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Vodafone GPRS costs

I cant see much info on costs per megabyte for GPRS on the vodafone price plans, apart from £7.50 per meg, surely this must be wrong when O2 charge £2.35???
Anyone using Vodafone? can you verify this?
I live in a rubbish signal area (apart from Vodafone, so Orange, T-Mobile & O2 are not really an option)
Thanks
Derek

Just to let you know that after over a week someone got back to me from Vodafone Customer Support, and quoted that their rate depended on tariffs, but mentioned 7.5p per kilobyte. Thats right KILOBYTE
Now lets do the math... my god, thats £75.00 for a meg!
Surely she's wrong.. so I replied to the email with utter amazement, i'll let you know further developments,
Someone on this board must be using the xda with vodafone in the uk, cant you let us know if this is accurate?
Or looking at this data charge perhaps not!

http://www.all-vodafone.co.uk/info_pages/tariffs.shtml
.75p per kb for pay as you go, .235 on higher end subscriptions, so GBP 7.50 is right, GBP75.00 is wrong. 75/MB is only found on GPRS roaming at the moment. (Well, almost, anyway...)

But surely the £7.50 you described would in fact be for 100k transferred, which is a tenth of what I'm talking about!
I meant "per meg" to compare with o2's price of £2.35 per meg.
If you still dont believe my maths with kbs to megs look here...
http://familyinternet.about.com/library/weekly/aa052401a.htm
unless as I said that there is something odd going in in the way Vodafone charges for data, on PAYG then it should be renamed to PTTN "paying through the nose!"
I havent seen anyone comment on typical data usage for GPRS on this forum, so here goes. On average using my xda to check emails several times a day, I've been getting through 16megs a month with hardly any websurfing, thats just POP & SMTP traffic using O2.
Which is a total of [email protected]£2.35 a meg = £37.60 just on data!
Now, theoretically on Vodafone PAYG
16x£75.00 = £1200 for the same amount of data!
Admittedly this would be on their Pay as you go Tariff, as per XDA developer Peter Poelman
On the monthly tariffs, it would be
0.235x1000 (to get price per meg)
=£2.35 (per meg)
Total £37.60 for 16 megs
which is the same price as O2
Utter Madness on Vodafone Pay as You Go :evil: - I can only conclude that unless the vodafone pricing is incorrect somehow, nobody would ever be able to afford to use the xda using GPRS on that network tariff for email, let alone web surfing!
Isnt it a shame GPRS is so generally so highly priced. Perhaps they dont want it to become too popular...
In a reasonable and "ideal" world, we'd pay a third of that, more like a tenner for 16 megs.

derekcfoley said:
But surely the £7.50 you described would in fact be for 100k transferred, which is a tenth of what I'm talking about!
I meant "per meg" to compare with o2's price of £2.35 per meg.
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.75p / kB = 7.5p/10kB
7.5p/10kB = 75p/100kB
75p/100kB = GBP7.50/1MB

O2 or T-mobile

Apologies, I was not sure where to post this.
I am and have been on o2 for years, however the data tariffs are pretty much in the stone age for pricing, I have seen T-mobiles web n talk deals and they look good. Can anyone advise if I take the plunge and let my o2 contract expire (this month) will I be happy with t-mobile?
I am in the UK for your information, cheers.
Oh and why the different web n talk options, only one allowing VOIP, what is restricting it?

Same situation here, HSDPA access restricted to business only, and they charge ALOT for any downloading at all!!
T-mob does look good however i would only require a SIM only tarriff.....from what ive seen on the site they only offer the good web-n-walk tarrifs with a handset bundled in (for a price obviously)

mrvanx said:
Same situation here, HSDPA access restricted to business only, and they charge ALOT for any downloading at all!!
T-mob does look good however i would only require a SIM only tarriff.....from what ive seen on the site they only offer the good web-n-walk tarrifs with a handset bundled in (for a price obviously)
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O2 used to be great when I enjoyed free access for a year, since then they've stayed at £2.35 per MB. Not only that but as an online customer no bundles supported (still no where near t-mobiles pricing).

