Hi all,
My Universal (XDA Exec) power connector is on its way out.. started off with intermittently not being able to charge/sync, tried waggling the cable around worked for a while, but now it's to no avail..
Typically it's happened exactly 1 month after the 1 year warranty has run out.
So, can anyone recommend a repair shop in the UK to fix said problem ?
many thanks!
Don't be fobbed off that you only have a 1 year warranty. By UK and EU law, you have at least 2 years and under English law you have a warranty for as long as one should expect such an item to last. Indeed, the law is balanced in the consumer's favour for the first SIX years where the onus is to prove it *wasn't* a fault in the unit. After that, you have to prove it was.
Take a look at open.gov.uk and read up on the Sales of Goods Act.
From a letter I recently wrote to a vendor refusing to honour my statutory rights:
The advertisement clearly states that the item is "New" and that you are a commercial vendor and therefore I have statutory rights to a warranty not less than 2 years, set out not only in Article 2 of the Product Warranty Directive in European law but also in the Sale Of Goods Act 1979, Sale and Supply of Goods and Services Act 1982, Sale and Supply of Goods Act 1994 and the Sale and Supply of Goods to Consumer Regulations 2002.
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Not only that, if you bought it mail order, you shouldn't even be out of pocket for the return of the faulty goods. From the Sale of Goods Act:
"the business is not entitled to charge for recovery of the goods if the consumer has a statutory right to cancel the contract under other legislation, (for example because they are defective)"
That said, don't go in all guns blazing. Ask politely and most retailers will take the goods back for repair/replacement. My rule of thumb is ask nicely once, firmly but politely once and read them my rights the third time.
Also, don't be fooled into believing the warranty is with the manufacturer. Your contract is with the company who sold the (new) unit to you and it is their responsibility to honour it. So when they say "you'll have to send it to the manufacturer" you can reply "I'll make it available for collection by you or your agents and how you proceed with a replacement or repair is not of my concern, as long as I'm not without a comparable unit for an unreasonable time."
HTH
Thanks for your reply..
I just got off the phone to o2 and they said..
"It's out of Warranty.. the Warranty lasts as long as your Contract, i.e. 12/18 month contract = 12/18 month Warranty. After that, you can just get a free upgrade to a new phone (or the same phone).."
Mentioning your above facts of being at least 2 years Warranty by law didn't sway him in the slightest, he just re-iterated that I could get an upgrade..
However, It's slightly more complicated in that i've just left o2 and changed to t-mobile for a better data tariff.. so it doesn't appear as though i have a lot of leverage.
Don't let that deter you. When on the telephone, always ask for the name (first and last. If they say "we can't give out last names" ask if they are the only Debbie/Malcom/whatever there and how to be sure of speaking to them next time you call), office and extension number of the person to whom you are speaking, always note it down. If they'll give it, get their email address and follow up the conversation with an email saying "Following on from my call to you at 15:30 this afternoon (8th Nov 2006), this is my understanding of conversation. You stated that the warranty supplied by O2 on telephones is limited only to the period of the contract even if this is against my statutory rights, as laid out in the Sale of Goods act and other relevant laws."
If you don't get satisfaction from the person on the telephone, insist on speaking to their supervisor. If they are no better, go the next step up. Always be firm, polite and stick to your guns. If you get nowhere, ask for the postal address of the highest person you spoke to and the name and address of their manager. Right a letter, sent recorded delivery, to the them both, sent signed-for delivery, similar to the one I posted earlier. Give them a reasonable period to resolve the issue (10 working days / 14 calendar days from the date of receipt of the letter for refund, 20 working days / 28 calendar days for repair is ample). If that doesn't work, your second letter (if possible, going to the next person up the chain too) should state that you'll proceed to take them to court (small claims track) as you are within your statutory rights. State if if go to court, you will also seek expenses including but not limited to time off work to attend court and for meetings with solicitors, any solicitor and court fees that may be incurred, travel to and from solicitors and court, but you are will accept your replacement, repair or refund if the matter is resolved in the next 14 days. Next step is trading standards and CAB. After that, it's court (you'll win).
Don't let people push you around. These are you LEGAL rights. Big companies try it on all the time. So far, I've not had to get past the written letter stage, but I've been up against Virgin Internet, T Mobile, NTL, the AA and other big companies. When they know you won't give up and they know that you're fully aware of your rights, they will resolve the matter.
And on the subject of O2, they have been utterly hopeless.
considering I'm supposed to have 24 business support, it's taken them almost a week to replace my handset (which I've had less than 2 weeks) and then they've sent me out one that's clearly been used (albeit not much: it had 9 seconds of outgoing calls on it. Probably one a salesman has played with/demonstrated).
Success
What can I say, except thank you xiasma!
After a nicely crafted email quoting the statutory rights info you mentioned below to O2 careline, they informed me that O2 actually offer a full 2 year warranty for XDA's. Even though I've since moved to T-Mobile, it matters not, I just had to take the unit to an O2 store along with proof of purchase.
No hassle at all from O2 shop, they just took my details and phone and told me to wait 7-10 days.
2 weeks later (hence no update till now) I am now the proud owner of a new (ok, refurbed) XDA Exec and a further year warranty.
As a bonus for my trouble, they actually gave me a fully boxed unit, so I now have a spare charger, styluses (stylee ?), case, battery, cables, etc..
Power to the people. or something.
