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AKU 3.3 PAN Now Works With Mac 10.4.9 Update...

I was testing out the 10.4.9 Update that Apple released yesterday on my Macbook and noticed that a "Join Network on..." option now appears in the Bluetooth dropdown menu. Having already confirmed that the MissingSync trick works with USB I decided to try BT. I had to delete the pairing of my 8252 running the unreleased Cingular ROM b/c of some other issues that I created when trying to set up COM ports -- not sure if others will have to do this to get the Mac to see the phone as a PAN-able device. As soon as I added the phone is added to the Pairing List there is a message that "Personal Area Networking" service is enabled.
So, I went into the Internet Sharing app on the 8525, set the Mode to Bluetooth PAN, hit "Connect", and then used the Mac BT menu selection for "Join Network on <<device name>>". A few seconds later I had a 192.168.0.x IP and I confirmed connectivity with a speakeasy speedtest of 396/312. FWIW, the connection was made via the MediaNet connection (called Cingular GPRS on my phone) and I will be testing with a connection type that uses isp.cingular.com as the connection server at some point tonight.
Although the speed is not the best, I am quite glad to see that I have another connection option available in case of emergency.

I can confirm this works! Speed was 300/275 via BT PAN, then I plugged the USB cable in and got speeds of 905/318 (Speakeasy speed test). I'm in Sacramento (HSDPA) via the MediaNet wap.cingular APN. Looks like the BT 2.0 craps out at 300kbps.
My steps (I had a few extra to add to yours)
-I unpaired the devices on both the phone AND the MacBook
-Paired the devices FROM THE MACBOOK (Laptop sees that PAN is available)
-Unpaired the laptop ON THE PHONE side
-Paired the devices FROM THE PHONE (Connect via Bluetooth in the ActiveSync program)
I had to do the last two steps because when I paired from the laptop, the phone did not pick up the ActiveSync service, and so Missing Sync wouldn't sync via BT. Pairing from the phone side through the ActiveSync program fixed that up, and the laptop didn't need to make any changes so the PAN was still there.
Maybe if you pair from the phone first, you can avoid the last two steps? I'm not going to risk breaking my working setup to test it though. ;-)
Syncs via BT, and does PAN via BT now! Good thing you had to re-pair the devices =)

What Macbook are you using this on?
I can't seem to find the option on mine. (Core1 Macbook)
I'm trying the combo update in case something got missed in the diff update.

I'm using a 1st gen MacBook and cannot get Bluetooth PAN to work. Maybe for some reason this is only supported on the new 2nd gen MacBooks?
--Andrew

I don't think there's a difference in the bluetooth between the CDuo and C2D. (The wifi chip is different, but I think the bluetooth chip should be the same)
I do have a C2D though. All I can suggest is to unpair the devices from each other and try starting the pairing from the laptop again :-\
For reference, I used the diff updater (not the combo).

I've now tried this from both a C2D iMac and a CD MacBook - same result: no Bluetooth PAN. Perhaps something is messed up on my 8525, although the services listed for the device in Bluetooth preferences on the Macs list "Personal Ad-hoc Network" as one of the services. I just can't get my Macs to connect.
As to the update method, I've tried installing the combo updater on the MacBook to see if that made any differences (after initially downloading the update through Software Update) and haven't seen any difference.
--Andrew

Alright, so I am a complete newb...
Ive gotten a WM6 firmware on the 8525 now, and the 10.4.9 update on my mac.
What is AKU 3.3? I found the directions for installing it, but it seems to talk about some distribution of WM5?
So... onto my stupid questions: What does AKU stand for, how is it differnet from the OS, and where do I find version 3.3 of whatever AKU is.
According to the thread on installing AKU, the LVWM WM6 flash that I am using has AKU 0.0.
Sorry for the newbieness

just installed the update and re-paired the devices- it works great, even with my old g4 12" alu powerbook. thanks for posting this!

Is there any program that can make the PocketPC as a Access point, so we don't need the USB cable or Bluetooth PAN. Just a plain Access point from 3G?

unusedusername said:
Alright, so I am a complete newb...
Sorry for the newbieness
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OK.. in an answer to my own question, AKU 3.3 seems to be some part of a WM5 ROM.
There are some images in the wiki that have AKU 3.3, and thusly work with in a PAN with my Macbook (yay!).
Is there anyone who got this working with any WM6 image?

I'm thinking you still need missing sync to accomplish this trick...because I'm not seeing the "Join network on..." option pop up and my C2D 15" MBP. Oh well...I sure was hoping that this would work...but I guess not.

