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Hi all,
I am just wondering is the Live Messenger on T-Mobile UK blocked?
What it is, I just upgraded to the latest LVSW WM6 release from original T-Mobile WM5, and also installed the final Live Messenger cabs (from Black 3.0.1).
When I try to use sign in, it says there is a problem with my internet connection and won't connect. But it does trigger to GPRS connection, and also my IE and other programs can connect to the internet correctly.
So, I am wondering is Live Messenger blocked? Or is it a problem with my settings/installation?
Thanks.
wywywywy said:
Hi all,
I am just wondering is the Live Messenger on T-Mobile UK blocked?
What it is, I just upgraded to the latest LVSW WM6 release from original T-Mobile WM5, and also installed the final Live Messenger cabs (from Black 3.0.1).
When I try to use sign in, it says there is a problem with my internet connection and won't connect. But it does trigger to GPRS connection, and also my IE and other programs can connect to the internet correctly.
So, I am wondering is Live Messenger blocked? Or is it a problem with my settings/installation?
Thanks.
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Im thinking yes, since i cannot connect to IRC over tmobile either.
still working
I'm using live messenger with faria rom and i just tried it and still working
Below is T-Mobiles small print for their web'n'walk service, taken from this link:- http://www.powerupmobile.com/info-WebnWalk.htm
Subject to connection to Flext + web'n'walk. Minimum term contract and credit check apply. **Compatible handset required. Subject to coverage. Provides unlimited browsing on mobile handsets in the UK. Not applicable to connection via CSD. To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers a fair use policy applies. T-Mobile defines fair use as total UK data (both sent and received) of up to 1GB per month. T-Mobile may contact customers who exceed 1GB of data and ask them to reduce their usage. If data usage is not reduced, notice may be given, after which network protection controls may be applied. Not to be used for other activities (including but not limited to) : modem access for computers, internet based video/audio streaming services, peer to peer file sharing, internet based video downloads, internet phone calls and instant messaging. If such use is detected, notice may be given after which network protection controls may be applied. The application of network protection controls will result in a reduced speed of transmission.
Yea I think we are well-aware of this.
But you need to actually sign in to Messenger to check your Hotmail account!
And they never used to block it, although I had tried for 2 weeks until now.
I'm assuming T-Mobile are cracking down on "misuse" because I used to be able to use VoIP (SIP based) but it is now blocked. :-(
Im on WnW and can connect to live messenger fine, no problems.
Imp
Impossible said:
Im on WnW and can connect to live messenger fine, no problems.
Imp
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What GPRS settings do you use?
And is it the £7.50 WnW or the more expensive one?
If they are blocking Live Messenger then I'm very happy I didn't change to T-Mobile! Sounds like it's a bit of a con to me.
Yea but what else can you have with unlimited usage?
Think we need to find a way to run it off port 80 like the desktop version can do.
To be honest I get 16Mb with Orange for £4 which doesn't have any restrictions on it. It nearly always lasts me a month.
can anyone confirm this is the case at the moment as i am unable to test...
Would be intersting to know exactly what their attitude towards this is..
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Looking at this forum:
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60741
it would seem that T-Mobile are cracking down on their T&C. I'm on WnW Plus and all seems to be working for me (I can still log on to Live and send messages). I haven't got around to installing Skype since flashing Black Dymond but shall probably give it a go tomorrow to see if that still works.
I'm not positive, but I think this isn't a problem with your carrier. I'm having this same problem with my Wizard. However, it only happens when I flash certain cooked ROMs. I'm trying to connect over wifi though, and am getting the same error and I just can't connect.
So, I was thinking that it might be certain builds of WLM that we are flashing on our phones. Any thoughts on that?
...this is stange as i have no problems at all. i'm on w n' w lowest plan using agile messenger/live messenger- the only thing they switched off is the ftp which i already ask them about.
i'm using lvsw's rom.
Well, maybe we should start listing our Windows Live builds. Be sure to mention if you have this problem or not. Maybe we can narrow it down that way. I'll start...