T-Mobile have been pretty good, I have a flext 30+ Web and Walk standard, works out at around £35 per month.
Its not actually unlimited internet I think it works out to something around 1gb per month but with the amount you download with normal active sync e-mail and web browsing I havent hit it yet so it (and the fair use policy just says if you exceed 1gb per month they will ask you to cut down a bit, with more restrictions each time you break the 1Gb limit) Basically its not designed for peer to peer, streaming or skype.
The pro version isnt that much more expensive though.

chrisjasper said:
T-Mobile have been pretty good, I have a flext 30+ Web and Walk standard, works out at around £35 per month.
Its not actually unlimited internet I think it works out to something around 1gb per month but with the amount you download with normal active sync e-mail and web browsing I havent hit it yet so it (and the fair use policy just says if you exceed 1gb per month they will ask you to cut down a bit, with more restrictions each time you break the 1Gb limit) Basically its not designed for peer to peer, streaming or skype.
The pro version isnt that much more expensive though.
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Ah so more expensive packages are just cause more data will be used not that on the others it wont work?

thesoulpoet said:
Ah so more expensive packages are just cause more data will be used not that on the others it wont work?
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Yes, the pro web+walk packages go up to 10Gb per month.

chrisjasper said:
Yes, the pro web+walk packages go up to 10Gb per month.
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Is it possible to migrate across to T-Mobile web-n-walk without having to buy a handset?

Not entirely sure about that one, I've been with t-mob since they were one2one.
You can pac code your number across so most likely you could go to W+W without buying a handset....

strange t-mobile
whats strange about t-mobile uk is that, although they say 1gb limit, ive been using my w&w plan since april 06 and have almost consistently exceeded the limits, in the last few months according to my data monitor on the nokia 6680 ive exceeded 10 gigs a month. One of the call centers isnt too far from my town and the area i live in has very few serious w&w users or so i believe.. ive got good HSPDA reception in my area and plan to do some testing with my phones.. will post results..

I moved from O2 to T-Mobile for the exact same reason... I simply couldn't justify the rip-off data charges!
Since moving to T-Mobile I can honestly say I don't regret making the move... their service is as good or better than O2 and having web n walk is absolute bliss
I'm on the basic web n walk package, but as far as I know there is nothing preventing you using your mobile as a modem for a laptop and I'm sure I've read posts from other users saying you can still make internet calls (skype) on the basic package??? - the only thing the saleman told me is they do monitor activities and if they detect another IP address (from a computer I would guess) or any voice/video streaming, there's a chance I could be billed for it

stewcp said:
I moved from O2 to T-Mobile for the exact same reason... I simply couldn't justify the rip-off data charges!
Since moving to T-Mobile I can honestly say I don't regret making the move... their service is as good or better than O2 and having web n walk is absolute bliss
I'm on the basic web n walk package, but as far as I know there is nothing preventing you using your mobile as a modem for a laptop and I'm sure I've read posts from other users saying you can still make internet calls (skype) on the basic package??? - the only thing the saleman told me is they do monitor activities and if they detect another IP address (from a computer I would guess) or any voice/video streaming, there's a chance I could be billed for it
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I might give them a call and see what they reckon (im on a monthly rolling contract with O2 at the mo)
Whats the basic WnW package got in terms of texts and minutes.....a basic run down of the details would be very helpfull dude

Roaming charges?
I've been thinking to switch to WnW but have been unable to fing the roaming data costs. That is... i use it to sync to exchange while abroad (mostly europe).
Can't find the costs on the t-mob site

t-mobile DATA costs
3G (where available) £7.50 per Mb
This is the data charge anywhere outside the UK. I wen't to India sent two emails with picture attachments. Got bill, ended up sending 4mb which came to about 30 quid. It's a shame they don't have a better deal for people on Web n walk. BTW, i am on web n walk plus, the middle package, £12.50 a month. 3 gb limit and when connected to my laptop avg DL speed is 130.0kbs
Link for roming costs anyway, http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/personal/our-services/going-abroad/details-by-country.do

mrvanx said:
Is it possible to migrate across to T-Mobile web-n-walk without having to buy a handset?
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I bought a Universal on Ebay that had been on O2 and I stuck in a tmobile pay as you go sim card. Once I'd put in the server details (for which there is a help page on the tmobile site) it works great. I don't do a lot of data normally, but when I do, I get charged a flat rate of £1 for that day. I used it abroad to get email in Switzerland and France. It worked right off the plane with no fiddling at all.

