I tried every possible situation to get the camera to act like a 5MP one but not even close.
I am happy with my HD actually but the fact that it has the 5MP camera made me buy it a week ago rather than getting the TOUCH PRO 2.
Looking at the pictures with 5MP set on, they are 2592x1552 with superfine quality which even does not make 5MP (4 maybe). Pictures with N95 were way better. Is it that hard to implement a good 5Mp camera with such a great device? Was the aim for all the stories about that 5MP camera only commercial ? I feel bad now as deciding which device to buy based on specs became really hard.
I'm a bit disappointent with the camera as well, but:
- Set 'widescreen' to off. Then you get actual 5MP pictures.
- The camera quality in the new custom roms (I use Dutty's 2.1) is slightly better.
Hope it helps
Have a look here Best Camera Settings
Well, most of us are happy to have a great phone with a 5MP camera and not vice versa!
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Have a look here Best Camera Settings
Well, most of us are happy to have a great phone with a 5MP camera and not vice versa!
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Thanks for the link. I have been reading also that the camera quality is almost as good as other 3.2MP HTCs devices which is really disappointing.
On such a small sensor, more megapixels makes the picture worse.
It's the same reason why the best pocket cameras are three year old 6 megapixel models. The new ones are 15megapixel, and are way worse.
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On such a small sensor, more megapixels makes the picture worse.
It's the same reason why the best pocket cameras are three year old 6 megapixel models. The new ones are 15megapixel, and are way worse.
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I think you are right, maybe we should ignore the fact that cameras of HTC devices with more Mpix are better and focus on other specs like Screen/integrated Keyboard/processor/RAM/ROM.
I understand now why PRO 2 has a 3.2MP camera.
I totally agree with op but also the reasoning responses.
they marketed it as a 5 megapixel and its way below par with everything.
the phone is awesome and I wouldn't trade it with anything right now.
however I would totally sympathise with anyone who uses the camera as a deciding factor upon purchasing.
The camera is not a deciding factor but when you choose between 2 devices with same specs, one with 3.2MP and one with 5MP, you should know that you did not get anything as a plus. You only payed more.
It's only going to get sillier. New models are coming out with 8mp and 12mp, and the pictures they take are awful.
Jeez, even aps-c DSLRs from all manufacturers max out at 10/11mp, because it's counterproductive to have more (and they have sensors 245645363456546x bigger than a mobile).
So in other words, the 3.2MP of new HTC devices camera is better than the 5MP on the HD ?
The quality of the picture quality of the HD is heaps better than the pictures taken from the n95, it's just the shutter is much slower in low light on the HD, that's its weak point.
It will be a matter of time when a firmware upgrade is provided to increase the shutter.
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So in other words, the 3.2MP of new HTC devices camera is better than the 5MP on the HD ?
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At this sensor size, and with the same lens, 3.2mp will produce better pictures than 5mp.
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So in other words, the 3.2MP of new HTC devices camera is better than the 5MP on the HD ?
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3.2MP on OLD HTC device is better than the HD in terms of usability, quality is still very very good in ideal conditions.
I find the photos pretty OK in daylight. It is an average 5MP just a little worse than the N95. Just use the default settings.
I had a N95 also. Like you said, the quality of the pictures is not as good as a 2 years 5MP device. That is what i am not getting.
Man I hate reading thread like this, the fact that you think 5MP determines picture quality suggests that perhaps you buy anything before thoroughly investigating!
N95, HD, both pic quality is still very poor compared to an actual dedicated SLR or Digital camera.
Megapixels are just "dots" 1 megapixel = 1 million dots etc, therefore yes the HD can take a 5 megapixel photo, however, "megapixels" do not necassarily determine picture quality, all sorts of factors make up picture quality, such as: human knowledge and experience, lighting, the quality of the lens and sensor combination, the size of the photodiode(s), the quality of the camera components, the level of sophistication of the imaging processing software, the image file format used to store it, etc. Different sensor and camera designs make different compromises. I have n95 too and find the quality between the two similar, crap! compared to my Nikon 6mp digital camera.
Simply you dont "get it" because perhaps you dont put enough thought or research into things. Im not having a go at you, I just would assume that after 2yrs with a piece of crap N95 you'd know better.
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Man I hate reading thread like this, the fact that you think 5MP determines picture quality suggests that perhaps you buy anything before thoroughly investigating!
N95, HD, both pic quality is still very poor compared to an actual dedicated SLR or Digital camera.
Megapixels are just "dots" 1 megapixel = 1 million dots etc, therefore yes the HD can take a 5 megapixel photo, however, "megapixels" do not necassarily determine picture quality, all sorts of factors make up picture quality, such as: human knowledge and experience, lighting, the quality of the lens and sensor combination, the size of the photodiode(s), the quality of the camera components, the level of sophistication of the imaging processing software, the image file format used to store it, etc. Different sensor and camera designs make different compromises. I have n95 too and find the quality between the two similar, crap! compared to my Nikon 6mp digital camera.
Simply you dont "get it" because perhaps you dont put enough thought or research into things. Im not having a go at you, I just would assume that after 2yrs with a piece of crap N95 you'd know better.
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And maybe you can explain for me why they are going through higher MPixels with newer phones if the picture quality will still suck ? This is my point of the whole thread. Dont you think it is just a commercial thing to get people interested in buying higher specs devices ?
Also check out this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=491592&highlight=brightness+camera
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And maybe you can explain for me why they are going through higher MPixels with newer phones if the picture quality will still suck ? This is my point of the whole thread. Dont you think it is just a commercial thing to get people interested in buying higher specs devices ?
