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New HTC T-Mobile Wing & User

Hello everyone,
yes i am a new user and subscriber. i purchased the wing about a month ago and so far i like it, but there are some things that i need to address. first, there is a memory problem that from what i have read, is common. i have a 2Gig microSD and most of my videos are on there. i am using TCMP to play movies. i was wondering what to use to get the best speed and usability out of my wing. what is safe to delete to make this thing race. again, i am just getting into the terminology (kitchens, cookbooks etc.), so please bear with me. a quicky, how do i get to the registry? and does the iphone theme really work good for this phone?
thanks everyone for any help
DK

A super fast rom is (ASerg's 10e wwe) just my 2cents

digitalknoll said:
Hello everyone,
yes i am a new user and subscriber. i purchased the wing about a month ago and so far i like it, but there are some things that i need to address. first, there is a memory problem that from what i have read, is common. i have a 2Gig microSD and most of my videos are on there. i am using TCMP to play movies. i was wondering what to use to get the best speed and usability out of my wing. what is safe to delete to make this thing race. again, i am just getting into the terminology (kitchens, cookbooks etc.), so please bear with me. a quicky, how do i get to the registry? and does the iphone theme really work good for this phone?
thanks everyone for any help
DK
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I suggest a custom rom. The T-mobile stock rom is not very good. I'm currently using Open Touch 4.0 by TTRAN and im loving it!

I'm a new Wing user also. I've had mine for a few days and i'm absolutely clueless when it comes to the rom's and making your phone look completely different. I read a little, but to someone who doesn't know all that lingo.. it's like a foreign language somewhat.. lol. Not that bad, but you know what I mean. I'm sure i'll figure it out eventually, but as of now? I'm clueless. I was told I need to HARD SPL my phone or something and I have no idea what that means or how to do it, lol. I downloaded a few things and got them to work though. But like I said, that's it.

Follow instructions. I understand people don't want to potentially "break" their phone ... but this stuff is TOO easy. Don't be scared of it.

duprade said:
Follow instructions. I understand people don't want to potentially "break" their phone ... but this stuff is TOO easy. Don't be scared of it.
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Yeah. Well I was gonna ask you for some help (you seem to like helping people and you seem to know what you're talking about), but I can imagine how many people do that. I know how it is to be asked how to do stuff when it's very easy to begin with. I've been an admin on online games and stuff, so that part I understand. There just seems to be so many things you can do to this phone and to most people, they probably have no idea where to begin.
I was able to download a few cab's and get them to work, which was cool. I have my Wing overclocked right now at 247 I believe. Then I have a few other nice things. I use the Palringo for AIM and that's nice. I can't wait to change the overall look though. I'm not just confused on how to do it in general, but i'm also wondering whether or not you're supposed to use certain .cab's with certain rom's and all that. Ya know?

itslinx said:
Yeah. Well I was gonna ask you for some help, but I can imagine how many people do that. I know how it is to be asked how to do stuff when it's very easy to begin with. I've been an admin on online games and stuff, so that part I understand. There just seems to be so many things you can do to this phone and to most people, they probably have no idea where to begin.
I was able to download a few cab's and get them to work, which was cool. I have my Wing overclocked right now at 247 I believe. Then I have a few other nice things. I use the Palringo for AIM and that's nice. I can't wait to change the overall look though. I'm not just confused on how to do it in general, but i'm also wondering whether or not you're supposed to use certain .cab's with certain rom's and all that. Ya know?
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Find out which rom your interested in using and you will usually find a faq and instructions on how to flash the rom on the first post. I use Open Touch and followed the instructions to the T on my first flash and had no problems. Like Duprade said it really isnt that hard. Dont let the big bold red messages scare you. The cooks are just covering their behinds just in case you miss an instruction and brick your phone.

islinx, whats overclock? you are in the same boat as i am (glad to have you). i have also installed some roms, but i am ready for the big facelift now. i will do some searching and try to find a cool & simple look. i ran across a "show your today screen" post, but i lost it. they had some really really nice ones. i'll check back later. thanks for all the posts.
DK

Check the thread with all the .cab files and you'll find the download to overclock your phone.

digitalknoll said:
islinx, whats overclock? you are in the same boat as i am (glad to have you). i have also installed some roms, but i am ready for the big facelift now. i will do some searching and try to find a cool & simple look. i ran across a "show your today screen" post, but i lost it. they had some really really nice ones. i'll check back later. thanks for all the posts.
DK
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Look up battery status to find what your looking for.

