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Toshiba bluetooth stack ROCKS...

I installed the Toshiba bluetooth stack on my I-Mate Jam and it ROCKS - it includes ALL the functionality/profiles missing in the MS stack!
...BUT...
It is unstable as hell (I have experienced all sort of "cosmetic" issues) and I am fairly sure this is due to the fact that both MS and Toshiba stacks try to use the same bluetooth hardware SIMULTANEOUSLY.
...SO...
has anyone figured how deinstall/reinstall the microsoft bluetooth stack on a Magician (I-Mate Jam, Qtek S-100, MDA Compact, XDA Mini)?

cseilern said:
...BUT...
It is unstable as hell (I have experienced all sort of "cosmetic" issues) and I am fairly sure this is due to the fact that both MS and Toshiba stacks try to use the same bluetooth hardware SIMULTANEOUSLY.
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So, what "ROCKS" about it?
Always do full backup b4 installing sware.

it does what the MS BT stack does (serial port, headset, activesync), but also adds other profiles (pan, dun, obex, ftp, chat + others from memory)
i.e send files/chat with other mobile phone users, access bt pan, etc... though i am only interested in pan, chat and obex
when i fisrt played with it, i immediately saw why everyone whinges with the bt stack...

it's excellent and stable for me, didn't expierence any bugs...

dutty:
Did you get pan working ?
If so can you please let me know how?
Thanks,
Martin

I'm kinda interested ...
Can u please post a copy of that Toshiba Bluetooth stack u're using so we can all have a chance to have a look at it and maybe modify it to work on our phones

uh, just started the service, restarted the device and connected to it!
BUT, i also installed the toshiba BT stack on my workstation

I'm kinda interested ...
Can u please post a copy of that Toshiba Bluetooth stack u're using so we can all have a chance to have a look at it and maybe modify it to work on our phones
And just more thing ... How did u manage to get that bluetooth stack to run on xda devices since it keeps checking for external SD bluetooth cards and was not designed for internal bluetooth chips ?

Look in this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=15382&highlight=

Thanks for the link ....... BUT !!
I was able to download the Toshiba BT Stack v5.01 but it won't seem to work on my xda !! Everytime I tap on Bluetooth Setting (from toshiba) It says the following ' An error occurred with the Bluetooth Card. Confirm that the card is working properly.
Both my MS Stack and Widcomm Stacks are disabled and don't conflict with this new Toshiba Stack.
I was wondering how the thread owner got this BT stack running on his xda ?

It works on my XDA Mini just fine. The only problem I'm having is that it won't stay resident when you power off the device.

cseilern said:
I installed the Toshiba bluetooth stack on my I-Mate Jam and it ROCKS - it includes ALL the functionality/profiles missing in the MS stack!
...BUT...
It is unstable as hell (I have experienced all sort of "cosmetic" issues) and I am fairly sure this is due to the fact that both MS and Toshiba stacks try to use the same bluetooth hardware SIMULTANEOUSLY.
...SO...
has anyone figured how deinstall/reinstall the microsoft bluetooth stack on a Magician (I-Mate Jam, Qtek S-100, MDA Compact, XDA Mini)?
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As for disabling the MS stack, look here.

Got another Question ??
Will this new stack work on a Qtek2020 ? I've tried installing it on my Qtek2020 but it won't recognise my bluetooth hardware !!
Any sugestions ??? :?:

cseilern said:
I installed the Toshiba bluetooth stack on my I-Mate Jam and it ROCKS - it includes ALL the functionality/profiles missing in the MS stack!
...BUT...
It is unstable as hell (I have experienced all sort of "cosmetic" issues) and I am fairly sure this is due to the fact that both MS and Toshiba stacks try to use the same bluetooth hardware SIMULTANEOUSLY.
...SO...
has anyone figured how deinstall/reinstall the microsoft bluetooth stack on a Magician (I-Mate Jam, Qtek S-100, MDA Compact, XDA Mini)?
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Oops, sorry, look here for info about turning off the MS BT stack.

