Hi Guys !
JASJAR Is A Great Device , But It's Camera Doesn't Have Enough Quality , How Can I Improve It's Quality ?
Thanks.
Improve camera
Hello there,
I use Ateksoft Coolcamera with Webcamera plus, you can ajust a lot of settings with this software!
Goodluck, Leo
Thanks. I Use It Too , But It Haven't Performance Too.
In my opinion, if you want a camera you should buy a camera.
All HTC devices I've seen (and I have seen quite a few) have had really poor cameras. The 2MP in my phone actually has a mechanical focusing mechanism, and it performs admirably in medium-light (e.g. 60W incandescent bulbs) but it's not a patch on my 5MP camera.
For a cheap but very reasonable quality digital camera, have a look for the Megxon C580.
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i got an xda 2i believeing it will be better than the xda2.
everything is good in it but it dosen't have the fonix voice dail as promised.
and the camera suck's big time.
is there any upgrade for the camera?
if yes can someone post it here?
thanks in advance.
fonix voice dail is on the seperate disk in the box you have to install it
as for the camera i havn't really used it yet
as for cmos cameras in general then i never found one which had a quality i felt was good
Mpixels dont seem to matter much
it's cmos vs. dcc (the type used in real digicams)
cmos just cant seem to get colours right
and are pretty sensitiv to bright light and dimm light and...
and the optics in them are poor aswell
but i hear people say that some sony E and nokia have a better quality
but i've never seen good quality myself
also read that nokia is putting propper optics in some cam soon
but that dont solve the cmos tech issues
But have you seen the quality of Nokia's 6630/6680 and of course the amazing SE K750i. Those of the K750i are really of an quality that you can go to the shop and let them be printed on photopaper (or do it at home of course). And look how small the phone is! It has by far the best camera of all (western) cameraphones and they achieved to put it in such a small package. I don't know what HTC were thinking with these crappy ass camera's. Why put in a camera when it's almost completely useless? Better let it out and save some money. Hopefully the new ones will be better (althought the pics I've seen taken with the HTC Hurricane aren't impressive either).
Hi guys. I was thinking about the camera of the ipaq 614c - it sucks. But is it the camera hardware or just the software. My gues is the software. I have tried Cool camera and the barcode recognition software Barcorama. It seems they both capture images from the camera and none of the blurry and distorted "effects" are present. The only problem is that Cool Camera doesn't work properly with the ipaq and the image is always rotated 90 degrees and shrinked
so it's no use for now. My question is : Is there a newer (and probably better) version of the Arc Soft camera software. As you know, they don't sell it as a separate piece of software - they sell it to manufactures to implement it into roms. I saw there are new versions that support image stabilization, smile detection and so on. Is there any phone that has that superior software and would it work with the ipaq camera.
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Hi guys. I was thinking about the camera of the ipaq 614c - it sucks. But is it the camera hardware or just the software. My gues is the software. I have tried Cool camera and the barcode recognition software Barcorama. It seems they both capture images from the camera and none of the blurry and distorted "effects" are present. The only problem is that Cool Camera doesn't work properly with the ipaq and the image is always rotated 90 degrees and shrinked
so it's no use for now. My question is : Is there a newer (and probably better) version of the Arc Soft camera software. As you know, they don't sell it as a separate piece of software - they sell it to manufactures to implement it into roms. I saw there are new versions that support image stabilization, smile detection and so on. Is there any phone that has that superior software and would it work with the ipaq camera.
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Nope, it's the hardware that sucks. No matter what soft u throw at it, u won't get better images. It's the lens that's in no relation with the CMOS-chip
Dirk
Are you sure
Yes, technically speaking, this is what causes most of the cameras to suck.
Lens aberation and so on. BUT.
I have some experience in photography and physics and the things i see here are not due to the lens (at least not only)
If you have noticed that some of the images get distorted in a strange way (something like a photoshop filter "twirl") - that's not the lens, as it happens only from time to time on some photos. I must say that blutty and coloured images on the edges are probably because of the lens, but the other things are due to poor software. I have taken images with still hands and they sometimes come out very well. But when you move even a little - the photo is blurry as hell.
So, if someone has an idea of an alternative camera App that might work, i'm willing to help with whatever I can - say can we make Cool camera work on the ipaq, or some other camera application extracted from another phone.
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Yes, technically speaking, this is what causes most of the cameras to suck.