I will be home from my trip to MIAMI tomorrow ... so who ever needs help or questions answered, just catch me online and IM me and i'll give you a hand.

Doesn't matter anymore, lol. I deleted everything off the phone, put the plastic back on and i'm sending it back today. As much as I LOVED the phone, i'm not gonna keep it and feel like I got ripped off. I used a promotional code when I got the phone. That was the reason I was getting the phone at this point in time to begin with. If I wanted to pay the normal $300 for the phone + activation, I would of went to the store and got it THAT day. But I called over the phone with a promotional code to get the Wing for $100 after $50 rebate, free activation and a free bluetooth headset or car charger. The customer service rep. told me the promotional code was taken and I was all set. I'd get my phone within 4 days. I did get it 4 days later and yesterday I called them back just to make sure the promotional code took effect and I was getting some money back.
Long story short, I must of got transferred like 7 times on the phone and I was on it for about an hour. Nobody knew what to say and I had to explain my situation each time. The customer service lady basically lied to me because the promotional code all of a sudden isn't a working one. I've seen other people online use the same code and it worked for them. Recently too. Big surprise there. If I wasn't saving money for a new car in April, I would have kept the phone. But a couple hundred dollars makes a huge difference.
Thanks for your help anyway though.

My Experience with Replacing the Nexus

Hi all,
This is not so much of a ranting thread (although I am really frustrated), but just a gentle reminder to please check your screen for dust, as well as any other known issues BEFORE rooting. Thankfully, I did that, and my phone had dust under the screen UPON arrival. I got it at 2pm, and returned it to HTC by 5pm.
The other problem is, do remember Google takes no responsibility with hardware related issues. As much as I hate it, find HTC. I had a horrible experience with them, and I just want to share it with the rest of you. Also, I'm from Singapore, just in case.
I got my phone at 2PM from DHL, and was really happy about it (who wouldn't)? I opened it, booted it, and it was really fast. Then I checked the screen. There was not one speck, but at least 5 specks of dust under the screen. I immediately called HTC Singapore's hotline, and it was outsourced to another country (I'm guessing China, cause when they called me back it was +86). I can speak Mandarin, but only barely, and it was really difficult trying to tell them my problem in English. They really tried to help, but the communication barrier proved to be very frustrating. In the end, I was told to go down to HTC Care (at Keppel Bay Tower) to return the phone.
At this point in time, I didn't really want to make a huge fuss or anything. **** happens, I can accept that. All I want now is my phone replaced, as quickly as possible. I reached HTC Care around 4.15PM, but was only served at 5PM. Even worse, the staff at HTC Care Singapore had NO idea what to do with the Nexus One. They told me it was dealt differently from other HTC phones. As a consumer, I seriously do not care. I just want my phone fixed/replaced/whatever. I then waited for 20 minutes while they tried to log into the Nexus One system of theirs or something.
As though that was not bad enough, they had no idea what to collect from me. Some of them said I should return only the phone, while others said the entire box set. In the end, I returned the entire box set. They did not even bother to check the contents inside. Also, the courier service used this time is M3 express instead of DHL, and I was not given any tracking number despite them telling me the order has already been placed.
Also, there were other discrepancies. The phone staff told me to expect it within 3 working days, while HTC Care staff said to expect it within 3 to 5 working days. To be fair to the HTC Care staff, I doubt they were even briefed on what to do with Nexus Ones.
Below is the email I've sent to HTC, although at this point in time I doubt the response will be good:
To whom it may concern:
I placed my order for Nexus One with Google on January 9, and finally got it today, January 15, at 2pm. I understand that weekends are not considered work days, so effectively it took 5 working days to reach, which is reasonable to me.
I opened the Nexus One only to find dust under the screen. Doing a quick search on Google shows that it is a common problem. In fact, I read on some posts that it is considered to be a DOA problem by HTC, as seen from http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=29bc1e80107f01f7&hl=en. The first thing I did was to call the Singapore HTC helpline. I had a hard time communicating with them, but they did their best to help. I was told to go down to HTC Care (Singapore) at Keppel Bay Tower. The person on the phone had also opened a ticket for me.
I reached Keppel Bay Tower at 4.15PM, and was only served at 5pm. The service staff were polite but very unsure of what to do with the Nexus One. Apparently, Nexus Ones are dealt with differently from other HTC phones, though I do not see the point of them informing me of that. I have already accepted that there is dust under the phone and instead of making a big fuss, my main aim is to get my phone replaced on a one-to-one basis since I am still within the 14 days.
Once the staff managed to retrieve my information using the ticket number given to me earlier by the person over the phone, I was told I had to return the phone, but they were unsure whether to collect the phone, or the entire box set. In the end, they collected the entire box set. I had been told to expect it within 3 days by the person over the hotline, but the staff at HTC Care informed me that it was 3 - 5 days.
I am now requesting that you replace the entire box set, and deliver it to me within 3 days. In addition, I would like to know why the courier service used
is M3 Express instead of DHL (which was used when I first got my Nexus One). Moreover, I was not given any tracking number to track the status of my delivery, despite the service staff telling me that the order has already been placed.
I find it disappointing that the service staff had no idea what to do with Nexus One cases. It seems to me that HTC does not care because it is not really HTC's phone and more like Google's phone in this case. I hope you understand where I am coming from. It is my first time dealing with HTC's service, and the experience has been a let down. I have always thought highly of HTC's products since my previous HTC phones were all well-built, and I never had to visit the service centre.
I will appreciate if you could get back to me by Monday.
My ticket number, as well as product serial number are as follows:
Ticket No.:
Phone S/N:
Thank you.
Regards,
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To end it, please remember to check before rooting!