Missing Sync not the answer
I have Missing Sync installed, and it doesn't allow me to use Bluetooth PAN. It may be a WM6 thing (I have WM6 installed), even though the Bluetooth PAN works fine from Boot Camp.
--Andrew

I have it working, but I am on WM5. cmascatello, are you also on WM5?

mcsegeek said:
I'm thinking you still need missing sync to accomplish this trick...because I'm not seeing the "Join network on..." option pop up and my C2D 15" MBP. Oh well...I sure was hoping that this would work...but I guess not.
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This is definitely not true. It is an Apple provided service. You have to enable internet sharing on the mobile before you try to pair it to the Mac, otherwise the Mac won't see the service.

chenga said:
I have it working, but I am on WM5. cmascatello, are you also on WM5?
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8525, WM5 Cingular pre-release ROM. My Macbook is a 2.0GHZ Black Core Duo with 2GB RAM and the Mac Pro 802.11n card installed (not that it matters). Also, FWIW, I do not have Internet Sharing enabled on the Mac -- you do have to connect from the phone Internet Sharing app. However, PAN option in the BT menu drop-down is always present now on my machine.

I am using a Dopod CHT9000 with the HTC WWE test ROM. MacBook Pro 17" C2D. The "Join network on <devicename>" option is also always in the BT menu on my Mac.
I just tested it out again, and the option to "Join network on <devicename>" in the Mac's bluetooth menu was grayed out. A reboot of OS X solved that and I was able to use bluetooth PAN again. If you can't get it to work, you may want to try rebooting.
Things to remember
-Re-pair devices to ensure that OS X 10.4.9 saw that PAN was available
-Be sure to use the "Internet Sharing" app (Start Menu->Programs) on the phone set to Bluetooth PAN
-Reboot OS X (Maybe soft reset the phone?)

I do not have Missing Sync and it is working.
The key is the ROM. I tried about 10 different ones before I found one that works. The latest Cingular test ROM from the wiki works...
Download link from the wiki...
Here is my data from Bluetooth->Prefrences
Device Name: PhonePOD
Device Address: xx-xx-xx-xx-xx-xx
Device Type: Computer
Device Services: Service Discovery, A2DP, Voice Gateway, Voice Gateway, Network Access Point, Audio Video Remote Control Profile
"Network access point" is what you need. "Adhoc Personal Networking" is not good enough it seems.

Maybe that's it...I'm using the WM6 Black Edition V1.1 and I'm lovin it...except for the stress of trying to get this thing working! Maybe it's just not compatible Maybe the new 1.2 jasjamming says is coming tomorrow will help out!

I definitely do NOT have it on my Macbook. I DID reboot it.
The weird thing is that the Mac will show you (in the overview of BT devices) the services a device offers, and it DOES list PAN as an service offered by the Tytn. However, when I then click on "Configure device" the ONLY service that it actually offers (box to check) is "use this device as a headset".
I am stumped.
chenga said:
I am using a Dopod CHT9000 with the HTC WWE test ROM. MacBook Pro 17" C2D. The "Join network on <devicename>" option is also always in the BT menu on my Mac.
I just tested it out again, and the option to "Join network on <devicename>" in the Mac's bluetooth menu was grayed out. A reboot of OS X solved that and I was able to use bluetooth PAN again. If you can't get it to work, you may want to try rebooting.
Things to remember
-Re-pair devices to ensure that OS X 10.4.9 saw that PAN was available
-Be sure to use the "Internet Sharing" app (Start Menu->Programs) on the phone set to Bluetooth PAN
-Reboot OS X (Maybe soft reset the phone?)
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nispen said:
I definitely do NOT have it on my Macbook. I DID reboot it.
The weird thing is that the Mac will show you (in the overview of BT devices) the services a device offers, and it DOES list PAN as an service offered by the Tytn. However, when I then click on "Configure device" the ONLY service that it actually offers (box to check) is "use this device as a headset".
I am stumped.
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Open System Preferences > Network and see if it offers you a new network port. Be sure to enable sharing on the device too.