evilv said:
I bought a Universal on Ebay that had been on O2 and I stuck in a tmobile pay as you go sim card. Once I'd put in the server details (for which there is a help page on the tmobile site) it works great. I don't do a lot of data normally, but when I do, I get charged a flat rate of £1 for that day. I used it abroad to get email in Switzerland and France. It worked right off the plane with no fiddling at all.
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I did the same for an O2 XDA IIs - originally I just used it as a phone (on O2 pay-as-you-go) and PDA, but recently needed Web access. Popped into a mobile phone shop, pick up a brochure of tarrifs saw the O2 one, picked myself up off the floor and bought a T-Mobile pay-as-you-go SIM. T-Mobile very helpful in setting up the web access over the phone (they called me back on a different mobile)

mrvanx said:
Is it possible to migrate across to T-Mobile web-n-walk without having to buy a handset?
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If you can get sim only then you can get web and walk as i have been using since last 11 months. I only got a sim Flex20 and whenever like i subscribe to web&walk through internet account as well opt out by telling 1 month notice.... or you can use pay as you go sim card... £1 a day and unlimited internet even VOIP.... i often use it for skype and got excellent result, i taked hours and never got problem... cheers

Unlock the G1-Sim Unlock

compared to touch pro it has:
+bigger screen
+compass
-hvga
-no radio
its even made made by the same people with simlar quality
and yet its $399 while the touck pro is more than $1K unlocked. is google subsidising this ferther
anybody knows how much the winmo licence costing htc

it wouldnt suprise me if htc are loosing profit in the short term.
the whole point of the g1 is for it to be cheap and available to anyone (open source). i think they're probably biting the bullet and hoping it will pick up.

G1 specs
the G1 is supposed to have a compass in it according to the HTC website, and I'm not sure... but I bet there's radio in it too. It also has the HVGA ur talkin about.
http://www.htc.com/www/product/g1/specification.html
there's the page
compass is on the very bottom under the special features.

HTC Touch HD
OMG this thing has a 5.0 megapixel camera!
Well.... I guess I better pitch my 5.0 megapixel kodak digi camera quick lol

Who said it's unlocked? It's only being sold through T-Mobile, locked to their network, and the only way you can get it unlocked is by being a T-Mobile customer for 90 days.

arteshiftedscreen said:
OMG this thing has a 5.0 megapixel camera!
Well.... I guess I better pitch my 5.0 megapixel kodak digi camera quick lol
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It's 3.2 not 5 although 5 would have totally rocked. I'm using a Sony Ericsson K790a phone at the moment I love the camera on this thing but it basically has a cybershot camera built into it. I wish the G1 had a flash built in.

Black93300ZX said:
Who said it's unlocked? It's only being sold through T-Mobile, locked to their network, and the only way you can get it unlocked is by being a T-Mobile customer for 90 days.[/QUOT
T-Mo isn't discouraging unlocking the phone and they said there will be an unlocked version available without contract for $399.
They also state that the phone is best used with their services. From what I have read at Engadget, I isn't compatible with AT&T 3G.
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pseudoproto said:
T-Mo isn't discouraging unlocking the phone and they said there will be an unlocked version available without contract for $399.
They also state that the phone is best used with their services. From what I have read at Engadget, I isn't compatible with AT&T 3G.
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I think you mean locked but without contract = $399. Locked and with a contract = $179. But T-mobile is good about allowing you to unlock it after 90 days (of good standing)
Also, as stated the phone is only using UMTS 1700/2100 for T-mobile's AWS 3G network. Unless different specs appear later, it certainly cannot be used on AT&T's 850/1900 3G network, and may not even work on any other global 2100 3G network. But it's quad-band EDGE so you can still get EDGE speeds.

fyi
windows mobile cost money
android is free
(+bigger screen)
(-hvga)
bigger screen maybe, but lower resolution
touch pro 640 x 480
g1 480 x 320
kaiser 240 x 320
i put the kaiser in just for ref.
and tmobile gets a discount for a mass order
they also lock the phone
(this is a hardware lock, not in the software
they might be more relaxed on unlocking the phone due to android (att will unlock there phone even if you are not on there network)(tmoblie will unlock after 90 days per line)
the touch pro doesn't have network yet
and it is unlocked
if a big carrier (with a huge market) gets the touch pro the price will drop
a new HTC TyTn II is still $600
and i am talking about the TyTn II not the Tilt
there is your cost difference
btw the spec look like it will work on at&t
http://www.htc.com/www/product/g1/specification.html

fhsieh said:
I think you mean locked but without contract = $399. Locked and with a contract = $179. But T-mobile is good about allowing you to unlock it after 90 days (of good standing)
Also, as stated the phone is only using UMTS 1700/2100 for T-mobile's AWS 3G network. Unless different specs appear later, it certainly cannot be used on AT&T's 850/1900 3G network, and may not even work on any other global 2100 3G network. But it's quad-band EDGE so you can still get EDGE speeds.
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Yeah that's what I'm saying, you can get it for $399 without a contract, but it is NOT unlocked. You'll be able to buy a Fuze from AT&T without a contract, but you still need to get it unlocked.