bro sad to hear this from you.
I also got my nexus one today and i notice the screen's bottom left and right corners are making loose noise when pressed with some pressure..
so i used some pressure on the problemic areas for 20secs and so far, no more loose noise..
Hopefully it will prevent my unit from dust..

I have been consistantly checking mine as well. This sucks

melterx12 said:
man now im really going crazy. it seems that everyone is having this problem. I cant seem to find any dust under the screen but what if im just not seeing it??? Whats the chance that my phone DOES NOT have this problem???
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From what I understand, this is still a problem with a small minority of phones.
People who do not have this problem (as you might have noticed) are not going to be very vocal about not having it.
For the record, I have an N1 and have had zero problems whatsoever, screen or otherwise.

melterx12 said:
man now im really going crazy. it seems that everyone is having this problem. I cant seem to find any dust under the screen but what if im just not seeing it??? Whats the chance that my phone DOES NOT have this problem???
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Mine doesn't have it either. If you can't see it, then why is it bothering you? Mine doesn't have jam (jelly if you're in the USA) in it either but I'm not going to keep checking for jam.
SC

ScaredyCat said:
Mine doesn't have it either. If you can't see it, then why is it bothering you? Mine doesn't have jam (jelly if you're in the USA) in it either but I'm not going to keep checking for jam.
SC
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its bothering me because I REALLY want to root but REALLY will go out of my mind if I see this problem after rooting (because my warranty will then be long in the void ). So I want to track this problem down now and some how be 100% sure that my phone is safe.

Wow, this dust problem is become quite large. Small quantities doesn't sound like a good enough example of the problem. I don't have my Nexus One yet, but I do hope - that when I get it soon - the newer models (if they are starting to correct the issue) doesn't have this problem.

melterx12 said:
its bothering me because I REALLY want to root but REALLY will go out of my mind if I see this problem after rooting (because my warranty will then be long in the void ). So I want to track this problem down now and some how be 100% sure that my phone is safe.
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Well, you either wait for the warranty to expire or you root it before.
If you're really that worried power it off and check it with a magnifying glass. TBH Right now there are 1001 reasons not to root it and only a couple of reasons to root it. Unless there's something you really need/want root for you may as well wait.
SC

I know, I am waiting for now, probably until Cyanogen Mod comes out for N1. However I do not want to wait a year

ScaredyCat said:
Well, you either wait for the warranty to expire or you root it before.
If you're really that worried power it off and check it with a magnifying glass. TBH Right now there are 1001 reasons not to root it and only a couple of reasons to root it. Unless there's something you really need/want root for you may as well wait.
SC
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exactly i think one of the main reason i root my G1 was to apps2sd....and then some themes...but with this much RAM on the N1 i do not see a reason to root...

DKM119 said:
exactly i think one of the main reason i root my G1 was to apps2sd....and then some themes...but with this much RAM on the N1 i do not see a reason to root...
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Theres more to root than apps2sd. For example, Internet tethering is a feature I really want and only possible through root.