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Of course. That's been obvious for years now, same with mainstream cameras (except the dslr market, where image quality actually matters).
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And maybe you can explain for me why they are going through higher MPixels with newer phones if the picture quality will still suck ? This is my point of the whole thread. Dont you think it is just a commercial thing to get people interested in buying higher specs devices ?
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Higher Megapixels DO NOT determine picture quality it is merely and simply resolution, even on a high quality digital camera MP has less value than a good quality lens.
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Sure the camera doesn't have much of a lens, and the zoom is really interpolated; but I really have my doubts that the camera is actually a 3.0MP.
Have there been any in depth tests to prove the camera's resolution???
How big a file should it be with the 3.0M super fine photos?
I take photos at the highest resolution and there is still pixel 'blocking'. I know HTC is new to this, but it is a let down. My old Sony 2.0MP takes better photos.
Clearly u have mistaken abt the relationship between MP and picture quality.
Higher MP does not necessarily mean better images taken.
If u compare a logitech quickcam IM's photo to that of the microsoft 2MP one. u will realise that althought the IM only supports VGA but
picture quality is much better......
The 4 most important factors in photography: Skill, Lens quality, lens quality, lens quality.
And you did realize that when you use the 3 MP mode, there is no zoom available?
A typical 3 MP "Super fine" image will be around 900-1400 KB depending on colors and detail of the object/situation you photograph. A "Fine" photo will land around 450-750 KB.
There is no noticeable difference between "Fine" and "Super fine" modes except in close up, high contrast photos.
I have attached 2 photos for your comparison. Yes, the camera is of poor quality as seen by these 2 images.
http://bayimg.com/DAEKGaABO
http://bayimg.com/DaEkHAABO
Oh, and to double check the resolution, just take a picture, save it to your PC and open it up with any image editing program and see for yourself.
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Sure the camera doesn't have much of a lens, and the zoom is really interpolated; but I really have my doubts that the camera is actually a 3.0MP.
Have there been any in depth tests to prove the camera's resolution???
How big a file should it be with the 3.0M super fine photos?
I take photos at the highest resolution and there is still pixel 'blocking'. I know HTC is new to this, but it is a let down. My old Sony 2.0MP takes better photos.
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Did you really expect super great pictures on the data centric device? Sure SE Phones do a better job of this, but what else can they do?
If you want a high quality camera or anything else techy, always buy a dedicated device for the job. Simple.
Personally speaking I find the camera quality more than acceptable for a PPC/Phone, as a matter of fact I would go as far to say that it is the best in class out of all PPC Phones. Just MHO though.
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Personally speaking I find the camera quality more than acceptable for a PPC/Phone, as a matter of fact I would go as far to say that it is the best in class out of all PPC Phones.
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I've got the same impression about the cam,
at least compared to my old HTC Magician
Camera
The quality of the camera is probably the only reason why I have not let the X7501 fully replace my N95 as a phone!
thetruth1983 said:
The quality of the camera is probably the only reason why I have not let the X7501 fully replace my N95 as a phone!
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lmao, scnr
mojo2000 said:
lmao, scnr
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I've got an N95 and its camera isn't much better in my opinion, though it copes with moving subjects slightly better and video is VASTLY superior. I prefer B&W shots on the Ameo though. The flash on the Ameo is much brighter too - I still don't understand why HTC don't provide an automated flash function though - very annoying!
Sorry if I gave the impression that I was expecting a first rate camera with the 7501.
I purchased this for the following reasons, ranking in importance:
PDA
Phone
GPS
Media Player
Camera
With that said, there is another component to a good photo beside: Skill, Lens quality.
That is the software that puts all the image together.
My old Sony 2.0MP had a Carl Zeiss lens and the end product was still crap compared to the Canon's of the day. The internal software was the let down. So too the HTC.
keithwwalker said:
Sure the camera doesn't have much of a lens, and the zoom is really interpolated; but I really have my doubts that the camera is actually a 3.0MP.
Have there been any in depth tests to prove the camera's resolution???
How big a file should it be with the 3.0M super fine photos?
I take photos at the highest resolution and there is still pixel 'blocking'. I know HTC is new to this, but it is a let down. My old Sony 2.0MP takes better photos.
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Calavaro said:
The 4 most important factors in photography: Skill, Lens quality, lens quality, lens quality.
And you did realize that when you use the 3 MP mode, there is no zoom available?
A typical 3 MP "Super fine" image will be around 900-1400 KB depending on colors and detail of the object/situation you photograph. A "Fine" photo will land around 450-750 KB.
There is no noticeable difference between "Fine" and "Super fine" modes except in close up, high contrast photos.
I have attached 2 photos for your comparison. Yes, the camera is of poor quality as seen by these 2 images.
http://bayimg.com/DAEKGaABO
http://bayimg.com/DaEkHAABO
Oh, and to double check the resolution, just take a picture, save it to your PC and open it up with any image editing program and see for yourself.
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Dude, when was the last time you really cleaned?
another big factor of picture quality is the sensor size...
most people down know this but the bigger teh sensor the better the picture quality...
that is why a dslr with a big sensor though it may have a 3 MP pixel size will alwasy be better than a point and shoot thats 8 MP
this gets into photography .. but basicly craming more pixels into a same sized sensor will seldom yield better results ... just maybe allow you to blow up the picture a bit more thats it...
having said that i think the camera on the athena is excellent compared to other phones of the nature
I disagree with the fact that len quality is the most important factor.... Len is very important but tt is when you r using something with a gd sensor.... the image processor and sensor.... b it cmos or ccd will
b the one that makes the most difference when it comes to image quality.......
