I just picked up a new Cingular 8525, XDA Hermes. Pretty impressive. Fast, Fast, Fast... Works great with Skype. No problem accessing the internet through my wireless router. Had it up and running in less then an hour.
What I don't like... Screen is small. I've been using an XDA II and guess I'm used too the larger screen. Also, I'm left handed and it feels a little awkward in my hand. Will get used to it, I hope.
I appreciate all the experts on this site... The site has been very helpfull to me, a newbie.
Happy Holidays too all.
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Am thinking of trading my Universal for someone's Wizard. Was wondering what you guys think of that.
Thoughts?
Offers?
Thanks!
Cyb
Do it and dont look back.
Main reason? EDGE compatibility. Especially as your in the US.
Only thing the Uni has that I want over and above the Wizard is VGA. But I can live with the tiny QVGA screen on the Wizard. The VGA screen is the main reason the Uni is so sluggish anyway, as it uses the processor as its video controller instead of a seperate VGA chip.
Cya
Stot
I suggest you check the Pocket PC forum on HowardForums.com first. Quite a few people are extremely unhappy with their Wizards, while owners of Universals seem rather happy.
You are stupid...
change a ferrari into a bmw (normal version)
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You are stupid...
change a ferrari into a bmw (normal version)
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well I'm definately getting opinions! keep 'em coming...
Cyb
Ferarri - BMW.. Not entirely true.
The Universal on its face is a good device. But once you start using it it has its annoyances that can outweigh the VGA screen, the only great thing it has going for it. It has a faster CPU but its impacted by the fact that the CPU is drawing 4 times the screen real estate which slows it down a LOT.
Ram/Rom is the same
Both have a QWERTY K/B
Both have Bluetooth
Both have 1.3MP camera.
Also be aware that in the US there is no 3G WCDMA network, there is 3G EDGE rolling out tho, so the Wiz can go 3G out here.
Oh and the Wiz has Wifi b and g and will be upgradeable via rom to e and i too. Universal is b only.
IMO the Universal is a little too fragile also. Not sure about the Wiz as i havent got it yet but its on its way and I had a play with it. its seemed to be more sturdy.
So. Its more like comparing a Ferarri towing a caravan, looks great fairly slick and fast engine bogged down, to a Caterham 7. Looks great, bit smaller, less powerfull engine, fairly robust, No caravan.
Cya
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i had a Wizard for a couple of weeks. to be honest i loved it but i found the screen too small for easy reading of mail, spreadsheets, internet browsing etc. As a phone it is definitely preferable to the Universal BUT, from my humble point of view, the Universal is the best all rounder i've ever used - it's awesome. Also, once you've tweaked the Universal it's realy fast AND reliable and it does mean that for short journey's abroad i don't need to take my laptop. oh yeah, the Wizard uses mini SD which means you are limited to a 1GB storage card and if you like music, video etc that just ain't enough!
Mikey Mike
i had a Wizard for a couple of weeks. to be honest i loved it but i found the screen too small for easy reading of mail, spreadsheets, internet browsing etc. As a phone it is definitely preferable to the Universal BUT, from my humble point of view, the Universal is the best all rounder i've ever used - it's awesome. Also, once you've tweaked the Universal it's realy fast AND reliable and it does mean that for short journey's abroad i don't need to take my laptop. oh yeah, the Wizard uses mini SD which means you are limited to a 1GB storage card and if you like music, video etc that just ain't enough!
Mikey Mike
The Wizard has a keyboard.....all right.....BUT, it doesnt have a separate row for numbers (0-9). It shares it with the qwert... keys, and that's simply bad!
IMHO, i think this is a handicap, and is a bad limitation for a device which claims to have a native hw based keyboard...
S
ferrari and BMW?
Think not you are giving the wizard too much credit.
Main problems with the wizard: Too small, it is a stuck up mda compact.
The processor is downright slow.
You are living in the US so yeah, edge is the only option for the 3g network.