Since we're talking about rooting here, I just wanna root to upgrade to un-released Android firmwares, themes, changing things inside the phone that aren't possible stocked. There are lots of reasons to root in my eyes, and I really don't care about the negatives.

kozm0naut said:
From what I understand, this is still a problem with a small minority of phones.
People who do not have this problem (as you might have noticed) are not going to be very vocal about not having it.
For the record, I have an N1 and have had zero problems whatsoever, screen or otherwise.
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Same here. Zero problems with mine.
Also I don't plan to root until the S-ON/S-OFF issue is either resolved or root without unlock is discovered.

melterx12 said:
Theres more to root than apps2sd. For example, Internet tethering is a feature I really want and only possible through root.
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yeah i undertand you point but is not for everybody...like myself i do have wi-fi at home and at work...so i never used the internet tethering....so for me when i rooted my G1 is was only for the apps2sd and themes....

melterx12 said:
Theres more to root than apps2sd. For example, Internet tethering is a feature I really want and only possible through root.
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There are always alternative. Although not as elegant of a solution, PDAnet allows you to connect your phone to your computer so it can use your data connection. Works pretty well.

as someone who had to unroot and use the warranty on my rooted G1 like 11 months after I got it, I definitely will not root my N1 when I get it unless there is a way to revert to the full factory settings. I'm not a dev but I have faith they will figure it out though.

I woke up to find this thread now has 3 pages of useless conversation :|.
Anyway, if you take a torch and shine it it'll be obvious if there's dust on it.
I need root cause of Market Enabler and internet tethering. Will update this thread when I get a response from HTC.

That's a truly depressing story!
The warranty situation is the main reason I use to keep myself from buying this phone. Since I had a hardware issue with my G1 that needed to be replaced (stopped accepting USB input, so it wouldn't charge or transfer data), this is kind of a deal-breaker for me.
Not repairing hardware defects because of a software issue is complete bull****.
My contract comes due in November, hopefully by then, HTC will have changed their policy. If not, the phone I buy definitely won't be unsubsidized! I've had good luck just contacting tmobile and saying the phone broke. Since it doesn't work, I'll have to cancel my contract and pay the ETF.....in the past they've given me a good price on a replacement. This probably wouldn't work if I wasn't on contract with them.

I agree and some of these pointless posts have been reported, so please keep this thread on topic.
I have cleaned this thread up so please refrain from from spamming and flaming. (and will continue to do so!)
Greetz.

i may be sending mine in for a repair soon, i have a stuck/dead baby blue pixel.

Your worst nightmare. Lost phone.

I've had the HD2 since November. This forum has been a revelation. But a few hours ago I lost the phone. It's gone for good. No insurance, no location software, unlocked, 16gb sd card. Adios amigo.
Perhaps not my finest hour. Sadly, I wasn't even drunk. Just fell out of my pocket in the taxi cab. It seems some people in Poland aren't that honest. I contacted the actual cab 20min later through the company but it wasn't there.
Anyway, I still consider myself a lucky guy. This was my first foray into the world of smartphones and through an almost free upgrade on t-mobile uk i got the phone for only 100gbp (+40 for the sd card). I bought a few apps and pirated quite a few more, so perhaps this is karma at work.
Writing this is somewhat therapeutic for me but the need to find a replacement is paramount so this also allows all you guys to share your wisdom, if you will..
No other phone matches the HD2 for screen size. It's pure luxury - ok its not AMOLED, but I've looked just now - and AMOLED is maxed at 3.7" - a significant downgrade.
The other issue is the pirating of software. I know it's wrong but I think we can all agree it's the most convenient way to test apps before buying.
However, WMP7S has left me somewhat unimpressed, I think Android is where it's at right now - development is on fire on that platform. Am I wrong? should I wait to see what happens on wm7 - i suspect that would take a year at least
So what are my options? Whichever phone I pick must be supported by XDA.... (I know I don't have many posts yet, but I chose my name for a reason... )
HTC Desire? HTC Bravo? Samsung Pico (Projector phone!!!) What's coming up?
I suspect this is the year of the smartphone and my academic year is almost up so I can perhaps hold off until the summer before buying. (Back to my w810 - still the toughest phone ever built imo)
Thanks for listening and hopefully replying.... time to roll...