Calavaro said:
The 4 most important factors in photography: Skill, Lens quality, lens quality, lens quality.
And you did realize that when you use the 3 MP mode, there is no zoom available?
A typical 3 MP "Super fine" image will be around 900-1400 KB depending on colors and detail of the object/situation you photograph. A "Fine" photo will land around 450-750 KB.
There is no noticeable difference between "Fine" and "Super fine" modes except in close up, high contrast photos.
I have attached 2 photos for your comparison. Yes, the camera is of poor quality as seen by these 2 images.
http://bayimg.com/DAEKGaABO
http://bayimg.com/DaEkHAABO
Oh, and to double check the resolution, just take a picture, save it to your PC and open it up with any image editing program and see for yourself.
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I disagree with the fact that len quality is the most important factor.... Len is very important but tt is when you r using something with a gd sensor.... the image processor and sensor.... b it cmos or ccd will
b the one that makes the most difference when it comes to image quality.......
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sensor is imp ... but like i said its sensor size...
and being how most cell phones are small... you cant fit a big sensor in it... so image quality willbe sub par always...
you made me laugh out loud with that comment....you're right!!
for gods sake calavaro if you dont want to dust, just blow that dust away.......sneeze or something!!
of course you wanted it there for effect!?!?
in keeping w/ the thread though, i have a trion w/ a 2 mp and it is the best i've had in all my pda/phones...how does the advantage compare to that camera? anyone??
dan
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you made me laugh out loud with that comment....you're right!!
for gods sake calavaro if you dont want to dust, just blow that dust away.......sneeze or something!!
of course you wanted it there for effect!?!?
in keeping w/ the thread though, i have a trion w/ a 2 mp and it is the best i've had in all my pda/phones...how does the advantage compare to that camera? anyone??
dan
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Can't remember if the Trion is the same as the Hermes?! If it is, I had a Hermes and loved the camera...for a PPC, but I rate the Athena camera slightly ahead in every way.
i do find the athena camera superior to every other camera phone i have seen...
i especially like the focus... it definately makes the picture quite al ot sharper
any other camera with a fixed focal length produces far inferior results...
the reason is because it is fixed at infinity ... so it doesnt have to focus necessarily ...
basicly becaused of a fixed focal length at infinity you get a much softer picture...
and it is a common known fact among photographers the infinity focal length produces sub par results ...
for example they dont use the infinity focal length to take landscape pictures... it really depends per lens but they use a dif formula to calculate the best length...
the long and the short a variable focal lens will top a fixed focal length always...
in short if you cant focus ur lens like most pda phones athenas is better...
Haha. I do dust. I live in a 3rd world country with massive traffic in the center of a big-ass city. I even have maids helping out. That's the best that can be done on a day to day basis. So how about, you know, focus on the issue at hand?
No matter how you look at it, a camera on a phone will never be as good as even the simplest point-and-shoot camera. Yes, quality has improved, but it's still way behind.
So what's up with those red lines at the top left corner? about half the pictures I take has this "effect". Seems to happen mostly in high light conditions.
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I've got an N95 and its camera isn't much better in my opinion, though it copes with moving subjects slightly better and video is VASTLY superior. I prefer B&W shots on the Ameo though. The flash on the Ameo is much brighter too - I still don't understand why HTC don't provide an automated flash function though - very annoying!
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The N95 indeed has a poor quality STILL capture, however the VIDEO capability is amazing.
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Haha. I do dust. I live in a 3rd world country with massive traffic in the center of a big-ass city. I even have maids helping out. That's the best that can be done on a day to day basis. So how about, you know, focus on the issue at hand?
No matter how you look at it, a camera on a phone will never be as good as even the simplest point-and-shoot camera. Yes, quality has improved, but it's still way behind.
So what's up with those red lines at the top left corner? about half the pictures I take has this "effect". Seems to happen mostly in high light conditions.
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This is becaues of teh sensor size i mentioned before ..
its just not possible unless you want to carry a huge phone... (thickness)
and though the athena is big its really not that thick...
i really don't get it. most of the comments posted praise the Athena camera. Personally i think the camera is pretty good and sharp and the fact it can produce a 3mp photo is excellent.. BUT.. after using it for 2 months.. it is only great for outdoor and scenery shots (or if your subject does not move too much). in a NORMAL (and i say normal as in if you are in doors and the lighting condition is considered very good) indoor situation, if your subject just moves a little.. the whole picture becomes blur.. try this.. take a shot outdoor while u shake ur camera.. (result.. decent picture)... go indoor and move your camera.. (result.. sucks)..
i for one bought the phone to also take pictures of my kid especially when we go out shopping.. but the camera feature simply cannot make it..
question: when indoors.. the camera is like perpetually in night mode (i mean everything is like in slow motion.. jerky..) weird?!?!? even if i am using my old xda ii, it does not do this.. why oh why?
i do understand what most of u guys are saying about a weak sensor.. but i for one is a disappointed customer.. a phone with such a powerful cpu yet the picture and video quality is terrible.. sigh...
Hey guys.
There's a new competitor in town. SE is definitely looking to gain some market share with the Idou scheduled launch Q2 '09. some specs listed are :
Sony Ericsson Idou
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
HSDPA 900 / 2100
Coming soon. Exp. release 2009, Q3
TFT touchscreen, 16M colors
360 x 640 pixels, 3.5 inches
Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g, DLNA
Symbian OS
12.1 MP, 4256 x 2832 pixels, autofocus, xenon flash, video, video LED flash, secondary VGA videocall camera
- Built-in GPS
- aGPS function
- Camera images geo-tagging, face and smile detection
- Google maps
- FM radio with RDS
- MP3/AAC/MPEG4 player
- Organiser
- Built-in handsfree
- Voice memo/dial
- Java MIDP 2.0
Some links:
Engadget
Phonedog
Some other video
What are your thoughts on this new model.
