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How to disconnect the "Always On' GPRS in WM2003

Some questions about the "ALWAYS ON" GPRS connection in WM2003 (device = imate aka XDA II)
1. Does it consume extra battery life if the GPRS is alawys on?
2. When I'm connected but not actively doing anything (upload/download), does the device keep communicating with the service provider? i.e. sending control information back and forth even when i am actively not using it?
3. If the GPRS connection is active, are there any chances my phone reception or the phone's ability to get a phone call/SMS/MMS is adversely affected? I dont want people not to be able to contact me or send sms/mms because my phone is always connected on GPRS.
4. Once the GPRS connection is made, and i'm done doing my "thing", how do I disconnect? Cause currently I have no way of disconnecting.

1 yes like your phone use more power when you speak in your phone it use lot more power then not using it
2 a bit not too much
3 it should not
4 www.GB-SOFT.cz/xdaII should add some features

humayunl said:
Some questions about the "ALWAYS ON" GPRS connection in WM2003 (device = imate aka XDA II)
4. Once the GPRS connection is made, and i'm done doing my "thing", how do I disconnect? Cause currently I have no way of disconnecting.
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Press and hold the Red Disconnect button for several seconds (Approx. 3 Sec) and it will disconnect.
Dustoff

humayunl said:
Some questions about the "ALWAYS ON" GPRS connection in WM2003 (device = imate aka XDA II)
4. Once the GPRS connection is made, and i'm done doing my "thing", how do I disconnect? Cause currently I have no way of disconnecting.
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Press and hold the Red Disconnect button for several seconds (Approx. 3 Sec) and it will disconnect.
Dustoff

Mind you, I use an MDA I.
as far as I know, the only way to get off and stay off GPRS is to go to settings->system->memmory->running programs and close anything that might use it (mailbox, IE, etc...)
If the signal indicator says it's connected to GPRS, then yes, you are actively connected to the tower/cell network. Sending info constantly, I don't know?????
GPRS effecting other network connectiveity???? I've heard yay and nay and have no professional opinion. Personally, I have no problems recieving a call, sms, etc... while connected to GPRS.
As far as power consumption, I would assume yes, it sucks up power. I have noticed about a 15% increase in power consumption using the web for an hour or so per day as well as automaticly checking email once every 45 minutes.
I also recently discovered a beautiful little prog that I cooked into my MDA I OS. PocketNav. It allows you to switch programs, close certain ones with only two "clicks", or all the progs at once, etc.... Check it out!!! It will be worth your time (I don't know where to get it other than stephan's kitchen).
Good luck!

gsm and sms should disable grps while it's using the band
but not cause problems
there is also the program PHM task manager
which is pretty much a copy of the task manager in windows 2k and xp so if people know and like that then it's a good program

Dustoff said:
humayunl said:
Some questions about the "ALWAYS ON" GPRS connection in WM2003 (device = imate aka XDA II)
4. Once the GPRS connection is made, and i'm done doing my "thing", how do I disconnect? Cause currently I have no way of disconnecting.
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Press and hold the Red Disconnect button for several seconds (Approx. 3 Sec) and it will disconnect.
Dustoff
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He Dustoff,
Great stuff! Worked fine for me. Thanks.
Ronald

Dustoff,
Where is the Red dsiconnect button I am supposed to press and hold?
I am using WM2003 and after Iam connected, i havent been able to find any place where there is any disconnect option. in the connection bubble all i can see is that i am "connected" but there is nowhere for me to disconnect.
Can you please let me know where you find this disconnect option.
thanks

Red disconnect button
It is simply the red button of the telephone.
On another hand, if someone calls you exactly in the same moment when yours GPRS is fully active downloading something (a big picture, a long message, ...), you may appear as "unavailable"

Rudegar said:
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Hi.
I have not tried the above software yet, but here is the problem I have...
I use Wi-Fi a lot at home and quite often keep the Wi-Fi on and use WiFiFoFum away from home. I have managed to set up my pay as you go GPRS connection. But whenever I'm away from a Wi-Fi network the GPRS connects and my applications then access the internet.
There needs to be an option of "not connecting gprs automatically when there is no Wi-Fi connection."
What I have had to do is change one of the setting for the gprs so it cant connect, and I have to change it back when I need it.
Switching from Wi-Fi to gprs can cost a lot if things connect without me knowing. It costs £3 for a months use of 1Mb.
Regards,
Ian Watson

creating a phantom connection, and "picking" it as default may be slightly quicker than changing the settings of you primary connection.