All Day On XDA said:
....I... pirated quite a few more (apps)..., ..
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You absolutely will not win many friends on here with the statement above.
WB

I'm not proud but I'm not rich either - I'm trying to do Med School on the cheap and its not easy. If a simple google search gives me free software, only a fool would say no.
This has only been a brief visit to the Windows platform since Windows 7 came out. For 3 years prior to that I was using linux.
Virtually all the apps I use regularly,eg FPSECE, I paid for the supporter version. There's plenty of programs that don't survive more than 2 weeks.
I apologise to anyone who may feel insulted. My intent is not to steal, but to get value for money.
Is this further weight to switch to Open platforms?

HTC Supersonic
problem solved - just have to wait again

Try out the 'premium features' on htt p://myphone.microsoft.c om/
Lock your phone
Lock your phone so that it cannot be used by anyone else. You can also enter a message to display on your phone's screen to tell the finder how to contact you.
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And that's if it can't be found through GPS...

All Day On XDA said:
If a simple google search gives me free software, only a fool would say no.
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You can Google a lot of things. So you should steal them? No need to respond. Just wait 10 years when you have your own medical practice and you start getting people stiffing you on the bill. They probably found your location via Google.

Touche, and a fair point. I wont try to defend piracy with any real heart - I accept it's wrong even if the end justifies the means ('end' being good software, 'means' being fracturing a few rules)
Thanks for the MyPhone tip - I've locked the phone at least.
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I had a crack on my screen, it wasn't too bad and I took it to a repair place to get it fixed and they were ummming and arrring about doing it and I took the phone back and on my way across the room I dropped it and the screen shattered completely... aghhhhhhhhhhh
Then I woke up with rapid breathing and the first thing I thought was "oh thank <censored> it was just a dream/nightmare"...
LOL

willgill said:
You can Google a lot of things. So you should steal them? No need to respond. Just wait 10 years when you have your own medical practice and you start getting people stiffing you on the bill. They probably found your location via Google.
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wrong post, sorry......

Starfury said:
I had a crack on my screen, it wasn't too bad and I took it to a repair place to get it fixed and they were ummming and arrring about doing it and I took the phone back and on my way across the room I dropped it and the screen shattered completely... aghhhhhhhhhhh
Then I woke up with rapid breathing and the first thing I thought was "oh thank <censored> it was just a dream/nightmare"...
LOL
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Hahaha OMG I also had a nightmare about my phone being damaged some days ago, and just like you when I woke up I thanked the lords
We are so obsessed xD

It's been a fun ride...

It's been fun, but I'm saying good-bye to my HD2.
The lag and crashing issues aren't THAT bad (excluding the texting program) but it's just inconvenient. A phone shouldn't have any of these issues, right?? And its nice that you can try different ROMs to find better performance but you shouldn't have to search for an alternative such as that after receiving your $450 brand new phone (I regret paying the full retail price so bad. I shouldn't have bought into the hype).
And for those of you claiming to have ZERO problems with your stock TMOUS HD2's running default ROMs, I question what your definitions of "problem" and "inconvenience" are, along with your perception of lag and ability to notice it. But if our perception to lag and detail is the same and you actually don't have any problems then you are very lucky.
Things I love: Browsing, Sense minus texting, Screen, Office Mobile, Camera
Things I hate: Texting, crashes, drop of 3G (probably more of T-Mobile's fault), lack of Apps compared to the droid and apple platforms.
To be honest, if I didn't text so much, I'd probably keep the phone.
Once again, it's been fun and this forum has been VERY helpful in my quest to fix the phone. Everyone is nice and overall very well informed. Thanks!
-Alex
PS, if anyone has some secret solution to this problem(s) other than trying the latest 2.13 ROM from T-mobile (which I have already tried), I'd be willing to keep the phone!