RE
From the download link provided it showed support for WM2003. How about WM2003SE?
Anyone feedback in using on WM2003SE?
Thanks
:roll:

i think the imate jam runs se?
:roll:

RE
Sorry, another question.
In the event of a hard reset will my O2 XDA II restore the MS stack with whatever registry settings that were deleted in the process of installating the Toshiba bt stack? Will the Toshiba bt stack be totally removed in the evnet of a hard reset?
Thanks again

yes sir

Found 2 problems.
Cannot connect when call ring.. connect then call is fine.
Cannot Accept call with button on headset.
Any more Problems ???
Please post your problems ..

Hi
i´ve tested the toshiba bt software on my MDA-Compact but haven´t got very good results. First, after installation, it seems to work good with my Royaltek RBT 3000 (GPS), but after i´ve switched off the device while an active bt connection was established with my gps software, the bt-stack broks down and the whole systems seems to be unstable. Even after a softreset the bt-software from toshiba says that they didnt recognize any bt hardware.
Now i am trying to deinstall the bt-soft and can recommend everybody who wants to test to make an backup before ;-)
I think that the software from toshiba could work, when the ms-bt-stack would be completly changed with the toshiba-stack, but doesnt work without problems when both bt-stacks are on the system.
Regards
FluBeX

Bluesoleil BT stack + manager, stable and more profiles

I found out about this BT stack driver through a thread regarding the toshiba BT stack driver, so i thought: other driver, other thread :wink:
Original thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=15604
Download BlueSoleil CE here: http://ivtcorporation.com/download/BlueSoleil_Download.php#bluesoleilforce
Credits for finding this BT stack go to: rdkay
It has a lot more profiles then the standard MS stack.
Occording to their web site, supported profiles are:
PAN, OPP, SYNC, LAP, DUN, FTP, FAX, HID, SPP, HCRP, BIP, Headset, AV
The manager that comes along with it, is also a lot better then the standard one, more options, more playing around
I played around with it for a while, and i think it is rock sollid. Although I have only tested the SPP profile (with BT GPS). It never crashed, not even on suspend & resume. The radio will be deactivated during suspend though. For me this is perfect, because it will save battery life.
On resume, it will be automatically reactivated.
Installation procedure:
- Download Bluesoleil CE: http://www.bluesoleil.com/update/index.asp
- Before install, delete these reg keys:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Services\BTIcon]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\microsoft\bluetooth]
- Reboot PPC
- Install Bluesoleil CE
- During setup on PPC select Manual -> USB driver, then let setup reboot
This next step is optional, do this only when you have troubles with your GPRS connection (a newly installed network driver prevents it from operating properly on my device) Delete following reg keys:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\BTNIC]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\BTNIC1]
Reboot once more
Finished! enjoy

Sorry to spoil the celebrations, but I have already tried this stack. Indeed it works fine - except for the dirty details mentioned on the download page:
"Note: If your Bluetooth Hardware device (such as USB Dongle) is not licensed by IVT for using with BlueSoleil, any BlueSoleil version downloaded here can only be used as evaluation version, only 5M data can be transfered through Bluetooth link in evaluation version."
Unfortunately this is true - it shuts down the connection after transfer of 5Mb and after some time (a couple of weeks?) it no longer functions at all. I would be happy to buy the full version of this Bluetooth stack for my MDA Compact, but sadly the company does not seem willing to sell it.

Heimiko said:
I found out about this BT stack driver through a thread regarding the toshiba BT stack driver, so i thought: other driver, other thread :wink:
(...)
Finished! enjoy
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WOW :lol:
is this the solution i've been looking for, for my Parrot CK3000 carkit?
Just 3 questions before i will try this one tonight:
- Is it un-installable? (cause you change the regkeys)
- You had no problems with ActiveSync? Cause i would really feel bad loosing that!
- If it works on the Magican, it should also work on my dutch MDA Compact (T-Mobile, but ROM upgraded to 1.06, radio 1.05) right?
Thomas

lars_juhl said:
Sorry to spoil the celebrations, (...)
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I want a crack crack crack!!!???
anybody?
(If they are not willing to sell it...)