Lens aberation and so on. BUT.
I have some experience in photography and physics and the things i see here are not due to the lens (at least not only)
If you have noticed that some of the images get distorted in a strange way (something like a photoshop filter "twirl") - that's not the lens, as it happens only from time to time on some photos. I must say that blutty and coloured images on the edges are probably because of the lens, but the other things are due to poor software. I have taken images with still hands and they sometimes come out very well. But when you move even a little - the photo is blurry as hell.
So, if someone has an idea of an alternative camera App that might work, i'm willing to help with whatever I can - say can we make Cool camera work on the ipaq, or some other camera application extracted from another phone.
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Yes, i'm sure ... As u say urself, even moving a little makes the pic blurry. In fact it's almost impossible to have a 'rocksteady' hand, cos of the relative high power u need to press the button. And again ; the lens is much to close on the chip and much to sharply bent to give good images. Just take a pic and look at it. U'll see that the sides are showing almost everything on the left or right from u. Looks like HP built a combined 28-35mm lens on 4mm²...
It's even better viewable when u take panoramapics ... then u get a kind of 'ondulated' result.
The only real solution would be : removing the lens and put something more apropriate in....
Dirk
Well that's an argument I wouldn't disagree with. I have noticed that "fish eye" effect in panoramic shots and the built-it blur effect on the edges of the image.
That's it - the camera is on par with an old 1.3Mpx siemens M75 and a lot suckier than the fixed focus cameras in samsung i600 and motorola Q9. Can't they learn it's not about the megapixels. Oh wait, they know it, but your average custumer doesn't. Whatever. Hp - never again dor a lot more reasons than the camera, which i actually don't use that much, but still...
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Well that's an argument I wouldn't disagree with. I have noticed that "fish eye" effect in panoramic shots and the built-it blur effect on the edges of the image.
That's it - the camera is on par with an old 1.3Mpx siemens M75 and a lot suckier than the fixed focus cameras in samsung i600 and motorola Q9. Can't they learn it's not about the megapixels. Oh wait, they know it, but your average custumer doesn't. Whatever. Hp - never again dor a lot more reasons than the camera, which i actually don't use that much, but still...
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Right, you got it Even more surprising is the fact that HP has the techno for building decent pictureboxes (i have one ), but it seems impossible to use that technology to put a decent cam in a phone. Might be cos of the size ? The smaller you have it, the worse gets the pics... bottomline : phones are not pictureboxes, and will never be.
Dirk
Speaking of the camera i have only 1 question ( dumb ) ...how do you zoom ? Haven't found this option !
you can only zoom when you are not in max resolution (3M), change to lower and you can zoom, the zoom slider is on the left side and you can use keypad (6 & 4) to control too
Maybe i'm missing basic photo knowledge but, the bigger the resolution ,smaller the zoom ?
at least that's how the ipaq work, i have no idea about the reason but then you don't really expect it can zoom much since then lens can't really move much like a real camera anyway
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at least that's how the ipaq work, i have no idea about the reason but then you don't really expect it can zoom much since then lens can't really move much like a real camera anyway
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Hi,
It's an electonic zoom, nothing to do with the lens. If you want to 'zoom' the software uses an alogorithm to recalculate the picture and display the 'center' part of it as larger (zoomed). Gives nice distortions too
Dirk
as I definitely won't use my camera, do you know a program that can use the led of the camera as a flash light and that works on 614C ?
I tried nuelight and torchbutton but none of them work on this device ...
I tried every possible situation to get the camera to act like a 5MP one but not even close.
I am happy with my HD actually but the fact that it has the 5MP camera made me buy it a week ago rather than getting the TOUCH PRO 2.
Looking at the pictures with 5MP set on, they are 2592x1552 with superfine quality which even does not make 5MP (4 maybe). Pictures with N95 were way better. Is it that hard to implement a good 5Mp camera with such a great device? Was the aim for all the stories about that 5MP camera only commercial ? I feel bad now as deciding which device to buy based on specs became really hard.
I'm a bit disappointent with the camera as well, but:
- Set 'widescreen' to off. Then you get actual 5MP pictures.
- The camera quality in the new custom roms (I use Dutty's 2.1) is slightly better.
Hope it helps
Have a look here Best Camera Settings
Well, most of us are happy to have a great phone with a 5MP camera and not vice versa!
