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short battery life - TYTN

I have a v1605, and am getting alarmingly short battery life out of it. For example -
7pm: fully charged
>> one 10 minute call, about 10 emails received
4am: completely dead
The only thing I have running is Goodlink push email... I'm not sure how often that polls/ is active, but I cant believe it's all about Goodlink - they wouldnt still be in business. I have the screen on its dimmest, and set to turn off after 10 second of inactivity.
So my question is - what kind of battery life are people getting?
The best I've had is 24 hours - anyone get consistently more than that?

Tytn battery life
One other thought is that I'm currently roaming on Voda in Japan, and so am on an entirely 3G network.
Does anyone know if 3G is more power-hungry than 2G?

Re: Tytn battery life
timbatop said:
One other thought is that I'm currently roaming on Voda in Japan, and so am on an entirely 3G network.
Does anyone know if 3G is more power-hungry than 2G?
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3G consumes more battery than normal gsm

Goodlink is a notorious powerhog, too...

My 1 GB Twinmos memory card was draining my battery. Switched back to my 512 MB card and and the battery life was doubled...

Never the less TyTN should live longer. Perhaps smth is wrong with the battary

As an indicator, I spend around 2 hours on calls and receive around 150 mails a day via Vodafone Blackberry push email Client, with the phone swapping between GPRS and 3G for connectivity.
My phone is fully charged at 7am and by early afternoon (3ish) I get the battery low message.

I was also experiencing short battery life with my TyTn and found that when I forced the phone to only use GSM my battery life was extended by 24Hrs.
If I want to use the phone for 3G or HSDPA I then enabled it.
To adjust the setting, go to "Settings", "Phone", "Band" and adjust Network Type to "GSM"

GoodLink battery drain

Battery is draining too fast when 8525 is connected data mode ( Goodlink or Xpress.)
This forced Cingular to postpone the imminant release of 8525
Any body is noticing this with the TyTn ?

Goodlink is a notorious battery killer on many devices...
I used to use Xpressmail on my SX66, and it was also a battery killer (and extremely unstable).
I'm not using either program on my TyTN though...
I'm using Exchange ActiveSync with DirectPush via PDAConnect (and isp.cingular APN). I've seen no issues whatsoever with battery life.

goestoeleven said:
I'm using Exchange ActiveSync with DirectPush via PDAConnect (and isp.cingular APN). I've seen no issues whatsoever with battery life.
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Goesto11, do you have to have the PDAConnect plan with Cingular to get pushmail without using Goodlink, or can I get it with just unlimited Medianet plan?

I have been on 3G, with DirectPush from my exchange server and battery's down to 50% since morning ..

I don't use Goodlink at all (never did).
Unlimited MediaNet forces you to use wap.cingular, which can cause timeout issues (see Sleuth's notes on the subject).
There is definitely better performance on mail delivery / polling frequency (and thus battery life) on using isp.cingular, which is only available with PDAConnect.
Whether or not the improvements are worth an extra $20/mo is a personal decision...

austin_boy ... OT .. Any news of anymore ROMs from Cingular?

@austin_boy: I can test this on my TyTN to see if the problem reproduces (Indicating hardware or not). Is v1.34 the ROM I should be using?

Cingular release of 8525
Does anyone know when Cingular plans to release this phone? My SX-66 is on its last legs.

Goesto11... thanks for the info.
Jhouse... that's the question of the year. No one knows. Speculation has been wild all over the internet. Some piece of Cingular literature said Oct. 29th, and then that ended up being an outdated piece of literature. I've heard everything from tomorrow all the way through the end of the year as release dates. Don't bother asking any of the sales people in any of the retail stores. They don't know either.
There is no one place on the net to go to keep updated on the status, but if I had to suggest a couple places to keep in tune to everyday to see if any news about it comes up, it would be Engadget Mobile (www.engadgetmobile.com) or Cingular's HTC forum (forums.cingular.com and then click on 'Cingular/HTC' and do a search for 8525). Take what they say in that forum with a grain of salt though.

Be patient. The release is imminent (before the holidays). No operator will launch a device with a potential defect. The battery problem is on the way to get solved

austin_boy said:
Be patient. The release is imminent (before the holidays). No operator will launch a device with a potential defect. The battery problem is on the way to get solved
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You evidently don't have Sprint
<---Patiently (not really) waiting

@austin_boy:
If you need more testing done prior to release, you know where to drop off the "fixed" ROM...

