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It's been 10 months since I bought my Athena. I was invited to do a review on it on the Mobilehornet site.
Here is the first installment of my review, hot from the press today.
http://www.mobilehornet.com/archives/962
Enjoy.
Nice Start
nice review, looking forward to reading your later installments
nice review ... i have mixed feelings about the md ... sureley 8gb ssd is doable and i would prefer that...
but the thing that initially set microdrive apart from the standard CF card when it first came out was the fact that it had immensly more storage compared to CF cards at the time..
so what you have to ask is why choose to only put in a 8gb when higher capacities are doable ?
These are all the five parts of the post review on Athena. Enjoy!
Part 1 - U1000 STORAGE
http://www.mobilehornet.com/archives/962
Part 2 - THE 5″ VGA SCREEN
http://www.mobilehornet.com/archives/1011
Part 3 - THE KEYBOARD
http://www.mobilehornet.com/archives/1031
Part 4 - AS A PHONE
http://www.mobilehornet.com/archives/1063
Part 5 - MULTIMEDIA POWER (You are here.)
http://www.mobilehornet.com/archives/1148
I fully agree, nice review, the best part is the ending:
"In fact, this is probably the best single device in the market today that does it all."
YES!
P.S.
Have you tried to use it connected with TRUE CONNECT 3.0 ? http://www.raspberrysoftware.com/
Full SMS integration with Outlook, a small powerfull laptop, and a WM phone wirth true connect. WHO NEEDS A SHIFT?
sergiopi said:
I fully agree, nice review, the best part is the ending:
"In fact, this is probably the best single device in the market today that does it all."
YES!
P.S.
Have you tried to use it connected with TRUE CONNECT 3.0 ? http://www.raspberrysoftware.com/
Full SMS integration with Outlook, a small powerfull laptop, and a WM phone wirth true connect. WHO NEEDS A SHIFT?
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Great software. To bad it isn't free...
sergiopi said:
I fully agree, nice review, the best part is the ending:
"In fact, this is probably the best single device in the market today that does it all."
YES!
P.S.
Have you tried to use it connected with TRUE CONNECT 3.0 ? http://www.raspberrysoftware.com/
Full SMS integration with Outlook, a small powerfull laptop, and a WM phone wirth true connect. WHO NEEDS A SHIFT?
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Thanks for the info. Will try it out.
sergiopi said:
I fully agree, nice review, the best part is the ending:
"In fact, this is probably the best single device in the market today that does it all."
YES!
P.S.
Have you tried to use it connected with TRUE CONNECT 3.0 ? http://www.raspberrysoftware.com/
Full SMS integration with Outlook, a small powerfull laptop, and a WM phone wirth true connect. WHO NEEDS A SHIFT?
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if you want a free program that does that without the outlook integration
http://www.mymobiler.com/
i use it ... love it
very nice review, i'm glad i was able to read it.
i am planning on buying one, i'm just waiting for hands on review of the x7510 then i'll decide between the x7500 or the x7510.
i want to know more about the new web browser on the x7510.
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cktlcmd said:
very nice review, i'm glad i was able to read it.
i am planning on buying one, i'm just waiting for hands on review of the x7510 then i'll decide between the x7500 or the x7510.
i want to know more about the new web browser on the x7510.
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I would love to get my hand on a x7510 too. ATM, all I know is that
1) it has 16GB SDD memory instead of the 8GB Microdrive. The capacity per se is not really an attraction for me, and I suspect for most users, as most of us are still prabably not using up a small portion of 8GB, given the ability to have large capacity microSDHC. But the fact that it is SDD is an attraction, abeit not a strong one, from the viewpoint of battery life, and hopefully reliability (an assumption at this stage, from my viewpoint). Currently I install almost all my programs on the microdrive (about 70 active ones and over 100 in total if I include those which I have uninstalled), and use only about 1 GB out of the total 8GB. All my big consuming files are in the microSHDC. This offers me the advantage of being able to change my storage card without affecting the device function, and offers unlimited logical capacity.
2) Better keyboard but losing out 4 hardware buttons. This to me is the real deciding factor. For those who prefer to use it notebook style, then the absence of hardware buttons is not an issue. For those who prefer to use it tablet style, however, the keyboard does not come into the equation while the lost of hardware buttons is a very serious concern. There are just too many things that you need the hardware buttons for. Just to list a few here:
- moving from one email to another.
- changing from one email account to another.