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Have a look here Best Camera Settings
Well, most of us are happy to have a great phone with a 5MP camera and not vice versa!
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Thanks for the link. I have been reading also that the camera quality is almost as good as other 3.2MP HTCs devices which is really disappointing.
On such a small sensor, more megapixels makes the picture worse.
It's the same reason why the best pocket cameras are three year old 6 megapixel models. The new ones are 15megapixel, and are way worse.
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On such a small sensor, more megapixels makes the picture worse.
It's the same reason why the best pocket cameras are three year old 6 megapixel models. The new ones are 15megapixel, and are way worse.
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I think you are right, maybe we should ignore the fact that cameras of HTC devices with more Mpix are better and focus on other specs like Screen/integrated Keyboard/processor/RAM/ROM.
I understand now why PRO 2 has a 3.2MP camera.
I totally agree with op but also the reasoning responses.
they marketed it as a 5 megapixel and its way below par with everything.
the phone is awesome and I wouldn't trade it with anything right now.
however I would totally sympathise with anyone who uses the camera as a deciding factor upon purchasing.
The camera is not a deciding factor but when you choose between 2 devices with same specs, one with 3.2MP and one with 5MP, you should know that you did not get anything as a plus. You only payed more.
It's only going to get sillier. New models are coming out with 8mp and 12mp, and the pictures they take are awful.
Jeez, even aps-c DSLRs from all manufacturers max out at 10/11mp, because it's counterproductive to have more (and they have sensors 245645363456546x bigger than a mobile).
So in other words, the 3.2MP of new HTC devices camera is better than the 5MP on the HD ?
The quality of the picture quality of the HD is heaps better than the pictures taken from the n95, it's just the shutter is much slower in low light on the HD, that's its weak point.
It will be a matter of time when a firmware upgrade is provided to increase the shutter.
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So in other words, the 3.2MP of new HTC devices camera is better than the 5MP on the HD ?
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At this sensor size, and with the same lens, 3.2mp will produce better pictures than 5mp.
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So in other words, the 3.2MP of new HTC devices camera is better than the 5MP on the HD ?
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3.2MP on OLD HTC device is better than the HD in terms of usability, quality is still very very good in ideal conditions.
I find the photos pretty OK in daylight. It is an average 5MP just a little worse than the N95. Just use the default settings.
I had a N95 also. Like you said, the quality of the pictures is not as good as a 2 years 5MP device. That is what i am not getting.
Man I hate reading thread like this, the fact that you think 5MP determines picture quality suggests that perhaps you buy anything before thoroughly investigating!
N95, HD, both pic quality is still very poor compared to an actual dedicated SLR or Digital camera.
Megapixels are just "dots" 1 megapixel = 1 million dots etc, therefore yes the HD can take a 5 megapixel photo, however, "megapixels" do not necassarily determine picture quality, all sorts of factors make up picture quality, such as: human knowledge and experience, lighting, the quality of the lens and sensor combination, the size of the photodiode(s), the quality of the camera components, the level of sophistication of the imaging processing software, the image file format used to store it, etc. Different sensor and camera designs make different compromises. I have n95 too and find the quality between the two similar, crap! compared to my Nikon 6mp digital camera.
Simply you dont "get it" because perhaps you dont put enough thought or research into things. Im not having a go at you, I just would assume that after 2yrs with a piece of crap N95 you'd know better.
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Man I hate reading thread like this, the fact that you think 5MP determines picture quality suggests that perhaps you buy anything before thoroughly investigating!
N95, HD, both pic quality is still very poor compared to an actual dedicated SLR or Digital camera.
Megapixels are just "dots" 1 megapixel = 1 million dots etc, therefore yes the HD can take a 5 megapixel photo, however, "megapixels" do not necassarily determine picture quality, all sorts of factors make up picture quality, such as: human knowledge and experience, lighting, the quality of the lens and sensor combination, the size of the photodiode(s), the quality of the camera components, the level of sophistication of the imaging processing software, the image file format used to store it, etc. Different sensor and camera designs make different compromises. I have n95 too and find the quality between the two similar, crap! compared to my Nikon 6mp digital camera.
Simply you dont "get it" because perhaps you dont put enough thought or research into things. Im not having a go at you, I just would assume that after 2yrs with a piece of crap N95 you'd know better.