I have noticed the Battery drain on my Tytn, but it is only a problem when connected to 3G. Seems to be a little better on the Cingular 1.34 rom, than the stock Tytn 1.18.
I am in a 3G area all the time so my Tytn is always connected to the 3G network using the Cingular isp.cingular APN. When I first got the Tytn, the battery would go down 50 to 60 percent overnight without use(only push email with about 10 emails rec'd) if left in the Auto selection (it seems to search for the signal when set to Auto). It would only go down maybe 10 percent if set to GSM only. And would go down 30 to 50 percent if set to 3G only.
I let the battery run out several times in between full charges and it seems to be better.
I have found it is better to set the network band to either GSM/1900-850 or Wcdma/1900-850 and the battery lasts longer. Yes, it lasts a lot longer on GSM, but if I wanted just GPRS/EDGE why buy the Tytn. SO I usually set it to 3g.
I charge it on my daily commute (45 minutes) while listening/watching morning TV and the occasional call via bluetooth. Receive probably 35 to 60 emails via MSexchange Push. Make approx 10 to 15 calls and occasional surfing the web while on the phone. I sometimes have to charge it during my day at the office, but it will usually last until my drive home.
So, yes the battery does not last very long. My Prophet and Universal can easily last more than a day. But I love that 3g speed. So, if you have a tytn; get a charger for home, work and a car charger also.
I am hoping another Cingular Rom shows up for more testing.....

Do I have a dud battery??

Hi,
Got my Hermes (xda trion) very recently. Have noticed a battery performance about as good as that of the Exec.
In fact, had full charge yesterday at 12pm. I now have 30% left (4:50pm). Bluetooth and wireless have been off. Call time: 9 mins exactly. Push email on (fairly good 3G reception). That's all the useage it's had.
Is this what I should be expecting from the Trion or have I got a dud battery??
Thanks in advance,
HPJ

HPJ said:
Hi,
Got my Hermes (xda trion) very recently. Have noticed a battery performance about as good as that of the Exec.
In fact, had full charge yesterday at 12pm. I now have 30% left (4:50pm). Bluetooth and wireless have been off. Call time: 9 mins exactly. Push email on (fairly good 3G reception). That's all the useage it's had.
Is this what I should be expecting from the Trion or have I got a dud battery??
Thanks in advance,
HPJ
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HPJ,
I too found that my battery ran out of power very quickly - but only when at work during the week. The problem appears to have been caused by the Vario II (Hermes) spending all day jumping back and forward between networks whilst hunting for the best signal - only an issue at work.
I would recommend that you try one of Daniel's applications - he is working on Comm Manager Pro at the moment but I think that Bandswitch will probably help you - it solved my battery life issue completely. Although the Bandswitch application (very small footprint) will not increase the signal you may find that forcing the phone to operate in a particular band helps - this is very easily achieved via the Bandswitch interface rather than going into settings each time. I now regularly switch to GSM each day when I get to work and it has solved my battery run-down issue completely!
Comm Manager Pro does much the same and more. It allows you to define a location (according to Cell ID and LAC Code) from which you can set the CMP application to (amongst other functions) switch to a particular band - or even turn the phone off).
I hope this helps you. I'd just posted this elsewhere on this site and you will find plenty on both Bandswitch (linked) and CMP too.

Immense help, thank you Tony.
So if I understand this right, I have downloaded BandSwitch and run it, and I can now choose at will whether I want to use 3G (UMTS) or normal speed (GSM)? And for the phone to not have to continually decide which to use, I'm saving loads of battery? Simple as that?
I am currently testing, and fingers crossed it has solved the problem.
HPJ

I havent found this to be a problem with my TyTN, walking around Uni all day I get varying areas of GSM and UMTS. Ive quite happily left it uncharged for a few days and still been left with around 25% charge remaining. The two main causes of battery drain i have noticed (as a trend in threads requesting help over the last year) have been the radio version and sometimes 3rd party apps.
What is your radio version??
also what apps have you installed?? (include the O2 crap)

Hi Mr Vanx, and thanks for taking a look.
The only apps I have are PocketTv (not even used yet), Kevtris (game), Sprite Backup (from O2, and Adobe reader (also from o2). Thats it.
The details of the phone are:
ROM version: 2.15.206.1
ROM date: 03/23/07
Radion version: 1.38.00.00
Protocol version: 32.71.7020.12H
ExtROM version: 2.15.206.101
Thanks for any help you can give.

Battery performance is terrible
I have tried upgrading my Tytn from WM5 to WM6, WM6 Black 2.5 and now on Black 3. The battery perfomance seems to be getting steadily worse.
If I leave it on my desk in a great 3G area on standby with just push email running (no wireless, bluetooth or anything else), I get about 6 hours sometimes 7. I don;t use it to make phone calls (I'm deaf) although I get the occasional text.
What's up with that? It doesn't even last a working day. Any suggestions?
ROM Version: Pro Black 3.0
ROM Date: 01/04/07
Radio Version: 1.41.00.10
Protocol Version: 32.74.7020.18H