10.6.0026.1400
Who's next?
I just noticed my IRC is getting blocked too, on T-Mobile... it connects and disconnects right away. One way to figure out T-Mobile is trying via WiFi to compare.
This kinda sucks. For comparison, I am on the OLD Web'n'Walk 2GB plan before they revamped it with all the Plus/Max nonsense.
I'm running live messenger on WM5 and it connects with no problems whatsoever, i use it every day! (on it right now too). I am on the cheapest WnW plan. Not sure what version of Live I am using , as there seems to be no 'about' option on any of the menus!. If someone could tell me how else I can check the version i'd check.
In essence, I can say for fact that T-Mobile are NOT blocking Instant messaging.
Surely if they block it they're falsly advertising WnW?
I signed up to the £7.50 WnW package because it was being advertised as "the whole internet from my phone". Obviously there's going to be some restrictions because of bandwidth and hardware capabilities, but TMobile blocking things is something else.
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Just re-flashed to Elf 2.1 and Live Messenger is working fine... I'll keep an eye on it though.
I'm not sure, but i want to ask if is anyone experiencing some GPRS problems. I can connect to inet w/o probs, i can browse web...., but i cannot connect to IRC(using wmirc or pirc), ICQ or MSN(im+435) or i have troubles with ftp(resco I tried passive and active mode) Am I tho only one or something similar is happenig to others? I'm using HTC-Uni(latest WM6 build 17....)
IRC is blocked as far as i know, unless you use wnw+ or wnw-max. IM apps arent allowed just as much as VoIP over webnwalk.
i use wnw, on contract dont know if its wnw+. it worked a week ago?suddenly stopped. ****ing t-mobil.(maybe because they had to pay £200 for inconvenience)will call them
ive heard a few reports of this today, seems tmob might be cracking down on it??
I havent been able to use irc / stream music etc.... since getting my contract (about 3 weeks ago)
i cannot use ftp as well, just thinking if those bastards didnt start blocking all ports except for 21, 80, IMAP, SMTP, POP3 :-( if yes i'll chec my contract and will take some legal actions ( I love compensation for inconvinience)
Stuck
Hello everyone, ive been trying to follow these T-mobile UK GPRS problems, related post because im in the same boat. My msn messenger wont work and ive given up, (use webmessenger: works fine though). Yahoo messenger will not allow me to make pc 2 pc call any more but works for chatting.
However strange, i am begining to suspect T-mobile UK as they are obliged to do, are cracking down on VOIP / IRC protocols.
Also need to mention that skype and msn messenger works fine from my SPV M3100 so its does confuse me a bit.
Now im wondering should i delete this post A.S.A.P before some t-mobile network engineer see's it and gets to work ? Im only a student(as good as pensioner: financially) who lives on his own, so wNw MAX is mostly out of the way, might need to get a broadband connection
Don't delete the post, they probably wouldn't care what you say. (A t-mobile dude was telling me to flash a different rom to my xda, so it would be fully compatible with them!)
Unfortuneatly on t-mobile they do not allow IM services on their web 'n' walk internet I think you'd have to find a wifi point.
i read fair usage policy, its not alloved for w'n'w but for w'n'w plus is no mention of IM. i sent them a letter via their web, so i'm awaiting answer
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I'm not sure, but i want to ask if is anyone experiencing some GPRS problems. I can connect to inet w/o probs, i can browse web...., but i cannot connect to IRC(using wmirc or pirc), ICQ or MSN(im+435) or i have troubles with ftp(resco I tried passive and active mode) Am I tho only one or something similar is happenig to others? I'm using HTC-Uni(latest WM6 build 17....)