so anybody knows how much does a fully unlocked phone that i can use anywhare will end up costing

FYI
I preordered my phone last week and it said on the listing:
Retail $399
On-Line Upgrade Discount $100
Total Upgrade Price $299
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Plus in order to order this phone you must add to your rate plan a T-Mobile G1 rate plan. It's either Plan (A) $39.99 unlimited G1 internet and texting or Plan (B) Limited Internet and 400 text for $25.99 extra on top of your normal rate. It states the pre-existing rate plans will Alter to the change for the G1 service if the phone is purchased. I tried to add the phone without adding the G1 service and the website would not let me continue without (1) adding plan (A), plan (B) or (2) remove the phone from upgrade.
After ordering the phone T-Mobile's website stated that the phone would be delivered with free shipping on or by October 22nd 2008. BTW I ordered the Black with the $25.99 plan.
This is what I ordered in the USA other countries might be different.

Other countries don't have the G1 yet. UK is the next launch country (iirc) and won't get it until the end of this year or early next year.
I'm sure there will be individuals who are planning to buy the G1 from Tmo US to resell online (on ebay); whether or not they're fully unlocked will depend on the fine print. I would expect them to be around $500. But again the launch version of the G1 is 1700/2100mhz 3G, so you can't just use it "anywhere"; and by the time these launch units start becoming available unlocked, there will be other versions/models to choose from anyway.

danielbui23 said:
I preordered my phone last week and it said on the listing:
Retail $399
On-Line Upgrade Discount $100
Total Upgrade Price $299
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Plus in order to order this phone you must add to your rate plan a T-Mobile G1 rate plan. It's either Plan (A) $39.99 unlimited G1 internet and texting or Plan (B) Limited Internet and 400 text for $25.99 extra on top of your normal rate. It states the pre-existing rate plans will Alter to the change for the G1 service if the phone is purchased. I tried to add the phone without adding the G1 service and the website would not let me continue without (1) adding plan (A), plan (B) or (2) remove the phone from upgrade.
After ordering the phone T-Mobile's website stated that the phone would be delivered with free shipping on or by October 22nd 2008. BTW I ordered the Black with the $25.99 plan.
This is what I ordered in the USA other countries might be different.
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Sorry, I am editing my statement about G1 plan (B): Limited Internet and 400 text messages.
PLAN (B) is UNLIMITED INTERNET and 400 text messages allowed in or out going.

danielbui23 said:
Sorry, I am editing my statement about G1 plan (B): Limited Internet and 400 text messages.
PLAN (B) is UNLIMITED INTERNET and 400 text messages allowed in or out going.
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Hmm, I don't think I could stick to 400 texts a month... Haha oh damn, I just looked at my usage for AT&T for this month (only 2 weeks into the billing period)...
Anytime minutes: Used 113/1400
Night/Weekend: Used 1,794 of unlimited
Mobile To Mobile: Used 1,152 of unlimited
Messaging: Used 519 of unlimited
And, since I canceled my data plan, a whopping .06MB of data, woot. I know I use my phone a ton, but I can't really see anyone that texts semi-frequently using under 400... A single conversation via text can take 20 text messages, and 20 days having 1 full conversation is your 400 right there.

Well at $25 and $35, T-mobile's definitely going after the iPhone plans, which don't even include any texts in the base $30 rate, and goes up to $50 for unlimited internet/sms.
AT&T might have wider 3G coverage, but if it continues to underperform, Tmo could take the cake.
Anyway, online-presence apps (like IM) should eventually start phasing out text messaging as more and more people get internet-enabled phones; so 400 messages could conceivably cover all the messaging "when-needed", while users start adopting more interactive modes of chat -- especially once developers integrate them into popular social networking services, like Facebook et al.

