8525 - bad LCD. ::bummed:: - 8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General

Bought my 8525 last night, and despite my initial enthusiasm, it's already screwed up.
Take a look at the screenshots of the LCD (warning, large images):
Pocket IE showing bad LCD
Today screen, not as evident
Today screen, a little better photo
Sigh - I had been waiting on the phone, and now this.

total bummer dude,
I hate when this happens, it always happens to me.
For E.g.
Jasjam - stuffed stylus silo
Nokia GPS - Didnt charge
Blueant X5 - distorted left speaker
Asus S6F notebook - Keyboard Problem and touch pad problem
Nokia N73 - stuffed 3.2MP camera
and the list goes on....
My wife thinks I am being picky but she is just a psychologist, so what does she know about technology ...
I spend more time/money sending things back and on gasoline in order to get a device that works.
It seems taiwanese manufacturers are not worried about quality control as they are on time to market. Soon they will lose the game....

New one coming in the mail!

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QTek 9100 high-res photos, impressions and benchmarks!

People wanted photos... here (note the forum software here seems to be broken so you'll have to actually click the photos to see them). Sorry about the blurry backlight keyboard photo - its pretty hard keeping still for 4/5ths of a second!
Enjoy!
Any chance to have some photos taken with your 9100's camera so we can compare the quality with JAM?
Thanks for the photos!
Awesome! Post your impressions! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Here!
The above post was made entirely from my 9100... pretty nifty. The camera quality is pretty terrible (as expected), the flash barely does anything except for at extremely close range (as the sample photos demonstrate). The flash stays on all the time when its enabled but when you finally press the shutter button it goes slightly brigher.
Overall, the device seems very robust and solid. The only slight downfall I've observed is that you need to make sure you slide the screen squarely or it will get jammed. It is a little bigger than I had hoped for, but still definitely pocketable.
GPRS, WiFi and Bluetooth are all easy as pie to setup and the flashing LEDs make it very easy to see exactly what you have enabled. I haven't noticed any real slowdowns, unless I have a ridiculous amount of applications open and then try to switch to landscape... oh, and the stylus can be annoying to get out/ put in (I'm used to it being on the top of the device and I'm not used to a telescopic stylus). The screen also feels very bendy/ stretchy, like the air-gap between the glass and the touchscreen layer is pretty big. This means that you have to press quite hard for the touchscreen to respond (I'm used to a feather-light touch on the hx4700). Other than that it feels fine. I'll post more after I've had a play. I havent even connected this thing to a PC yet!
Sound quality is superb! I thought I'd find the headphones that are supplied with it laughable, but they're not half bad! There is actually bass (not much, but its there) and crisp high-end frequencies! The question is: Is the limiting factor the headphones or the amplifier. Unfortunately I don't have a 2.5mm->3.5mm converter to hand to find out.
The earphones dont really fit my ears well (none do) so I might look into doctoring them by attaching a 3.5mm jack after the little volume slider box.
I'm quite an audiophile and I find the sound quality quite acceptable, it definitely wont replace a dedicated MP3 player, but if its all you've got it will do fine.
can you post a picture of your device info. my kjam says 195mhz on processor speed and I have heard that the qtek says 200mhz. but that was a pre production unit. can you tell me if yours says 200mhz or 195???
This one has it's clock set to 195MHz like the K-JAM.
Also, if you're totally obsessive about the condition/ resale value of your devices, you dont need to open the sealed CD (its sealed with a Microsoft label). All it seems to contain is ActiveSync 4.0 and Outlook 2002.
Another thing I noticed - on the side of the box it says "802.11 b"... I'm not sure if this is different to the K-JAM which says it supports 802.11g among others. Has anyone bothered to see what the throughput is on the K-JAM?
The benchmark is in. Use the contents of these files at: http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/benchmark/handleresult.php?en
These results are taken from a fresh hard-reset hx4700 and a fresh hard-reset Qtek 9100. Yes, I realise comparing a WM2003 to a WM2005 device using such software isn't particularly fair... but it does accurately show how much slower the Wizard is (especially when it comes to writing files straight into flash ROM).
Note that the storage card results in the Qtek file should be the same as the "main" filesystem results since its reading from/ writing to the same place (I don't have a miniSD card yet). The reason the Qtek outranks the hx4700 in the graphics department is because the hx4700 is a VGA device.
The battery results for the Qtek 9100 are with the GSM radio activated.
If you've been monitoring the reported bugs on the K-jam on HoFo, it'd be interesting to see how the 9100 compares and whether you find the same bugs.
Also a little concerned about the wifi only being b spec not g. Can you test this?
I just switched my Wireless AP to "G Only". This took out my old laptop with a B card, however my Qtek 9100 was still able to connect fine.
Also, I've been messing around a bit more with the camera... and the photo quality is abysmal. My Nokia 6600 took better photos!
It's amazing they couldn't put a better camera in such an expensive device. What's the point of 1.3 mega pixels of noise?
I totally agree. They may as well have just put a 300kpixel camera in there, the quality would have been the same.
my guess is that those pictures were taken too close to the keyboard for the lens to focus on it. I saw some pictures from a k-jam and, while still not that good, they were much better than these. I believe the same camera unit was used in both.
The camera's focal distance is terrible. I compared it to a Sony Clié which could take a crisp photo of a sheet of paper about 5cm away with only a 300kpixel camera!
ShALLaX said:
The screen also feels very bendy/ stretchy, like the air-gap between the glass and the touchscreen layer is pretty big. This means that you have to press quite hard for the touchscreen to respond (I'm used to a feather-light touch on the hx4700). Other than that it feels fine. I'll post more after I've had a play. I havent even connected this thing to a PC yet!
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I've just got a pair of 9100's to replace our old 6310's. The first one I opened (and gave to the wife) is as responsive as my 4700, even with a PPC Tech screen protector on. The second sounds just like yours ShALLaX, definately more squishy, even before I put the screen protector on...
Regards,
Dox
Yay for quality control
ShALLaX said:
Yay for quality control
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I know... I'd send it back to Expansys, but their K-Jams's have slipped again, and I don't know how long I'd have to wait for another 9100.
Dox
Yeah... I'm sure I'll survive too.
Pretty much got mine all setup how I want it now. With it all customised you do start to notice performance issues but I'm willing to overlook the sluggish programme start times because of the awesome functionality.