- changing the volume in MP3
- Go to next and previous songs in MP3
- blank out the screen or bring back the screen in MP3
- Pausing and resuming in MP3
With the hardware button, I could put my Athena in the pouch and never have to take it out while using the MP3. Without it, I need to take it out just to do simple thing like pausing and resuming.
The list goes on...
For me at least, x7510 is a significant disadvantage compared to the X750X, for reasons listed above.
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2) Better keyboard but losing out 4 hardware buttons.
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Yes, I agree about the buttons. I guess whoever designed it does not own one.
But the memory form (SSD) is another factor for me. Being 16 GB is another plus.
I intend to use it the same way as you do. Install all capable apps to the SSD 16 GB and all songs, movies, files, etc... to the micro SD.
I have a question, does the X7500 support SDHC? Is there a limit?
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cktlcmd said:
Yes, I agree about the buttons. I guess whoever designed it does not own one.
But the memory form (SSD) is another factor for me. Being 16 GB is another plus.
I intend to use it the same way as you do. Install all capable apps to the SSD 16 GB and all songs, movies, files, etc... to the micro SD.
I have a question, does the X7500 support SDHC? Is there a limit?
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Not SDHC. Only supports Mini or Micro cards due to the slot size.
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Not SDHC. Only supports Mini or Micro cards due to the slot size.
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I believe it DOES support SDHC MiniSD cards - but I could be wrong.
Thanks for the replies. So I guess for now, were stuck at 8GB. I read somewhere Sandisk is releasing a 16 GB micro SDHC this summer. The problem is it's not gon'na be cheap.
I saw this: http://www.supermediastore.com/sandisk-8gb-microsd-transflash-memory-card.html It's 8GB and SDHC, will this work?
Provided I am right (I believe I am but not 100% certain), then yes it would, but isn't it cheaper at Amazon?
http://www.amazon.com/Sandisk-Micro...M?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1207398928&sr=8-2
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Thanks for the replies. So I guess for now, were stuck at 8GB. I read somewhere Sandisk is releasing a 16 GB micro SDHC this summer. The problem is it's not gon'na be cheap.
I saw this: http://www.supermediastore.com/sandisk-8gb-microsd-transflash-memory-card.html It's 8GB and SDHC, will this work?
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Your link shows a microSDHC, not a SDHC.
To summarise,it would not supper SD and SDHC, but would support microSD, microSDHC, miniSD, and miniSDHC.
To use micro sized cards, you need an adaptor.
There seems to be a slight misunderstanding of terms here.
Strictly speaking, you are right eaglesteve but I believe cktlcmd was using SDHC in the more generic term as just the HC part of it and was fully aware of the physical siuze differences and was asking about the Highr capacities so was really asking
does the X7500 support MiniSDHC?
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Confucious said:
Provided I am right (I believe I am but not 100% certain), then yes it would, but isn't it cheaper at Amazon?
http://www.amazon.com/Sandisk-Micro...M?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1207398928&sr=8-2
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Thanks for the link.
eaglesteve said:
Your link shows a microSDHC, not a SDHC.
To summarise,it would not supper SD and SDHC, but would support microSD, microSDHC, miniSD, and miniSDHC.
To use micro sized cards, you need an adaptor.
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Sorry for not clarifying, it was my mistake...
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There seems to be a slight misunderstanding of terms here.
Strictly speaking, you are right eaglesteve but I believe cktlcmd was using SDHC in the more generic term as just the HC part of it and was fully aware of the physical siuze differences and was asking about the Highr capacities so was really asking
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Yes, I was refering to the generic term. Thanks for clarifying.
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No problem mates. Whenever SDHC is used, I have a very specific size is mind, but I know sometimes it is used loosely which creates confusion in communication. Anyway, glad that your question is fully answered. Cheers.
I think there is one more big 'advantage' of x7510 over x7501. x7510 offers USB 2.0 so can now think of using it as PMC. Not to mention the great reliabilty of SSD
soo.... i see very little discussion about this.
has anybody here looked into actually porting the iphone os
heres a link to get you going if you havent
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/07/13/iphone-os-x-architecture-the-mach-kernel-and-ram/
i know people say you cant...
hardwares not the same. man i asked a stupid question to fast. sorry. next time i will think.
i just think it would be fun. i probably would not use it very long since it wouldnt be very functional on anything other than its true hardware. since i doubt anybody has the kinda time it would take to get a full working version.