And keep in mind that the IM software dings you for each message sent and received as well, with exception of Google Talk -- it's the only one of the bunch that uses the internet connection for messaging; all the rest use texting.
Who uses Google Talk? I didn't even know it existed
Black93300ZX said:
Hmm, I don't think I could stick to 400 texts a month... Haha oh damn, I just looked at my usage for AT&T for this month (only 2 weeks into the billing period)...
Anytime minutes: Used 113/1400
Night/Weekend: Used 1,794 of unlimited
Mobile To Mobile: Used 1,152 of unlimited
Messaging: Used 519 of unlimited
And, since I canceled my data plan, a whopping .06MB of data, woot. I know I use my phone a ton, but I can't really see anyone that texts semi-frequently using under 400... A single conversation via text can take 20 text messages, and 20 days having 1 full conversation is your 400 right there.
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If you use Google Talk, you're not touching your text message allowance, but any of the others on the G1 count each IM sent and received just the same as a text message. My primary IM service is MSN, and I know there's a mobile web client available -- not as pretty, but a lot cheaper to use...
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...Anyway, online-presence apps (like IM) should eventually start phasing out text messaging as more and more people get internet-enabled phones; so 400 messages could conceivably cover all the messaging "when-needed", while users start adopting more interactive modes of chat -- especially once developers integrate them into popular social networking services, like Facebook et al.
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benjimen said:
And keep in mind that the IM software dings you for each message sent and received as well, with exception of Google Talk -- it's the only one of the bunch that uses the internet connection for messaging; all the rest use texting.
Who uses Google Talk? I didn't even know it existed
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Yeah Phone based IM services that are preloaded on phones are going to cost just as much as Texting and run along the samelines as they run as an MMS or SMS ie. yahoo messanger, AOL messanger ect....
I use GoogleTalk and It's pretty cool. If 2 people have a Gmail.com account it will allow the 2 to talk in chat form. No Software to load its all done through a popup or popout window. Nothing fancy just realtime conversations. There is a green bubble that pops up next to the name when they are logged on to Gmail so you know if they are by the computer. It turns orange if Google talk or Gmail has been at idle for too long and turns Grey if they are signed off. Also the chats are recorded in a chat folder so if you need to reference information from a previous Chat/ Conversation you can easily access it through your designated folder.

I installed it, and it's OK -- bare bones, the 'cheap motel room' (CNET reviewer remark) of chat products. My favorite feature is how you can set 'off the record' per contact in your list. Once set, chats are >not< stored for future searching (in your Gmail or theirs), and it isn't something your 'buddy' can change.
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...also the chats are recorded in a chat folder so if you need to reference information from a previous Chat/ Conversation you can easily access it through your designated folder...
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tv on Xperia?

Hi
I wondering if someone knows how to watch tv on Xperia?
Cause I seen that they have create iPlayer for Xperia. Read please the link.
http://www.xperiax1.net/Latest/bbc-iplayer-comes-to-xperia-x1.html
I use KPN network and have free internet and streaming. Can i use a tv application for my Xperia so I can watch tv without payin for application?

Try this:
http://www.diamondtv.fr/
It had a fair few channels from all over the world. Even some porn ones.

you could use tvuplayer for windows mobile
http://pages.tvunetworks.com/labs/mobile.html

tvu mobile? .. thats amazing !!! ... do u guys think there is gonna be a problem with the provider though? Because even though I am on a unlimited data plan with Vodafone UK - I think the small print does say something about "reasonable amount of usage" bla bla max. 200 mb a month (could that be right?) .. so basically if you stream 90 minutes of premierleague I guess u d exceed that fairly quickly ..
what are your thoughts?

yeah - the "unlimited" thing basically means "unlimited web browsing" - i.e. streaming isn't included.
it's the same as anything like this - if you do a bit of streaming and end up with 225mb of usuage they probably wont bill you, if you managed 400mb they might not but you never know....just covering themselves i think.

