I had an installation of Odyssey GPS software go horribly awry last night. Ever since then, a process called "Installation" runs with a blank white screen (between top & bottom blue menu bars) after every soft reset, and the machine slows to about 10% speed.
The process is NOT visible in Settings/System/Memory/Running Programs, nor can I find "Installation" on the device. Killing the process via Magic Button (is there an easier way?) speeds the machine up to about 40% speed, but it's still DEAD SLOW, and it will run again after the next reset.
Clearly, something is auto-launching and running, but what tool can I use to find and destroy it? Thanks for any insight! Cheers,
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[...snip...]Clearly, something is auto-launching and running, but what tool can I use to find and destroy it?
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Well, evidently no one else knew any more than I did, so I researched it the pains-taking way (reviewed every file with a modify date/time >= the installation date/time) and determined that the installation had left an alias to Wceload.exe in the \Windows\Startup folder...removing that alias resolved ALL the problems!
Y'all should be ashamed...I'm a Mac guy, and I figgered it out myself! Cheers,
glad you got it fixed, man.
this is a forum though, you need to give it some time, especially as people from loads of different timezones are members. for example, in my timezone your original post was at 10:36pm and your second at 7:24am. you need to give people a chance to wake up!
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glad you got it fixed, man.
this is a forum though, you need to give it some time, especially as people from loads of different timezones are members. for example, in my timezone your original post was at 10:36pm and your second at 7:24am. you need to give people a chance to wake up!
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No, no! You need more Java, you need to drink more coffee so you can keep up with ALL time zones!
Interestingly, the installation of Voice Command (and I notice you have it too) did the SAME THING, and it's fresh (1.6, November 2006) from Micro$loth! Any idea what that file is, why it's put there, and why it locks up my device? Must I expect this problem with EVERY install? (Haven't tried it yet, so don't even know whether it will work....)
Oh, and thanks for your response! Cheers,
MSDN says this about WCELOAD.EXE:
The Wceload tool (Wceload.exe) runs on your target device. You typically use this tool to install a .cab file to a location that you select on the target device. Most .cab files are configured to enable the user to select the destination volume where the .cab file will be installed, either \Device or \Storage Card. However, you can choose to suppress the destination volume selection prompt and install the .cab file to a default location, specified in the .inf file used to create the .cab file.
Typically, you do not directly call Wceload. Instead, Wceload is called programmatically by other programs to install .cab files. For example, if you use File Explorer to view and open a .cab file, Shell automatically invokes Wceload for installation of the .cab file.
Why WCELOAD.EXE was put into your Startup folder is anyone's guess, but I'd hazard that it's there to do a "cleanup" of sorts after the first reset.
Why it's still there, and causing a slowdown, I don't know. Perhaps you have some other previously-installed someftware that clogged up the WCELOAD.EXE cleanup-works, and each successive installation is just being held up by that?
Did you reset with the stylus, or a software reset?
Bear in mind, the above are just idle thoughts going through my mind.
gibhenry said:
No, no! You need more Java, you need to drink more coffee so you can keep up with ALL time zones!
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Coffee or even strong cola makes me shake. No, seriously, it's unpleasant. My body DOES NOT like caffeine! Looks like normal sleep patterns for me!
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Why WCELOAD.EXE was put into your Startup folder is anyone's guess, but I'd hazard that it's there to do a "cleanup" of sorts after the first reset.
Why it's still there, and causing a slowdown, I don't know. Perhaps you have some other previously-installed someftware that clogged up the WCELOAD.EXE cleanup-works, and each successive installation is just being held up by that?
Did you reset with the stylus, or a software reset?
Bear in mind, the above are just idle thoughts going through my mind.
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I appreciate your insight! I agree it's probably there to clean up; however, the odd thing is that the "swimming in glue" problem shows up at the end of the install, the install appears NOT to complete, and innumerable stylus-induced soft resets still cause "Installation" to launch and produce the glacial slowdown. The file itself lives in \Windows; it's the link to it in the Startup folder that seems to be the key. Perhaps it's it's being called twice...?