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Which WnW package are you on?
btw before people start complaning that they cant get on msn,etc check which WnW package you have
Wnw
WnW Plus
Wnw Max
then check the TnC to see if it allows you to use that service
Flext + web'n'walk plans
Subject to connection to Flext or U-Fix + web 'n' walk. Minimum term contract and credit check apply. Subject to coverage. Compatible handset required. Roaming charges apply. Not applicable to connection via CSD. *To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers a 1GB (of data both sent and received in the UK) per month fair use policy applies. If you exceed 1GB per month, we may tell you to reduce your future use. If you again exceed 1GB per month, we may tell you that we are going to apply network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed for 14 days. If you exceed 1GB per month for a third time , we may tell you that we are going to apply further network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed until you upgrade your price plan to include a larger data allowance. We do not permit use of this service to provide modem access for a computer or for peer to peer file sharing, internet phone calls or instant messaging. Roaming charges apply.
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Flext + web'n'walk Plus plans
Subject to connection to Flext + web 'n' walk Plus. Minimum term contract and credit check apply. Compatible laptop and handset required. Not applicable to connection via CSD. Subject to coverage. To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers, a fair use policy of 3GB (of data sent and received in the UK) per month applies. If you exceed 3GB per month, we may tell you to reduce your future use. If you again exceed 3GB per month, we may tell you that we are going to apply network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed for 14 days. If you exceed 3GB per month for a third time, we may tell you that we are going to apply further network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed until you upgrade your price plan to include a larger data allowance. We do not permit use of this service for internet phone calls. Roaming charges apply.
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Flext + web'n'walk Max plan
Subject to connection to selected Flext + web'n'walk Max price plans. Minimum term contract and credit check applies. Compatible laptop and handset required. Not applicable to connection via CSD. Subject to coverage. *To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers, a fair use policy of 10GB (of UK data both sent and received) per month applies. If you exceed 10GB per month, we may tell you to reduce your future use. If you again exceed 10GB per month, we may tell you that we are going to apply network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed for 14 days. If you exceed 10GB per month for a third time, we may tell you that we are going to apply further network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed until you upgrade your price plan to include a larger data allowance. Roaming charges apply.
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so if your using skype, msn,etc on the basic WnW and they block that, no point in complaning as you wont have a leg to stand on
i'm on wnw+ so im pissed off. i sesnt them a mail on sund. i do not use skype as viop client only for IM. but i cannot use im+(icq...), mchat, msn messenger, irc. pinkies in callcenter are stupid, they told me that they dont provide supp for 3rd party apps (except the **** in tmo's rom - and U must have extrom installed-so no way to have icon for msn). they sent me back nice letter that they recieved my complain and i will get ans within 5working days. its friday 2:11am and still nothing. BTW IM was reason for wnw2wnw+ upgrade. they are ****ing bastards.
Go to connection settings and clear the checkbox beside "This network uses a proxy server to connect to the Internet"
I have recently discovered how to use my phone as a modem on my laptop, and use the dataplan. I have unlimited data usage. the question i'm asking is: would they do anything when they find out there's a lot of data being used on my behalf. Also i've looked through O2's t&c's and all it says is fair usage, no actual figure of how much data per month you are allowed. could someone just give me some insightful info.
Thanks,
Joel
Also would using a bluetooth connection maybe make me less inconspicuous as there is a maximum data transfer rate of 56 kilo BYTES using bluetooth, where as O2 has a maximum HSDPA speed of 1.8 mega BITS (around 180 kilo BYTES per second). So maybe staying away from a cable would be slightly beneficial?
from their side it should just show that it's your phone which request and recieve all the data your laptop request thats the nature of using it as a router/modem
what do you mean?
Whoa!!
I used my phone with the Internet Sharing for a couple of days just to check my email and do a little browsing (While I was away in Cornwall).
And I got charged even though i've got unlimited data plan.
According to the O2 they can charge me if I use the phone as a tethered modem. As to how they know the difference between the phones browser and a laptop using it's connection I don't know
blink182_joel said:
what do you mean?
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He means they won't know a thing!
Basically, using laptop to access is the same as using the phone but plus convenient.
THJahar said:
Whoa!!
I used my phone with the Internet Sharing for a couple of days just to check my email and do a little browsing (While I was away in Cornwall).