Help! No video just tons of grey bars!

Please help! I was sending a email, finished then closed my keyboard, and my screen went blank, then came back on with thousands of very small horizontal grey lines.
I have tried a soft reset and hard reset to no avail! Help!
Sounds like that may be a hardware fault, is the device still under waranty? If not you could try a rom upgrade but i would'nt guarantee anything would be fixed.
I have switched from 2.17 to 2.20 back to 1.18 (default incase its dead) and have been waiting on hold now for 45 minutes or so with tmobile.
Get them to fix it, sounds like a graphics hardware prob. All the best.
OMG..... what the hell is wrong with these phones?!??!
I swear. I had a ipaq h6315 before this.... went thru THREE of them.
One had a video hardware problem (card fried), one had the internal reciver die and the last one they said the trasnformer or whatever inside burnt frying everything.
So they replace THAT one with a MDA (my request) and I LOVE the phone. Smaller, faster... not as long battery, but decent.
Now, this one is already zapping about. It works rock solid for like 3 months, then suddenly after making an email BLAM, the screen goes to all grey lines.
Weirdest thing about all these is I treat my phones like fing GOLD. No dropping, no scratches ANYWHERE, hell, even the paint is all perfect. I get expensive very nice working screen protectors for them... I even sing them to sleep at night after thier choice cut electric steak... WHAT THE HELL?!?!?!
*cries*