The SE Idou has a smaller screen, lower resolution, not WinMo, no North American 3G (Telstra model has 850).
The only positive that jumps out is the camera, but that's not enough to overcome the above negatives for me. Sorry, not interested.
I bet the Idou-NOT camera will still be shooting 3gp video in 320*240 resolution
My 3 and a half year old Universal has a bigger, higher resolution screen than the Idou. If that's progress I'm not impressed.
That phone was epic back in the day! Still has some decent specs now!
really cant stand all those nonstandard resolution.
heck, enough's enough already with vga wvga q and square stuff!
crashDebug said:
really cant stand all those nonstandard resolution.
heck, enough's enough already with vga wvga q and square stuff!
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Well get used to it - it's the same resolution that all the new touchscreen Symbian handsets are coming out with such as the Nokia 5800 and the Samsung OmniaHD.
The reason they've gone for it is that it's a 16:9 aspect ratio.
There's no point trying to compare the Touch HD to the Idou as one of those handsets isn't even available yet.
In fact, going on SE's recent form, I'd be very surprised if they get it into shops this year. And I'd even go so far as to say that someone like Samsung or LG will have released a different 12mp handset before Idou is available.
Also, why on earth does anyone think that 12mp on a phone is going to be a good thing?
Think about how poor the camera on the HD can be, do you really think cramming in an extra 7 million pixels will make things better?
Too low res for me - 800*480 is simply a sweet spot, it's the major thing HTC got right.
I bet the 12mp camera takes shockingly bad pictures too. That's more than almost all aps-c DSLRs out there (and the few that tried 14/15mpixel didn't sell, because they took worse pictures than the 10/11 models).
Idou would be a good phone. If this (or N97) is out now, I would not have bought the HD. Don't get me wrong. I am very satisfied with HD (with all the tweaks and cooked roms). Coming from a S60 N95/82 and after using HD for the last 3 months I have to honestly say somehow WM is still not as good an OS compared to Symbian. Symbian is still more robust, nimble and more efficient.
not impressed with it's spec's compared to some of the 2009 htc devices on the horizen...like the Firestone, etc.
I don't know for sure, but normally cameras with these resolution ain't better than any 5 MP camera. Its not the resolution that limits the capacities, but its the lens.
mib1800 said:
Coming from a S60 N95/82 and after using HD for the last 3 months I have to honestly say somehow WM is still not as good an OS compared to Symbian. Symbian is still more robust, nimble and more efficient.
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Everyone has their own preferences.
Until the Nokia 5800 was released, I'd never used a Symbian phone that I liked. I just don't feel the way the menus are laid out works all that well.
johnpatcher said:
I don't know for sure, but normally cameras with these resolution ain't better than any 5 MP camera. Its not the resolution that limits the capacities, but its the lens.
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It's both.
Yes the lens makes a big difference but so do the number of pixels.
By cramming more pixels onto the same size of sensor, each pixel is smaller and consequently less light hits it.
Because less light hits it, the picture will appear duller unless you increase the amplification of the signal from each pixel. But if you do that, you also increase the amount of noise, which is detrimental to the picture quality.
Even with premium components it's impossible to amplify a signal without having noise appear but there's no way that a phone is going to be fitted with premium components, so the noise will be much worse than it would be on a digital camera of the same quality, not to mention that proper digital cameras would also tend to have a physically larger sensor anyway, so they wouldn't have to crank the amplification up so much.
Even the C905 (which is, according to GSMArena the best 8mp camera-phone on the market from a camera perspective) already has serious issues with noise and, at best, Idou will have a sensor of the same physical size but with more pixels.
However I've already read rumours that the sensor will, in fact, be smaller than the C905's which will make it all even worse.
Step666 said:
It's both.
Yes the lens makes a big difference but so do the number of pixels.
By cramming more pixels onto the same size of sensor, each pixel is smaller and consequently less light hits it.
Because less light hits it, the picture will appear duller unless you increase the amplification of the signal from each pixel. But if you do that, you also increase the amount of noise, which is detrimental to the picture quality.
Even with premium components it's impossible to amplify a signal without having noise appear but there's no way that a phone is going to be fitted with premium components, so the noise will be much worse than it would be on a digital camera of the same quality, not to mention that proper digital cameras would also tend to have a physically larger sensor anyway, so they wouldn't have to crank the amplification up so much.
Even the C905 (which is, according to GSMArena the best 8mp camera-phone on the market from a camera perspective) already has serious issues with noise and, at best, Idou will have a sensor of the same physical size but with more pixels.
However I've already read rumours that the sensor will, in fact, be smaller than the C905's which will make it all even worse.
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I agree with everything you said, and being a photographer I'm very familiar with issues you described.
However, Sony is leading the market in compact digital cameras, and as such, it would not surprise me that these 12 megapixels turn out to produce "decent quality" photos.
Decent for average Joe Snapshooter, of course. Because, although for last 5 or so years I have been listening to "OMG, they're putting EVEN more pixels onto that tiny sensor", somehow the manufacturers are still running the megapixel race, and image quality has had a small but steady quality improvement. First time I heard this sentence was when first big megapixel jump happened: from 1 megapixel to 2.