And I got charged even though i've got unlimited data plan.
According to the O2 they can charge me if I use the phone as a tethered modem. As to how they know the difference between the phones browser and a laptop using it's connection I don't know
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May be you could try changing UserAgent on you browser to match opera and see if that works.
I've recieved a warning.. kind of
It reads
O2: Due to your daily data usage being extremely high following our previous warning
Thats it!
I've had no other warnings to my knowledge.
I called to enquire what the meaning of the above message. The call centre op said it was to do with my data usage and Asked me if i was using my phone as a modem
I've been with o2 for many years, and have used my phone as a modem for the entire time
I don't fully believe they can tell what you're doing with your phone, surely if they knew the call centre op would have pointed this out.
But I do believe i have put myself above the radar by DLing the latest episode of Heroes on Tuesday night!! (I was stopping in a hotel and I was bored!)
ha ha brilliant. so... has anyone measured their download speed if so what's the highest you've achieved? i'm intrigued...
I was told the "unlimited" plan was subject to a fair usage policy which was around 300mb a month or so, up to 400 would not be unreasonable the chap said... but I have not even got near that yet... yet...
The only way they can tell your phone is being used as a modem is as a result of the high usage. There is nothing to say that you cannt use your phone as a modem and the only restriction is the unlimited data plan bolt-on's fair usage policy. The policy isn't a set figure from what I have been told, it's a determined level of data allowance based upon your tariff, minutes and texts and your usage on the contract. What I'm not sure of id whether the fair usage figure goes up as you use more minutes and texts. However, I think it is raised by how much your tariff and average monthly spend is.
All I can suggest is not using a phone as a modem other than in an emergency, such as in a power cut....which there are barely any of in the UK.
I work for o2...The official line is your not supposed to do it.
Fair usage policy is 230 MB. It has been set at an amount that a phone alone would never use in a month.
Problem with laptops and PC's is they consume much larger quantities of data, when browsing. The biggest culprit is Auto Windows Update, you can be unaware that this can run in the background downlaoding updates for programs.
If Microsoft releases a service pack for windows or office, that can easily be more than your whole monthly allowance in a matter of minutes.
Theoretically they can charge you £3 for every MB you go over...thus a windows service pack could cost you up £200 to £300.
In the UK they dont often do this, they send polite text messages instead. However do this abroad and they will charge you every time.
Dont worry I wont tell
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But I do believe i have put myself above the radar by DLing the latest episode of Heroes on Tuesday night!! (I was stopping in a hotel and I was bored!)
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YOU MUPPET!
Seriously, torrents are huge hogs of bandwidth so it's no wonder that O2 latched onto you. 350MB seeded back to 1:1 is 700MB total. Even if you got it from newsgroups it would still kill your bandwidth allocation. I know it's not what you want to hear but READ your terms and conditions in future! It's made quite plain that you're not to use the phone tethered to a laptop.
I've been using my mobile internet quite heavily and my account panel says I'm hardly using anything (maybe 5MB per day if I'm lucky). 230MB/month sounds like a reasonable level and thank you for confirming it Mark. Everyone knew it was *around* 200MB but no-one seemed to know exactly how much.
Mark A Cilenti said:
I work for o2...The official line is your not supposed to do it.
Fair usage policy is 230 MB. It has been set at an amount that a phone alone would never use in a month.
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I would think that with todays phones (especially like the x1) they would up this... eg if I use Edge or HSDPA and I would like to download some of the RSS feeds i have and some of them have podcasts (Chinese for language learning) then I can use that allowance in a very very short time... all with just my phone... is the allowance a hang over from the wap type of phones...??
BBC had to stop iplayer going out over GPRS because of download quanitities.
o2 have another data bolt on called Web Max, and its £30 and I think the domestic UK limit on it is around 3GB, it was the for-runner to USB Mobile Broadband.
Data Bolt On Terms
* A maximum of one Data Bolt On can be added at any one time.