Sold my Qtek 9100 today... and am happy about it

After owning it for 5 month, I got rid of my Qtek 9100, it turned out a piece of junk..
First the Mail and Internet Explorer keys peeled off, then the gray paint on the sides peeled off, then the keyboard became loose, then the stylus began to fell off by itself...
I don't know what my next PPC will be, I am looking into something more rigid now.
naughty said:
I got rid of my Qtek 9100, it turned out a piece of junk..
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Blasphemy...... and in a wizard forum!
I know what you mean though - maybe a prophet will do you, some times i think i would have preferred a prophet being slimmer more rigid and 2mp camera. But today when writing a long text. i know why i like the wizard - the keyboard
naughty said:
After owning it for 5 month, I got rid of my Qtek 9100, it turned out a piece of junk..
First the Mail and Internet Explorer keys peeled off, then the gray paint on the sides peeled off, then the keyboard became loose, then the stylus began to fell off by itself...
I don't know what my next PPC will be, I am looking into something more rigid now.
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Alrighty - Dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Exactly what did you hope to achieve by coming here and posting? Were you hoping to justify your decision to yourself.
Bratag said:
naughty said:
After owning it for 5 month, I got rid of my Qtek 9100, it turned out a piece of junk..
First the Mail and Internet Explorer keys peeled off, then the gray paint on the sides peeled off, then the keyboard became loose, then the stylus began to fell off by itself...
I don't know what my next PPC will be, I am looking into something more rigid now.
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Alrighty - Dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Exactly what did you hope to achieve by coming here and posting? Were you hoping to justify your decision to yourself.
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I just wanted to share my disappointment. I will talk to you after you own the Wizard for 5 months, PM me then with feedback.
Well I've had mine for 6 now, and here's my experiences...
- it's slower than expected ( yes, I could overclock, but really.. I don't want it faster that badly )
- the paint peeled off the IE/Mail/Soft key buttons.. ah well, big deal - the mail button goes to the start menu and the IE button clicks on the app close button, so the icons don't match my functions anyway.
- no paint peeled off the sides yet
- no loose stylus yet (I tend to collapse it before inserting it - maybe that reduces stress on the part that breaks off?)
All in all, I'm quite happy with it. Sure, I would've liked it faster, and maybe 640x480 would've been nice (and built-in GPS, FM radio, a 3.5mm headphones plug, better volume on hands-free (oddly, an episode of stargate I put on there plays quite loudly - so it should be possible.. haven't tried those reghacks yet), maybe a scroll wheel, and a 2-3MP decent camera would've been plusses)... but here's the thing... None of the devices out there that fit that bill (to greater or lesser extent) appeal to me. They're either even bulkier and less practical to me (e.g. Universal) or their button layout irks me (Magician, and upcoming 'Wizard replacement' Hermes), etc. Form-factor wise, the Wizard suits me best, and that's why I got it - the slightly slower performance (I noticed it in the store) wasn't so much an issue for me.. I'm not using it to play the latest 3D game.
I have had my QTEK 9100 since January and I have to say that it is the best phone I have ever owned. Of course it is my first Pocket PC so that doesn’t give me much to compare to. It does have some small issues but overall, I am glad I bought it. I am also experiencing the stylus fallout issue but plan to try the suggestion offered in another thread once I receive my replacement stylus next week. No issues yet with the paint but that is not important to me because I have reprogrammed most of the buttons to perform another function anyway. I also find it a pain to have to hard reset when upgrading the ROM or sometimes the device just starts acting weird (like windows 9x) so I just reformat it. Long process but it works. I would have to say that this device is not friendly enough yet for the average consumer but this forum has been a great help with resolving issues and offering tips. I think I would have gone nuts if it weren’t for this forum! The QTEK website is useless for help or ROM updates so I will likely not get another QTEK but will consider the same model from another manufacturer.
keitht said:
The QTEK website is useless for help or ROM updates so I will likely not get another QTEK but will consider the same model from another manufacturer.
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I just updated to last ROM using Qtek website, all what you have to do is registering your IMEI in their site, and then you can download any new ROM for free with instructions how to do it, plus there is area fo registered users where you can download Tonerings, games, appz etc... for free. Just wanted to defend Qtek Site and clearing this misunderstanding.
naughty said:
After owning it for 5 month, I got rid of my Qtek 9100, it turned out a piece of junk..
First the Mail and Internet Explorer keys peeled off, then the gray paint on the sides peeled off, then the keyboard became loose, then the stylus began to fell off by itself...
I don't know what my next PPC will be, I am looking into something more rigid now.
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Thanks for sharing your experience.
I had the same paint problem with Himalaya device (qtek2020). I suppose this is due to wet hands I also have the same problem with my notebook ASUS M2Ne. But the problem is solved by annual ordering of the case for notebook and I suppose you can order cases for your handhelds too.
As for now, I don't have any problems as you did with wizard. I will try to be careful with mentioned areas
Thomas1234 said:
keitht said:
The QTEK website is useless for help or ROM updates so I will likely not get another QTEK but will consider the same model from another manufacturer.