There's a a review of the Odyssey GPS software with which I first encountered the problem, and the reviewer ALSO encountered the problem (he didn't identify Wceload.exe as the problem, just said that only a HARD reset fixed it). Meanwhile, I've found one or two other instances of folks having a problem with this file, yet presumably the majority of folks do not. Something to do, perhaps, with the device itself--firmware version or configuration maybe? It's a mystery! Cheers,
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I'm just a newbie here on the board as well as a user of an O2 XDAII.
I would just like to ask if anybody have made a stop-watch or timer software that could be installed on the XDAII?
Thanks in advance.
Yes, actually I have as my first attemt at a .Net CF application.
It is a very simple stopwatch/strokecount application. If you want it, I can upload it.
That was a quick reply... please do upload it. If it is not a hassle, can you also indicate on how do I load it....I am really very new with my new toy..it's too high tech for my existing knowledge. TIA Kim
Now, as you will be able to see, it is an application in a very rough stage. AND there is a little thing that is not implemented (Save splits).
What you do is you unpack the zip file to a folder on your harddrive. Then you uploade the exefile to your XDA II using ActiveSync and Explore. (You just press the explore button in ActiveSync and you can copy/paste the .exe file to your device there.)
You can put the exefile anywhere, but you have to your Explore on your XDA II to execute the file. (I think you can make the program show in programs by placing a link in the \Windows\Start Menu\Programs folder)
Now, in order to use the app, here is a little explanation of the buttons.
Time gives you the pace of your presses. You have to press this button 3 times before you get a result. It gives you the number of presses you would have if you continued for 1 minute. (Used in rowing and swimming)
Then you have your start/stop button, and a split button. And the reset, just clears the boxes. Unfortunatly I have not made it pause. When you stop the watch, it starts from 0. This will be in another release
Hope you can use it, and do not hesitate to come with some surgestions.
Oh, and by the way, if you have .Net framework 1.1 installed on your pc, you can try out the application on that too....
You can also try these freewares:
Pocket Counter
StopTime
You may find them in the PocketPCFreewares site
tnx to you two
I don't know what else you are adding to the app but I would suggest button mapping.
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I would just like to ask if anybody have made a stop-watch or timer software that could be installed on the XDAII?
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You could look at Spb Time - multiple up and down timers, very nice.
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I don't know what else you are adding to the app but I would suggest button mapping.
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Actually that was part of my first alpha version made in eVC++ 4.0. But after switching over to C# and .Net I haven't gotten around to it. BUT it is going to be in there.
anyone know a stopwatch for the wizard - supporting wm5?
thx
I just noticed, i was looking through the windows folder and i found the filed i wanted to rename to force it to fail loading for a test,
using resco i cleared the readonly flag.
i renamed the file
within 2 seconds the screen refreshed and the original file was there again aswell as the renamed one.
this is similar to xp's prefetch where you can delete system specific files and it will replace them itself, in theory delete the windows folder and it will rebuild itself back to a working system, i went through it on a W2003 Advanced Server course aswell.
if this repairing action could be halted, it would open the devices modding capabilities somewhat.
This is NOT prefetch.
Prefetch is when windows loads some programs into ram ready to run them at boot time. This means its quicker to run word etc when you choose it, so booting takes longer and running word is quicker.
and in theory, if you delete the windows folder, it will be deleted and windows will quickly crash, and not boot again.
It does NOT have the power to re-create copies of deleted files from nowhere!
This magical self generation of windows files is not taught on "W2003 Advanced Server course" or any other, I suggest you ask for your money back.
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Pyrofer, thanx for the well needed humour, u made me laugh with your comments.
You are thinking about the System File Checker thingy. On Windows (not on WM5) there is a directory with a copy of all the system files. If you replace or delete a system file then windows picks up on it and restores the file. As Pyrofer said, its not magical and its not prefetch
Paul
Pyrofer, I think you should get some facts straight before typing,
as a test for me, check you got system restore running, go into your windows installation folder and MOVE notepad.exe to somewhere else, low and behold notepad.exe reappears in the windows installation folder.
http://www.theeldergeek.com/system_volume_information_folder1.htm
That link may educate you a little more
or this one
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/309531
have you been on any computer courses, maybe you should, as its obvious you know very little about modern operating systems, I may have got the prefetch incorrectly named and should have been clearly explained to the now obvious non technical network engineer, but atleast i know what the systems are capable of.