* The Web Bolt On allows you unlimited use of Telefónica O2 UK Limited's Edge/GPRS/ 3G networks (as applicable to your handset), for personal internet use via your mobile phone. All usage must be for your private, personal and non-commercial purposes. You may not use your SIM Card:
o in, or connected to, any other device including modems;
o to allow the continuous streaming of any audio / video content, enable Voice over Internet (Voip), P2P or file sharing; or
o in such a way that adversely impacts the service to other O2 customers.
Source : o2.co.uk
I am on the web bolt-on and I have used VoIP and streaming of video and music over the HSDPA network of O2 and I have not seen them charging me in my monthly bill.
I guess they have a way to detect if the device is being used as a modem but the question is how?! Perhaps the only curlprit here is the excessive usage that flagged it up on the system but the same usage could be done using the X1i with a torrent client on the actual device, no?
No such thing has unlimited...
altho o2 still states unlimited, 200mb has also been mentioned on the website..
I guess it just depends how lucky your are..
mkouk said:
I am on the web bolt-on and I have used VoIP and streaming of video and music over the HSDPA network of O2 and I have not seen them charging me in my monthly bill.
I guess they have a way to detect if the device is being used as a modem but the question is how?! Perhaps the only curlprit here is the excessive usage that flagged it up on the system but the same usage could be done using the X1i with a torrent client on the actual device, no?
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Whilst the easiest way will be useage, they can also spot which ports you are using, so stuff like BitTorrent should be detectable.
on o2 uk it says you must not connect it to a laptop
hi
as you can usually see sms volumes in and out or call durations called and received on standard mobile, can you view the current or total data volumes sent/received in the hd2...im sure my reasonable usage contract is going to be challenged this month having just got ny hd2 and cant stop playing with it...thanks
Try this...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4980517&postcount=2
Edit:
The developer's website http://www.efficasoft.com/
thanks. ill give that a try
I had a reasonable usage data plan from o2 for 3 or 4 years now.
No problems there and I used all my HTC devices as internet dongle.
Boy do I abuse it however for me it is fair usage I use it fairly for my entertainment.
cool...i'll keep hammering my data usage then...resonably of course
do you keep your data connections open all the time...as im currently turning them off when im done via comms mgr? all my time/weather updates are set to manual
PTK100 said:
do you keep your data connections open all the time...as im currently turning them off when im done via comms mgr? all my time/weather updates are set to manual
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He no, can not be bothered. Auto logon to facebook, youtube, auto download for weather and internet time sync. QuickGPS is also set to download when needed.
All, except quickGPS, have one exception and that is if roaming do not do anything.
Their main problem is skype phone calls (not chat) and if you start downloading torrents or other big files.
As my previous job was mainly away from home for a week and back on weekend at those times I did even get some torrents going but only at night.
O2 are the best for "fair use" though. Most (NB not all!) of the others offer between 512MB and 1GB per month. O2 offer 3GB.
I do about 1-2GB a month, so that's perfect for me. Might start downloading Lost on my phone when it comes back on next month lol
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O2 are the best for "fair use" though. Most (NB not all!) of the others offer between 512MB and 1GB per month. O2 offer 3GB.
I do about 1-2GB a month, so that's perfect for me. Might start downloading Lost on my phone when it comes back on next month lol
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There is no limit on o2?!
I have unlimited web bolt-on. Key word unlimited. However in small text there is a fare usage policy but I always ignore those as fair for one is not so far for other so you can argue that.
ruscik said:
There is no limit on o2?!
I have unlimited web bolt-on. Key word unlimited. However in small text there is a fare usage policy but I always ignore those as fair for one is not so far for other so you can argue that.
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Yeah, it's not unlimited. The fair usage policy is what stands. They basically say "it's unlimited if you don't go over a certain amount". You still have to be careful, but at 3gig, I don't think I'll be worrying about it much!