Easiest way to do this is wait till July 11th, save up $199 and go buy an Iphone if you want one that badely!
Unfortunately, because of the different processor architechture, you'd need to basically rebuild the core/kernel...
And, since it's virtually impossible to even get into the kernel, that seems like it could take a long time
The kernel is not part of the software image that crackers have been looking at. Instead, it sits on its own encrypted disk image, which appears to require massive brute force efforts to decrypt. If it is ever unlocked, it will likely have to involve a workaround crack, because it is scrambled with a long enough key that makes simply guessing the password virtually impossible.
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That is a typically badly written, lousily research roughly draughted article.
Saying that "other phones are limited to 2gig" and having the N95 with SDHC support there - ie. it can take 4/8/16/32gig as and when they become available.
And so what if the other phones have less memory - they don't need it! Symbian has been designed from the ground up for mobile devices.
Symbian are trying to catch up on functionality???? Where does that load of rubbish come from? The Symbian and iPhone browsers have the same underlying engine, and the S60 browser is about as fully featured as any.
clonmult said:
That is a typically badly written, lousily research roughly draughted article.
Saying that "other phones are limited to 2gig" and having the N95 with SDHC support there - ie. it can take 4/8/16/32gig as and when they become available.
And so what if the other phones have less memory - they don't need it! Symbian has been designed from the ground up for mobile devices.
Symbian are trying to catch up on functionality???? Where does that load of rubbish come from? The Symbian and iPhone browsers have the same underlying engine, and the S60 browser is about as fully featured as any.
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Symbian does hang quite alot (N95 release build for example...)
Also, most devices have SDHC now, which is up to 32 (maybe 64GB soon). And, a large number of WM devices have more RAM than 64MB anyway...
WM has far more functionality than the iPhone OS, and both S60 and WM have developers
And now this thread has turned into yet another iPhone flame
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Symbian does hang quite alot (N95 release build for example...)
Also, most devices have SDHC now, which is up to 32 (maybe 64GB soon).
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That is partly true my device only supports SDHC cards(even with the hack at this point in time) up to 4gb(if there was a 5gb card that be the max it supports, not even 6gb shows up in full).
yrsmart said:
That is partly true my device only supports SDHC cards(even with the hack at this point in time) up to 4gb(if there was a 5gb card that be the max it supports, not even 6gb shows up in full).
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I'd guess therefore that your device doesn't have the SDHC hardware (SDHC uses longer address bytes), and has instead had the drivers patched to recognise SDHC cards rather than be truly SDHC compliant.
HTC reports 32gb microSDHC 2.0 as supported, which *should* allow contiguous fat 32, but some have claimed the phone itself can only format the first (presumed) 16gb.
Further, there is *nothing* released regarding architecture (i.e. SPI and/or 4 bit modes, voltage, min/max read/write speeds, 'n such). Not even which class *may* exceed their capabilities.
Am I the only one upset over this lack of disclosure, or have we all been lulled into submission by this great new device? and, oh, yes, it is kinda great... but I digress.
I need engineering details specific to the HTC Droid Incredible, beyond the marketing strategies and press releases, if anybody's got 'em yet. Much appreciated ...
Not to be so negative or cynical but what are you going to build a phone? Are you trying to get attention? Please explain in detail what you need this info for I am really interested and if its for ANDROID then I won't ask you to move your post. But if this has nothing to do with ANDROID then please do not post in here. Read the title of the section it says Droid Incredible ANDROID development not Droid Incredible Development. Last I checked SD card readers are not specific to Android. There is a general section where this could go and live in peace.
That was incredibly hostile.
I think that this is a perfectly valid question, even given that it's in the Development forum.
Maybe Developing a workaround is not to be considered development?
Maybe it just requires some modifications to the related kernel module? In my opinion, that has a lot to do with ANDROID the operating system that you so vehemently barked at him about.
Not to be so negative or cynical but what are you going to build a phone?
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Think about what you just said, and think about where we are. There was no need for your remark.
tdavis42 said:
1. Not to be so negative or cynical but what are you going to build a phone? Are you trying to get attention?
2. Please explain in detail what you need this info for I am really interested and if its for ANDROID then I won't ask you to move your post. But if this has nothing to do with ANDROID then please do not post in here.
3. Read the title of the section it says Droid Incredible ANDROID development not Droid Incredible Development.
4. Last I checked SD card readers are not specific to Android. There is a general section where this could go and live in peace.