By reading this topic im furious, ive had the exact same problem, went to o2 with the battery connector completely loose, they said that it was at my own fault that this occured and its not covered under warranty, now ive tried fixing it myself and probably f****ed it up more and still doesnt work. I dont know what to do now
Sorry to hear my good news has pee'd you off!
The only thing I can think is that the connector on mine wasn't actually loose or anything, just that it wouldn't take power from the connector. Because yours sounds like physical damage, they (O2) could argue that it may have been dropped or abused in some way.
Don't know what you can do really except try emailing O2 Care and see what they can do for you..
mate your email inspired me to write an email of complaint last night, low and behold they gave me a call this morning and said they are sending me a replacement asap. woah!
i have similar prob in UK with t-mob. USB connector fell inside the pda. I was in shop claiming its under warranty(4 months after purchase). After 30days i got it back unrepaired with statement thats beyond repair (price more than L200). I wrote them letter on 11.11.2006 (delivered to shop same day) with complain that in netherlands t-mob offered customer repair, imate offered waranty repair somewhere (dont know country) - no answer. on 18.11.2006 i sent them warning that if they wont repair, replace ... i'll raise action (i gave them 7days to answer) - they didnt (resp. i got answr via email on 25.11-8days after they recieved my letter). I already sent phone for repair to apexlaptops. I already filled the small claims action, and im waiting for quotation from apex to hand it over to sheriffs court.
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Hey all the story is this:
I had been using the JASJAR for a couple of months now and suddenly the phone (and I mean only the phone) has stopped working....What happens is that with my Vodafone SIM card I get signal but I cannot make or receive calls....When they call me they get voicemail, when I try to call the phone tries to make a call but after 30 seconds I get ' Call ended'.
I have even upgarded the device to the ROM given by imate and still the same thing happens....The green light flashes but it looks to people calling me that the phone is off.
I contacted Expansys where the phone was bought from and they advised to contact SBE which is imate's service center. I did and they kindly offered to have the phone picked up by courrier and have a look at it. They did and after a week or so they came back with a quote for 100+ pounds for replacing the phones main board! They said that warranty will not cover it because ' it is out of warranty according to the manufacturing date'.
I of course freaked out and spoke to imate on-line support and they advised me that the excuse will not stand and that all phones are covered by their date of purchase and that I should write an email to imate support explaining the situation. I did and the reply outraged me even more....
They said that the spoke to the service center and that they advised them that "it has been verified that the coaxial cable on the device is faulty and this is considered as a physical damage." The phone had NO damage when it left me and it has never suffered any....
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Has this happened to anyone before? What should I do next? They provide lame excuses and they do not honour their warranty....Are they just trying to make more money out of me? Any advise will be appreciated and if anyone has taken a case like this to a cunsumers right association I will be glad to hear from them....I am not willing to give this up...
Thank you in advance,
Argy
PS I have all email and on-line chat on file for anyone that does not believe it....
i had a simaler problem with my a1000 which i got from 3uk
i ended up paying off my contract about the 6month mark and a few month later the phone stopped charging,
i assumed motorola would fix it being the manufacture but they said its outsourced to 3 and they handle all the repairs.
i rang 3uk and they asked me for my account number i advised them that i was no longer a coustomer as i payed off my contract but the phone was still under the 12 manufactures warantie.
they said they wouldnt even look at it as i was no longer a 3uk coustomer and that i would have to speak to motorola, motorola said exactly the oposate and that as it was a 3uk phone it was up to them to fix it.
after numerous calls and letters both from myself and consumer rights nothing was done and eventualy the 12 month past ......
i have it as a paper weight now lol
not relervant to your story but it might help somone else
good look ... dont let them screw you over
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I contacted Expansys where the phone was bought from and they advised to contact SBE which is imate's service center.
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If you bought the phone from Expansys then (in theory) your contract is with them, not with SBE or I-Mate or anybody else.
Expansys should honour their contract with you and provide warranty cover, not refer you to someone else.
I'm no expert in consumer contract law (so I could be wrong) but I believe this to be the case. If it was a mail-order purchase then your rights should be even stronger, I think.
Your best bet might be to contact a Citizens Advice Bureau and find out what their opinion is. I'd have thought they'd examine the small print of your contract with Expansys and then tell you whether you have a valid warranty claim against them or not.
Good luck.
if you paid originally for it on your credit card, they might be able to help aswell.
If you bought the phone from Expansys then (in theory) your contract is with them, not with SBE or I-Mate or anybody else.
Expansys should honour their contract with you and provide warranty cover, not refer you to someone else.
I'm no expert in consumer contract law (so I could be wrong) but I believe this to be the case. If it was a mail-order purchase then your rights should be even stronger, I think.
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I bought the phone as a SIM free phone and not with a contract so I guess this makes things even worse.....but it was a mail order.... To be honest I think we are all totally screwed when it comes to dealing with this kind of problems....they will always say that the fault is ours and we can do nothing to prove it....
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I bought the phone as a SIM free phone and not with a contract so I guess this makes things even worse.....but it was a mail order.... To be honest I think we are all totally screwed when it comes to dealing with this kind of problems....they will always say that the fault is ours and we can do nothing to prove it....
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I meant your contract of sale, not the monthly contract for the talkplan.
When you buy something from someone, you make a contract with them. In your case your contract was with Expansys and they have a legal obligation to support reasonable claims of items being unfit for purpose or not in working order.
I contacted Expansys, lets see what they have to say now....
Anyone know of any consuner rights group that might be able to help?
Thanx
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Anyone know of any consuner rights group that might be able to help?