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Yeah, it's not unlimited. The fair usage policy is what stands. They basically say "it's unlimited if you don't go over a certain amount". You still have to be careful, but at 3gig, I don't think I'll be worrying about it much!
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No word of 3gig so maybe we have not the same plan:
2.
Use of the O2 Web & Wi-Fi Bolt On is subject to an excessive usage policy as explained in point 3 below.
3.
The O2 Web & Wi-Fi Bolt On allows you unlimited use of O2 UK's Edge, GPRS, 3G and HSDPA networks, The Cloud's UK Wireless LAN network and the BT Openzone UK Wireless LAN network, for personal internet use and email. All usage must be for your private, personal and non-commercial purposes.
You may not use your SIM Card in any device to allow the continuous streaming of any audio / video content, enable P2P or file sharing or use them in such a way that adversely impacts the service to other O2 customers. If O2 reasonably suspect you are not acting in accordance with this policy O2 reserves the right to impose further charges or disconnect your tariff at any time, having attempted to contact you first.
The fair usage policy is in a seperate document to the t&c for your contract. It mentions fair usage, but then it's up to you to go look for what that means!
We may have different contracts anyway. Who knows!
johncmolyneux said:
The fair usage policy is in a seperate document to the t&c for your contract. It mentions fair usage, but then it's up to you to go look for what that means!
We may have different contracts anyway. Who knows!
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Well if I do not have the same contract then cool if I do I have used over 3GB's in many months.
O2
Just had a quick check on O2 and their reasonable usage bolt-ons are:
Web - 200Mb
Web and Wifi - 3Gb
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Just had a quick check on O2 and their reasonable usage bolt-ons are:
Web - 200Mb
Web and Wifi - 3Gb
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Well I must be on the hate, to kick out list
Hey there,
Looking to understand my rate plan and whether its a good deal or whether I should be in the market for something better.
I signed up with AT&T about two years ago for my first smartphone (EPIX) and got a plan so I could pick up MS Exchange mail.
I explicitly got the plan that did not include "texting" since I'm a data only kinda guy.
Here is the info from my online account description:
Smartphone Bundle without Messaging
- PDA Enterprise for Good
- Price $45.00
- Text N/A
- Data unlimited
I recently bought an unlocked Nexus S i9020A which seems to work great on the old SIM card and works dandy with voice and 3G data service.
Most recent usage for the account online says:
Additional Data Purchased Usage:
Data
GPRS WAP UNLTD DOM - GM51/GMD2
63.2 MB of Unlimited
So what I was hoping is for some help interpreting the abbreviations, and plan limits (if any).
My contract has expired so I assume I'll maintain the same rate plan unless I change it or sign up for a new one.
Also is the "tethering" option a fee for using their tethering application, or for the privilege of using my phone as a hot spot period.
I know that's a lot to ask, but if anyone has any ideas or experience in these matters please lt me know.
Thanks
Updating my own post
Data
GPRS WAP UNLTD DOM - GM51/GMD2
GPRS - General Packet Radio Service
[3G HSDPA/HSUPA 850 1900 Mhz 7.2/5.76 Mbps]
WAP - Wireless Application Protocol (service)
UNLTD - Unlimited
DOM - Domestic
GM51 - Good Mobile client 5.1 (guess)
GMD2 - Good Mobile domino 2 (guess)
I suspect the extra (GM51/GMD2) codes are for software I was never given or told about to interact with some kind of Mobile device proxy server for a Business LAN.
Kinda upsets me.
However the "unlimited" data plan is still of interest to me.
What answer are you exactly looking for?
I was looking for information about the billing codes.
And opinions as to whether this plan is average, or something I should consider leaving.
Beyond that I was curious about tethering.
Originally my question was posted to the general section and it was moved to the Network section by moderator.
I believe I found some of the answers, but not all, so I was sharing the information.
If this is inappropriate please feel free to close or dispose of the thread in any suitable way.
Thanks for the reply.
. and I hope I don't come off defensive, I'm really new to this forum. So the accepted conventions and practices here are new to me.
- jwillis