Still I think you should not just throw it away and get the wizard.
Furthermore if you do change it is a waste of your money, as the wizard is much cheaper then the universal.
Offcourse there are problems with the universal... what did you expect.
The universal uses vga, which is not supported yet. It uses wm5 too which is not highly compatible with known programs either.
I suggest you wait a while before you do something I am sure you will regret sooner or later.
Thanks!
I want to thank you guys for your responses... I have decided to keep my universal and just continue to use my Sierra Wireless VOQ as a back up when the Uni is TOO MUCH
Now... let's begin with a new ROM...
Thanks again...
Cyb
Im down with the trade!!
I would check your exec they are just as cheap. I dropped my orange variant and the case split open. I am unbiased as I have both and actually vga is supported nativly since wm 2003. So it is not a new thing manuafactures choose not to implement screens.
Wizard thogh a tad slower gets the job done, remeber the tortoise and the bunny. Besides have you actually looked at the benchmarks for the exec they are not that inspiring.
I guess I am British in that sense I am used to waiting, like British transport you will be waiting but it will get yo there though.
battery life
however the wizard is like a moped sipping vegetable oil compared with the universal like a mustang on premium gas when it comes to battery life...
I currently own a HTC Universal which has caused me nothing but bother. Today was the final straw and it is now going back to O2. I have to decide which replacment phone to go with ....how are you guys finding the XDA mini s? is it any good? or should i go back to a XDA 2i
please advise.
Since no-one else will answer!
I have had the wizard now since november last year and I think it's great.
I have two friends with Universals, one who likes it and wants to keep it and one who swapped it for a wizard as soon as he saw mine.
On the plus side, the phone does everything the uni does except 3G but the battery seems to last a lot longer. I can get a couple of days use between charges if i'm careful.
The screen is really sharp but a trifle small. it doesn't bother me, and if you're able to read the mini web pages at 640 x 480 on the uni then it shouldn't bother you.
The keyboard is also easy to use and as an example, I am writing this on the wizard keyboard (with my big clumsy fingers) and i've only hit the wrong key three times so far.
The only negative thing is the speed. I occasionally find myself waiting for the pda to catch up - but is should stress occasionally because it's really not often enough to bother me.
TomTom 5, Skype and even some fancy 3D games work fine, although they take a little while longer to load up.
I'm sure people will want to argue over what i've said but for what it's worth the Wizard is in my opinion, approaching the perfect mobile device. Just needs a big HDD in it to be complete.
I can also recommend an Eten phone. I can't remember the model but it's basically a wizard without the keyboard and a 400Mhz processor. (it doesn't use mini-USB to charge though, needs an adaptor). See Expansys.
well.. my 8125 broke at the usb/charger port. Thinking about making a switch to the 8525 but haven't had any hands on with it. I am currently using NBD 8.3 and its basically made me fall in love with the phone. In short, if anyone has made the switch, give me some pro's/con's.
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well.. my 8125 broke at the usb/charger port. Thinking about making a switch to the 8525 but haven't had any hands on with it. I am currently using NBD 8.3 and its basically made me fall in love with the phone. In short, if anyone has made the switch, give me some pro's/con's.
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There are no roms that are just like NBD - there are some that have a lot of similarities and you can install most of the things that aren't. The only thing that you're going to probably miss is the 3D cube. The smart people here who work on these things haven't been able to port the Touch 3D cube over to this phone yet (Apparently you Wizard users got lucky as they used the same touch mechanism on the Wizard as the Touch making it easy to port it over). There is a semi-working implementation for this phone but it's unstable and to make the screens rotate you have to keep pushing a button instead of swiping with your finger - not nearly as cool. If you can live without the 3D cube - you can make a rom look and work very similarly to the NBD roms
thank you very much. my 2nd question, is speed of loading programs and web pages on the wi-fi. I am sure this noticeably faster?
Have you tried dismantling the 8125 and seeing if you can fix the broken USB port.
