I’m thinking about buying a cingular 8525 phone, but I am currently under the old ATT network and have the a ATT sim card. I have not switched my service to cingular. If the phone is unlocked will the 3G service work with the old ATT sim card? I spoke with a cingular/ATT customer service agent today and they said I need to have the new upgrade cingular 3G sim card for this service. Does anyone have an old ATT sim that works with the 3G service? Thanks
YOU NEED to migrate over to cingular at&t doesen't work on 3g it works on 1900 mhz thats why your service sucks in doors . cingular will make you sign on a 2 year contract and you WILL NOT be able to keep your same plan, but the service is so much better on Cingular
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YOU NEED to migrate over to cingular at&t doesen't work on 3g it works on 1900 mhz thats why your service sucks in doors . cingular will make you sign on a 2 year contract and you WILL NOT be able to keep your same plan, but the service is so much better on Cingular
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I can't address whether or not a blue sim will work on 3G, but it stands to reason that it won't. However, if you're saying that AWS only works on 1900 MHz, I have to disagree. I have used blue sims in several phones, including an 8125 that was unlocked, and know by the buzzing interference they cause, confirmed by the test mode on a couple of Nokias and the 8125, that they worked on 850 MHz when it was available.
Be that as it may, I just got an orange-sim'ed 8525 a few days ago and am very impressed with the increased receive sensitivity and audio quality. I'm looking forward to trying it in a 2G area, but I'll have to travel a bit to do that - I live in a GSM-only service area.
(What color are the NEW sims going to be? Light blue? )
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I’m thinking about buying a cingular 8525 phone, but I am currently under the old ATT network and have the a ATT sim card. I have not switched my service to cingular. If the phone is unlocked will the 3G service work with the old ATT sim card? I spoke with a cingular/ATT customer service agent today and they said I need to have the new upgrade cingular 3G sim card for this service. Does anyone have an old ATT sim that works with the 3G service? Thanks
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To directly answer your question, I have a TyTn with a old AT&T wireless SIM and it works fine with 3G on Cingular. So the answer is you don't need a new SIM for it to work. But you might run into the same problem I did. I previously had an 8525, bought just before xmas. I tried to unlock it with the free program offered here and was unsuccessful. It seemed like it was radio locked like the new Softbank X01HTs and I don't think there's a solution for that yet, or coming anytime soon. I ended up just returning the 8525 and buying an unlocked TyTn. It might have just been my bad luck with that one particular 8525, or it might be that Cingular is now selling all of them radio locked like the X01HT to prevent them from being SIM unlocked. I have no idea which case is true. Just a warning of what you might be in for if you don't buy an already unlocked 8525 or a TyTn.
As I understood Cingular is now AT&T again starting Monday. Should help with compatibility, right ?
I spoke to another Cingular/ATT agent last night about 3G service with the ATT sim. They said that it might work, but would work better with a Cingular sim. It depended if the old ATT towers had the 3G service installed on them. It sounded to me like they were guessing. I have a great ATT plan so I do not want to switch over to Cingular. Currently I have a I-mate K-jam with an ATT sim card and it works great with the Edge. On the subject of the TyTn I looked in to buying one, but if it breaks I have to ship it to Wales for warranty work according to HTC. I live in the U.S. So I was thinking about a JasJam or 8525. Thanks for your help
My Tytn works on 3G with the old school AT&T sim. I can't really speak on the reliability because i was only in a 3G area for a brief enough moment to test it.
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I previously had an 8525, bought just before xmas. I tried to unlock it with the free program offered here and was unsuccessful.
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Just call Cingular and ask them for the unlock code. They had no issues giving me the unlock code. Unlocked just fine.
Thanks for the info.. Seems like the customer service people are just trying to make me switch to Cingular.
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Just call Cingular and ask them for the unlock code. They had no issues giving me the unlock code. Unlocked just fine.
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I tried that twice, maybe I was just unlucky again but they wouldn't give me the code either time. Doesn't matter now that I have a TyTn though.
My boss just go the unlock code from cingular by saying that he travels to other countries a lot. They made him wait like 2 days and they emailed it to him.
Ok, One person says it does not work, one says it does. Does anyone else have any experience with this? Just would like to know for sure before I go out and buy it.