alexs0fly said:
It's been fun, but I'm saying good-bye to my HD2.
The lag and crashing issues aren't THAT bad (excluding the texting program) but it's just inconvenient. A phone shouldn't have any of these issues, right?? And its nice that you can try different ROMs to find better performance but you shouldn't have to search for an alternative such as that after receiving your $450 brand new phone (I regret paying the full retail price so bad. I shouldn't have bought into the hype).
And for those of you claiming to have ZERO problems with your stock TMOUS HD2's running default ROMs, I question what your definitions of "problem" and "inconvenience" are, along with your perception of lag and ability to notice it. But if our perception to lag and detail is the same and you actually don't have any problems then you are very lucky.
Things I love: Browsing, Sense minus texting, Screen, Office Mobile, Camera
Things I hate: Texting, crashes, drop of 3G (probably more of T-Mobile's fault), lack of Apps compared to the droid and apple platforms.
To be honest, if I didn't text so much, I'd probably keep the phone.
Once again, it's been fun and this forum has been VERY helpful in my quest to fix the phone. Everyone is nice and overall very well informed. Thanks!
-Alex
PS, if anyone has some secret solution to this problem(s) other than trying the latest 2.13 ROM from T-mobile, I'd be willing to keep the phone!
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have you updated to the latest rom? texting has greatly improved IMHO. that was also my major concern with this phone prior to the update.

I agree with you to a certain extent, Alex. But I am more of a tinkerer to find solutions to the problems. If there weren't ANY problems with the phone, I would get rid of it!!!!
As far as texting... have you tried Swype? I came from a hardware-keyboard phone myself, and hated trying to text with the onscreen keyboard. But after getting used to Swype, I can say that I am MUCH happier.
With all that said... I'll give you $100 for your phone!!!!

I'll go to 105.

Alex,
If you bought a car, and a few months later the manufacturer announces they have a modification they can do to the car that will address certain issues, including one that you're experiencing (let's assume something other than critical safety issues)....do you return the car, or let them apply the modification?
It's the same idea with the new tmo ROM...it's an official update that you should try, especially with your SMS issues. No product is perfect out of the gate, and an official update like this is the only real way for them to try to fix issues from the factory. If you like the phone other than those reasons you listed, it seems silly to walk away from it already without even giving that a try.

Sorry that I didn't make it clear but I'm running the 2.13 right now. Texting is a little better but still laggy. And I should probably give swype a try before writing it off. We will see. Thanks guys

Camusa said:
I'll go to 105.
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I've got 110.00

Alex, what phone are you gonna switch to?

Software Vs. Hardware
I really don't have any major problems with anything on the stock rom. No lags or nothing. That being said, if I experienced any issues my first response would be to find out if its hardware or software related.
In my mind, you can solve every single software related issues and I really love the HD2 hardware so there is no way I will ever return mine just because I face some software issues. And this is the great thing about WM, you can actually tweak it to function the way you want.
I must say that this is not the phone for someone who wants it work out of the box. I mean it works but you really need to know what you are doing. Regarding the apps, WM has far more apps then any mobile os out there, you cannot just compare the marketplace apps. Its WM, you have to know what you are getting into before you buy a phone.

alexs0fly said:
Sorry that I didn't make it clear but I'm running the 2.13 right now. Texting is a little better but still laggy. And I should probably give swype a try before writing it off. We will see. Thanks guys
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Ahhh gotcha, understood now, sorry.
Yes I would definitely give swype a try, once you use it, it's a whole different touch-typing experience.
The only other thing I'd ask is how often you clear out text messages on your phone? I think that 99% of the SMS freezing is due to too many text messages in the client at once. I clean mine out once a day at least, more if I'm texting a lot that day. I simply run a quick myphone backup to save them off-phone, and then I wipe out any threads I'm not currently conversing in (including clearing the deleted items folder). I never have any SMS freezing, even on the original (2.10) tmo ROM I'm still running.

adamhlj said:
Alex, what phone are you gonna switch to?
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I'm gonna just go with something simple and cheap like a Blackberry 8900 or 8520. I also need the money because something came up =/
np231 said:
I really don't have any major problems with anything on the stock rom. No lags or nothing. That being said, if I experienced any issues my first response would be to find out if its hardware or software related.
In my mind, you can solve every single software related issues and I really love the HD2 hardware so there is no way I will ever return mine just because I face some software issues. And this is the great thing about WM, you can actually tweak it to function the way you want.
I must say that this is not the phone for someone who wants it work out of the box. I mean it works but you really need to know what you are doing. Regarding the apps, WM has far more apps then any mobile os out there, you cannot just compare the marketplace apps. Its WM, you have to know what you are getting into before you buy a phone.
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Yeah, I know there's a lot of tweaking involved. I guess I just belong to the group of people that just want their phone to operate nearly perfectly fresh out of the box. I guess I really didn't know what I was getting myself into. I should have looked further into WM.
sirphunkee said:
Ahhh gotcha, understood now, sorry.
Yes I would definitely give swype a try, once you use it, it's a whole different touch-typing experience.
The only other thing I'd ask is how often you clear out text messages on your phone? I think that 99% of the SMS freezing is due to too many text messages in the client at once. I clean mine out once a day at least, more if I'm texting a lot that day. I simply run a quick myphone backup to save them off-phone, and then I wipe out any threads I'm not currently conversing in (including clearing the deleted items folder). I never have any SMS freezing, even on the original (2.10) tmo ROM I'm still running.
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I'm testing out swype. I don't like it for the moment but I think its just because I'm not used to it. Gonna keep messing with it. As for clearing messages, I try not to let mine exceed 50. I wish I never had SMS freezing. I had less freezing on Kumar's classic 1.6 though