Since you're leaving it broken like this, there is no loss if you actually EXPLODE your phone while trying to fix it
And if you DO want to upgrade to a 8525 anyways, then you can resell your 8125 FUNCTIONAL (fixed).
Trust me, as a man who internalized a USB hub in his laptop, I know that USB ports are very simple.
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thank you very much. my 2nd question, is speed of loading programs and web pages on the wi-fi. I am sure this noticeably faster?
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I have only played with the Wizard very briefly when I unlocked and loaded NBD on the singer of my bands phone. I was surprised how snappy of a rom it was. My TyTN still feels quicker to me then hers (should be - the processor is 2x as fast) but she doesn't have any processor intensive apps on her phone (such as TomTom) like I do on mine so it's a little hard for me to get a feeling (calc seems about the same speed on both ;P) I like the keypad on my phone much better then hers - the layout seems more logical (though you may be used to yours and find it weird but she likes mine more too so you'll probably like it better). Also the 2mpx camera is a nice upgrade (assuming you have good lighting - the photos are still crap in dark lighting but are fairly decent in good sunlight/well lit rooms). I'm not sure about the websurfing - never tried that on hers but I'm don't feel like it's a long wait while using it on mine so it'll probably be fine for you.
I have both an 8125 and an 8525.
The 8525 is a lot better, except the 8125 feels a lot tougher. The 8125 feels like you could drop it a few times and it would still be OK (and I have), whereas I feel like I need to be careful with the 8525. If you're "always on the go" I'd probably stick with the 8125 -- the proven workhorse.
well i have soder gun, i could fix it. but after i take the 4 screws out, I am kinda unsure of whats next. i have tried to pull it apart, but i don't want to break it. looking at the 8525 i am not a fan so much, I am liking the htc tytn alot more.
8525 and Tytn pretty much the same, if you want cheap and cool looking u can try search for X01HT white. Or maybe just wait for 8925 (kaiser)
i have both also. personally i dont find any cons with the 8525. i had huge speed problems with my 8125. so to me it kicks the 8125's butt. i'd get a hermes if i were u. and sell the fixed wizard ebay.
Hi!
First off, im a daily visitor and fan of the site. Fantastic forum for us techies.
Now to what i need from you.
I recently dropped my Universal from my balcony (5 meters), it fell for a fairly sudden death you could say.
Being a reseller of brightpoint i thought, ok, no problem i will wait for the HTC TYTN II instead being a better device.
However, i really miss the VGA feature browsing webpages and using vnc ( i use it alot). Keyboard aswell way to small compared to universal.
Would you say Athena is a better choise than Tytn II? Cannot believe why tytn II didnt come in vga.. Heard that glofish m800 will be the same factor but vga support.
What i need. Speedy device with VGA! Is the Athena CPU faster than TYTN II?
Both units have GPS right. so no problems there.
Your thoughts are highly appreciated. The athena just dropped in price..
Best regards,
Daniel Eriksson
Yes, the CPU of the Athena is faster than the one on Kaiser.
Keep in mind that the Athena occupies the same space as approx. two and a half Kaisers if you're planning on keeping it in your pocket.
However, I love the Athena and I'm (almost) never leaving home without it. But the Kaiser is great too, and smaller. Why not get both?
daniel.eriksson said:
Hi!
First off, im a daily visitor and fan of the site. Fantastic forum for us techies.
Now to what i need from you.
I recently dropped my Universal from my balcony (5 meters), it fell for a fairly sudden death you could say.
Being a reseller of brightpoint i thought, ok, no problem i will wait for the HTC TYTN II instead being a better device.
However, i really miss the VGA feature browsing webpages and using vnc ( i use it alot). Keyboard aswell way to small compared to universal.
Would you say Athena is a better choise than Tytn II? Cannot believe why tytn II didnt come in vga.. Heard that glofish m800 will be the same factor but vga support.
What i need. Speedy device with VGA! Is the Athena CPU faster than TYTN II?
Both units have GPS right. so no problems there.