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It does work for me just fine with white ATTW sim card. No problems whatsoever.
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Ok, One person says it does not work, one says it does. Does anyone else have any experience with this? Just would like to know for sure before I go out and buy it.
Thanks
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I am using unlimited Mmode plan ($24.99) with a Blue ATT SIM older than the white SIM and it works with no problems.
The new sim has more storage space on it.
That is all I know.
I'd really like to figure out what else is different as well.
Same here. Getting UTMS/3G connection (comfirmed with 128k stream from radioio) with blue AT&T sim on a 24.99 unlimited mmode plan. HTC branded TyTN from egadgetdepot. What's more, my EDGE throughput is noticably higher than on my Treo 650.
Thanks for your help.
Some of you still have the 24.99 internet plan for smart phone. I think I pay something like 45.99 a month for my K-Jam. I had the 24.99 plan but they made me change it because I told them I had a K-Jam. I needed help configuring my K-Jam. The tech person told me I had the wrong plan and I would be charge a lot of money for have the wrong plan. Thats how they found out and I was unsure at the time so I just when with it.
Again, thanks for your help.
I heard there was an Audit department which would find out..
I argued about the plan change myself for over an hour with them.
I had a PDA phone before and I did not have to switch..
I still got full internet and they didn't know JACK!
Anyway.. I got a credit of 20 bucks a month for 1 year..
So I am paying the same for unlimited except now I need to pay for Text Messages..
After the year is up I'll probably change the service again to something else..
They also were try sell a plan for my notebook computer for 70 bucks a month. Since then I have used my pda a modem and had no extra charges
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Hey guys.
I'm just about up for an upgrade with O2 from my XDAs (which I adore, even though I use like 10% of its capabilities!!) but the problem is that I'm living in the US now. So, I really want the Exec, as it'll save me lugging a laptop about, but am worried that it'll get uber expensive to run here, due to crazy roaming costs.
I'm thinking about changing my tarrif over to a "Data Only" with 5mb per month, at some 8 Pounds a month, but am I right in saying that as soon as I log on to GPRS in the US that I'll be charged "Roaming" fees and that my 5mb will go untouched? If so, is there anyway to get around this, as I like the look and the functionality of the Exec, but don't really have a desire to fork out $1000 for one! Are there going to be any compatability issues in using a UK handset as a main device in the US? Are O2 going to let me swop from my 200 Minutes plan to an Online plan that costs just 8 Pounds? Are there any requirements to being a "Business User"? I've Emailed O2, but to say that they were unhelpful is a huge understatement and then some!!
Lastly: can I play Java games on it/my XDA? Whenever I go to an onlione store with Java games, all of the handsets I see are Motorola and Nokia, etc, and never an XDA. I'm asuming that it must be able to play them, but does anyone have any comments or tips on the process? Thanks guys.
Why dont you just use a sim card from the US depending on where you go you can just buy a sim card if your phone is unlocked hope that help
Hmm. Okay, I think that that would make sense (tbh, I hadn't thought of that!). Okay, is the Exec unlockable? If so, how does one go about it? IE: is it an easy process?
The Exec should already be unlocked: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=30330
yes all execs are unlocked. I have a spare one if you are willing to buy.
Hi GadgetGirl: thanks for the tip and link. I'll check it out.
Zillocx: thanks man, but I already have a line on one. Thanks for the offer though.
Teflon,
be sure to consider a T-Mobile USA SIM since T-Mobile uses GSM 1900 only which is the only US band that the Exec supports. Cingular uses GSM 850/1900 in most major US markets so you'd experience inconsistent since the Exec doesn't have GSM 850. T-Mobile USA is also the best US GSM network to use for data. They have unlimited data plans if you sign a contract with them. If I recall correctly, the unlimited plans run between $19.99 and $49.99 (Unlimited Internet Plan) per month.
http://www.t-mobile.com/services/webandinfo.asp (T-Zones Mobile Web Plan, $5.99/month)
http://www.t-mobile.com/plans/default.asp?tab=internet
I use a universal (Jasjar) and I live in the US, so I can tell you that it's definitely worthwhile I can also give you a bit of advice about a service provider...