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I just updated to last ROM using Qtek website, all what you have to do is registering your IMEI in their site, and then you can download any new ROM for free with instructions how to do it, plus there is area fo registered users where you can download Tonerings, games, appz etc... for free. Just wanted to defend Qtek Site and clearing this misunderstanding.
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Wish it was that easy... tried that and they claim my number is not valid and that I need to contact the vendor where I purchased for updates... well that vendor is EBAY so I am SOL on that. So I rely on this site for my updates.
@keitht :
I guess that the person - who sold this to you - registered the IMEI already therfore you have to know his Username and Password to login, or tell him to delete the IMEI from his account, then you can register your imei for your account.
I don't know if you can reach the seller anyway, but I think this is what happened and this what can be done to solve this problem.
BTW I am happy with the Wizard, but this is only my 3rd day using it , that means this thread doesn't count me.
with regards to the paint peeling off... no, that's not normal, really. If you want these things to last, then you don't use decals (cheap keyboards use these... you'll see the letters 'chip' off) or paint (slightly more expensive keyboards.. the letters will fade) - you use cut-outs or impregnation. On the Wizard, for example, check the green/red phone buttons (when they're not backlit). Those will never fade or chip, as they're cut-outs.
Note that they could have used cut-outs for the other buttons as well, but cut-outs are slightly more expensive, and it would be even more expensive once you factor in branding (e.g. T-Mobile would need a whole special cut-out for their HotSpots icon instead of the IE icon - whereas now, that's just a different stamp)
However, even given that it's not normal - it *is* common, and I've just come to expect it from anything that uses decals/paints for any graphics/lettering. You lean to live with it, unfortunately
I have had more than 10 different pocket pc's and 2 different pocket pc phones in the last 5 years and have to say that my Qtek 9100 is my favorite handheld device yet. It has a great battery life, does not lose data if the battery dies, works great as a web browsing tool, computer, and phone, and also works remarkebly well with bluetooth. I find it to be the first converged device I have owned that I can just use, without having to constantly fuss with it to make it work. It is far from perfect, but definitely good enough for my purposes so that when I travel I do not need to carry my laptop, as it fulfills all my computing needs, albeit with a slightly less than ideal user experience. I am more than willing to put up with the minor idiosyncracies of the device when I consider how many devices it can fill the gap for.
I'm using my Wizard for 7 months now, and it's definitely the best PDA/phone I've ever had. Ok, the build quality isn't on par with brands like Sony-Ericsson or Samsung, but the functionality makes up for everything. I use it for push-mail, navigating, browsing, contacts and calendar. When traveling by train, I hook it up to my laptop and use it as a GPRS-modem (I've got flat-fee GPRS from T-Mobile), zo I'm connected to the internet and the office. I use it at home on the sofa for browsing and MSN when my wife is watching stuff I really don't wanna watch (like soaps). In my car it's used as a navigation device (Adapt 300 GPS) and it's connected with my BT Logitech headset.
The paint hasn't scraped off anywhere, but the stylus comes loose too easy (a single wrap of tape around the black tip works fine).
Great phone, I'd cry if I had to miss it
I have the K-Jam since october 2005, so almost 8 month now.
For me it is also the best PDA in years.
It's the first PDA that lasts longer than half a year with me. :lol:
And I don't even see a suitable successor in the near future.
I don't face the problems with paint peeling off.
Ok, the mail and the IE button have faded a little, but that's all.
And, of course, the speed isn't everything, it could be improved.
The stylus is a little loose, but it doesn't falls out (yet)
And I am very, very pleased with the pushmail and A2DP.
I've had my Vario for around 6 months now, and don't see any of the problems the thread starter has found.
I treat my phone with care amd respect, in return it keeps all its paint on for me.
It may be true that the Vario build quality is not a patch on the MDA Compact, but it's still in good condition.
I've had my vario now for 3 months and the main problem I have with it is the stylus not holding as well as it did when it was new. No paint peeling off etc.
It may only be a 195mhz processor, but it is faster than my Treo 650 with a 312mhz processor.
I've used most of the Treos' and this is my first device on the 'dark side'! The treo is simpler to use, but the wizard was the closest I could get with the same size form. Unfortunately for Palm, WM5 is streets ahead of Palm os - maybe that is why they released the 700w.
Anyway, the 700 is not an option for me in the UK.
Connecting to 2 bluetooth devices at the same time, stereo bluetooth capability - all things treo 650 users wanted, multitasking - the list goes on. I can see me upgrading to the 3G version of the wizard when it's time to upgrade my phone in the future, in a little over a year.
When I was given the phone by T-Mobile, I wasn't going to use it, and just use my Treo 650, but the more I read about the vario and then used it, the more I liked it.
The wizard rocks.
I LOVE everything abouth my wizard! I'll upgrade only to wizard with microdrive (when ever it be)!
My 8125 is my first "Dark Side" device too. I've never been happier. The only thing I miss about PalmOS was the wonderful screen realestate on my Tungsten T3.
I've punished the case on mine pretty badly too and it's never chipped or peeled. The only thing that happened was that little rubber "foot" on the battery cover came off. I wonder if the various style of Wizard cases are built by different manufacturers? That could account for this.