Tether Windows Mobile 6 and Linux WITH USB NOT BT[SOLVED]

SOLVED: USE USB-RNDIS-LITE FROM SYNCE'S WEBSITE
Now that the wmodem app has been pushed out in favor of 'internet sharing', how can we do this? I notice that the wmodem app still exists on my phone ( ppc 6800) but when i tap to open it nothing happens.
I have been playing around, and getting desperate here, since I seem to be the only one interested. They figured out the iphone in a matter of a week or so!
I was thinking maybe it was possible using the iphone technique by setting up a proxy on the phone and doing it via wifi, but the siftware is missing.
The only hope that I have now is to maybe utilize the program 'synce' to accomplish this. Since I heard pdanet tethers through an activesync connection (which is what synce does), maybe it'd be a matter of a few 'route' and 'iptables' commands.
One other note, my phone is recognized as different things depending on what option I have set in 'connections>usb to pc' with 'advanced network functionality' set to off, the ipaq driver gets loaded and this is how i can use synce. With the box checked it shows up as an eethernet rndis device and cdc_ether and rndis_host modules are loaded. however, when i turn on the internet sharing app it gets recognized as a whole different UNKNOWN device. Im thinking a patch to the right mmodules might fix this, and i'm not using the module usb-rndis-lite because it never worked for me, even though i saw a patch for that module that does just that, make the system recognize it as an ethernet device.
Someone else chime in here, I cant be the only linux enthusiast with a cell phone out there. We dont ALL live in the parents basement
I HAD TO EDIT TO SPECIFY I NEED A USB SOLUTION AND NOT BLUETOOTH

watson540 said:
Now that the wmodem app has been pushed out in favor of 'internet sharing', how can we do this? I notice that the wmodem app still exists on my phone ( ppc 6800) but when i tap to open it nothing happens.
I have been playing around, and getting desperate here, since I seem to be the only one interested. They figured out the iphone in a matter of a week or so!
I was thinking maybe it was possible using the iphone technique by setting up a proxy on the phone and doing it via wifi, but the siftware is missing.
The only hope that I have now is to maybe utilize the program 'synce' to accomplish this. Since I heard pdanet tethers through an activesync connection (which is what synce does), maybe it'd be a matter of a few 'route' and 'iptables' commands.
One other note, my phone is recognized as different things depending on what option I have set in 'connections>usb to pc' with 'advanced network functionality' set to off, the ipaq driver gets loaded and this is how i can use synce. With the box checked it shows up as an eethernet rndis device and cdc_ether and rndis_host modules are loaded. however, when i turn on the internet sharing app it gets recognized as a whole different UNKNOWN device. Im thinking a patch to the right mmodules might fix this, and i'm not using the module usb-rndis-lite because it never worked for me, even though i saw a patch for that module that does just that, make the system recognize it as an ethernet device.
Someone else chime in here, I cant be the only linux enthusiast with a cell phone out there. We dont ALL live in the parents basement
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To quote Sherlock Holmes...."Elementary Watson"...you do a search.
I'll ignore the fact you posted the same thing in multiple places. I'll also ignore the fact you apparently can't be bothered to do a search on "linux internet sharing" and want someone else to do it for you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=319978&highlight=linux
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=318255&highlight=linux+internet+sharing
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324632

sorry to say, i've been googling this for weeks and it has eluded me. but thanks for the links, even though you decided to flame me. I'll check them out and report back if they work or not.
P.S. - I dont deny I also posted thisin the titan forum, I posted it here because obviously it gets more views here and it's not just a titan question.
Now lemme go see if any of your links actually work.. )
FIRST EDIT: Maybe I should have specified I need to do this via USB for 1: bluetooth is slower, when tethering to evdo, and 2: i dont have bluetooth.
My bad for not specifying but maybe you can be less snappy to me now. I imagine all your links are for bluetooth, i only checked out the first on so far, but we'll see. Im gonna edit my first post to say USB

watson540 said:
sorry to say, i've been googling this for weeks and it has eluded me. but thanks for the links, even though you decided to flame me. I'll check them out and report back if they work or not.
P.S. - I dont deny I also posted thisin the titan forum, I posted it here because obviously it gets more views here and it's not just a titan question.
Now lemme go see if any of your links actually work.. )
FIRST EDIT: Maybe I should have specified I need to do this via USB for 1: bluetooth is slower, when tethering to evdo, and 2: i dont have bluetooth.
My bad for not specifying but maybe you can be less snappy to me now. I imagine all your links are for bluetooth, i only checked out the first on so far, but we'll see. Im gonna edit my first post to say USB
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Good luck with that..to my knowledge the usb drivers to connect to wm6 under linux don't exist because the usb connection is totally different for usb internet sharing than it was for USB dun. WM6 has not been around long enough for many people under linux to fool with it. The only options I can think of off top of my head is to try to force ndiswrapper into using the drivers that come with activesync 4.5 (that's where you'll have to extract the windows drivers) or run vmware or virtualbox which can both pass usb devices to a vm and have the phone be used by XP inside a vm..then set the linux box to use the xp connection as a gateway..a kludgy hack at best.
While the theoretical top speeds of EVDO do outpace bluetooth none of the articles I've read indicated people in real life situations had been able to GET these speeds from their provider. If you can, more power to you. For my use of edge the $5 bluetooth dongle was alot easier.