Your two options for GSM providers are T-Mobile and Cingular. Like Triband said, T-Mobile only uses 1900MHz, so you know you'll get a signal as long as T-Mobile has coverage there. Cingular uses both 850MHz and 1900MHz, so you can run into some issues with Cingular. Generally, however, in the cities and more populated areas Cingular will have 1900MHz coverage while rural areas are more likely to be 850MHz only. Overall Cingular has better coverage then T-Mobile, but unfortunately there are no maps or anything available to consumers that show where they have 1900MHz coverage and where it is only 850MHz. I'm using Cingular with my Jasjar and I've had very few coverage problems.
Prepaid service in the US is considerably more than it would be with a contract, so if you're going to be in the US for a while, or you will be using your phone a lot you might not want to go prepaid (although I'm sure its much less than international roaming). Here Cingular has an advantage because they'll let you sign a month to month contract where you can cancel whenever you want. With T-Mobile you must sign a contract for a full year.
Please let me know if you have any other questions
Brett
Hi BrettS, where did you bought the Jasjar?
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Hi BrettS, where did you bought the Jasjar?
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I got mine from Expansys USA http://www.expansys-usa.com/
Brett
Hey guys,
Well, I just got married, so I'll be living in the US on a permanent basis. I'm towards the East Coast (New Haven, to be exact). My wife is American, and she's with Cingular, so that may be the way to go as calls between us would be free, from what she tells me. I'll do some detailed research into it, although further comments would be appreciated. I'll check out those links too. Now, if I can just get O2 to stop being such asses I'll be a happy man!!
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I got mine from Expansys USA http://www.expansys-usa.com/
Brett
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Do they have warranty on it or does I-mate honor the warranty no matter where you bought the unit? I saw that the I-mate Phone store has it too for 1200 USD. Why did you not bought it from them and opted for expansysUSA?
cktlcmd,
I have a Jasjar as well and I also got it from expansys. I use expansys because I purchased the previous two devices (XDA, I-mate PocketPC Phone ) from them. During my purchase of the Pocket PC phone, I original got the Qtek 2020 and I was not happy. They took it back and sent me the I-mate version without any issues. Overall all accessories and devices purchased from them have been a good experience. In all cases they did honor their 15 days policies if the product did not perform as expected.
Teflon, I am using Cingular and they seems to have the best coverage for GSM in the US. I am located in the East Coast.
My boss bought a Treo 650 and I showed him how to put the SIM in. I noticed his signal strength had 5 bars. He wanted to see if it was unlocked so I put in my Tmobile SIM. When I turned it on, he had 2 bars. I kept it on and moved it around a bit and it moved between 1 and 2 bars. Confused, I put his Cingular SIM back in and up popped 5 bars...sometimes 4, but mostly 5.
Now, does it make any sense that my Tmobile SIM would cause his phone to have less strength than his Cingular SIM?? Or was this just some type of flook?? His Treo is Cingular branded...if that matters, but his SIM is left over from AT&T days.
His phone is a branded, unlocked Cingular. Mine is an unlocked i-Mate K-Jam.
Anyone with any thoughts?
Tom
Well if your in America. Sad to say the T-Mobile is smallest in coverage in area, and members. So the area you in might not have as much as Cingular. In america, Cingular, Verizon, and Sprint has the best coverage.
BTW, want to now how to get a promotion, introduce him to Windows Pocket PC's.
First, giving him a WM5 product is not going to get me a promo. He'll have such a tough time using it he'll get mad at me for recommending it. Believe me....I've thought about that as I have a K-Jam and love the heck out of it. Some people need the simple things.
Regarding Tmobile, I switched from Verizon to Tmo about 6 years ago when I started traveling to Europe several times a year. Initially the service sucked, but over the past 2 or 3 years I've had 0 problems with it. I travel around the country and internationally and I have to say that I'm pretty happy with it. I'm sure it's a "your mileage may vary" situation. Matter of fact, I don't know anyone who complains about their service regardless of who it is.
That being said, even if Tmo sucked majorly, that wouldn't explain why my SIM would cause him to get weaker reception than his AT&T SIM. Keep in mind, I'm using the same Treo with 2 different SIMs and get 2 different readings.
