showpost.php?p=127&postcount=3
Very encouraging!
I've found my Holy Grail!
Well what a difference in I.T. life a couple of days makes, Two days ago I was panicking about having to upgrade to a HTC Wizard with all it's underlying, associated buíld/development problems, and now I am sat here with my own & what I feel is many other people's PDA Holy Grail in my hand.
In my hand I have a I-Mate Jam, but with a couple or three big differences:
One it has 128 Megs of Ram.
Two it has built in WiFi
Three it has a 2 GIG SD Card plugged in that works.
Now I might add that this is not my Jam, However the little known about UK based company that has produced it are quite willing to customise one for me if I can lay my hands on one in the next week or so.
They will also be offering it as a commercial service over the net as of November this year.
So my dear friends, fellow bookworms, frustrated burglers, affronted policemen or city gents with titly furled umbrella's, I am glad I have joined & listened to you all so many times but I am afraid I won't be joining you just yet in your wizardly new worlds now that I have found my own personal PDA Val-Hala. Long live the 128 Meg WiFi enabled Jam, who knows we may even be able to get WM2005 on it yet, that really would be something, & a right kick up the hind quarters for HTC.
Kind Regards Ash'e
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sion said:
Well what a difference in I.T. life a couple of days makes, Two days ago I was panicking about having to upgrade to a HTC Wizard with all it's underlying, associated buíld/development problems, and now I am sat here with my own & what I feel is many other people's PDA Holy Grail in my hand.
In my hand I have a I-Mate Jam, but with a couple or three big differences:
One it has 128 Megs of Ram.
Two it has built in WiFi
Three it has a 2 GIG SD Card plugged in that works.
Now I might add that this is not my Jam, However the little known about UK based company that has produced it are quite willing to customise one for me if I can lay my hands on one in the next week or so.
They will also be offering it as a commercial service over the net as of November this year.
So my dear friends, fellow bookworms, frustrated burglers, affronted policemen or city gents with titly furled umbrella's, I am glad I have joined & listened to you all so many times but I am afraid I won't be joining you just yet in your wizardly new worlds now that I have found my own personal PDA Val-Hala. Long live the 128 Meg WiFi enabled Jam, who knows we may even be able to get WM2005 on it yet, that really would be something, & a right kick up the hind quarters for HTC.
Kind Regards Ash'e
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As per the other thred, contact details, pics, website ?
Terran
I've found my Holy Grail!
Well what a difference in I.T. life a couple of days makes, Two days ago I was panicking about having to upgrade to a HTC Wizard with all it's underlying, associated buíld/development problems, and now I am sat here with my own & what I feel is many other people's PDA Holy Grail in my hand.
In my hand I have a I-Mate Jam, but with a couple or three big differences:
One it has 128 Megs of Ram.
Two it has built in WiFi
Three it has a 2 GIG SD Card plugged in that works.
Now I might add that this is not my Jam, However the little known about UK based company that has produced it are quite willing to customise one for me if I can lay my hands on one in the next week or so.
They will also be offering it as a commercial service over the net as of November this year.
So my dear friends, fellow bookworms, frustrated burglers, affronted policemen or city gents with titly furled umbrella's, I am glad I have joined & listened to you all so many times but I am afraid I won't be joining you just yet in your wizardly new worlds now that I have found my own personal PDA Val-Hala. Long live the 128 Meg WiFi enabled Jam, who knows we may even be able to get WM2005 on it yet, that really would be something, & a right kick up the hind quarters for HTC.
Kind Regards Ash'e
http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=151160&partner=adwords&gclid=CK-wwLHhyo0CFRWOEgod-UHMMA
will i be able to resist
Vista running on 64mb of RAM? Surely some mistake.... That would be painful to use.
Its a dual boot device... for WM6 it uses 64mb of ram.... but for vista its 1 GB.... only thing i cant figure out is how to run WM6 if the Intel A110 (dothan) is not a Arm processor.... Emulate WM6???
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Its a dual boot device... for WM6 it uses 64mb of ram.... but for vista its 1 GB.... only thing i cant figure out is how to run WM6 if the Intel A110 (dothan) is not a Arm processor.... Emulate WM6???
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I've heard that mentioned before, but there is no mention of it in the description on the Expansys website.
Key Features
- 7-inch widescreen display
- 30-gigabyte hard drive
- QWERTY keyboard
- Microsoft Vista Business OS
- Windows Media Player 11
- Tri-Band UMTS/HSDPA
- WiFi and Bluetooth 2.0
etc...
Let's watch this space...
If this thing doesn't come with Athena specs on the PPC side of things it'll be a waste of time for die hard PPC users!
It should have at least 128 if not 256MB RAM, and as for the CPU..we'll just have to wait and see...HTC haven't released anything of late or ever that wasn't fit for purpose.
THERE:
Shipping Weight: 0.50kg
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it can be true?
as long asThis UMPC-like device will run Windows Vista Business and come with Microsoft Office.
It will have 64 MB of RAM plus 1 GB DDR2 microDIMM, 128 MB of ROM, and a 30 GB hard drive.
specs found dont know if totally factual
If the vista bit can access the internet and is reasonably quick cpu wise its gonna be hard to ignore
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If this thing doesn't come with Athena specs on the PPC side of things it'll be a waste of time for die hard PPC users!
It should have at least 128 if not 256MB RAM, and as for the CPU..we'll just have to wait and see...HTC haven't released anything of late or ever that wasn't fit for purpose.
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I'm hoping the final specs are impressive. I have my credit card ready for this one. Since I have two pockets I figured Athena in one and Shift in the other. LOL
I can't wait for the final specs. I really hope it comes with built in GPS, etc.
I knew about the Shift before i got my Athena.