So, let's just wait and see before bashing the new Sony, at least camera-wise.
I'm not waiting, I hold out zero hope for Idou or any other 12mp handset.
I've seen both 100% crops and A3 printouts from the C905 and as I said before, noise is a huge problem.
I just don't see how adding extra pixels is going to do anything but make matters worse.
Also, since when have Sony been leading the market for compact cameras?
I must admit I'm not as au fait with everything since the pixel numbers went through the roof but last time I checked, Nikon and Canon were sharing the spoils.
Rozenthal said:
Decent for average Joe Snapshooter, of course. Because, although for last 5 or so years I have been listening to "OMG, they're putting EVEN more pixels onto that tiny sensor", somehow the manufacturers are still running the megapixel race, and image quality has had a small but steady quality improvement.
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There have been tests recently that showed the best compact ever made was the Fuji f30, a 4 year old 6 megapixel model (people pay a ton of money for them on ebay). Even with improvements in tech since, they've not been able to counteract the quality decrease that cramming more megapixels in causes. Fuji themselves tried to reign back the megapixel race, hold at 8 max for quality reasons, but marketing trumps all and they've had to give it up.
I had a 15mpixel Canon pocket camera recently, the quality was awful.
arfster said:
There have been tests recently that showed the best compact ever made was the Fuji f30, a 4 year old 6 megapixel model (people pay a ton of money for them on ebay).
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I don't suppose you have a link?
I tried my fair share of Fuji cameras in the past and was never hugely impressed by them, so I'm a little surprised at that.
Also, for them to try and position themselves as the voice of reason in the megapixel war is rather hypocritical since they were the manufacturer who traditionally always aimed for more, staying on with interpolation long after most other manufacturers had given up on it.
Seriously, how can they call this an 8MP camera?
No matter what menu settings, location, lighting I choose MOST of the pics always come out looking like garbage. Really fuzzy.
No wonder Droid X and iPhone's camera destroyed this in the tests.
And the camcorder is another good joke from HTC. 720p video recording? Really? Total joke.
What kind of magical settings do you people use to make it look better?
Maybe I will hire a professional photographer/lighting specialist to follow me all over 24/7 just in case I need to take some decent pics with this damn thing.
End rant./
not gonna lie it kinda does suck on video and on normal shots you have to be still for a couple of seconds and it looks really nice
I like pics i take with it
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not gonna lie it kinda does suck on video and on normal shots you have to be still for a couple of seconds and it looks really nice
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It's the software that comes with it I've tried other camera software like camera pro it snaps fast like really fast. Just that the software needs to be updated for the HTC EVO. Far as stock camera video its the software encoding sucks. The hardware is great just finding the right software or somebody develops one. Seems as if all the devs are busy rooting and tweaking the roms that HTC and Google should of done before even releasing software. Then maybe the devs can focus on making apps for us. Maybe somebody will soon develop better camera and video app that really take advantage of this great camera.
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Seriously, how can they call this an 8MP camera?
No matter what menu settings, location, lighting I choose MOST of the pics always come out looking like garbage. Really fuzzy.
No wonder Droid X and iPhone's camera destroyed this in the tests.
And the camcorder is another good joke from HTC. 720p video recording? Really? Total joke.
What kind of magical settings do you people use to make it look better?
Maybe I will hire a professional photographer/lighting specialist to follow me all over 24/7 just in case I need to take some decent pics with this damn thing.
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Are you focusing the camera? Press and hold on the screen in the area you want to focus and it will focus and snap the picture. The pictures are pretty good (not DSLR quality or anything, but much better than most/all phones).
AvatarOfFrost said:
Seriously, how can they call this an 8MP camera?
No matter what menu settings, location, lighting I choose MOST of the pics always come out looking like garbage. Really fuzzy.
No wonder Droid X and iPhone's camera destroyed this in the tests.
And the camcorder is another good joke from HTC. 720p video recording? Really? Total joke.
What kind of magical settings do you people use to make it look better?
Maybe I will hire a professional photographer/lighting specialist to follow me all over 24/7 just in case I need to take some decent pics with this damn thing.
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Ok, two things to point out here
1. The Droid X and iPhone did not destroy the Evo in terms of camera. Camcorder wise yes, but not the camera itself. That's working just fine, and I haven't heard too many complaints about the camera itself. Most cell phone cameras at this level produce similar results.
2. Yes, the video quality does suck ass, but its been made a whole lot better here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=711808. My evo is recording at 13 mbps in h.264, and the results are fantastic. We shouldn't have to be doing this, but at least its working.
It's a phone.
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Agreed. The camera sucks.. I think it's 8 in dog megapixels.
Ahh, ignorance is bliss!
Megapixels =/= photo quality directly. Mega pixel = 1 million pixels. 8 MP = 8 million pixels. There is much more than just "MP" when comparing cameras silly..
Go get educated, then come back
amirborna said:
Ahh, ignorance is bliss!
Megapixels =/= photo quality directly. Mega pixel = 1 million pixels. 8 MP = 8 million pixels. There is much more than just "MP" when comparing cameras silly..
Go get educated, then come back
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Very true. Tons of megapixels really only help when you want to get huge prints. The two most important parts of a camera in my opinion are the image sensor and the lens, neither of which are going to be that great on any phone camera. I think the pictures the Evo takes are pretty good for a phone.
The evo camera isn't amazing... but if you need quality pictures, DON'T RELY ON YOUR PHONE. It's a ****ing phone! Get yourself a point and shoot or a DSLR.