lars_juhl said:
Sorry to spoil the celebrations, but I have already tried this stack. Indeed it works fine - except for the dirty details mentioned on the download page:
"Note: If your Bluetooth Hardware device (such as USB Dongle) is not licensed by IVT for using with BlueSoleil, any BlueSoleil version downloaded here can only be used as evaluation version, only 5M data can be transfered through Bluetooth link in evaluation version."
Unfortunately this is true - it shuts down the connection after transfer of 5Mb and after some time (a couple of weeks?) it no longer functions at all. I would be happy to buy the full version of this Bluetooth stack for my MDA Compact, but sadly the company does not seem willing to sell it.
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aaaahjjj, bummer!! Have you tried emailing the company, asking if you could buy it from them? As far as it seems now, this stack is working perfectly, and I am REALY happy if I could buy it from them........

wroet said:
Just 3 questions before i will try this one tonight:
- Is it un-installable? (cause you change the regkeys)
- You had no problems with ActiveSync? Cause i would really feel bad loosing that!
- If it works on the Magican, it should also work on my dutch MDA Compact (T-Mobile, but ROM upgraded to 1.06, radio 1.05) right?
Thomas
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- You should make a backup of the reg keys you delete, only then it will be reversible.
- No problems with activesync of any kind.
- I have radio version 1.05 myself, so for that it should work. For ROM however, I have version 1.03, since too many ppl were complaining about bugs & instability.
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Also, I have written an email to their company, asking if they would sell it, and howmuch it would cost. Lets see if we'd get some awnser. I could live with a 60 days limit (i would reinstall my PPC long before that), but a 5 meg limit....... :?

So, which devices are licensed?

Found a configuration file, so we can do some additional tinkering :wink:
File: \Windows\bttl.ini

The following file has obviously to do with the license for application.
I suspect, that if we might be successfull with tickering in this file, we might get a full blown version. But lets first wait if I get awnsers from the company if they'd sell it; I prefer a legal version.
License File: \Windows\IVTLicConf.dat
Also, an additional ini file, that appears to be the same (?) as my first reported bttl.ini : \Windows\BTDynamicConfig.ini

for me it is working perfect. thx a lot heimiko.

Anybody tried this stuck with BT headsets...?...I would like to know if it works with SE HBH-660 or some other BT headset supporting Caller ID...
Regards,
Primoz

with the parrot ck3300 it works just perfect...

xlephant said:
with the parrot ck3300 it works just perfect...
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Xlephant: I was really looking for a good stack for my ck3000 also! Can you tell me if it allows me to upload the phone numbers to my carkit also and use the voicedialing app inside the ck3000? (Cause with my old Sony Ericsson T610 I could)
:shock:
Thomas

don't know much about the ck3000. but i have no problems to upload the phonebook with this stack. but i was also be able to upload it with the ms stack(the ck3300 works perfect with the ms stack). i swaped the stack only because of the PAN profil.

I don't understand what everyone is getting excited about. If you cannot buy it, then it is useless to me.
Regards,
William

thats true but i think there should be a way to buy it or to reset the 5mb limit.

Hello,
Does this stack allow voice dialing with a bluetooth headset ?
Thanks in advance...

Largo_Winzclav said:
Hello,
Does this stack allow voice dialing with a bluetooth headset ?
Thanks in advance...
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It should, provided you have a dialer app that does. And as the bluetooth is switched off in standby you would have to initiate the dial-up from the device, not from the headset.

Radio issue
What do you mean by the radio will be deactivated during suspend? The Bluetooth radio or won't I be able to recieve any incomming calls on my MDA Compact?
Has anyone actually experienced any of the mentioned limitations, i.e. 5 MB limit, etc.?
Cheers for the reply!