I think holding down the HANGUP/STOP button for 2-3 seconds is the fastest and easiest way.

interestingfellow said:
creating a phantom connection, and "picking" it as default may be slightly quicker than changing the settings of you primary connection.
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I have found where I can stop it from connecting the GPRS if it cant get a wi-fi conncetion. Connections icon on the connections tab, then the advanced tab, then the select networks button - "programs that automaticall connect to the internet..........". I have changed this from gprs to my isp.
Ian

xda2i... Gprs always on??

I have just recently got a Xda2i.
Every time I turn it on, i find the gprs enabled.
I have had my old xda2 for more than a year now and this has never happened before.
I am just worried that I am gong to get a shock on my next bill. :shock:
I know that it may use a few bytes here and there, but it tends to add up after a while.
The only way I can stop it from doing this is to go into flight mode. Whats the point of having a xda if the phone is always off? :?
maybe I have changed some gprs settings?
Concerned,
Frogger

The "G" sign at the top of the screen does not mean you are connected to GPRS all the time.
It simply means you are in a GPRS area of the network, so GPRS is available when you need it and connect by tapping the "G" symbol.

lydiachris, or maybe someone else can tell me how to make a disconnect after I've get connected to the Internet over GPRS. In WM2003 (not SE) there is a button Disconnect, but in 2003 SE there is only Hide button... so How can I disconnect from GPRS without tourning on Flight Mode?
Exept Press and hold Hang up Button. :roll:

Hi Lydiachris, please could you tell me where to get hold of the "I-Mate PDA2 ROM:v 1.11.144 WWE " rom. I have looked everywhere and can't seem to find a link. Cheers...

Frogger said:
I have just recently got a Xda2i.
Every time I turn it on, i find the gprs enabled.
I have had my old xda2 for more than a year now and this has never happened before.
I am just worried that I am gong to get a shock on my next bill. :shock:
I know that it may use a few bytes here and there, but it tends to add up after a while.
The only way I can stop it from doing this is to go into flight mode. Whats the point of having a xda if the phone is always off? :?
maybe I have changed some gprs settings?
Concerned,
Frogger
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I think if you hold down the hang up button it disconnects the gprs,
it had me wondering for a while.
R

GeoKVANt said:
lydiachris, or maybe someone else can tell me how to make a disconnect after I've get connected to the Internet over GPRS. In WM2003 (not SE) there is a button Disconnect, but in 2003 SE there is only Hide button... so How can I disconnect from GPRS without tourning on Flight Mode?
Exept Press and hold Hang up Button. :roll:
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But there ist no other way without extra software. PhoneAlarm 1.22 for example brings back the diconnect-button. Or use the taskbar-icon from SPB GPRS-monitor, it also got a gprs disconnect button and shows you all gprs stats. But only the full version does that, not that gprs-monitor coming from exROM (T-Mobile).

Here is very good application it adds missing disconnect button and few more options just place it in windows folder make soft reset and go to settings/system/GB-SOFT Tweak enjoy :wink:

Unable to use ActiveSync Passthrough for Internet..Sometimes

Here's a summary of my problem that I just cannot seem to figure out. My Cingular 8125 connects to the internet via activesync just fine. However, if I accidentally plug my usb cord in while my Cingular 8125 is connected to Edge (i.e. retrieving email, connected to Agile Messenger), then I cannot get it to use the computer's internet connection using passthrough. Usually after about a day it will just start working on its own again (as if something resets).
Does anyone know why this is happening, and what I can do to force it to work, since waiting a day can be very frustrating? Thanks!

Do you have the proxy disabled? That should solve it.

I do have the proxy disabled but it doesnt help.