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And maybe you can explain for me why they are going through higher MPixels with newer phones if the picture quality will still suck ? This is my point of the whole thread. Dont you think it is just a commercial thing to get people interested in buying higher specs devices ?
Also check out this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=491592&highlight=brightness+camera
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And maybe you can explain for me why they are going through higher MPixels with newer phones if the picture quality will still suck ? This is my point of the whole thread. Dont you think it is just a commercial thing to get people interested in buying higher specs devices ?
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Of course. That's been obvious for years now, same with mainstream cameras (except the dslr market, where image quality actually matters).
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And maybe you can explain for me why they are going through higher MPixels with newer phones if the picture quality will still suck ? This is my point of the whole thread. Dont you think it is just a commercial thing to get people interested in buying higher specs devices ?
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Higher Megapixels DO NOT determine picture quality it is merely and simply resolution, even on a high quality digital camera MP has less value than a good quality lens.
Here is my observation on our htc touch viva camera.
Megapixels: 2
But still i found the camera is worst than a 1.3mp! hey but wait thats when i have less light say if i capture a image on dark place. But iam really amazed when i take a pic outside with full light it gives so beautiful picture just you can show to your freinds your gallery. Picture taken outside really looks good than any other phone (similar phones)
I would like to hear your opinion Please actively participate on this thread its your viva forum And plz vote
I always wondered why this happens, then i found a small piece of info which solves this mystery (may be)
There are some types of camera sensors one of them is CCD sensor which will give a noisy image on low light and most probably our viva has CCD sensor.
But there is another type of sensor called CMOS sensor which produces smoother, less noisy picture which is present in iphone (lol the dumb phone) lets take a good example than iphone that is our htc's hd2 it has CMOS sensor. So i hope this solves this little mystery of noisy image on low light.
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i also think the same but video sucks
the Opal's camera sucks... that's why i don't use it.
I think that OPALs camera is better than nothing! Outdoor and landshaft photos are really fine becouse it's use smooth function. If it will be posibl to disable this function meybe photos be more sharper!
i always adjust it to 1 megapixels, but the quanlity is better than 2 mega, sounds funny.
hey
we can make htc camera more responsive if the framerates in the video is changed.........our camera is limited due to cpu clock but i guess everyone overclocks it ...so there has to be a way to improve video
Hi all, I 've been thinking of buying a new phone & I really like the g2 very much but the only thing that is stopping me is the camera performance.
Can someone please tell me after the Jishu/xdadebb mod how is the camera performance under low light, how is the autofocus in low light also is the continuous autofocus in the video problem resolved. How much is the shutter lag after the mod.
I really want to buy this device for the camera & its under my budget if the camera ain't good enough even after the mods I may go with oppo find 7a/oneplus one which are in the same budget but have better camera.
I dont capture my photos in low light. But the camera is pretty amazing with xdadebb mod, and Mi2Raw enables the G2 to capture raw footage as well.
The G2 and G3 has the same camera sensor, just that the G3 has a Z-Axis image stabiliser and laser autofocus. So if I were you, I'll go look at those camera comparisons on review sites comparing the G3, OnePlus One and the Oppo.
Edit: Video performance is pretty good too. xdadebb camera mod allows for tap to focus in video to focus your subject and it works well. It has object tracking too!
Edit 2: With dorimanx's kernel, I was able to turn down the mic gain when I was at a concert. That + the stereo recording = pretty awesome recording
Thanks @lowjinyik.
Anyone else using these mods please comment about the low light performace after the mod.
I haven't tried taking pictures in low-light conditions yet, I should, will do and compare later but under bright, sunshine outdoor, with Normal mode, I see virtually no difference in term of performance and image quality. There are several features that I haven't tried out yet.
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Hi all, I 've been thinking of buying a new phone & I really like the g2 very much but the only thing that is stopping me is the camera performance.
Can someone please tell me after the Jishu/xdadebb mod how is the camera performance under low light, how is the autofocus in low light also is the continuous autofocus in the video problem resolved. How much is the shutter lag after the mod.
I really want to buy this device for the camera & its under my budget if the camera ain't good enough even after the mods I may go with oppo find 7a/oneplus one which are in the same budget but have better camera.
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The low light camera quality is good. The mod makes very little difference to low light pictures.
Thanks guys for your responses. I think I might go with oppo find7. It's better than the g2 in every aspect except battery life & OS updates. Which can be taken care by the VOOC charger & custom roms respectively.