I should try it

Bluetooth A2DP

I am missing A2DP Support on my MDA Pro. It looks like this is a Microsoft issue. They still living behind the moon.
I think MS will bring an Update for this Issue. But does anyone know, how the progres is and how this Update will be delivered? Can we just download it from MS or do we have to wait for an updated ROM from out Network-Cariers?
I like to by a BT Stereo Headset :`)
On BlueAngel I get A2DP work with a BT Update

No idears?

for me the ideal will be to use the Nokia HS-12W con Universal. and i'm hoping that will be solved soon (HS-12W is not released either)

Wizard is suppose to have bluetooth v2 which should include the a2dp
ms dident invent bluetooth and they have never been big on taking the tech of others to the max
other pda's which have stereo sound over bluetooth dont use ms's bluetooth stack to get it

Ok, then we have to try getting a widcomm stack on the universal?

well recall somebody talking about getting the newly release vidcomm stack for 2005 on their himalaya with 2005 but it dident work
not sure if it's more likely to work on a universal which have the final 2005 and not a beta like himalaya
pretty sure it was in the 2005 forum i saw it

EyeOfTheStorm said:
I am missing A2DP Support on my MDA Pro. It looks like this is a Microsoft issue. They still living behind the moon.
I think MS will bring an Update for this Issue. But does anyone know, how the progres is and how this Update will be delivered? Can we just download it from MS or do we have to wait for an updated ROM from out Network-Cariers?
I like to by a BT Stereo Headset :`)
On BlueAngel I get A2DP work with a BT Update
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You should be able to upgrade your BT stack to get A2DP. Read this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=29508&highlight=bt+stack
Let us know if it works and what headset you are using!

No, does not work. This BT Update distroyes Audio Driver ... and no efect on my BT. Have to do a hard Reset.

EM1L said:
EyeOfTheStorm said:
I am missing A2DP Support on my MDA Pro. It looks like this is a Microsoft issue. They still living behind the moon.
I think MS will bring an Update for this Issue. But does anyone know, how the progres is and how this Update will be delivered? Can we just download it from MS or do we have to wait for an updated ROM from out Network-Cariers?
I like to by a BT Stereo Headset :`)
On BlueAngel I get A2DP work with a BT Update
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You should be able to upgrade your BT stack to get A2DP. Read this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=29508&highlight=bt+stack
Let us know if it works and what headset you are using!
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Strange I thought the MDA has the same BT stack from Broadcom as my XDAIIi, I did run the update described in the link above and got the A2DP - The only difference after the install is the extra profile for High Quality Audio on my XDAIIi.
My BT stack version is and still is 1.0.0 Build 3900 from Broadcom.
I did immediate soft reset after the install and then checked the profiles...
I hope you find solution soon! Check out the other BT software updates on the ftp site...
Good Luck!

Bluetooth stereo is not worth the fuss.
You cant beat a wired headpone.

EM1L said:
EM1L said:
EyeOfTheStorm said:
I am missing A2DP Support on my MDA Pro. It looks like this is a Microsoft issue. They still living behind the moon.
I think MS will bring an Update for this Issue. But does anyone know, how the progres is and how this Update will be delivered? Can we just download it from MS or do we have to wait for an updated ROM from out Network-Cariers?
I like to by a BT Stereo Headset :`)
On BlueAngel I get A2DP work with a BT Update
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You should be able to upgrade your BT stack to get A2DP. Read this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=29508&highlight=bt+stack
Let us know if it works and what headset you are using!
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Strange I thought the MDA has the same BT stack from Broadcom as my XDAIIi, I did run the update described in the link above and got the A2DP - The only difference after the install is the extra profile for High Quality Audio on my XDAIIi.
My BT stack version is and still is 1.0.0 Build 3900 from Broadcom.
I did immediate soft reset after the install and then checked the profiles...
I hope you find solution soon! Check out the other BT software updates on the ftp site...
Good Luck!
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Thanks,
MDA Pro uses a Microsoft Bluetooth Stack. Thats the big Problem. Hope for an Update.

Does anyone know, if M$ is working on it?