If WM5 is using the extended_rom as the system restore like and this can be stopped, alot of tidying up from the windows folder will make more ram avaliable
This magical self generation of windows files is not taught on "W2003 Advanced Server course" or any other, I suggest you ask for your money back.
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Have you done the course? maybe you should and you'll find out yourself that windows is more capable than you think.
GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE SHOOTING PEOPLE DOWN IN FLAMES TW4T
System Restore / System Volume Information has nothing to do with the system file protection feature you are describing. They are 2 entirely seperate things. The feature you are actually taking about is described here;
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=222193
WM5 does not have either of these features, the extended rom only contains OEM cab files and operator settings, WM5 has no advanced features like this at all.
There are a number of possible explanations, rom files cannot be deleted, but some can be masked by another file of the same name, you can then delete or rename the 2nd file exposing the 1st file in rom. I have seen this behaviour in WM2003.
Paul
thanks psneddon, thats the system i was trying to find the name of, if that can be stopped from happening.
Thanks for having a go at my knowledge, its always nice to see that you did exactly what you accused me of...
"System Restore / System Volume Information has nothing to do with the system file protection feature you are describing. They are 2 entirely seperate things"
And you agreed with this comment, ie, admitted that in your correction of your post, where you slagged me off, you still got it wrong.
So, in two posts you got them both wrong, in my post i stated a list of correct facts. I never said there was no feature to restore wnidows files, i said that it wasnt prefetch and it wasnt.
ALso, I wasnt "BEFORE SHOOTING PEOPLE DOWN IN FLAMES " and using all caps to shout, I was simply trying to point out your mistakes in a humerous way, obviously my humour went over your head.
I didnt flame you, or call you a twat.
Im sorry if I managed to offend you and understand that humour is a very subjective thing, at least one person here got the joke, so lets just end it here please.
I accept your apology, maybe some smileys around the humor parts would help me a little :lol: and maybe i did fly off the handle a little after nearlly getting killed on my way to work this morning. :roll:
WFP ( Windows File Protection ) does exist, ive now researched into it a little and its been around for a while, and you can delete the contents of the windows folder or system32 and it will replace it all (windows o/s related anyway).
What i was implying was that the universal could be using a similar system to this, ie, getting missing files from the rom and putting them back, and like WFP, this comes with an overhead on performance as it has to continually monitor specific folders for the changes.
I know replacing a file with a blank renamed file blocks this from happening but this can cause issues down the line, like replacing the imate today skins, yer renaming txt files and replacing them stops them from being recreated, but you can still choose them in the today skin manager.
Anyway i've had enough caffine now, lets get the Univeral up to the standards that the advertising led us to believe.
I did about 3 hard reset to the phone (for testing purposes), and all the sudden the myfavs program does not appear after I did the hard reset the 4th time, I did the hard reset about 2 more times and it did not restore the myfavs program (it suppose to back to its factory settings)
Now I keep getting "your myfaves contacts have been restored" text message every time time I turn on the phone (keeps pilling up with this same text message)which your suppose to only get once.
under the memory setting; storage & program seems to have the exactly same file size as when i had myfavs before.
What can I do? all I want is the default factory settings.. help me.
Hah! You survived longer than I did with it. I hard reset once just to clean my phone up before I started messing with anything (messing with the ROM, etc.) and the MyFaves app disappeared completely from the little tray bar at the bottom and the Today Screen.
Interestingly if you dig around with the file browser in the \windows\ directory I can see all the MyFav5 related applications, but nothing launches.
I'm tempted to try the RUU but to be honest the MyFaves program just ate a ton of memory and resulted in me calling people on accident when I had the Today Screen Plug-in active. So as long as the plan still gets accounted correctly (read as: I don't get charged for calling my 5 people),I don't really care.