Thanks,
Tom
I have heard from some post over at Howard Forums that the Cingular 64k SIM's get better reception than the AT&T 32k SIM's.
I migrated over from an AT&T SIM to a Cingular one and noticed that my reception improved a signifigant amount. So there may be something to do with how the SIM's are designed.
Well, I'm going to run down to the Tmobile store today and see if I can't pickup another SIM. I'm pretty interested in seeing what happens.
Tom
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I have heard from some post over at Howard Forums that the Cingular 64k SIM's get better reception than the AT&T 32k SIM's.
I migrated over from an AT&T SIM to a Cingular one and noticed that my reception improved a signifigant amount. So there may be something to do with how the SIM's are designed.
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of course it did
Your phone went from sticking to AT&T towers to Cingular towers.
OP: I doubt a new SIM from TMobile will help you. Chances are TMobile coverage in your area, as most, isn't good.
SIMs and Signal Strength
The reason a sim can dictate the signal strength is the sim has a certain amount of programming on it that tells the phone and its receiver about the services on the network. Have you ever seen a text message with "OTA OK" ? That's an Over The Air update to the sim updating things such as service pointers and things to make it easier for the phone to use the services on the network and find towers easier and quicker. You can have a sim go bad and not be able to take an update causing alot of problems or very little but noticeable problems like not receiving SMS or sending MMS. It's a modular network built on a lot of small pieces and all of them have to work together to make the services work correctly.
Sorry for the diatribe.....
I'll go back to my corner now.....
hey guys, i might be buying an 8525 soon, and i'm just wondering two things:
1- does cingular unlock it for me (my wife uses cingular, and was just gonna get her to call in and unlock it for me), otherwise, what reputable place to you guys advise?
2- once i'm on tmobile, will i have 3G speeds? will the internet work if i have an internet plan?
3- also the guy is asking for 280, he says barely used for a month, what do u think about that?
thanks for all ur help!!
omar
I think you should buy one from Cingular for 199 bucks.. if your wife is eligible for an upgrade it would cost you 217 bucks for a refurbished 8525 <I paid 99 bucks for mine, before they realized it was too cheap>
Cingular will only unlock it if you are going out of the country for an extended period of time, or if you are not currently under contract with them.. I think the initial 2 years of the contract has to have been expired..
The 3G thing, I'm not sure..
hey, i went online and the 8525 is 299 with a 2 yr contract. i dunno if my wife is elgible for an upgrade, i'll call and ask, but even then, i'd prefer to pay less to get it without extending her contract for 2 yrs..
and i'll just tell cingular i'm going out of teh country...
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hey guys, i might be buying an 8525 soon, and i'm just wondering two things:
1- does cingular unlock it for me (my wife uses cingular, and was just gonna get her to call in and unlock it for me), otherwise, what reputable place to you guys advise?
2- once i'm on tmobile, will i have 3G speeds? will the internet work if i have an internet plan?
3- also the guy is asking for 280, he says barely used for a month, what do u think about that?
thanks for all ur help!!
omar
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1. If you buy it, you can follow the instructions on this site to unlock it, here.
2. T-Mobile is currently upgrading their network to support 3G speeds. If you have an internet plan... OF COURSE THE INTERNET WILL WORK!
3. $280 is a really good price, I'd take it. Madcap mentioned $199, but that's only if you get a new plan with ATT or renew your current one (which you will be doing neither).
Good luck!
Yeah, true, I had to add a new line.. and now I just looked they dont even have refurbished 8525's anymore.. when they were selling for 99 bucks everyone must have bought them.. lol..
Taurus, ur 8125 and 8525 really get stolen?
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Taurus, ur 8125 and 8525 really get stolen?
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Yeah, they sure did. I'm pretty bummed about it.
you'll only get EDGE speed, not 3G and even when Tmobile releases its 3G service, the 8525 doesn't have the right radio or whatever to get that (tmobile's 3g will use 1700)
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you'll only get EDGE speed, not 3G and even when Tmobile releases its 3G service, the 8525 doesn't have the right radio or whatever to get that (tmobile's 3g will use 1700)
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i was just going to post that
How the heck did they BOTH get stolen? You get broken into or something? wow.. Are you getting them replaced?