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The UK Government has a website that might help:
http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk/
You can call them for a chat too. Might be worth a try.
Or put "uk consumer rights" into Goooooogle and see what comes up.
One interesting paragraph on this page says:
No excuses
The law says it's up to the seller to deal with complaints about defective goods or other failures to comply with your statutory rights. Don't accept the excuse that "It's the manufacturer's fault," although you might also have additional rights against the manufacturer under a guarantee.
Think twice before you buy from a trader who displays a 'no refunds' notice. It is against the law, unless it also tells you that this does not affect your statutory rights .
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I think Expansys have some wriggle room on the guarantee if in the small print of their terms and conditions (that you read and agreed to when you bought the Universal, right? ) it says that they're acting as agents to the manufacturer only. I think that kinda gets them out of warranty obligations and means your contract of sale would be with whoever they mention in their T&Cs. I've never bought from them though, so I've no idea how they operate.
I think Expansys have some wriggle room on the guarantee if in the small print of their terms and conditions (that you read and agreed to when you bought the Universal, right? ) it says that they're acting as agents to the manufacturer only. I think that kinda gets them out of warranty obligations and means your contract of sale would be with whoever they mention in their T&Cs. I've never bought from them though, so I've no idea how they operate.
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You are right, I did a bit of searching in some goverment sites and it states that when they act like agents you cannot blame them for anything....you have to take it up with the manufacturer.
Some useful stuff I found out are:
http://www.dti.gov.uk/ccp/topics1/facts/distancesell.htm
http://www.euroconsumer.org.uk/
http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk/links/index.shtml
I think everyone should take a quick read and finally know their rights....
Final Update!!
Since neither i-mate nor SBE would reply to any mails I finally paid for the repair of the phone. The guy I spoke to on the phone admited that they have a lot of Jasjars in for repairs and at most of them the warranty is not honoured....
This is a warning for all people wanting to buy one! DONT! The warranty will not be honoured in case it breaks down and i-mate is only good for advertising.....
DO NOT BUT THE JASJAR!
Would it be the same case trying to get warrenty for the O2 version?
I have had a similar problem and have had enough of O2 and need some advice. 2 months ago I plugged the charger into my XDA Exec and the charger port got pushed back into the phone. So I was a bit annoyed that this would happen but I took it to the O2 shop who said it's not a problem and as the phone hasn't even been out a year it will be under warranty and should be no more than 3 weeks being repaired.
After four weeks I got a phone call saying that it wasn't under warranty and that the cost for repair would be £350 because they had to replace some sort of chip. I know this isn't true as the phone worked perfectly it just couldn't be charged. So I said I would not pay this and I wanted it returned. After a week still no sign of the phone I called O2 to tell them the whole story and they said that it could be repaired under the warranty and it wasn't a problem, I just had to send it straight to the repair centre without going through the shop.
I sat and waited until today 2 months after the phone originally broke and it got delivered back to the O2 shop.
I think it's disgusting that this has happened and wondered what my next plan of action should be??
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I think Expansys have some wriggle room on the guarantee if in the small print of their terms and conditions (that you read and agreed to when you bought the Universal, right? ) it says that they're acting as agents to the manufacturer only. I think that kinda gets them out of warranty obligations and means your contract of sale would be with whoever they mention in their T&Cs. I've never bought from them though, so I've no idea how they operate.
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You are right, I did a bit of searching in some goverment sites and it states that when they act like agents you cannot blame them for anything....you have to take it up with the manufacturer.
Some useful stuff I found out are:
http://www.dti.gov.uk/ccp/topics1/facts/distancesell.htm
http://www.euroconsumer.org.uk/
http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk/links/index.shtml
I think everyone should take a quick read and finally know their rights....
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This doesn't work like that in all country's ! In Holland they suppliers is responsable, the is : The name in Header on the bill. They could say the're only agents, but when they give you a bill with their name on it, you bought it for tehm, thus; they are responable...
NO FINEPRINT CAN EVER OVERRULE ANY LAWS....
Hey all,
I got my phone back today and guess what???? It does not charge or gets recognised by the computer....It was returned with a QTEK ROM although it is a Imate phone....
I am now sure this imate/SBE thing is all a nice scam that rips people off....
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Hey all,
I got my phone back today and guess what???? It does not charge or gets recognised by the computer....It was returned with a QTEK ROM although it is a Imate phone....
I am now sure this imate/SBE thing is all a nice scam that rips people off....
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If you paid for the repair then sue them for not repairing - find their local trading standards office in the UK to complain to, complain to your VISA company etc etc.
Do you have anyone in the UK who can do this for you?
Richard
rICHARD,
I told them that I did not get what I paid for and I am expecting a repair. They came back saying that they do provide warranty for all repairs they make so they will accept it back and repair it without any more cost for me....
The only thing to do is wait and see....I will post back any news....
Why not report them for piracy to HTC / Microsoft? I am led to believe loading a rom from one manufacturer onto another's device amounts to software piracy as your software was bought from i-mate and you now have Qtek's O.S.....
Expansys
I bought mine through expansys you have to show proof of purchase, you can get this by emailing expansys or digging up your old email confirmation. The rest of your problem seem to be bs.
1.) email I-mate [email protected]
2.) If I-mate gave you an rma number you don't pay for anything
3.) once you get you phone in prepare to wait
argyris,
Have you tried to insert another SIM card in the phone?
I have this weird problem with the JJ. I have 2 SIM's with 2 different Operators. The JJ works just fine with one SIM .....