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alexs0fly said:
I'm gonna just go with something simple and cheap like a Blackberry 8900 or 8520. I also need the money because something came up =/
Yeah, I know there's a lot of tweaking involved. I guess I just belong to the group of people that just want their phone to operate nearly perfectly fresh out of the box. I guess I really didn't know what I was getting myself into. I should have looked further into WM.
I'm testing out swype. I don't like it for the moment but I think its just because I'm not used to it. Gonna keep messing with it. As for clearing messages, I try not to let mine exceed 50. I wish I never had SMS freezing. I had less freezing on Kumar's classic 1.6 though
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let me know if you decide you want to get rid of your phone. I would seriously consider buying it if your price isn't to far fetched.

np231 said:
Regarding the apps, WM has far more apps then any mobile os out there, you cannot just compare the marketplace apps.
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Apps that are compatible with this phone's resolution? Apps that compare to the UI of other platforms? Games that are similar to one on the other platforms?
Until you can show me this, I will still consider WM phones to be a NON-app instensive platform. Yes, they have all the apps you could need to do anything with, but they don't have all the apps you WANT.

jaliscojorge said:
let me know if you decide you want to get rid of your phone. I would seriously consider buying it if your price isn't to far fetched.
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What do you consider a "far fetched" price to be? I cant take too big of a loss either you know.

alexs0fly said:
What do you consider a "far fetched" price to be? I cant take too big of a loss either you know.
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pm me with a price and i will let you know if i can afford it.

i want to get rid of my phone too, evo 4g is out and it puts this phone to shame.. the laggy texting ect..swype wont even help u.. and u can get swype for a lot of phones anyway.

I have to agree with you 100%, I am coming of of a Nokia E51 which for a three year old phone has more basic, logical features which I though every phone would have.
The sms lagg is horrible and I experience all the time, or the fact that we cant keep the hom page looking the way it does and turn off the active weather. It lags the crap out of th phone if u just go to move screens or find something and its showing you clouds for 19 seconds scrolling by..
you cannot uninstal the useless applications that came with it without whiping the entire phone.
The new update is fine and dandy, but It clears the whole phone, so eveyr thign I have installed and set i have to redo just to get an upgrade, totaly idiotic in my mind. If its a OS update, then it should only effect the OS backround files not reset the total system.
Backing up contact. Sims only store 250 contact. I have over 300 so I have many on my phone it self, to copy the entire phone book to memory card, i have to do it one by one. Yes I know I can instal an app for it, but should I really have to? thats should be a basic app. Syncing with your computer, requires you to have email set up in outlook, I dont use out look, so I have to go through all that troube just to get that done.
In my house, my nokia has full signal at all times, with this new bad boy phone i barly get one bar if I am lucky.
Just simple little things which should be an automacit features on phones are missing here. I dont get the thinking behind that.
To the person who did the car analogy. Would you buy a expensive car if you had to install the breaks you self after purchase.. Oh you want a rear veiw mirror? here is a mirror, and some glue go have fun? no you would not, you would expect all functions to be there.
The phone doesnt even allow you to control how you view your contacts for crying out loud, I had to D/L an app to set if i want to view first name/ last name, vs the default last name first name. That is just bad.
Out side of a big shiny screen that eats ur batery life in one day and the camera.. nothing special.
just my two cents