I thought I'd let you know you aren't the only one out there with the exact same problem. I would like a solution but it isn't mission critical for me.
I found a solution to your problem. I'll do some more testing later. For now:
Could you look in your \Windows\ directory of your phone and tell me what "My*" applications and files are listed there? (You might have to make the basic file explorer show all files by using Menu>Show All Files).
All the "My" files that are in windows directory (revised & no file missing or mistyped). The some files are repeated to I placed the filesize next to them.
My5_Land
My5_Land.swf.0409
My5_Port.swf.0409
My5app
My5Client
My5ControllerPanelPlugin
My5MsgCenter 138k
My5MsgCenter 30b
My5PimProvider
My5service
My5Today_MaskCircle
My5Today_MaskRing
MyFave
MyFaves 19.1k
MyFaves 29b
MyFaves_add
MyFaves_hourglass
MyFaves_PhCDefault
MyFaves_sihouette
MyFavesApp_3DMask
MyFavesApp_74x743DMask
MyFavesApp_ContactMask
MyFaves-plugin
MyFavTodayPlugin
Myinfo.96
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All the "My" files that are in windows directory (revised & no file missing or mistyped). The some files are repeated to I placed the filesize next to them.
My5_Land
My5_Land.swf.0409
My5_Port.swf.0409
My5app
My5Client
My5ControllerPanelPlugin
My5MsgCenter 138k
My5MsgCenter 30b
My5PimProvider
My5service
My5Today_MaskCircle
My5Today_MaskRing
MyFave
MyFaves 19.1k
MyFaves 29b
MyFaves_add
MyFaves_hourglass
MyFaves_PhCDefault
MyFaves_sihouette
MyFavesApp_3DMask
MyFavesApp_74x743DMask
MyFavesApp_ContactMask
MyFaves-plugin
MyFavTodayPlugin
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My5Service.exe is the key application. I wanted to make sure you had all the bits to the MyFaves program. The reason you see duplicate names with different file sizes is that the File Explorer program that you have on your hand held suppresses extensions of files for whatever idea.
Now then to fix your problem you are going to need to edit the registry of your device (I used total commander, the .CAB is in one of the Useful cab threads).
A key is missing from the registry after hard reset. WOO!!
Go to \\registry\\HKLM\init\ (using total commander's akward directory structure style)
You then have to add a new key, I used "Launch94" as I was noticing most of the T-Mo crapware was using the Launch9# series of keys
Then edit the key's data to be: My5Service.exe (Must be spelled correctly)
Basically what you did was add in a registry key that tells windows to load up the MyFaves service at boot so all the my faves apps will initialize properly. Putting My5Service.exe into the \windows\startup\ folder doesn't work (I tried it initially).
Soft reset and the phone will act wonky for a second as it is refreshing itself, don't panic. A box popped up saying "MyFaves display set to ON" and all was well at that point.
Then, since you want factory default I'd just remove Total Commander using the add/remove programs feature.
Good lookin out!!!
thanks alot, it did it and it worked.
I made an attemp to reformat the phone again, and myfavs appeared. Funny How I never managed to get that total commander for this phone. Lol im an experience user with registries (now gonna experiment with the register editor an tweak the phone to make phone faster and remove useless I don't need)
Thanks lot you have been helpful and gave fast support!!
Ah well no insult to your ability or experience was meant. I try to be as specific in my write ups as possible so others who might have the same problem can understand the solution, regardless of ability. Tends to make my life at work a lot easier when I do that so it's become a bit of a habit.
Glad it worked for ya and I'm actually surprised it survived another format. But hey all it says is there is some glitchy code in the re-install portion T-Mo has built.
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(now gonna experiment with the register editor an tweak the phone to make phone faster and remove useless I don't need)
Thanks lot you have been helpful and gave fast support!!
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By the way, let me know what tweaks you try. I'd be interested in them myself.
Good seeing people help each other out. The speed tweaks are everywhere, but to remove things you have to recook and flash your phone. (Alternatively, you can flash one of the many available ROMs our cooks have already made or made a custom one based on my own through the link on my signature.)
i got a quick Question how about trying to add it to a already cooked rom is that possible ? bc i love the PDAVIET-ROM BUILD 20931.1.5.0.PV(uploaded) rom but the myfaves tab dont work
does anyone have the my faves.cab?