BUT, when I insert the other SIM, I can make calls normally, but I can receive only ONE call (i mean it, ONE), after that the damn thing won't receive calls anymore!
After trying to make calls for several times it does work, but again, one incoming call and that's it.
I tried that SIM in the 8800, it works just great.
Anybody has an idea on what's going on?
Thank you guys..
My miniUSB socket has been a little dodgy for the past week then today i pulled the charger out and the socket came out with it. This wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't for the fact i've updated the firmware to the new QTEC. Is there any way of changing the firmware over bluetooth or infrared?
I'm a bit stuck because the only way to get it fixed is either to go to t-mobile with the correct firmware on or to open it up and try and solder the miniUSB back.
I'm guessing that updating the firmware to a non-tmobile will void it? Even though this problem could never be caused by the change of firmware.
Any ideas would be really helpful (i'm pretty desperate!).
Cheers,
Nick
I would just send it in and hope they don't check/care that you have changed your ROM. BTW, I just had the same problem with the mini USB plug except mine got pushed INTO the phone. Luckily, I had the new Tmobile ROM installed (but I had done all SORTS of warranty-voiding stuff with it in the past) sorry dude.
T-mobile trying it on.
Well got the same problem my 11 month old MDA Vario's (STD T-mobile rom) socket fell into the phone when I plugged it in to recharge in mid December....
Took it into my T-mobile shop and they sent it for repair...
Now back from Christmas holiday just been in to get it and been told that its "out for quotation", phoned t-mobile direct and have been informed that their repair centre is viewing it as damage rather than warrantiable and a quotation is on its way to me....
Totally unacceptable of course, its a design or build problem, was very angry when I came off the phone to T-mobile...
And now I read that T-mobile on both sides of the atlantic are accepting this fault as warrantiable.
Would be interested in the details of anyone who has had this problem and had it repaired by t-mobile (particularly in the UK)...
Will be talking to the Consumer Direct (part of UK Gov's Office of Fair Trading) on Monday and hopefully getting them to investigate....
Any help advise or experiences more than welcomed Thanks...
Oh and sorry for semi shanghaing the thread!!
I have had this issue twice . both were warrantable exchanges . no hassle from tmobile . 1 of the csr reps even told it happened to her twice so she already knew what the situation was and set up the warranty exchange no questions asked. fyi I'm in america nyc to be exact. hopefully I never experience it again. but hey I'm still under warranty and with 3 day shipping I wasn't down more then 1 and a half business days (broke and ordered replacement on a monday night, replacement arrive by ups on wed early afternoon. well worth the $15 shipping charge)
p.s. the 1st one I exchanged I flashed a cooked rom on it and cid and sim unlocked it . I just did a hard reset and hoped they never caught it. lol that was almost a year a go never been charged for it. also the worst that will happen (atleast tmo usa) if tmo determines your damage to be out of warranty is they'll charge you a $100 out of warranty fee. likey 2 phone bills later but you get ya replacement 3-5 days later. well worth taking the "gamble" of warranty exchange
just happened to me...it pretty much fell out. tmo just exchanged it. it had been a warranty exchange phone that the usb fell out on. the one they sent me had a bad speaker, so i got yet another warranty exchange (2 in less than a week)...these are refurbs that they use for warranty exchanges, so test them out pretty well when you first get them. this one from yesterday so far is really nice. the silo is tight, the slider is very tight (both issues with the broken usb one) the sound is great...so i am in the process of making all my rom mods now.
the tmo rep had heard about the usb issue before, so apparently, it is not uncommon!
Thanks for your replies, so it looks like Tmobile US accept its warrantiable and Tmobile UK dont......
Any positive UK responses ????
Thanks again
Simon
T-Mobile not budging
Well have just given T-Mobile UK customer service one last try and got the same response...
"if their engineers say its not warrantiable, its not warrantiable", no need to give a reason why, no reason to take into account the presedence of cases where this very fault has been repaired under warranty.
I have spoken to the UK Governments Consumer Direct team and will be writting a letter to T-mobile giving them notice that I plan to pursue legal action under the Supply of Goods and Services Act 1982....
As the goods supplied were not of satisfactory quality and have not lasted a satisfactory period of time (the length of the 18 month contract would have been a good start)
Anyway any more experiences of this problem and how T-mobile responded???
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Well have just given T-Mobile UK customer service one last try and got the same response...
"if their engineers say its not warrantiable, its not warrantiable", no need to give a reason why, no reason to take into account the presedence of cases where this very fault has been repaired under warranty.
I have spoken to the UK Governments Consumer Direct team and will be writting a letter to T-mobile giving them notice that I plan to pursue legal action under the Supply of Goods and Services Act 1982....
As the goods supplied were not of satisfactory quality and have not lasted a satisfactory period of time (the length of the 18 month contract would have been a good start)
Anyway any more experiences of this problem and how T-mobile responded???
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Good move on this, please keep me updated, I'm a UK T-mobile customer also.
OK so while I wait for T-mobiles response ot my warning of legal action letter, have set up this email addie....
[email protected]
If anyones had the socket breaking problem, could the email me a few details of who they are what their network is and what happened....
pretty sure as an early adopter with the problem, that this may be the tip of the forthcoming iceberg...
obviously no information you give will be used for anything other than my discussion with t-mobile!!!!
thanks
Simon
Success!!!!!!
OK so the long and the short of it, I am now in possession of a nearly new MDA vario replacement unit from T-mobile UK.