Your thoughts are highly appreciated. The athena just dropped in price..
Best regards,
Daniel Eriksson
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Hi All,
Just wondering what the collective thoughts are of our Niki users...
My Kaiser is now on ebay, as I've lost my patience with it. So the search is on for a replacement WM6 device.
I've fallen back to my old original Touch (elf) and am really enjoying using the device again. Not physical input mechanism bugs me, so the Dual seemed like a good upgrade.
But some of the bugs posted on this forum have put me off. I know I could Hard SPL the device when I get it and flash Tom Codon's rom, which would solve some problems, but I want to try to get out of the rom flashing nightmare that owning a Kaiser's become.
Any thoughts appreciated. Are you all still in love with your Touch Duals? Or should I avoid...?
Cheers.
I've got both and the niki is great (it has become my primary device) . The form factor is well thought out and with Tom Codons rom on it's an awesome device.
I miss the kaisers qwerty keyboard for texting sometimes but i think thats just because i'm getting used to t9 again.
I would say get one and try it for the weeks grace you get from most places and make up your own mind.
I bet you don't return it.
... i have my p5520 for almost one month and i love it.
things i am wondering :
1.) slider mechanism - will there be spareparts available in case mechanism gets weak due to heavy use ?
2.) scratched touch surface - on my old trinity there was space enough to put some display protection things on it .. on the nike touch surface is flat to the housing - so any display protection will be higher than the housing of the device.
3.) wifi and gps
at the end of the day i am sure that all software related things will be solved sooner or later ..
my 2 cents
cheers
suppose this might be helpful
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=361548
I came from a hermes to a touch dual and have no complaints at all - have had no faults on software or hardware - just miss the keyboard - takes a while to get used to typing a long email.
I came from a Hermes to a touch dual as well.
As man its fantastic. Really really happy with it so far miss the keyboard but the Xt9 is pretty good and you get used to it pretty quickly would recommend it any day.
Of course some tweaks had to be done first I would recommend the battery tweak on this forum as it really works
I have a mini review on here for my first 72 hrs of use have a read username same as here
http://www.modaco.com/content-page/262284/T-Mobile-to-launch-Touch-Dual-as-Touch-Plus/page/80/
Jeremy
Just moved from hermes to niki too. Dont miss the wifi at all, didnt realise until i changed how little I used it. the processor seems much fatser with the tomtom6 than on the old unit and the form factor is just so much more usable. The only thing I miss is an ok button but its really not that big an issue
I am also looking at giving up my vario2 for one of these and I never use my wifi now I have unlimited data on my tarif - there is not much point - the difference in speed is minimal and I can't be bothered switching about all the time. I leave the wifi off.
I was wondering the same about the keys though. I popped into a shop today to have a feel of the phone in real life and teh keys felt very flimsy - like they wouldnt survie a heavy use and 18 month contract.
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I am also looking at giving up my vario2 for one of these and I never use my wifi now I have unlimited data on my tarif - there is not much point - the difference in speed is minimal and I can't be bothered switching about all the time. I leave the wifi off.
I was wondering the same about the keys though. I popped into a shop today to have a feel of the phone in real life and teh keys felt very flimsy - like they wouldnt survie a heavy use and 18 month contract.
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I hardly ever use the slide out pad to be honest i use the touch on screen pad which has taken a while to get used to but have mastered it using 1 thumb - but apart from all that a great device makes a big difference not rushing around searching for a usb or a charger like i used to with my hermes and performing numerous soft resets.
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I hardly ever use the slide out pad to be honest i use the touch on screen pad which has taken a while to get used to but have mastered it using 1 thumb - but apart from all that a great device makes a big difference not rushing around searching for a usb or a charger like i used to with my hermes and performing numerous soft resets.
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I have to agree - this is the most stable windows mobile platform I have ever had (been using windows CE in some version or other for 10 years\)
The key pad is pretty robust and seems much more usable than the rather temperamental pad on my hermes. All round really impressed