superchimp said:
I have tried upgrading my Tytn from WM5 to WM6, WM6 Black 2.5 and now on Black 3. The battery perfomance seems to be getting steadily worse.
If I leave it on my desk in a great 3G area on standby with just push email running (no wireless, bluetooth or anything else), I get about 6 hours sometimes 7. I don;t use it to make phone calls (I'm deaf) although I get the occasional text.
What's up with that? It doesn't even last a working day. Any suggestions?
ROM Version: Pro Black 3.0
ROM Date: 01/04/07
Radio Version: 1.41.00.10
Protocol Version: 32.74.7020.18H
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The common factor with your case and the one above is Pushmail. There are a few things to consider here and they are outlined in the links that follow. In summary some folks find with Pushmail enabled the battery drains very fast, others notice little effect. So it may be a combination of things you may need to look at:
First to confirm it's pushmail causing the problem - you could run a test day with it not running.
How often is pushmail activated (reduce frequency)
Should you set to use GSM only - uses less battery
Do you get several e-mails large size etc etc
Is your device activating - though possibly not using wifi when pushmail is activated?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=269840
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=274695
Mike

Battery Draining

Hi All!
I have a Diamond 2 I bought 2 months ago.
I tried many roms lately but with most i cannot get more than 15-17h Battery
I dont talk much on the phone...i dont really surf from it...i just have my hotmail linked in it.
I recalibrated the battery on last flash still the same. I am using Nhaohoa rom (build 23529), i m using radio 4.49.25.91. I dont use wifi.
Which consumes less power? 3G or HSPDA? or?
Any can suggest a different rom that is very fast and stable and can give better battery time?
Thanks!!!
(sorry for posting it before in the wrong section)

youngmann said:
Hi All!
Which consumes less power? 3G or HSPDA? or?
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I cannot give you general information for your other questions, but afaik, 3G (HSDPA is only the faster version of standard UMTS bandwith) consumes more power than GSM (GPRS/EDGE), so I have my TD2 set to use GPRS only. 3G i use only, when necessary. My battery keeps a day, too. But I use my device heavily for making calls and internet, so i guess, thats okay when i have to charge my device so often.
Another thing is, what increases the power consumption is a low signals strength and/or how often you lose your connection. Maybe your signal strength is more stable if you use GPRS only. You can verify, if you have an active data connection even if you not use the internet.
I'm not sure, how much the battery life depends on the rom, but I'm comfortable with my current udk rom.
~Eyghon

[Q] xperia x2 module SL4

hey there
i just got back my x2 from service (sent there cuz battery lasts 1 day !!! - in standby) well i got it back and here are the results:
problem wasnt found
reset software module SL4
battery test - ok
now id like to know what the lollypop is that module SL4

indycar said:
hey there
i just got back my x2 from service (sent there cuz battery lasts 1 day !!! - in standby)
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I don't know what SL4 is.
But a day is absolutely normal for a phone with HSPA enabled and activsync connection turned on all the time.

1 day with only
winMO
3G off
sound n vibes off
no panels slideshow whatsoever
and u say 1 day is normal

indycar said:
1 day with only
winMO
3G off
sound n vibes off
no panels slideshow whatsoever
and u say 1 day is normal
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What is relevant on the consumption side is 3G/push email/data exchange and (obviously) apps stuck @100%.
Everything else will not change greatly the battery performance

everything is set to power savings whatever i could find here on xda forums and few tricks up my sleeve
ohhh 1day is when my phone is just turned on no calls made/recieved screen in
standby and full gsm signal

I get almost 30 hours 3g,calls (4h) without charging,no majour mods done,upgraded to latest firmware and sd card fix.
THERE IS something wrong there,if you dont talk or play with the phone it (airplane mode) it should last 2 nights,mine did so.

mrqro said:
THERE IS something wrong there
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Not necessarily.
The battery performance is strongly depended on the network conditions.
And this not means just 3G v.s 2G, or good/bad reception conditions.
There are many other variables: the 3G type (plain UMTS, HSDPA 1.8/3.6/7.2/more, HSUPA and so on), the 2G type (plain GSM, the number of GPRS timeslots enabled, the coding scheme used, the presence of EDGE and it's different revisions) and so on.
This is still not enough, you have to consider if your GSM network is on 900 or 1800 band, and you have to take in account different performances if the BTS (or nodeb) are built by one producer rather than another, and its firmware revision.
All in all you can compare the performance only if you are living in the same place and you are using the same provider.
Just for example, my Milestone (with it's intitial FW) was lasting in about 6h if used on a Vodafone network (optimal reception, high speed network), but was lasting in more than 24h if used on the Three network (average reception, older HSDPA protocol).
Same as above, years ago, my P800 (a 2G only phone) was lasting in 3/4 days with Vodafone, a mere day with Wind

battery issue is solved but im curious what is that module SL4
because thats the only thing they changed (reset) while my x2 was on service

indycar said:
battery issue is solved but im curious what is that module SL4
because thats the only thing they changed (reset) while my x2 was on service
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How did you solve the battery issue? And what's the battery times now?

i sent it to service and they
tested the battery ---> batt ok
reset module SL4 (still dunno what that is)