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1. We had nine phones at my last count, two of which are Increds, of which mine is reportedly 13th sold locally, so... no, I've no desire to build a phone. And, to 'show off' via the 'net is *almost* as stupid as arguing needlessly w/in forums.
2. Uhmm...No; I'd tell you why, but then they'd kill us both.
(Just kidding) But, anybody that wishes to develop for the droid OS on this Incred I' m poking' the virtual keys on *should* have enough creative thought w/in to think of many reasons: This post is exactly where it belongs.
3. Answered above. But, further, perhaps you should consider my questions nearly so well as I review forum hierarchies prior to posting them.
4. Uhmm.. remove the cover carefully, and you should find the exact same slot w/in your Incred as I'm considering w/in mine. Now, beyond using cables, there are a number of wireless methods that make cards inserted there accessible...
But, my questions remain: What speeds are consistently available for microSDHC read and write in the HTC Android Incredible, and under which conditions were they measured? Is this device capable of SPI and/or 4 bit mode(s)? Can this device format the full 32gb internally, and is the entire volume available?
Now, if you have the answers, I'm anxiously awaiting your response. And, if you don't have the answers, remember that I don't either; just gettin' started here. Either way? Kindly quit peein' all over my post
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snipped.... I think that this is a perfectly valid question, even given that it's in the Development forum.
Maybe Developing a workaround ...snipped... just requires some modifications to the related kernel module? In my opinion, that has a lot to do with ANDROID the operating system ...snipped
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I'm brand new to this current flavor of OS, beyond following along conceptually, but you're thinkin' about the relationship between devices and the OS/Apps developed to operate/run 'em in the right way ...
I usually get the cheapest tires that will serve my needs, 'cause I'm poor as the dirt I drive on, but wouldn't it be wisest to select a speed/load rating that barely exceeds the limits of the vehicle, and a size/pattern that suits the driving conditions?
Not the best analogy, but ... continuing w/ it anyhow:
If you were really hopin' to tweak performance, then you'd need all the details you could get, like suspension design and torque 'n such.
Not that I'm focused on gaining root, but I suspect the answer would be most easily discovered by those w/ the greatest understanding of exactly what the Snapdragon can do w/in the architecture of the Incred, and every possible detail about Droid 2.1 Linux kernel.
And, the answers to my questions may prove most important to them, too
LegionTHEFecalExcretion said:
Think about what you just said, and think about where we are. There was no need for your remark.
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Lets play nice guys
microsd speed (htc support)
Official position is that class 2 devices are guaranteed, but that the HTC Droid Incredible may exceed class 4 ... no specific details are provided to techs beyond this statement, but response time was INCREDibly fast.
cowcreekgeek said:
But, my questions remain: What speeds are consistently available for microSDHC read and write in the HTC Android Incredible, and under which conditions were they measured? Is this device capable of SPI and/or 4 bit mode(s)? Can this device format the full 32gb internally, and is the entire volume available?
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The HTC website lists the external expansion as:
Expansion Slot
microSD™ memory card (SD 2.0 compatible)
Up to 32 GB card support. No pre-installed card.
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Of course, Verizon is distributing the phone with a 2gb card.
The SD 2.0 standard is listed as (Not on HTC's site):
SD 2.0 offers FAT32 formatting as well as a maximum capacity of 32GB - sizes of 4GB and above are not compatible with existing SD 1.0/1.1 standards. Any SD card that are 4GB and above in capacity will be dubbed SD High Capacity (SDHC), although the transfer rates of the new format maxes out at a paltry 6MB/s.
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The classes that are available and supported are defined by the SD Association which defines them as:
Speed Class 2 guarantees a minimum transfer speed of 2 mega bytes per second (MB/s)
Speed Class 4 guarantees a minimum transfer speed of 4 MB/s
Speed Class 6 guarantees a minimum transfer speed of 6 MB/s.
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So since HTC has stated the device supports SD 2.0, it is already saying it supports the related standards so it supports up to the defined Class 6 speeds of 6 MB/s which is defined by the standard. That is most likely the only answer you will end up with unless an independent lab does tests and releases that info. I'm sure HTC isn't going to bother defining it more than it simply being SD 2.0 compatible. Not sure I've seen any other mfg do so.
You of course end up with a can of worms with regards to the "source" of the cards you buy, whether they are in fact what they are labeled as etc... There is a lot of forged and fraudulent cards out there.