Last Friday I had a call from their email customer services department (and then a call today from their letter customer services department more of this later but worth noting that they are different teams apparently working independantly of each other and both far more qualified to help with real problems than the 150 service... infact the email customer services rep todl me to email instead of phone in future....).
After half an hour with the lady repeating the T-mobile party line, which included the fact that having spoken to the engineers and the T-mobile legal team, she could confirm that the UK Supply of goods and services Act 1982 on covered phones for 6 months.... an interesting "fact" completely against the letter of that law and against the understanding of the office of fair trading's understanding..
And having finally moved her onto the more interesting if its damage why does T-mobile US fix it under warranty.....
We concluded with her advising me that the T-mobile engineers wouldnt touch the phone under warranty and that she would talk to my local company store and call me back in 10 minutes.
I assumed thats the last I would hear of her, but give her due respect, 30 minutes later she phoned back and told me she had talked to the shop was more aware of the total situation and.....
Would be sending me out the replacement phone over night by next day recorded delivery!!!!
She also offered me some compensation for my T-rouble (1 months contract fee refunded) which I didnt expect but willingly accepted!!!
Best of all next morning when the phone arrived it was a complete set, so spare battery charger, case, backplate (with rubber still in shock horror!!!) and a couple of styluses!!!!!
So my faith is once more restored int T-mobile, hopefully this was a jink in the generally excellent service I have had from them... (here's hoping!!!)
Anyway today the registered letter must have landed as I had a call from their letter based customer service department (an even more helpful person still!!)... checking to make sure I was happy.. thought it might be a crossed wire but no she knew about the replacement phone!!
This lady listened to my full story again, including mentioning my "new" email address as above and the posts on this site... she advised that she will be looking into the issue further and seemed very interested in the number of responses I had had from my previous post......
Supposedly I will be getting her email address (not got it yet!!) so that I can send her contact details of those UK t-mobile customers with the problem that have contacted me (obviously will be asking your permissions first!!!)...
So not promising anything (cos I cant) but if you are a UK T-mobile customer with this problem let me know on the email address above, guess it cant hurt!!!
Simon
p.s. thanks for all the help and support and stories of success!!!!
Congratulations!
As my phone had taken a bath at one stage and I'd opened it to clean it up, I guessed that I would have no luck with a warranty claim for my broken USB socket. I just got it back this morning from being repaired by a bloke at the market - £35 for a new socket to be soldered on. It charges and ActiveSync worked initially but then disconnected after a few minutes - so I need to decide whether to do without it again for a few days while they have another go, or just use USB to charge, and sync over GPRS.
ok got the email address and apologies to eileen but she sent it before my last post, must have got caught up in gmail somewhere....
will compile any stuff received over the next week or so and send it to her.
cheers simon
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simon i have been reading the post's and im also in the position you was in. i am at this moment in time having issues with t-mobile on fixing my mda (usb port) i have just got off the phone to HTC europe who make the phones and they are not prepared ton fix the phone if t-mobile dont ppick up the tab HMMMM! im at a loose end here banging my head at a brick wall. can anyone help.
many thanx
mikey
OK OK so I guess I spoke to soon......
6 months on and guess what.........
Unplugged the usb cable from my vario last night and "pop" the socket moved forward with the cable.
Not having the patience to go through all the loops.. I pulled up the last contact details I had from my previous problems and called the internal number given...
This gave me an 0845 number for the customer complaints team as apposed to customer service).
Gave that a call and was picked up by a T-mobile staff member called Carmen... who's surname appears to be "....no my name is just Carmen...." and amongst being told that not having a current case I shouldnt be using the number, I went back through the normal high quality T-mobile hoop.
This being the one that starts at Disdain and cynicism and endeds up at dismissal and a shouting Customer Service Rep (Do they really not train their staff at T-Mobile...). Actually the conversation ended with her tell me she couldnt deal with me anymore and that I had to phone 015!!!!
Anyway long and the short of it.....
My contract is up in three week so the implication was that I was just after a free upgrade... Explained that no I wanted a working phone so that I could continue my contract until the Kaiser came out and then negotiate a new contract with them.
Told that I could have an early upgrade but definitely not a repair or replacement, now at this point just to be clear they have offered me a Vario II at £240..... Obviously not an option.
Also gave me the T-mobile party line that they only supply the Network service not the phone as its a freebie.... As explained before this means it is not covered under the Sale of Goods act.... But unfortunately for T-mo it is definitely irrefutably covered under the Supply of Goods and Services Act 1982.
So here we are valued premium customer or so they tell me, to close to the end of their contract to have their phone repaired or replaced, but only able to "upgrade" at £250 or a significant downgrade.
Consumer rights be damned..
Anyway another letter in to them, threatening small claims court... got a feeling that this time I may just have to get my suit out and dusted down.
Will keep you all updated......
p.s. [email protected] is active again..... if any of you want to add to my little list of affected customers!!!!
i have the same problem. but i am using cingular since the mda came out way b4 the 8125. anyhow how can i get tmobile to fix it?? can i?? my brother have tmobile.
I felt others should know about this to help make informed decision about HTC repairs. I sometimes ago noticed that the air vent was breaking off from my Shift device, I called and sent it for repairs but was told that part was not under warranty, told to check online for the repairs bill...it was £240 to change a lousy vent mesh. I called to tell them I am not fixing again and heard nothing until I checked my repair bill online again and guess what? it was now half of that price, I promptly paid and after 2 weeks got my device back. Happy ending? no!