Amanox said:
tvu mobile? .. thats amazing !!! ... do u guys think there is gonna be a problem with the provider though? Because even though I am on a unlimited data plan with Vodafone UK - I think the small print does say something about "reasonable amount of usage" bla bla max. 200 mb a month (could that be right?) .. so basically if you stream 90 minutes of premierleague I guess u d exceed that fairly quickly ..
what are your thoughts?
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VodaUK is 500mb fair use. Most likely if you go over you'll get a letter (or the speed will be reduced), do it again and they'll remove the package.
There is also a chance that you could even be billed at £2/mb for each over the allowance.
http://online.vodafone.co.uk/dispat...pb=true&_pageLabel=template11&pageID=PTC_0050
Mobile Internet and email pack (Pay monthly customers only)
The Mobile Internet and email pack is a monthly data access bundle available on compatible price plans. It can be included in your monthly line rental fee or added to your account as a monthly subscription. The Pack gives you unlimited data access in the UK only, subject to a fair use limit of 500mb per month. If we think your use is excessive or that you are abusing the service we may ask you to moderate your usage and/or we reserve the right to charge you for the excessive element of your usage at the standard out of bundle rate for your price plan. We may also move you to a more suitable price plan or an equivalent price plan without a Mobile Internet and email pack. The Mobile Internet and email pack is for private non-commercial use only and roaming charges apply to all data access from abroad.
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SPB TV works great on X1.
Limited channels but great choice.
News ,music,sports...

If you're unlimited, they are not going to charge you for overusing, unless it says so explicitly in the contract. What they might do is they might ask you to hold your horses a little more. They might also just silently get rid of you, stating some obscure reason for termination (and charging you termination fees). Happened to me with a (Vodafone based) provider.

kleineyetie said:
SPB TV works great on X1.
Limited channels but great choice.
News ,music,sports...
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sorry... do u know if spb tv has more channels than spb online?

One of the must annoying things about mobile tv is Sky News only brodcasting the lnews headlines over and over again! ie, its not really live, its a news loop

there is a free software in the general development section called webtv, it has over 1000 channels, not sure if the ones your looking for are included but worth having a look as it is free

francomur99
Hi ,the SlingPlayer is perfect more then 800 channels, the same Tv channels I've got at home connected with the Slimbox ,and the Skybox £120, you need wireless router £120 I watch my channels tv in London from Tenerife, Sardinia, Paris...more or less all over in the world. Then SPB Online £ 25 less channels 25/30 with italian channels like Rainews24, sport ecc. and Pocket Tv but this one is a bit crap. The best for me is the SlingPlayer.Ciao

HD2 on Vodafone v T-Mobile & Fair Usage Policy

It seems ridiculous to sell a device that does all these things online, when the network won't even allow it. I'm talking about the 500mb fair usage policy (FUP) Vodafone place on their 'unlimited' mobile internet, when T-Mobile seems to allow you a 3GB limit.
But stop the press! I just got off the phone with Vodafone today and was told that they are in talks to INCREASE their FUP limit by Christmas! (in time for their take on the beloved iPhone). Does any one have any more information on this!? Because the FUP is the ONLY thing stopping me from getting the HD2 out from Vodafone now and not wait for T-Mobile!
Also, does anyone have any experience with Vodafone/T-Mobile voice and data coverage in the UK? That would be a big factor too in deciding which network provider to sign with.

I use TMobile in the Midlands and have no problem with voice and data reception, still waiting for my HD2 to arrive so cant comment if the reception is any better or worse than my Kaiser

serk1284 said:
It seems ridiculous to sell a device that does all these things online, when the network won't even allow it. I'm talking about the 500mb fair usage policy (FUP) Vodafone place on their 'unlimited' mobile internet, when T-Mobile seems to allow you a 3GB limit.
But stop the press! I just got off the phone with Vodafone today and was told that they are in talks to INCREASE their FUP limit by Christmas! (in time for their take on the beloved iPhone). Does any one have any more information on this!? Because the FUP is the ONLY thing stopping me from getting the HD2 out from Vodafone now and not wait for T-Mobile!
Also, does anyone have any experience with Vodafone/T-Mobile voice and data coverage in the UK? That would be a big factor too in deciding which network provider to sign with.
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The 500Mb FUP is the reason I left Orange when I had an Omnia HD. Stupid limit.
T-Mobile are excellent - even though they didnt work out for me - heres why:
I went in to get a HTC Hero - did the Street Check online - had excellent coverage and good 3G coverage. Got a great contract and the staff were very good. Got home - which is in a little town called leek (just outside Stoke) and had no 3g coverage at all. Left it a few days just in case it sprung to life then rang customer services. The very nice lady told me they have two versions of the coverage checker - one for customers and one for their Techies - the Techie one showed zero 3G coverage even though the online street check showed good coverage.
The T-mobile guys were great and I returned the phone no fuss - but be wary of the street checker - ring them to double check. There network seemed excellent and they will soon be merged with Orange who have a significant 3G network. If I had coverage I would defo go with T-mobile...