rysky007, I agree with you for the most part

Would you buy a car knowing that it does not come with certain features or does not perform the way you want it to? Or do you just buy any car expecting all of them to come with features just because a car of another brand had them? There is a reason why it's better to lease a BMW than buying it.
It seems like you're the average joe that bought into the hype not knowing what Windows Mobile is.
Don't come crying just because the phone was not what you expected it to be. Do your homework next time before making a purchase.
rysky007 said:
I have to agree with you 100%, I am coming of of a Nokia E51 which for a three year old phone has more basic, logical features which I though every phone would have.
The sms lagg is horrible and I experience all the time, or the fact that we cant keep the hom page looking the way it does and turn off the active weather. It lags the crap out of th phone if u just go to move screens or find something and its showing you clouds for 19 seconds scrolling by..
you cannot uninstal the useless applications that came with it without whiping the entire phone.
The new update is fine and dandy, but It clears the whole phone, so eveyr thign I have installed and set i have to redo just to get an upgrade, totaly idiotic in my mind. If its a OS update, then it should only effect the OS backround files not reset the total system.
Backing up contact. Sims only store 250 contact. I have over 300 so I have many on my phone it self, to copy the entire phone book to memory card, i have to do it one by one. Yes I know I can instal an app for it, but should I really have to? thats should be a basic app. Syncing with your computer, requires you to have email set up in outlook, I dont use out look, so I have to go through all that troube just to get that done.
In my house, my nokia has full signal at all times, with this new bad boy phone i barly get one bar if I am lucky.
Just simple little things which should be an automacit features on phones are missing here. I dont get the thinking behind that.
To the person who did the car analogy. Would you buy a expensive car if you had to install the breaks you self after purchase.. Oh you want a rear veiw mirror? here is a mirror, and some glue go have fun? no you would not, you would expect all functions to be there.
The phone doesnt even allow you to control how you view your contacts for crying out loud, I had to D/L an app to set if i want to view first name/ last name, vs the default last name first name. That is just bad.
Out side of a big shiny screen that eats ur batery life in one day and the camera.. nothing special.
just my two cents
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PoisonWolf said:
Would you buy a car knowing that it does not come with certain features or does not perform the way you want it to? Or do you just buy any car expecting all of them to come with features just because a car of another brand had them? There is a reason why it's better to lease a BMW than buying it.
It seems like you're the average joe that bought into the hype not knowing what Windows Mobile is.
Don't come crying just because the phone was not what you expected it to be. Do your homework next time before making a purchase.
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A better analogy is you are buying a stock BMW and expecting it to drive like a F1 race car. Fact is, you have to add certain available add-ons to make it into a M5-ish car with the type of race tires you want and the suspension your driving habits need.

tmobile tv

So I just realized today, whenever i first got my phone (i think its been 1 week or 2 now), one of the first things i opened was tmobile tv, i remember it saying something about 30 day free trial, I was wondering will it charge me after 30 days? If so, how do i cancel it?

This is an exceptionally good question. I haven't accepted their trial yet because I planned to wait to start until I had time to play with it. That said, I figured I'd look up the answer for you so I could post a good natured poke of "Google is your friend". Turns out Google doesn't know either and by now I'm seriously questioning if TMOB knows!
I found 4 artiicals on TMO News that were almost completely content free, so much for truth in naming. I did find a reference that the new win-7 abomination will have free tv. Seems if anyone would pay for TV people stupid enough to buy win-7 would be the ones. Still that may imply MT4G will be free as well. Of course that begs the question exactly what is it a trial of.
By this time I was fairly obsessed and checked my account. According to TMOB the only upgrade they are currently dangling is the caller tunes thing. IMO this is just about the only thing you can do with a phone that is more annoying than RING-RING. But I suppose some people like it.
My several years old opinion of cellco tv service is that it compares very poorly to just about any other form of video consumption available. Of course that was Sprint and they compare very unfavorably to just about everything. So, maybe things are different, but until I see it I remain skeptical.
So ultimately I am unable to answer your question. Might be time to just call and ask them. But where's the fun in that?!

When you open the tmobile tv app it pops up a message stating how many days you have left on your trial. Just go into the help, subscriptions, and unsubscribe. Simple as that. I just did that last night.

nmw407 said:
When you open the tmobile tv app it pops up a message stating how many days you have left on your trial. Just go into the help, subscriptions, and unsubscribe. Simple as that. I just did that last night.
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Damn, im on iced glacier, which doesnt have tmobile tv, hopefully i can find an apk somewhere, thanks for the response

If you explain to me in layman's terms how to extract the apk, I'll be happy to post it.

nmw407 said:
If you explain to me in layman's terms how to extract the apk, I'll be happy to post it.
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i just google'd tmobile tv apk and got it. Thanks though.