has xda exec been re-design/design update?

i got a new exec 3 days ago after my first one packed up and have noticed that the new exec is different, it feels lighter, the battery seems to last longer and there are more grooves and holes. under the screen there are 2 holes to stop the screen from spinning to far. Does anyone else have these or am i the only one the have a new design exec?
i also noticed a hole under the sim card that wasnt there before, does anyone know what its for? its on the left of the red clip that holds the battery and on the left of the clip that holds the back case on
sry for the bad quality
daven said:
i got a new exec 3 days ago after my first one packed up and have noticed that the new exec is different, it feels lighter, the battery seems to last longer and there are more grooves and holes. under the screen there are 2 holes to stop the screen from spinning to far. Does anyone else have these or am i the only one the have a new design exec?
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lol i thought it was just mine.
i got mine about a week ago (old one got a crack screen, thank you insurance! ) anyhow the screen rotation is alot tighter and more of a robust feel to it. I also seem to have more program memory after a soft reset (possibly the new ROM update) either way i think my screen breaking (broke by itself might i add) has turned out to be for the better. 8)
oh and I'm sure the spring metal clip thingy under the back case (your second pic) wasn't there before.
the case comes off so much easier/quicker than before! (not that it needs to come too often lol)
Thanks for the reply.
Im glad im not the only one, but these changes are definately for the better.
Keyboard backlight
I have also just received a new Exec and I note:
* O2's UI crap doesn't run by default and I was able to easily remove it.
* There is no obvious keybaord backlight. Has it been removed?
* The backlight switch on the front edge doesn't do anything. Have I missed something?
* Before I removed the O2 software, there was a Task Manager application. Now that I have removed the O2 stuff, it has disappeared. Is it part of the O2 suite?
* I have installed GPRS Monitor from the CD. It seems to record traffic via Wi-Fi as well GPRS. Can anyone confirm this?
Blair[/list]
The keyboard backlight uses a light sensor so it only comes on when its dark, you can disable the sensor if you go into start>settings>buttons>backlight and un-tick 'enable keyboard backlight auto sensor.
As for the backlight button, mine never worked, not on the new one or the old one unless i installed a hack to enable it.
I dont know about the gprs monitor as i dont use it.
About the task manager, i dont know about that either as i use spb pocket plus.
Hope this helps
Thanks
Thanks for the information.
the new redesigned exec
Guys, Now you have owned these redesigned execs for a while , how are they holding up? do they still suffer from wearing shing spots on the housing and keyboard? or are there new problems now...lol??
everything seems to be ok, i use a silicone case so i dont know if the spots still happen. Although the screen seems to be tighter, its not as loose as my old one which became very loose after the first few months. Other than that everything seems to be perfect
New Execs
After checking with my son who has an Exec for many months, I conclude that there have been no noticeable changes. Everything I though was odd about mine such as:
non-working camera
no keyboard backlight
backlight button not working
turn out to be respectively:
firmware problems (reloaded ROM & the camera worked fine)
it really needs to be very dark before the keyboard backlight comes on - which it does
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Hmm, I must have an in-between model. The hole and the clip are present, but not the bits under the screen.
And I thought I was the only one getting shiny spots on the casing. Can they be removed?