Guys guys think about it phone cameras has came a long way from back in the early days. Soon these cameras will take the place of point and shoot. If you want better get DSLR. I have seen some great
Photos around the forum. The camera in this EVO are capable of taking great photos plus EVO has the processor to handle it more than what a point and shoot has. Soon cell phones will be getting dual cores. But until then it is this whack stock software that is processing the photos. Take the iPhone 5mp camera making the EVO picture look bad because they have a great camera software. Only if somebody can write a better camera app if I could code that would of been the first app I would of made. That and a better video conferencing app.
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Mecha2142 said:
Ok, two things to point out here
1. The Droid X and iPhone did not destroy the Evo in terms of camera. Camcorder wise yes, but not the camera itself. That's working just fine, and I haven't heard too many complaints about the camera itself. Most cell phone cameras at this level produce similar results.
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As someone who has owned and used both the iPhone 4 and the Evo (returned my iP4 for the Evo), I can confidently say that the iP4's camera does indeed destroy the one on the Evo. I love my Evo and wouldn't switch back if you paid me, but the cameras aren't even in the same league.
The Evo takes photos which are on-par with the smartphones we've all seen and used over the last few years. They're okay. You can put the pics up on your website, etc., but I wouldn't rely on the Evo for anything particularly important. The iP4's camera, on the other hand, is just amazing. It can hold its own against any of the typical $200 - $300 non-DSLR cameras on the market and, therefore, can effectively be your everyday, walking around camera.
The best summary I can give is that the Evo's camera is a good to okay camera -- for a cell phone. The iP4's camera is a very good camera -- period.
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Seriously, how can they call this an 8MP camera?
No matter what menu settings, location, lighting I choose MOST of the pics always come out looking like garbage. Really fuzzy.
No wonder Droid X and iPhone's camera destroyed this in the tests.
And the camcorder is another good joke from HTC. 720p video recording? Really? Total joke.
What kind of magical settings do you people use to make it look better?
Maybe I will hire a professional photographer/lighting specialist to follow me all over 24/7 just in case I need to take some decent pics with this damn thing.
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Are you judging the fuzzy picture at first glance? By that I mean preview after your shot or in gallery? Because sometimes the picture if you don't zoom in it can look really fuzzy and then when you zoom in a title bit it corrects the picture quality and be very clear. Also download them to your pc and see how they actually turn out. You might be surprised. I am an avid amateur photographer so I use DSLR to shoot pictures. In good light the camera and software combo isn't bad. It has horrible low light capability but then again its a phone camera. And as many people said a few tweak here and there with the software and it will make a big difference. I know when they tweaked the HTC HD2 phone I had it made a world of difference. I know it will happen on this phone too. We have to let some get past the linpacks and quadrant scores for a little while before cameras become the hot topic
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the pictures aren't the greatest but i have gotten some really good ones. I attached a few. People need to quit complaining though, it's a damn phone and the quality isn't half bad, if we can make it better then so be it but it's good as it is. These are from when i took my lil sisters to the zoo we were at the butterfly garden. I didn't edit these at all and they look even better on my phone
Its inferior to other devices so actually we should complain. Sure you can get nice shots but its anything but automatic.
I don't think it's that bad. Took this picture a month ago.
I agree on both sides here...the camera is pretty decent, but I do believe software improvements can and should be made.
Hasn't it been posted here that the camera manufacturer is the same as the ip4's?
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Seriously, how can they call this an 8MP camera?
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I really have to pick on this.
They can call it an 8MP camera because it IS an 8MP sensor that produces a photograph that contains 8 million pixels.
Cicatrize said:
I really have to pick on this.
They can call it an 8MP camera because it IS an 8MP sensor that produces a photograph that contains 8 million pixels.
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Exactly. I would have to say that's one of the reasons for the "megapixels aren't everything" argument. It's just a description of how many pixels the sensor can produce like you said.
If you have a bigger sensor (which is difficult in a cellphone camera obviously) like in a DSLR, you get bigger pixels. I freakin' love my new Canon Rebel T2i I just bought last week!
Hey guys,
I did a comparison with my 3yr old samsung innov8, which also has a 8mpixel camera. I have taken pics and found that my new Galaxy S2 camera extremely poor indoors compared to my Innov8. My Galaxy S2 camera seems to produce very poor detail, over sharpened and grainy images, unable to capture colours and lighting accurately. Old Innov8 is at least twice as much better!
I am wondering if I got a faulty device or is this considered to be normal? Everyone seems to be praising the camera quality, so I'm beginning to get a little worried. I would also appreciate if some of you could take low-light images, preferably in a room at night.
Finally, pictures I took, for your reference:
Samsung Galaxy S2
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Note: I took a few pictures around the room and picked the best one.
Samsung Innov8
imageshack.us/photo/my-images/687/innov82.jpg
imageshack.us/photo/my-images/64/innov8.jpg
As you can see, my old phone takes much cleaner pictures and colour is more accurate, albeit cold/blueish. It is overall better. Just to add on, it tends to have a slight pink tone in the center also.
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Mine isn't great indoors too very grainy, out doors im well impressed
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Have you tried adjusting the iso settings on the GS2?
See the metadata of your pics.
SGS is compromising on ISO to maintain better shutter speed by default. That picture is at ISO400. The Innovo 8 is at ISO 200.
Thats why there is so much noise in SGS pic.
If you prefer little under exposed pics and rather have images with less noise, just set your iso manually at 100 or 200 for indoor pics.
My camera is very grainy indoors too. Outside, it's fine.
I tried setting it at at lower ISO, but it's still very grainy.