Good News
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4556.html

Widcomm stack on HTC Wizard

Is it possible ?! I know it's been asked before but I hope that someone has new answers...as others, I get this error:
"The Bluetooth Radio failed to turn ON due to insufficient driver memory available. You must perform a normal reset before you can turn ON the Bluetooth Radio."
I tried everything, I even f*cked up my MS stack (which is ****ty btw).
It must be some registry setting(s) something related to the maximum memory allocated to drivers in WinMobile...
Thanks guys

up!
exaclty same problem...
trying to change bt stack because of the poor sound quality on A2DP using the MS one...

I would recommend you do some more searching. This has been tried already and nobody has been able to ever get it working on the Wizard.

I am
perhaps by "tunning" the Ms a2dp dll...
Seems that only the encoding part is bad...

baramuse said:
I am
perhaps by "tunning" the Ms a2dp dll...
Seems that only the encoding part is bad...
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Strange some peopel reported "high quality" with the Wizard A2DP. I've never managed to fine tune it to reach the quality of my other A2DP-capable PDA's. See my remarks and the hacks I've tried in my A2DP-related articles.

ok i've read your articles.
Seems everything's possible if you have a widcomm stack...
The poor guys stuck with MS one can just cry until some clever guy releases a compatible version for theire pda (S200 for me)..
I've tried almost every stacks, hard-reseted a thousand times my prophet, no one seems to work
As I'm interested by the P3600 I've sent a mail to the HTC guys just to know with which stack will it be coming....
If you have any lead...... I'll the first to explore it
I'm a developer in a french company but I don't to that kind of dev so I wiosh I could try to find a solution myself but I doubt...

baramuse said:
ok i've read your articles.
Seems everything's possible if you have a widcomm stack...
The poor guys stuck with MS one can just cry until some clever guy releases a compatible version for theire pda (S200 for me)..
I've tried almost every stacks, hard-reseted a thousand times my prophet, no one seems to work
As I'm interested by the P3600 I've sent a mail to the HTC guys just to know with which stack will it be coming....
If you have any lead...... I'll the first to explore it
I'm a developer in a french company but I don't to that kind of dev so I wiosh I could try to find a solution myself but I doubt...
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Did you try disabling the MS BT stack similar to as is described in the AximSite thread? It's not done exactly the same way (because, then, the x50/x51 hack would work on these HTC devices too), "just" similar to it.

Menneisyys said:
Did you try disabling the MS BT stack similar to as is described in the AximSite thread? It's not done exactly the same way (because, then, the x50/x51 hack would work on these HTC devices too), "just" similar to it.
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You suggest me to disable the MS bt stack "the HTC device way" and then try to install the widcomm one like on other devices?

baramuse said:
You suggest me to disable the MS bt stack "the HTC device way" and then try to install the widcomm one like on other devices?
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Kinda. I really recommend the "original" AximSite thread - there, you MAY find out how the MS BT stack can be disabled so that the driver memory is freed up. (The case was the same on the Dell when we started the Widcomm project.)

backup ok!
let the tests begin !!
I'll keep in touch

hummm
I've blanked my S200
desactivated MS BT stack ==> 26mo of free ram at this point
installed the stack from axim site
same memory error...
I don't think it's a "real" memory problem but it is clear that the problem comes from the initialization part...
Just a thought but:
Dell AXIM, XDA atom, BlueAngel, ... => the devices on which the stack works have got a common caracteristic : the CPU : XScale one...
On the other side, the prophet, the magician, the wisard,... => the devices on which everything seems correct with the widcomm stack but still refuses to start it, avec an OMAP CPU...
Perhaps it's a newbie reflexion, perhaps it has nothing to do with it... but perhaps the initalization process has some CPU specific routine...
Still investigating, still newbie in the pocketPC environement :$

Sounds pretty good for a newbies speculation. I was reading about this (randomly scanning thru all topics) and wondered how much memory exactly did you gain by removing the bt stack? I dont even use BT (might get a headset, but prob not) and if its worth the memory gain, I might try to disable it myself.