I first notice that there was a small chip on the screen, also, after picking up my Shift from any table, the grip rubbers at the base comes off and get stuck to the table. I promptly called HTC and this was booked in for repairs again, and this was the beginning of the nightmares.
The status has been 'Hold for materials for about a month' the last time I called, I told them that even if the materials were coming from the moon, they should have been in UK by now, they have deprived of using this device for total of about 2 months and I'm paying mobile broadband monthly charges.
Just sharing this out of frustration with HTC and sadly this is not the first time this is happening to me from HTC. Are there similar experience, or advice. They must know that they cannot continue to hold devices for as long as they want, our responses may make them realise what their repair line is like and make necessary amends...
feyisetan said:
I felt others should know about this to help make informed decision about HTC repairs. I sometimes ago noticed that the air vent was breaking off from my Shift device, I called and sent it for repairs but was told that part was not under warranty, told to check online for the repairs bill...it was £240 to change a lousy vent mesh. I called to tell them I am not fixing again and heard nothing until I checked my repair bill online again and guess what? it was now half of that price, I promptly paid and after 2 weeks got my device back. Happy ending? no!
I first notice that there was a small chip on the screen, also, after picking up my Shift from any table, the grip rubbers at the base comes off and get stuck to the table. I promptly called HTC and this was booked in for repairs again, and this was the beginning of the nightmares.
The status has been 'Hold for materials for about a month' the last time I called, I told them that even if the materials were coming from the moon, they should have been in UK by now, they have deprived of using this device for total of about 2 months and I'm paying mobile broadband monthly charges.
Just sharing this out of frustration with HTC and sadly this is not the first time this is happening to me from HTC. Are there similar experience, or advice. They must know that they cannot continue to hold devices for as long as they want, our responses may make them realise what their repair line is like and make necessary amends...
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May be this is offtop, but: In Russia, ther's a law, called "Protection of consumers". This law tells, that SC cannot hold any device longer, than 45 days. If thay cannot repair your device at this time, they sould pay you 1% of device's price for everye day of overholding, or give you the brandnew device. I think any contry have such a law.
may be it worth trying to write complain (email) to the mother company in Hong Kong ..
I know this isn't the trading standards forum but I wondered what other people's experiences of warranties and phones under contract were.
My HD is 11 months old being under Orange contract, the screen has stopped responding (seems fairly common) - and is now stuck on the align screen mode after several resets. Contacted Orange, who are saying their warranty is six months and then I should move to HTC to chase it. (I can't remember or find any evidence of warranty being six months, though I know Orange want to sell you an extended insurance after six months.)
Anyway I contacted HTC who were pretty appalling to be honest and not what I expected; It took an age to enter my details and then they said it was out of warranty based on the S/N manufacture date - I had to remind them that it's the date of purchase not the manufacture date, so they ran with it pointing out there may be a charge as my phone is 'nearly' out of warranty. Excuse me, but there is no nearly if it's less than 12 months is it?
I started to cite the SOGA, and they backed down a bit saying they would have a look but could be a charge. They also asked me to go back to Orange. So the phone has been packed off.
Anyway, I'm still in neutral land at the moment and this could all turn out good. But it made me think that given the fobbing off nature of both companies, I wasn't clear where the responsibilities lie. I know if I did go down the SOGA route the owness would be on me to prove it wasn't damage etc. Don't fancy that, but I will and have done several times go to the small claims court if I have to.
Frustrating thing is, companies shouldn't be like this they rely on us to provide good word of mouth and return custom.
I've got a **** list of bad companies who I won't purchase from, I really hope HTC doesn't end up on this because I love their phones. Maybe they're paying Cavendish a bit too much?
Let me know your experiences, I've read a few but wasn't sure what the bottom line of warranty was - can't find any proper info.
Bully for you on getting them to examine the phone. Hopefully they will repair or replace it.
I read an article on the "disposability" of today's smartphones last week. The article broke down the costs of various plans and showed what the actual cost was of each. In essence, it showed that almost regardless of what plan you went with, smartphones are "bad buys" because they become almost as dated as a new car driving off the lot.
6.1, 6.5, 7.? all drive home the point that HTC's smartphones are coming off the conveyor belt like pancakes off the frying pan. HTC builds a number of different phones for the various telecoms. ROM upgrades may be available for a while but eventually the older model phones will be left behind.
My experience with warranties has changed because of what I found while on eBay a couple of months ago. I purchased a reburbished HDTV that had 30 days warranty. However, the seller had Square Trade Warranty linked to his auction. Because STW had a sale of their warranties going during the time I purchased my HDTV, I was able to get a two year warranty for the price of one year. I did a lot of web research on STW and they came up almost universally positive.
You have to purchase the warranty within the first 30 days of actual electronic purchase. Once under their warranty, their warranty kicks in after the manufacturer's warranty expires. You have the option of sending in your item or having it looked at locally. If found to be defective, they will pay up to the purchase price the cost of repairs for the length of the warranty.
Their warranty service appears to be less restrictive than most manufacturers' and electronic stores'. I like the option of being able to take my item in locally to have it looked (hopefully nothing ever goes wrong). You can google them to find their website. I know that if I ever paid $200 or more for a cellphone, I'd have a longer warranty than what the manufacturers offer.
In the past I have several total replacement warranties on laptops which saved my bacon. I've had two go bad and both were replaced when the electronics store found them to be defective. In one case, I had to ride the store as they tried to say that while the laptop "appeared to be defective" they could not duplicate. Because they had left the word "defective" on my answering machine, I was able to ram that home with their headquarters.