*BUMP*
I'm having an identical problem. Everything on the phone seems to be setup correctly, activesync is configured correctly...however no passthrough. If anyone has any further suggestions please let me know.
-AnarchE

You might try this just for grins. Try holding down your bottom right red "End" button for a few seconds and see if GPRS disengages.
I occasionally have wifi going but will start a browser and it will start the GPRS connection anyway instead of using wifi. I hold down the end call button for a few seconds and GPRS stops and WiFi takes over.
This doesn't totally apply to your particular situation, but worth a try if you haven't tried it already.

pdmath said:
You might try this just for grins. Try holding down your bottom right red "End" button for a few seconds and see if GPRS disengages.
I occasionally have wifi going but will start a browser and it will start the GPRS connection anyway instead of using wifi. I hold down the end call button for a few seconds and GPRS stops and WiFi takes over.
This doesn't totally apply to your particular situation, but worth a try if you haven't tried it already.
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If that was to me, I have tried completely disabling GPRS to see if that would work, but no dice.

have you tred as 4.5 beta 2?

lvlolvlo said:
have you tred as 4.5 beta 2?
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Yep, been using it for about 24 hours now.
Its also worth noting that I tried with AS 4.1 and 4.5 on my work machine (no firewall, no previous AS install) and the same problem persists. This leads me to believe it is a problem with the phone.

GPRS always auto disconnects after some time

I found a lot of posts where people ask for auto disconnect. My problem is the other way round: When I connect with GPRS after some 5 minutes or so my QTEK S200 disconnects by itself. This might be caused by the cab file MP_autoDisconnect_EnableDRM_prophetUA(AKU2.0)_060112.cab which I found in enhanced ROM?
I don't want to hard reset to see the effect this cab not beeing installed. Any ideas to help???

I have the same problem... lets see if anyone knows how to enable GPRS for longer then only 6 minutes.

I have the same problem... lets see if anyone knows how to enable GPRS for longer then only 6 minutes.

it's because of your mobile operator. i've the same sh.t here. it keeps disconnecting after 5-10 minutes and the traffic rounds up. and i have to pay more... i've a hima, my friend's SE W800 - same crap, keeps disconnecting. i'm sick of GSM networks, they're getting old and do not meet modern speed and reliability requirements. so i'm afraid we'll just have to wait until WiMAX or something else comes to replace an old man. cheers

You might wanna try this from wiki here:
If you want your GPRS (or EDGE) connection to always be on, set the following:
HKLM\Comm\ConnMgr\Providers\{7C4B7A38-5FF7-4bc1-80F6-5DA7870BB1AA}\|gprs connection name|\AlwaysOn = 1 (DWORD decimal)
And to turn it off:
HKLM\Comm\ConnMgr\Providers\{7C4B7A38-5FF7-4bc1-80F6-5DA7870BB1AA}\|gprs connection name|\AlwaysOn = 0 (DWORD decimal)
Note that |gprs connection name| will depend on the name you've given your GPRS connection
I'm on tmobile web n walk, so its a pain to wait for gprs to reconnect everytime.... I've just started using this for about a day, but looks ok so far... try it... see if its the magic ur looking for

zep said:
it's because of your mobile operator. i've the same sh.t here. it keeps disconnecting after 5-10 minutes and the traffic rounds up. and i have to pay more... i've a hima, my friend's SE W800 - same crap, keeps disconnecting. i'm sick of GSM networks, they're getting old and do not meet modern speed and reliability requirements. so i'm afraid we'll just have to wait until WiMAX or something else comes to replace an old man. cheers
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I don't think it's connected to the provider as I know enough people using the same provider where GPRS stays connected a long time. The only difference we have is the PPC. I will try jamichy's solution later this week when I will be back home. In the meantime Craic Dub - does it solve the problem on your side?

jamichy said:
You might wanna try this from wiki here:
If you want your GPRS (or EDGE) connection to always be on, set the following:
HKLM\Comm\ConnMgr\Providers\{7C4B7A38-5FF7-4bc1-80F6-5DA7870BB1AA}\|gprs connection name|\AlwaysOn = 1 (DWORD decimal)
And to turn it off:
HKLM\Comm\ConnMgr\Providers\{7C4B7A38-5FF7-4bc1-80F6-5DA7870BB1AA}\|gprs connection name|\AlwaysOn = 0 (DWORD decimal)
Note that |gprs connection name| will depend on the name you've given your GPRS connection
I'm on tmobile web n walk, so its a pain to wait for gprs to reconnect everytime.... I've just started using this for about a day, but looks ok so far... try it... see if its the magic ur looking for
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O.k. I couldn't wait and tested today. Now the connection seems to stay as long as you do not stop it.
But: It connects automatically to GPRS when you connect the phone to your provider. That's not really what I wanted. In other countries this will create extreme roaming costs.
Any other idea on how to stop this auto connect? Even using phonealarm's "do not start GPRS automatically" does not help, again it starts connecting when you dial in your Phone PIN.