BTW, up to 32GB support does not mean the device can format that.... just that it supports it. That would be one continuous Fat32 block of space sans the amount you lose when you format any memory device. Not having had the chance to play with one, I'm not sure what that total would be, but I'm sure it is calculable.
Just keep in mind that Class Ratings = Write Speeds. Read Speeds varies by the SD controller card and by the phone's processor. Also I tend to stick with brands more than class ratings and SanDisk has always treated me well whether it's been MicroSDHC Cards or Duo Pro Memory Sticks. Sometimes Kingston's cards are cheaper with more or less the same results. I need to leave the house now but I will post more tonight on the subject if someone doesn't beat me to it =p.
Excellent points, and thank you for your input. Although I follow your logic, I'm not entirely certain that HTC's claim to "support" 2.0 requires they read/write @ full speed.
In regard to card org's standards? I can't afford the required fee to gain access to complete specifications (playin' by the rules can be frustrating, in that I know *exactly* where the pdf I wish most to read resides).
In regard to card quality/performance? I've bookmarked a few programmers' comments, remembering one who discovered a transcend card's failure to properly respond to SPI mode access, despite claiming full compliance.
An aging but still excellent comparison of many SD/sdhc cards w/in a specific NIKON camera is with lookin' at:
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/camera_multi_page.asp?cid=6007-9597
I've played w/ a few benchmark tools, but have not found comfort in their findings when measuring two Increds (one w/ microSD, the other w/o) under various, but identical, scenarios. I may have to temporarily focus on building a different app, if I can' t find another way to compile the data req'd.
God knows I can't afford to buy one of each card, just to figure all this out.
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Just keep in mind that Class Ratings = Write Speeds. Read Speeds varies by the SD controller card and by the phone's processor. Also I tend to stick with brands more than class ratings and SanDisk has always treated me well whether it's been MicroSDHC Cards or Duo Pro Memory Sticks. Sometimes Kingston's cards are cheaper with more or less the same results ...(snipped)
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Thanks, and so very true ... I've already seen wild variances that seem to depend more upon sizes of file(s) and buffer settings than class ratings. In fact, some slower cards have seemed to outperform their betters under certain conditions, presuming benchmark results prove to be accurate.
Speaking of those memory stick pro duos? I bought all but the last one in stock from each of several local clearance stores (for literally pennies in some cases), w/ the intention of stacking under SPI mode. Still haven't gotten around to it, but our Sony's haven't req'd us to delete pictures for a very long time
For "bang for your buck", I would recommend this SanDisk 16GB MicroSDHC. This is probably the one I will be buying myself, so if you want to wait a week I can give you guys real Incredible performance details. However, be warned that it is a Class 2 device. It seems to have been designed with phones in mind (and specifically mentions working well on HTC devices). Saves you a few $ by not including an SD adapter or USB reader. I was impressed by the speeds noted by the user in their PC configuration, but of course I will keep an eye out for better deals and any proven information.
In some scenarios, I've seen a class 2 sandisk perform better than a class 6 dane-elec, but I'm thinking a bit forward about all this ... lookin' to run (or, at minimum, support) app(s) from the card. And, there may be a few more tricks comin' soon.
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Hi guys,
Lately ive been trying to get Android running on my HD2…
Ive successfully flashed the HD2 to android friendly ROMs, and installed versions of Android to my SD card… but I cannot get it to run.
I have read some things about needing a certain SD (file system, or a certain type of card/partion size?)… can someone please tell me if my SD card is android compatible… if I can just format it or if I need another card?
The SD card I have is a SanDisk 16GB MicroSDHC. I thought I heard something about needing a “Level/Class 4” or something, but I don’t know what that means.
I hope this question makes enough sense, and someone can break it down for me.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Cheers.
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Hi guys,
Lately ive been trying to get Android running on my HD2…
Ive successfully flashed the HD2 to android friendly ROMs, and installed versions of Android to my SD card… but I cannot get it to run.
I have read some things about needing a certain SD (file system, or a certain type of card/partion size?)… can someone please tell me if my SD card is android compatible… if I can just format it or if I need another card?
The SD card I have is a SanDisk 16GB MicroSDHC. I thought I heard something about needing a “Type 4” or something, but I don’t know what that means.
I hope this question makes enough sense, and someone can break it down for me.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Cheers.