Good luck!
HI Guys
1st
I used to had HTC Blackstone.After 1st warranty service I've received Blackstone with new touch panel and screen!!!But with death pixels more than 3!!!So it went back to Miltone Keynes service centre.After 2weeks+ I was happy owner of serviced Black100.
2nd
My HD2 is going to Miltone Keynes again after 1st warranty service.
Just day after I've received my phone
Again death pixel on screen,screen is not align in housing.
HOUSING is kind of secondhand!!! it is obviously not my!!! It has scratches on different places.
Maybe missing kapton around speaker.<--light is coming up from grid.Cool
Looks like serviced somewhere far far east you know that Communist country?!!!
For now I hate Miltone Keynes service centre.
They are trying us a stupid costumers?!!?
Lied on service explanation in both cases!!
Waisting my time!!!, their money and our green planet
Only who is profiting is UPS delivery company.
S..t happens after 1y7m on HTC I was without Phone for 1m2weeks+
PS:sorry for my funny Engl......
Yes they are shockingly bad.
My blackstone had newton rings so as I'm near them I dropped it in.
They wanted to charge me nearly £200 to repair something which in other countries they cover under warranty.
Thing is, they hadn't sent me a link to the tracking page so I only found out when I called up after 2 weeks for an update. Had I left it much longer they would have disposed of my phone without telling me.
I arranged with the call centre to be able to go in and pick my phone up but they hadn't told the repair centre so they were baffled with my arrival.
I then took the phone back to the store I bought it from for them to try and get a warranty repair, they got the phone back with a report of "no dead pixels found" when the fault report sent with the phone didn't mention dead pixels. The store offered to try again but having been without my phone for a month I wasn't keen, so they put it through as an insurance claim and I got a new phone the next morning.
UF
Uf
I feel sorry for all UK HTC underwarranty c....
Looks like it's a group of poor paid people.
Or they just traying cheat on us.
By the way It's not real HTC they are just ''official service''
Hope HTC will change it soon!!!
SO say no to Miltone Keynes service centre or be realy careful.....
One good thing about it being in the UK is UK consumer laws are pretty decent.
Merely mentioning trading standards when I was in reception got them to change their tune and go get me my phone.
Had I a spare phone I could have reported them to trading standards for not fixing newton rings under warranty when I could provide evidence that in other countries they were allowing them as warranty faults.
I hope UK law will be behind us if what New Scientist said recently is true. Apparently, touch screens have a limited life because of the manufacturing process and rare earth metals used. They said most last just 18 months but that luckily, most users upgrade before then. My screen is already losing accuracy making text input difficult. After spending £500 I expect my phone to be working for alot more than 18 months.
that sux for y'all. Can y'all not have insurance that covers this for you. In the USA I pay for the insurance through t-mobile. When my hd2 kept overheating, I bricked it on purpose (just to make sure they didn't try and say there was nothing wrong), called t-mobile, told them it wouldn't turn on. They overnighted me a phone. Didn't cost me anything except the monthly insurance fee.
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I hope UK law will be behind us if what New Scientist said recently is true. Apparently, touch screens have a limited life because of the manufacturing process and rare earth metals used. They said most last just 18 months but that luckily, most users upgrade before then. My screen is already losing accuracy making text input difficult. After spending £500 I expect my phone to be working for alot more than 18 months.
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can understand how a screen might wear out if you dont use a screen protector, with one however it should last for a very long time... unless i dont understand the tech
just about warranty
this is not a tread about screen lifetime.
I just disagree withy way how guys in UK --> Miltones Keynes working.
Isurence if fine but it can't fix errors done by service centre.
Im not sure if my insurence is covering 1 second repair.
I don't know what the problem is. I had the crazy screen sensitivity issue, agged lines, random key presses.
Had the phone 9 months, called them, tried the latest ROM, same problem, sent it back, 2 weeks later it reappeared working perfectly, no problems, no scratches.
I coudn't be happier with their service.
DrATty said:
I hope UK law will be behind us if what New Scientist said recently is true. Apparently, touch screens have a limited life because of the manufacturing process and rare earth metals used. They said most last just 18 months but that luckily, most users upgrade before then. My screen is already losing accuracy making text input difficult. After spending £500 I expect my phone to be working for alot more than 18 months.
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The great thing about the consumer rights acts is you are entitled to a reasonable length of use out of a product, so even if it comes with just a 1 month warranty and it fails after 3 months, if you can argue that it was resonably expected to last that long then the law is on your side and you're entitled to repair/replacement.
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that sux for y'all. Can y'all not have insurance that covers this for you. In the USA I pay for the insurance through t-mobile. When my hd2 kept overheating, I bricked it on purpose (just to make sure they didn't try and say there was nothing wrong), called t-mobile, told them it wouldn't turn on. They overnighted me a phone. Didn't cost me anything except the monthly insurance fee.
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Insurance is for damage/loss, not breakdowns. Breakdowns should be covered by warranty/consumer protection laws, after all, if you're sold a shoddy item, why should it cost you to bring it up to the quality item you paid for in the first place?
Of course if something isn't covered by the warranty there's nothing stopping someone damaging their phone and claiming on insurance for a replacement.
Generally we have lower premiums and an excess to pay in the event of a claim, although you could find a policy with no excess but higher premiums.
Well
my HD2 is again on the way to service centre.
Let's wait for it!