Unlocking the 8125 and 8525 is trivial, as others have mentioned. You don't need to contact AT&T to do it, and likely anyone you talk to in their customer service department will have no idea what you're talking about....
I have an older 8125 that I unlocked and am using it with TMobile now. I'm still using the Cingular ROM on it, too, and everything works on it. I just had to go into all of the telephone options and click on "Get Settings" for every option to retrieve the proper settings for TMobile. However, I didn't provision it with a data plan, I just use WiFi with it.
You can probably live without 3G, as I'm sure you've discovered by now that internet browsing really sucks on these things, and email doesn't require much bandwidth.
im really excited that 3G finally is coming to T-Mobile.
but at the same time, im curious and anxious if my 8525 will run on T-Mob's..
reading the posts above, 8525 will never get the 1700 Mhz signal, but I read around that T-Mob also bought the 2100 Mhz spectrum, and doesnt 8525 has the radio to jump on to that bandwith too right?
i thought i asked you guys who might know a few more things than i do..
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im really excited that 3G finally is coming to T-Mobile.but at the same time, im curious and anxious if my 8525 will run on T-Mob's..reading the posts above, 8525 will never get the 1700 Mhz signal, but I read around that T-Mob also bought the 2100 Mhz spectrum, and doesnt 8525 has the radio to jump on to that bandwith too right?i thought i asked you guys who might know a few more things than i do..
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unfortunately, it doesn't look like it will work without 1700: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2476498
awww crap..
but why is that though?
i mean, why do they need 1700 Mhz AND 2100 Mhz freq to operate..?
Hi all,
I bought a shiny new HTC Trinity and put my Orange contract SIM card into it. It didn't seem to come up with 3G connection anywhere I was using it. I read on the forums that you have to sometimes get 3G enabled by your service provider.
So, I phoned Orange and he told me a I need a new 3G SIM card. I said that's fine but he said that I wasn't allowed to have one because my previous phone (the one which I had bought with the Orange contract) was not a 3G phone. I wasn't even allowed to buy a new 3G SIM card either.
I said that I would leave Orange (although this was an empty threat cos I still have 6 of my 18 months of contract left) and he said that there was nothing he could do.
Has anyone else had a similar situation to this? Is there anything I can do? Do I definitely need a 3G SIM card to get 3G on my phone?
Thanks in advance
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Do I definitely need a 3G SIM card to get 3G on my phone?
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Unfortunately yes, this is the case.
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Is there anything I can do?
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So you have 6 months left of an 18 mth contract.......hmmmm........Do you want to stay with Orange? if so and you monthly spend is above £35.00 then you should be able to upgrade for free ( free phone and no upgrade fee) especially if you agree to another 18 month.
That's the thing. I want to move to T-Mobile I think. Their data plan seems so much better than any other provider. Thanks for your advice though
sounds pretty crazy business to refuse to sell a customer a product
Ah OK, I dont blame you for moving - though I dont think to much of t-mobile customer services, but there data plans are great.
I dont really notice that much diffrence in speed though between 2.5 and 3G anyway.
If you do want to move to t-mobile rather go for one of the business tariff's. This way you get similar bundles/deals, but get a dedicated customer service rep, free insureance and voicemail, and easy upgrades.
Hello guys I have been a HTC guy since I got my very first TIlt, then my FUZE, and my PURE. All of these phone were ATT branded, and I used the 10/month medianet plan.
They are now catching on and have changed my plan to the 30/month one. I do not like this since I do not really use the web. So I did some research and need your help.
I know if I get a T-Mobile branded one I wont get 3G, butt what if I get a non branded HD2, would I get 3G then?
If I were to get a T-Mobile or a non branded HD2 would ATT still change my medianet plan to a PDA plan? I know they are doing this with non branded Nexus 1 phones but I am unsure about HD2.
If you have this with ATT tell me how you use it, do you have 3G, what web plan do you or if you do not.
Thanks, I hope on buying one of these soon.
well i'm a att guy... but.. i'm going over to t-mobile.. due to this phone... cheers
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well i'm a att guy... but.. i'm going over to t-mobile.. due to this phone... cheers
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I know what you mean dawg but T-mobile has poor service in my area, they only offer edge.