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your sd card is fine. I've ran many android builds off that microSD, which if I'm assuming correctly is the one that comes with the HD2. Do a full format, not quick (so uncheck that box in windows). The preferred allocation size is 32k. If that doesn't work try formatting with SDFormatter
Thanks for your reply mate.
It is the SD card that came with my HD2, but I have the Telstra Version (T9193), so im not sure if it shipped with the same SD card world-wide.
I have just done some more research on the Class/Level Numbers of these SD cards, and I think the Class/Level Number is marked on the card with a circle around it, if that’s the case I have a Class/Level 2 card.
Thanks again for your reply, hopefully once I format the card, I will have more success than I had previously had.
Cheers.
one more thing though... what filesystem should i format the card to?
cheers.
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one more thing though... what filesystem should i format the card to?
cheers.
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FAT32, always
Edit: Yes, SanDisk class 2 is the same card mine came with. I've heard of some people getting them with 2GB cards, but I think for the most part 16GB calss 2 are what most people got.
no problem, thank you for your help.
it says right on the box it comes with a 16gb sd card.. if yours came with something else then the rep or the store owner took the 16gb card out and replaced it.
some shady stores would do this and try to sell you the card it came with.
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it says right on the box it comes with a 16gb sd card.. if yours came with something else then the rep or the store owner took the 16gb card out and replaced it.
some shady stores would do this and try to sell you the card it came with.
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i have no doubt the card i have is the card i was supposed to receive, i just wasnt sure if it was compatible with android.
cheers man.
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it says right on the box it comes with a 16gb sd card.. if yours came with something else then the rep or the store owner took the 16gb card out and replaced it.
some shady stores would do this and try to sell you the card it came with.
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Tmous got 16gb cards. Euro got 2gb ones.
Corrections, and swift answer
Firstly, flash storage devices marked as class 2 or class 4 would have nothing to do with comptibilty. Flash storage classes are the specifications of the maximum theoretical limit transfer speeds for that type of flash storage device. Take a look at this wiki article to learn more at wiki secure digital class rating article. Next, the type of storage device needs to be specified as microSD rather than SD since they are different flash types. And lastly the proper terms for storage sizes need to be used. GB means Gigabyte which is 1x10^9 bytes or 8x10^9 bits as 8 bits=1 byte, and Gb is Gigabit. The problem doesn't lie in the syntax or intended use of, it lies in the dumbing down, so should someone be wanting to learn these things they are getting taught wrong.
And for the swift answer, no class never makes a difference on compatiblity just whether it has the suffix HC or not, which stands for High Capacity as is reserved for any storage amount of 4GB to 32GB in which case is goes to XC which stands for extreme capactity and is reserved for 64GB to 2TB(TB=terabytes). The only reason this matters is each type of suffix is actually signifying a new type of transfer protocol which requires a firmware upgrade to read the new format(key work firmware not hardware, as one example even the oldest SD card reader could read a 128GB card with a proper firmware upgrade, albiet at lower transfer rates). And the format fat32 is typically used as the standard external storage filesystem.
I hope this answers any and all questions, always remember, what your writing doesn't just apply to you and your not the only one involved. Your words reflect like a butterflies wings.
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Firstly, flash storage devices marked as class 2 or class 4 would have nothing to do with comptibilty. Flash storage classes are the specifications of the maximum theoretical limit transfer speeds for that type of flash storage device. Take a look at this wiki article to learn more at wiki secure digital class rating article. Next, the type of storage device needs to be specified as microSD rather than SD since they are different flash types. And lastly the proper terms for storage sizes need to be used. GB means Gigabyte which is 1x10^9 bytes or 8x10^9 bits as 8 bits=1 byte, and Gb is Gigabit. The problem doesn't lie in the syntax or intended use of, it lies in the dumbing down, so should someone be wanting to learn these things they are getting taught wrong.
And for the swift answer, no class never makes a difference on compatiblity just whether it has the suffix HC or not, which stands for High Capacity as is reserved for any storage amount of 4GB to 32GB in which case is goes to XC which stands for extreme capactity and is reserved for 64GB to 2TB(TB=terabytes). The only reason this matters is each type of suffix is actually signifying a new type of transfer protocol which requires a firmware upgrade to read the new format(key work firmware not hardware, as one example even the oldest SD card reader could read a 128GB card with a proper firmware upgrade, albiet at lower transfer rates). And the format fat32 is typically used as the standard external storage filesystem.