baramuse said:
hummm
I've blanked my S200
desactivated MS BT stack ==> 26mo of free ram at this point
installed the stack from axim site
same memory error...
I don't think it's a "real" memory problem but it is clear that the problem comes from the initialization part...
Just a thought but:
Dell AXIM, XDA atom, BlueAngel, ... => the devices on which the stack works have got a common caracteristic : the CPU : XScale one...
On the other side, the prophet, the magician, the wisard,... => the devices on which everything seems correct with the widcomm stack but still refuses to start it, avec an OMAP CPU...
Perhaps it's a newbie reflexion, perhaps it has nothing to do with it... but perhaps the initalization process has some CPU specific routine...
Still investigating, still newbie in the pocketPC environement :$
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i've read a lot about widcomm bt on wizard, and i found the following :
the original ms bt stack calls msusbhub dll, which means that bt in HTC devices uses usb to get connected, and the widcomm stack tries to connect to an internal serial port.
conclusion : widcomm stack can run on OMAP, but we have to write a wrapper between usb and the internal serial port.
anyone can do that ? / i am not enough experienced, in ppc development, not even in driver dev.

The Wizard contains a TI BT RF front-end no? Anyone know the part number?

Read http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/in...h_stack_for_the_htc_wiza&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

NEW BLUETOOTH DRIVER (^-^) AMAZING (^-^)

Hi guys,
just listen to the story:
in one of the summer night ..... :lol: cute hu
ok i have found a new bluetooth driver that works on magician
i have tested it in my i-mate jam and it worked well
it has much more services which i never found in a bluetooth driver
which are:
Headset
File Explorer
Personal Area Networking
ActiveSync
Telephony (i think this is Dial up networkig)
Rendering (Don't ask me, i don't know :wink: )
Serial port
Bluetooth ftp server
Object push
Object push server (i really don't know what's the difference..)
Bluetooth chat
i think that's enough, or i think there is nothing else :lol:
finally try and let me know.
by the way it's a Toshiba product.
Enjoy
but i don't know it couldn't be uploaded so these are the links:
English
http://aps.toshiba-tro.de/bluetooth/pages/disclaimer.php?dt=bts&download=4us
French
http://aps.toshiba-tro.de/bluetooth/pages/disclaimer.php?dt=bts&download=4fr
German
http://aps.toshiba-tro.de/bluetooth/pages/disclaimer.php?dt=bts&download=4gr
Italian
http://aps.toshiba-tro.de/bluetooth/pages/disclaimer.php?dt=bts&download=4it
Japanese
http://aps.toshiba-tro.de/bluetooth/pages/disclaimer.php?dt=bts&download=4jp
Spanish
http://aps.toshiba-tro.de/bluetooth/pages/disclaimer.php?dt=bts&download=4sp
Just Remember to Let Me Know :wink:

Is there A2DP and AVRCP support?

dmitry1972 said:
Is there A2DP and AVRCP support?
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This one is rather old Toshiba's proprietary BT stack. nothing good. I have used it with my TOSHIBA E800 + TOSHIBA SD BT card combo 2 years ago. And had many problems with it. Anyway.
here is some info for you:
Profiles supported by your Toshiba Pocket PC
Headset Profile
Serial Port Profile
Dial-up Networking Profile
Object Push Profile File
Transfer Profile
LAN Access Profile
Personal Area Networking Profile
General Access Profile
Bluetooth specification
V1.2 Not compatible with Bluetooth V1.0B
devices.
as you can see - this one is not even BT 2.0 compliant.

do you mean that it's a useless software
what about blueSoleil, bluetooth adds..... and other softwares
comparing to that which one is better, :?: :?:
and i've sayed that it worked well on my i-mate jam. i don't know what about other devices.

Hi,
i'm testing the bluesoleil stack (bluesoleil_r2.arm with switch from this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=36395)
since 2 weeks on my magician (qtek s100 rom 1.12 FR , radio 1.13) and i'm very happy with it;
PAN network works fine for accessing my LAN (files, internet, activesync),
and file transfer with other mobiles works better (i didn't test others BT services like dun, fax...)
Just have to switch to ms stack for GPS use with my BT338 and TT6(very laggy with bluesoleil stack)
Regards.
Sk