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Seems the Reg Hack is not a brilliant idea... I have setup my device to power off display after 2min... when i press power button to come out of standby, it freezes the device for abt 40 to 50 sec
Its worse when i get an incoming call, the screen is on but does not respond to touch or pressing green button...
So i changed registry back... and bingo, everythings ok again....
But now, i've found another way, a little freeware app that does all I want and more, and you get the option to choose connect gprs on boot or connect when needed... etc... take a look at:
http://www.gb-soft.cz/XDAII/product_gprs_tweak_wm5pe_en.htm
I'm using now, and seems ok

jamichy said:
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Seems the Reg Hack is not a brilliant idea... I have setup my device to power off display after 2min... when i press power button to come out of standby, it freezes the device for abt 40 to 50 sec
Its worse when i get an incoming call, the screen is on but does not respond to touch or pressing green button...
So i changed registry back... and bingo, everythings ok again....
But now, i've found another way, a little freeware app that does all I want and more, and you get the option to choose connect gprs on boot or connect when needed... etc... take a look at:
http://www.gb-soft.cz/XDAII/product_gprs_tweak_wm5pe_en.htm
I'm using now, and seems ok
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Sounds interesting. Still difficult for me to understand what it really does:
- What means "search GPRS [G] on start radio"
- What means "start [G] on start GPRS
- What means "Switch GRPS always On/Off hold till for following connection"
Can you tell me what it does non your side? Im a startting to hesitate trying to many things. I am still not convinced of WM5 - I installed GPS pgrs monitor (on QTEK CD...) which did not work together with phone alarm. And to deinstall was the ususal WM5 hassle, only using sktools and manual deletion of a file after another soft reser I was able to remove it again

Search GPRS ON start radio=gprs connects on startup
Start G on start GPRS=gprs connects when an application needs web connection, and stays connected
Switch GRPS always On/Off hold till for following connection=default settings, connect when needed, then disconnect
Havent had the phone freeze problem, and gprs connects on startup, and stays connected... which is fine for my tariff, tmobile web n walk unlimited gprs

jamichy said:
Search GPRS ON start radio=gprs connects on startup
Start G on start GPRS=gprs connects when an application needs web connection, and stays connected
Switch GRPS always On/Off hold till for following connection=default settings, connect when needed, then disconnect
Havent had the phone freeze problem, and gprs connects on startup, and stays connected... which is fine for my tariff, tmobile web n walk unlimited gprs
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Seems to work flawlessly so far on my S200. Thanks for your help Jamichy!!
The only thing I'am still missing is EDGE in Germany... :wink:

The 8125 is great but how do I fix these issues?

My 8125 is about a month old now and it is great. It’s my first experience with push email and it’s wonderful. I do have a few problems that I can not find a fix for. I have read many forums and have come to the conclusion that these features are either broke or were meant to work incorrectly.
1.) If you leave Pocket Outlook as the foreground task the 8125 will not notify you in any way that you have a new message. You have to turn the device on to check for new email. If Pocket Outlook is not running or its running in the background the phone will beep and the orange light will blink. If the phone is in standby it should notify you of a new message no matter what.
2.) The Bluetooth LED is always blinking. I always use a Bluetooth headset and it’s very common when I am driving to leave iNav GPS software running that uses a Bluetooth GPS. There is no reason for me to ever turn Bluetooth off so I do not need to be notified it is on or off. It would be nice if I could change the Bluetooth LED to notify me of voice mail or a missed call and the orange light can be used for new push email or SMS/MMS messages.
3.) When you open the keyboard it should light up. If you are in a dark room you have to open the keyboard the press a key to get it to light up. I also have not found a way to change how long it stays on for. There are a few reg hacks that claim they change the time but they do not work on my 8125.
4.) Every time I use WiFi I have to change my internet profile so it does not use a proxy. When you turn the WiFi radio on it should automatically change that info. When you turn WiFi off it should change it back automatically.
The following two have nothing to do with the 8125 but if someone has a fix it would be helpful.
5.) When you use push email your IT department can force a policy on the phone to ask for a password every 30 min of inactivity. This is a real pain if you are using a GPS. I found a reg hack that lets me change it to 24 hours but the policy gets forced on the device once a day and I have to run the reg hack again. Has anyone found a way around this?
6.) iNAV GPS Software has a bug that makes the voice navigation on all WM5 devices go very very very slow. The fix is to turn off the GPRS radio. When you do that all your push emails do not come in. iNAV claims they are working on a fix but I was curios if anyone found a way around this issue.
If anyone has any advice on these items it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
SeanH

There is no fix for the keyboard light issue. It is a flaw in the way it was built and is a hardware-activated light, so registry keys won't do anything.
Sorry, but that's all I have for you.