[Q] Acer s200 neoTouch LCD problem, partially responsive

dear all
I thought I was a lucky owner of the cool s200.
In fact, almost one month ago, the LCD has begun to be less responsive in the upper right part of the touchscreen. In the same zone I could see some kind of "scratches" or let's call them even "dirt bands".
Icons were harder to be recalled, and the "slide to unlock" feature was taking always a bit more of time and tries.
These "scratched area" was enlarging everyday.. and the more it grew, the less responsive the s200 would be.
Today, the Acer s200 definitely stopped responding, although the LCD shows still bright unaltered background image.
Please, have a look at the picture that I posted here
www .marcofama.it/2011/06/acer-s200-neotouch-problema-allo-schermo-lcd-risponde-parzialmente/
This has been shot yesterday
Frankly speaking, I don't know what happened
I was used to change the transparent cover every 3months, never treated the mobile bad, always cleaned the touch surface with cleaning paper for glasses. Never scratched it with keys in my pocket (always used a sock to protect the phone in everyday life).
Anyone knows what might have happened?
I'll open a RMA on Acer website... but this drives me crazy! A 400 EUR device, treated better than anything else.. cannot go broken like that.
Marco
This doesnt sound like a LCD problem.
There is the LCD display, which does the job to show the pictures and there is the digitizer or the touch panel... These touch panels become unresponsive after some time when they are resistive, like our touch panel is.
You could buy it at ebay and change it on your own to make your touch screen behave well again.
but to be honest, ive never seen this "scratches" before
riotman said:
This doesnt sound like a LCD problem.
There is the LCD display, which does the job to show the pictures and there is the digitizer or the touch panel... These touch panels become unresponsive after some time when they are resistive, like our touch panel is.
You could buy it at ebay and change it on your own to make your touch screen behave well again.
but to be honest, ive never seen this "scratches" before
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whoa.. thanks for your feedback riotman.
That was my first impression too, as the images were correctly displayed..
I've taken my Acer to the closest Acer point today, and I need to wait for them to analyze it and let me know if that can be fixed under warranty, or not.
I'll keep you posted
thanks for your time!
Marco
Never seen this before on any Smartphone. I think it's maybe a default of connection, or some humidity. It's purely hardware, I think.
i've got the same problem but the warranity ended a month ago and acer won't repair it or take the phone back -.- this sucks..
The neotouch digitizer is poorly sealed, humidity and moisture will eventually find it's way in and start doing what it's currently doing eg, not responding on the oxidized bits.
No solution but to buy another digitizer on ebay and change it,they are cheap and you get the tools to help you do it as part of it.
There is a guide somewhere in here, I'll look for it...edit.. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=742642
edit again....I bought this one http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360364252886&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

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