I Want To Know IF There Is Any Way That I Can Hide Programs Or Mask Them SO That They Don't Show Up On The Programs List And Also Hide Any Files Associated With The Program
HELP
Any Help Please
It's difficult to answer without knowing what you are trying to accomplish. Why would you want to hide programs on your own phone?
Anyway, your best luck will be with small programs, the kind that run as a single executable, that you can put somewhere on the SD card.
Im Sure Im Not The Only One With These Issues
My Girlfriend Was Always Questioning Me About Why I Always Kept My Phone Locked And Would Not Answer It When I Was Around Her So I Put A Program Called Magicall On My Phone I Don't Know If Your Familiar With That But You Can Screen Certain Calls Well As She Always Does Whenever I Leave My Phone Unlocked She Went Thru It When I Was In The Shower She Saw The Program But Couldn't Get Into It Sp She Went On The Internet To Find Out What It Was And Then She Wanted To Know Why It Was On My Phone And We've Been Arguing Ever Since So Please Help Me Id You Can It Would Be Much Appreciated Thank You In Advance
I don't have a technical answer..sounds more like it's a trust issue. Besides locking the phone, only thing I can think of is install on sd...but then you have to remember to remove the sd card when you put the phone down.
If this was a pc, I'd say install the private stuff on an encrypted volume like TrueCrypt. Not sure if there's anything like that for ppc.
This would probably work...
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-freeotfe4pda-v3-00.html
But I'm telling you, it will be a real PITA to manage a setup like this. Methinks it would be easier to just get straight with the gf, but I know very little.
i tried to download the program but it said that it was not a valid ppc application any more suggestions
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This would probably work...
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-freeotfe4pda-v3-00.html
But I'm telling you, it will be a real PITA to manage a setup like this. Methinks it would be easier to just get straight with the gf, but I know very little.
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Here is a solution if you are not trying to be open with gf:
Have the program cab on sd card renamed to something that would never be used by gf, such as erasememory.cab. Use program when you need it. I don't think this will work if you are trying to use a program to keep her from finding out about other gf, you may want to use the thing from Men in Black that erases her memory.
The program from earlier, or some other virtual encryption device may work, but you may have issues due to the fact that you are running a program tied into so many others (phone, sms, etc). You may make your phone pretty unstable.
Why don't you tell her that you accidently replied to a text that sent you spam messages and you were trying some freeware program to block, or that you were getting a call from some random number that was harrassing you and you were trying this program to see if it would stop the calls. You gotta think on your feet if you are going to prevent the ***** session after she found out. Careful if she pulls the verizon/sprint bill and checks sms/calls.
if what im trying to do is not possible then is there anyway to change the icon or mask the program im up for any suggestions right now other than being honest cause I love my women
"i tried to download the program but it said that it was not a valid ppc application any more suggestions"
exe files in general are install ment to be run on the pc with the pda connected not directly on the pda!
about hiding programs then
\windows\start menu\programs and remove the shortcut goes along way
after I deleted the shortcut I tried going into my documents to open the program but it didn't open is there another way to open it also I tried changing the name of the program with this method and it worked but is there a way I can change the icon because that would be perfect thanks for your input it is much APPRECIATED and if there's anything I can help you with let me know
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after I deleted the shortcut I tried going into my documents to open the program but it didn't open is there another way to open it also I tried changing the name of the program with this method and it worked but is there a way I can change the icon because that would be perfect thanks for your input it is much APPRECIATED and if there's anything I can help you with let me know
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Here is how you mask the icon.
Use total commander and navigate to Windows/Start Menu/Programs and find that .lnk file: delete it.
Find another .lnk file and copy to pasteboard. Go to another folder and paste it there (just as long as the other folder doesn't have the same link). Go into properties of that copied link and click on shortcut tab at the top. In the target field, click on File and navigate to Program Files/(DIRECTORY OF YOUR PROGRAM)/(EXECUTABLE FILE THAT OPENS YOUR PROGRAM) and click OK. Click File/Rename and call it something benign or something she wont click (like Erase Phone Memory).