I am switching to T-Mobile for the HD2, and the cheaper prices, Las Vegas has a big blanket of 3G from all carriers, at&t has been sucky lately due to the iPhone.
Even though they where my first carrier(Original at&t), they wont be my last. I cant wait to go Magenta.
As for your situation, you might have to settle for the retail price then just unlock it, since the service on edge for at&t rather than on T-Mobile.
i have it on AT&T i get 3G speeds in san diego just fine works great. my version is the australian version from telstra.
been using the european version with at&t and edge speeds are fine (have access to wifi at work and home). i have been paying for the $10 data plan since October/November with no problems. At&t website lists the phone i am using as other after i had selected an old motorola razor i was using previously. So i am not sure how they detected and switched you over to their smartphone plan.
You'll need the Australian Telstra version to get ATT 3g. It costs like $800 for imported versions though.
I have been using my Euro version HD2 since Dec with ATT. Have been paying $10/month for data. Just signed another 2 yr contract with the Nazi's (yea, I know) and got a free Blackberry. When I registered the Blackberry.....or activated it with the new sim ATT had in it, I got a text saying I needed to pay for the $30 data plan. Long story short......I told them I wont be using the new phone, I will be using my HD2 that I have been using. Gave them the IMEI and they said that it was not considered a smart phone. They are such geniuses! Even though it is EDGE, I am quite happy with it.
I also called the next day and explained how I travel international a lot, and asked to get the unlock code for the new Blackberry. Had the code the next day, unlocked it, so I guess I will sell it and try to recoup what I am going pay over the next 2 years!
Been using my European HD2 since they first came out, on AT&T.
Works just fine.
They found out because, chances are, your phone is not SIM unlock...or you somehow stupidly give them your IMEI number. If you want to get back on the old $10/$15 medianet plan, call them up and tell them that you're using some old phone (like a razr) and would like to get out of the PDA/smartphone data plan.
I'm on AT&T ($15 medianet) and I would never think about jumping to a worser carrier/service over a phone. That's retarded.
^^ how about for a free phone bill??
as i said i'm att right now.. but i spend about 130 a month which is frickin insane... as a student.. my father offered me one of his lines that he has open anyways (kept open in case one of his clients needed a temp phone or service) and because he's already paying for it regardless.. i get it free of charge.. which in my opinion totally rocks... PLUS i get the HD2 which makes the situation even better....
but no, personally i rather keep att... the call quality and reception is just so good everywhere... i never drop calls.. nor does my antenna recieve less then full bars... and i have done my fair share of research.. and t-mobile's reception is kinda bad... and in my apartment complex.. (my sis has tmobile) i'll probably manage about 2-3 bars... yea.. totally sucks.... but as i said before.. free phone bill...cheers
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They found out because, chances are, your phone is not SIM unlock...or you somehow stupidly give them your IMEI number. If you want to get back on the old $10/$15 medianet plan, call them up and tell them that you're using some old phone (like a razr) and would like to get out of the PDA/smartphone data plan.
I'm on AT&T ($15 medianet) and I would never think about jumping to a worser carrier/service over a phone. That's retarded.
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I called them up and gave them a IMEI from a LG shine I had. I never told them I had a pda. The reason they knew I was on a pure was because the pure I had was branded by ATT.
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I called them up and gave them a IMEI from a LG shine I had. I never told them I had a pda. The reason they knew I was on a pure was because the pure I had was branded by ATT.
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Like i said, it's probably because the pure wasn't sim unlocked since it's AT&T branded (meaning that they already have the IMEI for that particular phone). I always keep a few unlocked dumbphones around (samsung x820 and samsung u600) just in case I run into situation like this...
AT&T service in Northern Chicagoland area simply sucks. I have AT&T phone from work and use T-Mobile as my personal phone service carrier - cannot compare at all. AT&T 3G appears to be somehwat faster (in miliseconds) but no drastic speed difference between the two.
Where do people recommend buying a Telstra HD2 and having it shipped to the U.S.?
Thx
I tried the TMO HD2 today and Tmo's signal sucks in my area.
I have a telsa hd2 and i use it on att and i get 3g coverage. it works fine. the only i dont like is i cant access the media mall that att users use to download games and apps.