I also had an idea to use ndiswrapper as well, wasnt real sure of the drivers to use. I was aware of the internet sharing app changing device id's and it not acting as a modem.
But, as you'll see in my first post, the phone is recognized as a usb rndis device. you can see this by looking at the tail of dmesg. It's just that when you start the internet sharing app, the phone changes its device id again. Also as I already stated, there is a patch for the usb-rndis-lite driver that comes with synce, that supposedly makes the box recognize it as an ethernet device while in internet sharing mode, so maybe its a matter of putting some device id's into cdc_ether.ko or corresponding module.
Another idea, would be to somehow get the wmodem app working on the phone itself, as I said it's still there in wm6, it just wont start. I have also seen in the phines registry plenty of reference to the phone acting as a modem so the framework is still there as well, ITs just a matter of getting the wmodem app going! Probably a registry key somewhere. In fact in the WMODEM registry key itself, the one you use to disable NAI, here is a key called WMODEMDUN, but every time i set it to one from the default zero it changes back. I hate to buy a bt adaptor for only this reason when i know there is an existing solution for usb out there, but yeah you're right..wm6 just hasnt been around long enough
So in short, with wm6 the phone emulates a usb rndis ethernet device instead of modem, it actually shows up as eth1 on my box, but when i start the internet sharing app the device id changes to an unknown one.
Also i wanted to add, I have definitely tether with xp and virtualbox easily, been doing that since i got the phone, so to anyine windering it's possible for sure. would be perfect if i could route that back to the host os.

watson540 said:
I also had an idea to use ndiswrapper as well, wasnt real sure of the drivers to use. I was aware of the internet sharing app changing device id's and it not acting as a modem.
But, as you'll see in my first post, the phone is recognized as a usb rndis device. you can see this by looking at the tail of dmesg. It's just that when you start the internet sharing app, the phone changes its device id again. Also as I already stated, there is a patch for the usb-rndis-lite driver that comes with synce, that supposedly makes the box recognize it as an ethernet device while in internet sharing mode, so maybe its a matter of putting some device id's into cdc_ether.ko or corresponding module.
Another idea, would be to somehow get the wmodem app working on the phone itself, as I said it's still there in wm6, it just wont start. I have also seen in the phines registry plenty of reference to the phone acting as a modem so the framework is still there as well, ITs just a matter of getting the wmodem app going! Probably a registry key somewhere. In fact in the WMODEM registry key itself, the one you use to disable NAI, here is a key called WMODEMDUN, but every time i set it to one from the default zero it changes back. I hate to buy a bt adaptor for only this reason when i know there is an existing solution for usb out there, but yeah you're right..wm6 just hasnt been around long enough
So in short, with wm6 the phone emulates a usb rndis ethernet device instead of modem, it actually shows up as eth1 on my box, but when i start the internet sharing app the device id changes to an unknown one.
Also i wanted to add, I have definitely tether with xp and virtualbox easily, been doing that since i got the phone, so to anyine windering it's possible for sure. would be perfect if i could route that back to the host os.
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You can route it back to the host by running a proxy and/or bridging the interfaces (virtual box.org has instructions on that).
Certain versions of AKU 3.0 and up come with a wmodem app that still has usb and infrared (not bluetooth) in addition to the internet sharing. They may still use the old method and you may be able to use them as a model to get it working on yours. If I remember correctly the NBD wizard rom had both internet sharing and a modem link application like that.
I can tell you this..DON'T try to flash a rom onto your phone using virtualbox.

I might try to route it through virtualbox then, for now. I did try to google that as well but i couldnt think of any defining keywords.
For now, flashing is out of the question,,, because my phone is CID LOCKED? I'm not so sure of the terminology cause i just got into pda's. But I know atm I cant flash anything that isnt signed by htc. Its only a matter of time i'm sure/hope.
In the meantime, hopefully people that are too cheap to buy a bt adaptor such as myself might figure out how to run the wmodem app that exists already on the phone

8525 USB Modem

My Hermes does not have the wireless modem program. Is there another way to Tether my Pocket PC to My Labtop. Or Is there a download to upgrade my Phone.

all of the information you need can be found here: http://pocketpccentral.net/help/cingular/8525_usb_modem.htm
Be sure to reboot your pc after installing the driver before you try to use it. (learned the hard way)

Start/Programs/Internet Sharing
The latest overhaul of the "Wireless Modem" program for tethering to your laptop also included a name change to "Internet Sharing".