I hope this answers any and all questions, always remember, what your writing doesn't just apply to you and your not the only one involved. Your words reflect like a butterflies wings.
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Whilst your knowledge is great, the fact that you're unnecessarily bringing up an old thread from 2010 is not. I understand the need for 10 posts, and using your knowledge to help others in order to get 10 posts is the best way of doing it, but do it on new threads rather than old ones please.
I Just seen the Elocity A10 listed on tiger.
64GB $699
32GB $599
4GB $449 the 16GB not even listed on tiger
WLAN N
Claiming true multi touch this time for A10's
still ships with 2.2 froyo
Looks like the same pointless 1.3mp cam and still front facing(yes I know web cam)
with all the extra space you would think they would switch to full size SD
I truly have nothing against the elocity. I have an A7 with the 1.3 dex mod loving it, but wife wants it so I'm gonna spring for a Enspert Identy tab E201U. Looks promising and very comparable.
The tablet eLocity A10 and prices, and mt discussed already here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=941603
A10 models starting to show up.
I just saw all 3 models of eLocity A10 on Tiger Direct for pre-order today. Amazon has it up but only on adding to wishlist when it becomes available. I am soo tempted right now to take my A7 back and get this A10 for just an extra 100 dollars to spend. I wonder if it is even worth it. If SteamTV can't release a fix for the sdram issue or at least add upgrade to gingerbread, I'm going to A10.
Poradicus said:
I just saw all 3 models of eLocity A10 on Tiger Direct for pre-order today. Amazon has it up but only on adding to wishlist when it becomes available. I am soo tempted right now to take my A7 back and get this A10 for just an extra 100 dollars to spend. I wonder if it is even worth it. If SteamTV can't release a fix for the sdram issue or at least add upgrade to gingerbread, I'm going to A10.
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What "sdram issue" ?
Sorry meant SD Mirco card where it wouldn't work properly with A7.
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Sorry meant SD Mirco card where it wouldn't work properly with A7.
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What issue? I don't have any issues with sdcard...
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this is all a misunderstanding of how tablets are supposed to work, and caused by the fact that android 2.2 is made for a phone with external memory cards, and less to nothing of internal memory.
the current installation where apps are "moved" to internal storage is actually how vendors are trying to implement 2 types of storage.
comparing this to a mobile with just sdcard, and android 2.2 only supporting one storage type, the preferred storage becomes the "internal" and sdcard handling as you notice is now pointing to a location with the internal storage location.
the mountpoint at the internal storage location is planned based on the fact that users coming from an android based mobile knows alot about where to find data, which is in the storage location, so its put as mount at the storage so its easy to access, and not actually any bug at all.
so until better handling is presented (hopefully 3.0) people will continue to think that the handling is wrong or something is not wright here, but it is correct.
your internal storage of "just" 1.5GB is the preferred location, as tablets are not meant to have sdcards as preferred storage, if you chose not to put a sdcard into the tablet. so the choice was easy, use internal storage for android so ppl didnt need to buy additional cards.
but the lack of storage internally is a vendor decision, not a bug or not "the android way" a problem in any way..
imagine, those users without any sdcard, being unable to use the feature of android to a storage, and needed to use data storage for all files, that would look strange, if you didnt have the option available..
it could have been planned differently but vendors (all of the tegra2 vendors) has chosen this path, which could have been done differently but its all relate to apps and how they expect your device to work..
a long explanation, but remember 2.2 is not made for tablets, it made for small devices with external memory cards, which is long overdue and is followed up with the new android 3.0 which hopefully solves your problem.
conclusion,
Nvidia could have chosen a different way of using android, but they're still rather new to the platform and their design is not without problems yet (honeycomb will show that too), so if they used real planning and organized memory and sdcard handling like 2.2 was made for, you would have no problems at all. Remember Nvidia designed it this way, and they are the reason you have problems..Lack of knowledge of design and functionality, like BMW trying to make graphics card for a pc, coming from designing cars, their work would not be in a class like nvidia graphics, but probably ok..but far from good..
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to answer you last question, usb to pc..
ill figure some idea out on the next update, as the tablet do support host/client usb port setup (recently confirmed), but i think you noticed the tablet don't have a port for connecting to your pc for now..
to enable the usb to pc connectivity you need a special usb cable, and software that changes the usb port mode. which can be solved, but disables the functionality of usb sticks etc, connecting to it.
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Yet another in a line of many "problems" that could have been solved by reading the information that is already here.