I also have the pink blob in the middle... :S What's with that!?
Funkym0nkey said:
See the metadata of your pics.
SGS is compromising on ISO to maintain better shutter speed by default. That picture is at ISO400. The Innovo 8 is at ISO 200.
Thats why there is so much noise in SGS pic.
If you prefer little under exposed pics and rather have images with less noise, just set your iso manually at 100 or 200 for indoor pics.
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Yes i did notice that. I tried to set it on ISO 100 and ISO 200 as well. Slightly better, but no where as good as my Innov8. I have been trying all sort of test this past 2 days.
you cant compare one of the best mobile camera phones with sgs s 2...i have i8510 (im writing this post from Innov8 and i had also i8910 and what i can say is that the quality of optics,camera chip is bigger - even i8910 is noisy looser with much less detailed photos with compar. to i8510...so try to compare with nowadays smartphones not i8510 or N86 etc. Just look at my thread about sgs s 2 photos and be glad it can do such a good photos...
haha yeah i guess so.. huge difference huh. kinda heart breaking oh well. just glad to know that my device isn't a faulty one
amukilla said:
Hey guys,
I did a comparison with my 3yr old samsung innov8, which also has a 8mpixel camera. I have taken pics and found that my new Galaxy S2 camera extremely poor indoors compared to my Innov8. My Galaxy S2 camera seems to produce very poor detail, over sharpened and grainy images, unable to capture colours and lighting accurately. Old Innov8 is at least twice as much better!
I am wondering if I got a faulty device or is this considered to be normal? Everyone seems to be praising the camera quality, so I'm beginning to get a little worried. I would also appreciate if some of you could take low-light images, preferably in a room at night.
Finally, pictures I took, for your reference:
Samsung Galaxy S2
imageshack.us/photo/my-images/810/galaxys2e.jpg
Note: I took a few pictures around the room and picked the best one.
Samsung Innov8
imageshack.us/photo/my-images/687/innov82.jpg
imageshack.us/photo/my-images/64/innov8.jpg
As you can see, my old phone takes much cleaner pictures and colour is more accurate, albeit cold/blueish. It is overall better. Just to add on, it tends to have a slight pink tone in the center also.
Camera firmware is OCED10.
Baseband - XXKDH
Kernal - XWKDD
Build - XWKDD
Thanks and Cheers!
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you can choose night mode, the sgs2 are using ISO400, 1/17s (more faster shutter speed but with higher ISO), but the Innov8 is using ISO200, 1/8s (very slow shutter speed but lower ISO) ---> see the Innov8 is too much of noise reduction has been apply on the photo and cause the detail losed a lot + handshake due to slow shutter speed.
SGS2 also can get as Innov8 result as long as you choose night mode or manually reduce ISO to 200 but remember, you will get slower shutter speed.
I do wish people would stop chelping about the camera, if you want professional results get a professional camera, this camera is perfectly acceptable in good light conditions.
Agreed. This is not a system camera. However, it's argubly the best phone camera device on the market, so everything depends on what to compare it with. Personally, I'm pretty amazed about what it can muster.
stoolzo said:
I do wish people would stop chelping about the camera, if you want professional results get a professional camera, this camera is perfectly acceptable in good light conditions.
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to be honest i'd like to have a pro-like quality out of the phone, because while we're not making actual pro-pictures, its one thing less to carry around if the quality is good.
in some cases it actually is on the SGS2
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I do wish people would stop chelping about the camera, if you want professional results get a professional camera, this camera is perfectly acceptable in good light conditions.
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Not only that. I have at all times a professional photographer in my entourage.
How does it compare to the SGS? How will it compare to the Sensation? Those are probably two good benchmarks.
The fact that the phone is able to take pictures of this magnitude, especially considering how light and thin it is, is itself amazing. Its not really possible with today's technology to squeeze larger sensors and keep the thickness down.
This guy here(who is a professional photographer) says the camera is 'very good' and looking at the pictures I think so too.
So I really think you people should stop complaining and enjoy what the phone has to offer without being so uptight about every minute problem.
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Agreed. This is not a system camera. However, it's argubly the best phone camera device on the market, so everything depends on what to compare it with. Personally, I'm pretty amazed about what it can muster.
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It is nowhere near as being the best camera phone. My gf has a Nokia N8 and you cannot believe the pictures she is able to produce with her phone. Will make this weekend a side by side comparison, with pictures of the same thing taken at the same time using both phones... I know N8 will win, just curious how much ahead it is ( and will use it at 8MP and not 12 MP to be fair ).
On another note, the indoor pics are crappy, but to be expected ( high MP count in a tiny sensor = noise ). Outdoor pics look very well indeed, even at full size they are ok. For me, not enough to replace a dedicated camera, but more than enough for the occasional picture and movie ( movies look excellent outside too ). I should mention that the N8 performs like a compact dedicated camera, so that sensor would be enough for most vacations.
Overall, given the fact that it is a phone afterall, I am more than pleased with the camera quality.
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It is nowhere near as being the best camera phone. My gf has a Nokia N8 and you cannot believe the pictures she is able to produce with her phone. Will make this weekend a side by side comparison, with pictures of the same thing taken at the same time using both phones... I know N8 will win, just curious how much ahead it is ( and will use it at 8MP and not 12 MP to be fair ).
On another note, the indoor pics are crappy, but to be expected ( high MP count in a tiny sensor = noise ). Outdoor pics look very well indeed, even at full size they are ok. For me, not enough to replace a dedicated camera, but more than enough for the occasional picture and movie ( movies look excellent outside too ). I should mention that the N8 performs like a compact dedicated camera, so that sensor would be enough for most vacations.