serk1284 said:
I'm talking about the 500mb fair usage policy (FUP) Vodafone place on their 'unlimited' mobile internet, when T-Mobile seems to allow you a 3GB limit.
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T-Mobile nearly always has a one gigabyte limit. They make an exception for one or two Android-based phones, such as the Hero, which have a lot of constantly updating widgets - for those phones only, if you buy the phone from T-Mobile, you will get a 3GB limit. As far as I'm aware the limit on an HD2 will be 1GB - but it might be worth checking this with T-Mobile customer services.
T-Mobile also block some ports on their standard internet service so you can't use MSN Messenger on it, or access certain websites at all (e.g. iPlayer).

I just went with Vodafone as the T-Mobile signal is poor where I live. Almost went with O2 as there have the same Fair Usage Policy as T-Mobile but the Vodafone have a pay as you go option which is a max of 50p per day with a limit of 25 Meg. As I would not use my Phone for internet all that much it is the best option for me. As I don’t need to pay an extra £7.50 a month but can us it when ever I want and not pay through the noise for it.

For myself, the benefits of Vodafone, outweigh the downside of having only 500MB of data. I've never gone over my data for the month, and find it quite hard usually, to go over 15MB a day (roughly what 500MB is over the month). I use SPB Wireless Monitor to keep track of it.
It is nice to hear that Vodafone might be increasing this limit tho.

Shasarak said:
T-Mobile nearly always has a one gigabyte limit. They make an exception for one or two Android-based phones, such as the Hero, which have a lot of constantly updating widgets - for those phones only, if you buy the phone from T-Mobile, you will get a 3GB limit. As far as I'm aware the limit on an HD2 will be 1GB - but it might be worth checking this with T-Mobile customer services.
T-Mobile also block some ports on their standard internet service so you can't use MSN Messenger on it, or access certain websites at all (e.g. iPlayer).
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lol. T-Mobile have 3 versions of internet for mobiles. Basic Web and Walk with 1Gb fair use policy and blocked ports. Web & Walk plus with 3Gb fair use and open for MSN etc and Laptop Tethering, and Web & Walk Max which has a 10Gb fair use policy and is open for everything including Skype and other VOIP calling. The difference in price between basic and Plus is about £3 -£5. All of these packages are available to all phones.

Shasarak said:
T-Mobile nearly always has a one gigabyte limit. They make an exception for one or two Android-based phones, such as the Hero, which have a lot of constantly updating widgets - for those phones only, if you buy the phone from T-Mobile, you will get a 3GB limit. As far as I'm aware the limit on an HD2 will be 1GB - but it might be worth checking this with T-Mobile customer services.
T-Mobile also block some ports on their standard internet service so you can't use MSN Messenger on it, or access certain websites at all (e.g. iPlayer).
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I have standard TMobile web and walk and can use MSN Messenger with no problems

Gajet said:
lol. T-Mobile have 3 versions of internet for mobiles. Basic Web and Walk with 1Gb fair use policy and blocked ports. Web & Walk plus with 3Gb fair use and open for MSN etc and Laptop Tethering, and Web & Walk Max which has a 10Gb fair use policy and is open for everything including Skype and other VOIP calling. The difference in price between basic and Plus is about £3 -£5. All of these packages are available to all phones.
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All of these may be available, but the point is that you have to pay extra for them. By contrast, other providers don't block ports in their standard Internet packages.

Shasarak said:
All of these may be available, but the point is that you have to pay extra for them. By contrast, other providers don't block ports in their standard Internet packages.
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Depends how you view it. I would argue that their standard is web & walk plus, that allows you to tether, which O2 for instance would charge you an extra £15 on top of your data bundle to do. However T-mobile also offer a budget basic package for people who just want the football results on saturdays.