Its funny but I thought at the time I bet i end up getting that phone/mini laptop thingy.
If this can do what the Athena can and is more powerful to boot, i cant see my self NOT getting it!
If it can play Proevo 6 Online over HSPDA that would be perfection !!!
http://www.wirelessinfo.com/content/CTIA-2007-Video--The-HTC-Shift.htm
head of america HTC talking about the shift
well i saw the specs on a video on youtube when the were showing a demo of it.... seems that it is using a intel processor as shift was announced on IDF.... using A110 ( dothan @ 800Mhz ) and intel 945GMC....
i doubt the specs for the pda side will match Athena as it only uses 64mb of ram and i think it should be an emulated WM6 as A110 is built on the X86 architechture..... Ha vista for a phone...... i wouldnt want
that.... For all you knoe it hangs the very moment someone calls..... =D....
bLiTz^ said:
well i saw the specs on a video on youtube when the were showing a demo of it.... seems that it is using a intel processor as shift was announced on IDF.... using A110 ( dothan @ 800Mhz ) and intel 945GMC....
i doubt the specs for the pda side will match Athena as it only uses 64mb of ram and i think it should be an emulated WM6 as A110 is built on the X86 architechture..... Ha vista for a phone...... i wouldnt want
that.... For all you knoe it hangs the very moment someone calls..... =D....
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its not a phone its designed to be ultraportable laptop...
as you can see its 7" i dont think anyone will remotely think of using that as a phone
well it does come with the feature... doesnt it??? anyway 800mhz for vista.... wouldnt that make performance very slow...?
probably... but if u run it slim im sure it would be fine ...
besides im pretty sure u can use a dif os on it like linux
i thought it was supposed to be a 1.2 processor
as for not using as a phone the Athena is pretty much unusable as one as well unless u use bluetooth headset which u would have to do with the shift
Shift and Shangri-la are NOT one and the same phone.
Shift only runs vista. Shangri-la runs both Vista and WM6. They also look different visually.
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Shift and Shangri-la are NOT one and the same phone.
Shift only runs vista. Shangri-la runs both Vista and WM6. They also look different visually.
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according to most of the websites i have seen they are!
maybe theres two different specced machines?
It's under £800 here -> http://www.clove.co.uk/viewProduct....Category=DDCFA00F-7469-4EA2-BECB-AAECD7EAD4F9
But no release date?
OFFICIAL SPECIFICATION, PRICE AND AVAILABILITY TO BE CONFIRMED
quoted from the site so who knows what it will really cost?
Okay, I have have to say, I'm pretty disappointed in PDA phone choices out there. Everything seems to be going "Blackberry" - but I don't like the idea of being limited/forced into Blackberry's services and programs.
So, since they tend to have some cool phones, has anyone tried to make a Windows Mobile 6 version that can replace the Blackberry OS? If so, can you tell me where I could find more information on this? Is it even possible?
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Okay, I have have to say, I'm pretty disappointed in PDA phone choices out there. Everything seems to be going "Blackberry" - but I don't like the idea of being limited/forced into Blackberry's services and programs.
So, since they tend to have some cool phones, has anyone tried to make a Windows Mobile 6 version that can replace the Blackberry OS? If so, can you tell me where I could find more information on this? Is it even possible?
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What do you mean "replace"?
What specific functionality do you want added to WM6? In what way do you think Blackberry is superior?
I think that WM6 has more potential than Blackberry. If you like the GUI, you should look around for Today/Homescreens. There are many many plugins which can offer various functionality to give you what you want.
I think he wants to run WM6(standard?) on a Blackberry.
Explore, trust me, its not worth it nor (because of hardware) is it possible if I'm not mistaken.
You're better off with a MotoQ9 or something.
The only reason anyone should have a Blackberry is for work (email) or for the person who doesn't needs the extras of a PDAphone or average Smartphone.
As for the looks & shape you have many similar Smartphones that share the look of the Blkbry.
What type of PDA interests you? Better yet, what are you looking to do with it?
If you like the Blkbry design you have:
Moto Q9, BlackJack II, HP 910 Business Messenger
Slide QWERTY PDAs:
Mogul, Tytn II, Eten M800 etc.
Media focus PDAs
iPhone, HTC Touch/Sprint Touch, N95 etc.
PowerExec phones:
Nokia E90, XDA Flame, I-mate ultimate 9502 etc.
I'm sure at least 2 of them won't dissapoint & 8 of them run a variation of WM6.
Hello from Duluth
Noiro said:
What type of PDA interests you? Better yet, what are you looking to do with it?
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Basically, I'm looking for a PDA that isn't so slow...like my MDA. I mostly use it for e-mail, excel (expense tracking when I'm out), and calendering/scheduling/contacts. It just seems like with the MDA, whenever I do anything there is always a sense of lag and such.
However, I also don't want to spend as much money on a phone as it would cost for a high end laptop (like the JasJar for example).
I just thought perhaps the new blackberries had better than 200Mhz processors in them and could support my needs better if I could get rid of BlackberryOS and put WM6 on instead.
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Basically, I'm looking for a PDA that isn't so slow...like my MDA. I mostly use it for e-mail, excel (expense tracking when I'm out), and calendering/scheduling/contacts. It just seems like with the MDA, whenever I do anything there is always a sense of lag and such.
However, I also don't want to spend as much money on a phone as it would cost for a high end laptop (like the JasJar for example).
I just thought perhaps the new blackberries had better than 200Mhz processors in them and could support my needs better if I could get rid of BlackberryOS and put WM6 on instead.
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I don't think this will ever be able to happen.
I have the Sprint Touch and have no issues at all with it's 256MB RAM and 400 Mhz Processor.