SeanH said:
4.) Every time I use WiFi I have to change my internet profile so it does not use a proxy. When you turn the WiFi radio on it should automatically change that info. When you turn WiFi off it should change it back automatically.
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I don't have a fix but just work around. What i am doing is to create a separate connection for wi-fi (no proxy). When you need to use wi-fi instead of gprs, you can simply select this connection from settings-->connections-->advanced-->select networks. Hence you don't have to remove the proxy settings for gprs everytime you use wi-fi. It takes a few steps but still easier than add/remove proxy settings. Hope this helps.
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6.) iNAV GPS Software has a bug that makes the voice navigation on all WM5 devices go very very very slow.
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I use iNav GPS software a lot but I didn't realize this issue. It seems running perfect, voice prompt, recalculation, display... which version of iNav are you using?

SeanH said:
1.) If you leave Pocket Outlook as the foreground task the 8125 will not notify you in any way that you have a new message. You have to turn the device on to check for new email. If Pocket Outlook is not running or its running in the background the phone will beep and the orange light will blink. If the phone is in standby it should notify you of a new message no matter what.
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I have a T-Mobile MDA (US) and use Pocket Informant v5 as the default PIM. I don't normally have PI in the foreground but haven't noticed this behavior under any circumstances.
3.) When you open the keyboard it should light up. If you are in a dark room you have to open the keyboard the press a key to get it to light up. I also have not found a way to change how long it stays on for. There are a few reg hacks that claim they change the time but they do not work on my 8125.
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Just touch the bottom right key or the spacebar and the keyboard backlight will turn on without affecting anything else. I've heard complaints about this but I can't see why this is an issue. OTOH, the timing of the backlight is another matter, and it should be adjustable. Alas, it appears not to be.
4.) Every time I use WiFi I have to change my internet profile so it does not use a proxy. When you turn the WiFi radio on it should automatically change that info. When you turn WiFi off it should change it back automatically.
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Mine just logs onto a network if available, and I haven't had any problems with wifi at all.
6.) iNAV GPS Software has a bug that makes the voice navigation on all WM5 devices go very very very slow. The fix is to turn off the GPRS radio. When you do that all your push emails do not come in. iNAV claims they are working on a fix but I was curios if anyone found a way around this issue.
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I'm using iGuidance v3 and haven't noticed this, but GPRS isn't being used. I'm not sure how to enable/disable it, but in Settings > Connections > GPRS it is set to "Chap Authentication." When upgrading firmware I do not auto-load the Ext. ROM programs and have only a few loaded manually, so the GPRS functionality may not be fully implemented. Needless to say, I am not subscribing to internet service at this time.

iclick said:
Just touch the bottom right key or the spacebar and the keyboard backlight will turn on without affecting anything else. I've heard complaints about this but I can't see why this is an issue.
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In a dark area it’s hard to see the keyboard until it lights up. I use the right arrow to get this display to light up. When you press the space bar it will enter a space in what ever app is active. Not turning the light on when the keyboard opens is a design flaw. Most people open the keyboard to use it. As soon as you press any key the light comes on so you can see the keys. It just makes sense to turn the keyboard light on when you open it so you can start typing.
iclick said:
I'm using iGuidance v3 and haven't noticed this, but GPRS isn't being used. I'm not sure how to enable/disable it, but in Settings > Connections > GPRS it is set to "Chap Authentication." When upgrading firmware I do not auto-load the Ext. ROM programs and have only a few loaded manually, so the GPRS functionality may not be fully implemented. Needless to say, I am not subscribing to internet service at this time.
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It looks like iNavcorp is in the process of posting a fix. This is from there web site.
Patch file (for DVD version only)
This patch will correct slow voice guidance speed issue on ppc phones as well as some other minor syntex/routing errors on ppc, laptop, and umpc/car pc versions. It also includes few new features such as panning mode exit timer as well as timer reset code for ppc phone edition.
SeanH