Gajet said:
Depends how you view it. I would argue that their standard is web & walk plus, that allows you to tether, which O2 for instance would charge you an extra £15 on top of your data bundle to do. However T-mobile also offer a budget basic package for people who just want the football results on saturdays.
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My point is that if you pay the advertised price for a T-Mobile phone you will not get Web'n'Walk Plus (unless it's a G1 or a G2, which are special cases). You get the Plus version if you pay £5 more per month than the advertised price. If the purpose that you want to use the connection for requires one of the ports that is blocked on the standard service, you need to be aware of this.
The discussion started because someone suggested that a 3GB limit is standard on T-Mobile, and it isn't - it's only standard if you buy a G1 or a G2. Otherwise it costs extra. You could reasonably argue that T-Mobile's upgraded package is better than other carriers' upgraded packages, but we need to make sure that people who decide to buy (say) an HD2 from T-Mobile aren't expecting to get the "Plus" package without playing extra for it.
I think there are also heavier restrictions on Web'n'Walk Plus than there are on a standard "Mobile Broadband" package. If you get a 3GB per month package from O2 you can do pretty much what you like with it up to the the 3GB limit. But (under the terms of your contract) you're not allowed to download audio or video over a Web'n'Walk Plus connection, or make Skype calls. (You need to upgrade to the Max version for that).

Shasarak said:
I think there are also heavier restrictions on Web'n'Walk Plus than there are on a standard "Mobile Broadband" package. If you get a 3GB per month package from O2 you can do pretty much what you like with it up to the the 3GB limit. But (under the terms of your contract) you're not allowed to download audio or video over a Web'n'Walk Plus connection, or make Skype calls. (You need to upgrade to the Max version for that).
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With O2 you can't tether to your laptop
T-Mobile said:
How does Mobile Broadband Plus work?
As well as basic browsing and emailing, you'll be able to take full advantage of what the web has to offer, which means you can:
Send instant messages - chat with your friends in real-time
Stream video - watch clips on YouTube
Update your blog - write when inspiration strikes
Download - save and view music, image and movie files
How does Mobile Broadband Max work?
It's exactly the same as web'n'walk Plus except you can use voice over the internet (VoIP) software, such as Skype and Jajah.com, which allows you to make phone calls and instant message with people all over the world.
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Also with T-mobile you build your own package, so not sure what is advertised The final cost of the total bill determines the handset price. Which is why I've always had W&W Plus and never paid more than a standard £35 pm contract.

Gajet said:
so not sure what is advertised
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Then allow me to enlighten you. If you go, for example here:
http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/Brands/HTC/b509/n447/p27241.aspx#tabsAnchor
you will see an HD2 for sale on contract with T-Mobile. It costs £35 a month, 18-month contract, phone is free, it gives you 700 minutes, "unlimited texts", and "unlimited mobile web". Do you imagine that this deal will give you Web'n'Walk Plus? Obviously, it won't. If you see a T-Mobile deal advertised as "unlimited internet" or "unlimited web", then what that means is that if you pay the amount of money mentioned in the advert, you will get the basic Web'n'Walk package. If you want the "Plus" package then you will have to pay another £5 per month over and above the cost of "unlimited web" to get it.
T-Mobile's own advertising is similar: if you want Web'n'Walk Plus you have to pay £5 a month more than you have to pay for the same phone with the standard Internet package.
Now seriously, this discussion is getting boring, so let's leave it at that.

Never had a problem with T-Mo, even the 2 months I went over 1GB (only by a hundred MB or so). Didn't even hear from them. On the other hand the only horror stories I've read with people getting enormous over-data charges (both local and roaming) have ALL been with Vodafone.
Data was slow at times a year ago but seems ok now. I also get far better reception at home & work on T-Mo with poor/no reception last time I was on Voda, but that's obviously a local issue and will vary, but it was a deciding factor for me..
Likewise despite the T&Cs saying messenger isn't allowed on the baic service, I've always been able to get on no problem.

recently tmobile had a promotional offer which ended in febuary pay and go £10 top up unlimited txt n web.i got the sim because i use it as modem on my shift i can access many sites the only problem i have is msn i dont know if w7 is causing the issue of signing in or tmobile.but when i use the sim on my hd2 msn works fine as long as i untick proxy.i discoverd if the proxy is ticked the auto update of email dosent work or msn so i unticked it.i have used the tmobile sim from streaming to large file downloads they havnt complained although they do have a slower connection then o2.i stopped using o2 they started complaining then they barded me.
i used tmobile sim as modem for few months i think i used more then 3gb

If you go over your plan limit then T-mobile will throttle your usage between 16.00 and 00.00 (midnight) by restricting your access to gprs speed for certain connections (streaming of video is barred etc).
Other than that it's business as usual.