I was just havig look all around my HD2 Looks like they found some used one in better contidion.Replace the sticker with IMEI an SN.-->Maybe they've put even my HW in to it.because IMEI and SN is still same----->second hand housing, screen with death pixels, sreen was't align in housing and few small s..ts.
I'll report next week hopefuly...
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had nothing but problems with them,weeks without my phone, then they tried to charge me!!!!!useless twats!
OrionCarl said:
had nothing but problems with them,weeks without my phone, then they tried to charge me!!!!!useless twats!
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under the warranty?
What was explanation of service?
Never more HTC Service centre
HI everbody
So After 2nd comes 3th.
Yes my HD2 is going 1again and 2again and 3again to HTC qualified<----))) service centre Milton Keynes.in 1 month
'''''''''divece is with lines,ghost,death pixels,not responding,problem with signal,bat only for 1 day>1 pcall 15mins drain bat aprox 25%.....used to be ok before even after 2nd service.'''''''
ALL because I've had problem with Screen before first service.SH.T!!!!!
I Have no ideat want they do and for who they are working!!!!
Looks like to charge HTC TW-> more work = more money
Pleas IF you Have same Problem-s contact BBC watch dog.
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HI everbody
So After 2nd comes 3th.
Yes my HD2 is going 1again and 2again and 3again to HTC qualified<----))) service centre Milton Keynes.in 1 month
'''''''''divece is with lines,ghost,death pixels,not responding,problem with signal,bat only for 1 day>1 pcall 15mins drain bat aprox 25%.....used to be ok before even after 2nd service.'''''''
ALL because I've had problem with Screen before first service.SH.T!!!!!
I Have no ideat want they do and for who they are working!!!!
Looks like to charge HTC TW-> more work = more money
Pleas IF you Have same Problem-s contact BBC watch dog.
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Personally, I would e-mail HTC both UK headquarters and their Taiwan headquarters and explain how their repair service is unacceptable and is affecting their brand image as a producer of quality phones.
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Personally, I would e-mail HTC both UK headquarters and their Taiwan headquarters and explain how their repair service is unacceptable and is affecting their brand image as a producer of quality phones.
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Good Idea but have you got Email adr... to HTC Headquarters??
Hi..
Just let you know my experiences of HTC & my HD2
Had a problem with the USB charging socket, it was loose/broken - the phone would no longer charge. Contacted T-Mobile UK and they asked me to send it via one of their shops for repair, which I duly did. It went to SBE in Milton Keynes (T-Mobs official repairer) who found water ingress (??) and therefore claimed the damage was OOW. So I contact SBE who agreed their report was wrong and that the damage was in fact caused by crushing or dropping (??) & was still OOW, they then returned the phone to the shop still broken.
So I emailed T-Mobs customer service and they suggested that if I was not happy (as if I would be) I should get a second opinion from HTC UK themselves and provided a phone number. I contacted them and they arranged for the phone to be collected. In the meantime I searched the web and found a few people having issues similar to mine with the USB port so I collected as much evidence as I could and printed and packed it in with the phone before they collected it, along with a letter explaining that I, and many others, did not accept that the phone was 'Fit for purpose'...
2 weeks after they picked it up, a replacement arrives on my doorstep!!!, same serial number, different IMEI and definitely a different phone. During the time that they had it they never contacted me to say what they were doing and the online repair tracker just indicated that they had received my phone.
Since I've had the phone, which is faultless, I have had 2 calls and 1 email from HTC asking me to complete a customer satisfaction form!!!
So - I think HTC UK, are, with a bit of persuasion perhaps, ... Brilliant!.. However, T-Mob won't be getting my business again...
Milton Keynes (T-Mobs official repairer) = HTC service centrum
HTC_HD2_NEW said:
Hi..
Just let you know my experiences of HTC & my HD2
Had a problem with the USB charging socket, it was loose/broken - the phone would no longer charge. Contacted T-Mobile UK and they asked me to send it via one of their shops for repair, which I duly did. It went to SBE in Milton Keynes (T-Mobs official repairer) who found water ingress (??) and therefore claimed the damage was OOW. So I contact SBE who agreed their report was wrong and that the damage was in fact caused by crushing or dropping (??) & was still OOW, they then returned the phone to the shop still broken.
So I emailed T-Mobs customer service and they suggested that if I was not happy (as if I would be) I should get a second opinion from HTC UK themselves and provided a phone number. I contacted them and they arranged for the phone to be collected. In the meantime I searched the web and found a few people having issues similar to mine with the USB port so I collected as much evidence as I could and printed and packed it in with the phone before they collected it, along with a letter explaining that I, and many others, did not accept that the phone was 'Fit for purpose'...
2 weeks after they picked it up, a replacement arrives on my doorstep!!!, same serial number, different IMEI and definitely a different phone. During the time that they had it they never contacted me to say what they were doing and the online repair tracker just indicated that they had received my phone.
Since I've had the phone, which is faultless, I have had 2 calls and 1 email from HTC asking me to complete a customer satisfaction form!!!
So - I think HTC UK, are, with a bit of persuasion perhaps, ... Brilliant!.. However, T-Mob won't be getting my business again...
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Problem is still in guys>>>>> Milton Keynes (T-Mobs official repairer)---->IT's HTC official service centree as well!!!!
Im sure all HTC from any NetProvider must be fix in Milton Keynes anyway.
Hmm..
I did ask the question when I spoke to HTC and the guy on the phone assured me that they were not SBE, even though both addresses were in Milton Keynes..
To be fair, the addresses I had were different as was the paperwork!