You will then cut to pasteboard and navigate back to Windows/Start Menu/Programs and paste that file. You will then use that file to start the program. You could also change the name of the directory folder in program files if she knows how to navigate around in total commander/ file explorer. It will still show up in task manager as what it is though, and same goes for x button/ pocket plus.
Thanks Got It You Just Helped Me Take My Relationships To A Whole New Level
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Thanks Got It You Just Helped Me Take My Relationships To A Whole New Level
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Glad to help you be so devious. Happy mongering.
Hello,
Earlier today, I copied a file named AVATOR.PNG into the \Windows folder of my HTC Touch HD (running Grzegorz10s custom Dusk ROM). The file was meant to replace an existing Avator.png file. (The graphics file is part of a skinned Manila 2.5 installation, but that's beside the point.) I ended up with two separate files in \Windows; one named AVATOR.PNG and the other named Avator.png.
At this point, I can't remove either file, nor can I change their file properties. A few days ago (before doing a task 29 and reflashing the ROM to improve device performance), I could replace the packaged file without problem. The procedure at that time was simply to stop HTC Sense from the list of Home Screen items, remove the read only attribute of Avator.png, and overwrite it with another graphic with the same name.
This time, I apparently didn't pay enough attention to upper and lower case characters.... To view the symptoms and issue, please refer to this YouTube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMQkgENs0DA
Can anybody help me out? I could always reflash the ROM but it seems like too much work for something this "simple."
Thanks,
Svein
ok, you already wrote, you will care for case sentitivity next time, so no lecturing there
these might sound stupid, but have you tried, either renaming AVATOR.png (the one you copied there, if i'm not mistaking) to Avator.png (should either ask to overwrite or at least give another error) or something completely unrelated (to get rid of the conflict)?
can you maybe move that file to, say, my documents\ and delete it there?
the only other things, that would come to mind would be to write a script to delete that one file and run it in startup, before anything else starts, or in a UC environment, where also nearly everything else is stopped, but to be honest, you should rather perform a hard reset, much faster.
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ok, you already wrote, you will care for case sentitivity next time, so no lecturing there
these might sound stupid, but have you tried, either renaming AVATOR.png (the one you copied there, if i'm not mistaking) to Avator.png (should either ask to overwrite or at least give another error) or something completely unrelated (to get rid of the conflict)?
can you maybe move that file to, say, my documents\ and delete it there?
the only other things, that would come to mind would be to write a script to delete that one file and run it in startup, before anything else starts, or in a UC environment, where also nearly everything else is stopped, but to be honest, you should rather perform a hard reset, much faster.
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Thanks, Tony. Yeah, the case sensitivity is a given - my bad. And I will likely opt for a hard reset. I had *really* looked forward to not having to reconfigure my device again, now that I finally found a ROM that I thoroughly enjoy, but alas... The files are locked (can't move, delete, or change attributes no matter what...)
Googled "UC environment" with both HTC and windows mobile as keywords and came up with Unified Communication. Is that the right way to go or did I just blow my cover and will get tossed outta here as the functional, non-techie user that I just professed to be?
by UC, i was referring to the automatic customizations (formerly known as EXTROM), run after a hard reset or through an automatic installer integrated in many roms, i saw it as XDA_UC or Cloudy AutoInstall. Because the purpose of these automatic customizations are to install settings (mms, internet) or skins and wallpapers, usually done by your carrier, when running this setup, all connections are cut, all apps are shut down and only a basic windows mobile is running (also sense is shut down).
these autoinstallers can use cab or xml or mortscript files, but setting up a mortscript to try and delete a file, when you've never done it before, probably takes longer than hard resetting and setting up your device again. yet, you can make use of autoinstallers to get all your programs up and running, sync with myphone, and all that is left to do is make some basic settings like owner information. usually that should take less than an hour, that way, being much faster than searching solutions for several days
This software worked for me - dublicatefilesdeleter.com