Overall, given the fact that it is a phone afterall, I am more than pleased with the camera quality.
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Let's make a comparison SGS2 vs n8
Azra2k said:
It is nowhere near as being the best camera phone. My gf has a Nokia N8 and you cannot believe the pictures she is able to produce with her phone. Will make this weekend a side by side comparison, with pictures of the same thing taken at the same time using both phones... I know N8 will win, just curious how much ahead it is ( and will use it at 8MP and not 12 MP to be fair ).
On another note, the indoor pics are crappy, but to be expected ( high MP count in a tiny sensor = noise ). Outdoor pics look very well indeed, even at full size they are ok. For me, not enough to replace a dedicated camera, but more than enough for the occasional picture and movie ( movies look excellent outside too ). I should mention that the N8 performs like a compact dedicated camera, so that sensor would be enough for most vacations.
Overall, given the fact that it is a phone afterall, I am more than pleased with the camera quality.
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cool! i wanted to see such a test. even at 12MP in fact. We all know the N8 is going to win, but i'd like to see by how much.
I had a N95 in the past and it replaced my camera. I have a SGS right now (and a SGS2 tomorrow or so lol) and it is not as good in most conditions. It's probably because the lens is really much better and bigger on the N95 (and on the N8, and on most Nokias in fact..)
I almost went for the N8 just for that, but tbh, Symbian is a pain and the browser is really bad
Looking forward to the N8 comparison as well!
to be fair the N8's camera is very good but as a an overall package its **** compared to the S2.
Yes, we would all like to get close to pro results out of it but it isnt going to happen with such a small sensor / lens
It should also be noted that a good photo, a good camera does not necessarily make.
Ok as we know current crop of Smartphone camera's are pretty good, still not as good as a decent point & shoot, but the gap is getting smaller.
What we need to totally replace point & shoot's in the future is better optics & sensors.
The sensor in current smartphones is basically tiny, in the future they need to find way to fit a bigger sensor's & improve the optics while keep the phone slim at the same time.
Sony seem to be leading the way on sensor technology atm, as alot of camera and smartphone makers are using these, and i've no doubt the sensor tech will get even better in the future.
Nokia seem to be on the right track with the 808, using a big sensor and adding 41mp to use as a zoom so basically to zoom into a picture you just crop, not as effective as an optical zoom, but zillion times better than using digital zoom, plus when then 808 is using just 12mp it better than any current smartphone out picture quality wise, also they are planning on using that same sensor in some of it's Lumia range of phones proberly sometime next year which would be intresting to see if they can keep the phone slim aswell.
Another problem seem to be with megapixels, luckily Samsung have been smart this year and kept it to 8mp instead of ramping it upto 12mp like most of thought they would, because this would have actually made the camera worst "noise wise" than what it currently is now, basically because the Backlit Sensor they using in the Galaxy S3 isn't that much better than what was used in the Galaxy S2 which didn't have one, so making it 12mp would have proberly been a disaster.
Soon we have the iphone 5 on the market & i reckon this will proberly have a better camera than the current crop of top end smartphone's, as Apple did a pretty good job with the camera on the iphone 4S.
So rather than ramble on, what would you like to see camera tech wise on your smartphone?
ixon2001 said:
Ok as we know current crop of Smartphone camera's are pretty good, still not as good as a decent point & shoot, but the gap is getting smaller.
What we need to totally replace point & shoot's in the future is better optics & sensors.
The sensor in current smartphones is basically tiny, in the future they need to find way to fit a bigger sensor's & improve the optics while keep the phone slim at the same time.
Sony seem to be leading the way on sensor technology atm, as alot of camera and smartphone makers are using these, and i've no doubt the sensor tech will get even better in the future.
Nokia seem to be on the right track with the 808, using a big sensor and adding 41mp to use as a zoom so basically to zoom into a picture you just crop, not as effective as an optical zoom, but zillion times better than using digital zoom, plus when then 808 is using just 12mp it better than any current smartphone out picture quality wise, also they are planning on using that same sensor in some of it's Lumia range of phones proberly sometime next year which would be intresting to see if they can keep the phone slim aswell.
Another problem seem to be with megapixels, luckily Samsung have been smart this year and kept it to 8mp instead of ramping it upto 12mp like most of thought they would, because this would have actually made the camera worst "noise wise" than what it currently is now, basically because the Backlit Sensor they using in the Galaxy S3 isn't that much better than what was used in the Galaxy S2 which didn't have one, so making it 12mp would have proberly been a disaster.
Soon we have the iphone 5 on the market & i reckon this will proberly have a better camera than the current crop of top end smartphone's, as Apple did a pretty good job with the camera on the iphone 4S.
So rather than ramble on, what would you like to see camera tech wise on your smartphone?
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quite a few good points you have mentioned, you definitely know a bit about photograph since you mentioned the density of pixels on sensors...In my opinion, 8MP is enough for the average creative shot, snapshot, instragam, Facebook...furthermore, Im pretty adamint that the SGS3 camera is slightly better than my Fujifilm JV200...haha...but then again, the quality and noise level is quite similar to my SGS2...I honestly believe that as far as sensors this size, the limitations are achieved...the rest is up to effective post processing or basically increasing size of sensor/lens such as the Nokia 808...while the iPhone5 looks to be a 12MP, I doubt there will be radical advantages over the SGS3...as it surely wont be overwhelming as the Nokia 808...if you're real keen for a good shoot...take my Nikon dSLR.
camera's what?
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camera's what?
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