Geia said:
My Hermes does not have the wireless modem program. Is there another way to Tether my Pocket PC to My Labtop. Or Is there a download to upgrade my Phone.
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The post above this is correct, it is now called "Internet Sharing" and is located in the "Programs" folder of newer 8525's. You should have two choices, either USB or Bluetooth. I've tried both and both work good. However, I recommend using the USB cable that came with your device as this provides faster access to the net. This will be especially true when you're out of the 3G network area and have to rely on Edge.

Activate PAM on computer....

ok want to be able to instead of going to comm manager on my phone, inet sharing, etc turn it on... i want to create a modem on my windows computer. This makes it Tons easier for eitehr BT or USB connection. (espeically in my car!!! I have a carpc...) how would i go about doing this....... i have the HTC touch and i have a BT or USB connection. I want to be able to turn it on or off, so i can get an incoming call in my car... how would i do this!!!!????

is this possible?

i mean when i had my VZW phone, it worked fine, but now.... like if i make a modem dial #777, the phone does not show up as a modem?

so no one knows how to make the WM phones act as a modem.. I mean programs like PDA net do it.. but i just want to do it through the windows modem option (it will work w/ my car pc prog... like the #777 dial and stuff..
yes i also have have a PAM plan, so i am paying for the service...

my final thought was possibly, like install HTC modem drivers, and do not install activesync.. THen when it connects, it reads as a modem, then setup like #777, but whre do i get the modem drivers?

This thread may help provide more information for you...

GENE - Internet access thru PC's Bluetooth Connection

I recently successful upgrade my GENE to WM 6.1 because i had many problems.
One of my problems is how to connect my GENE to my PC thru Bluetooth connection, my PC has WIFI connected to router at home.
i searched forums too much for accurate steps to do so, and i think it is a good idea to help all ppl here if i got a clear procedure to do so here.
Thanks in Advance.

I have no time to explain step-by-step here, but the first thing you have to do is make activesync works with bluetooth. When you are done, you could open PIE or opera and access the internet.

ramersonw said:
the first thing you have to do is make activesync works with bluetooth. When you are done, you could open PIE or opera and access the internet.
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Any how, i appreciate your reply.
i'll try to google about this solution.
thanks a ton

Its very easy. I do it all the time.
Make sure BT is on on both PC and phone.
open activesync on phone and right softkey-> connect via bluetooth.
if they aren't paired you'll get the standard pairing screen etc.
now, when pairing make sure activesync is open on the desktop. And make sure activesync-> connection settings on the PC has 'allow connection to one of the following set to the correct COM port for BT (mine is COM12) Ideally, after doing this right, you should have 'activesync' appear as one of the services that your desktop can provide via BT.
Accept and repeat the first step
Note: If you get a dialog asking if serial connection should be made then accept it. (will come on PC)
once connected go to activesync on the PC. In options, select 'The internet' as the network the PC is connected to.
Just play around with the basic settings.
One thing to note is that you might have to configure the COM port on activesync in the desktop.
I set the COM ports up once long ago (purely by trying every combo there was) and forgot exactly how. I think it'll vary from PC to PC. However, I've been re-pairing a lot over and over again cause I've been trying out a lot of different ROMs... And I've not needed to change the COM port settings even once.
Basically, all you need is to connect to activesync via BT and you'll be able to use you's PC's connection on the phone.
This is for XP btw. Vista is mostly similar. I think its more straightforward though... most of the things are done automatically.
Hope it helped

Ya, follow charge1313's advice and if you dont get internet access even after this, download the attached registry file and double click it on your PC and reboot. This will enable the functionality, sometimes it gets disabled specially if you install Windows Vista Service Pack 2.
Have Fun!

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Ya, follow charge1313's advice and if you dont get internet access even after this, download the attached registry file and double click it on your PC and reboot. This will enable the functionality, sometimes it gets disabled specially if you install Windows Vista Service Pack 2.
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WAY OFF TOPIC
@krazy:
When did SP2 get released ? Whats the size?

Addicted2xda said:
WAY OFF TOPIC
@krazy:
When did SP2 get released ? Whats the size?
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SP2 was released on 26 May to public. To get it, go here :
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/dd262148.aspx
Size depends on the download you choose, for 32bit machines its 348 MB in size.
Installing it freshened up my 1 year old Vista installation a bit, it became a little speedier. To tell you about the changes, the only thing i have noticed myself is the change of bluetooth stack to version 2.1 of bluetooth standard. The whole interface of bluetooth, the dialog boxes etc are also changed to a bit leaner looking ones

Both ways working .............
hmmmmmmmmmmmm Krazy/charge world