Hi all,
It is for quite some time now that i am looking for a hebrew localization pack for my Universal and apparently there is no cheep solution for that. (well there is a 130$ one but it is too expensive for me...) .
I've searched the net for a cheep solution but it seems that all software companies that develop these kind of localization do not know all about Hebrew and thus i get a software that write in mirror like way and some more little things (like no hebrew Email/sms support, no hebrew on PIE etc...).
all i want is to be able to send/recieve emails/sms and have the hebrew keboard layout (in addition to the english one) so that i can write documents or sms/emails (PIE is less important to me ) - in the right hebrew direction (right to left).
I am looking for someone able to give me some guidelines on how to start this project of hebrew localization - if i will finnish this, i will share it freely. i look for no profit.
thank you all who can help me.
hebrew
best solution: http://www.eyron.net/
(1 week try for free).
works perfect with my qtek 9000
even cheaper:
http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=5498
you might also try: P.D.A.C. which also has Hebrew for mobile devices (the site is: http://www.wince.co.il/). BTW - I bought it for approx. 230-50 shekels (shop was cheaper than the site!)
Although I have to add that I actually had it installed by Handy (mobile devices shop in Tel Aviv) - who are pretty experienced with Hebrew on mobile devices, but it didn't work well (mirror hebrew, IMEI # disappeared...), when I had to reinstall it after a Hard Reset of my device - so eventually I got a refund.
I am told that Eyron works much the same way (i.e. there is no real difference between the two), but the PDAC support team are considered more responsive; which I experienced 1st hand: when I tried to install the eyron trial, I wanted to ask them a couple of technical questions - I did so in a couple of emails - but NEVER received any reply back.
bottom line is I have no definitive answer as to which prog. to use. Another factor may be th ROM you use on the device. After I update mine I'll attempt this again... write here if you have any new info.
well,
Thank you Magicuser and techdot,
I did try Eyron's UI but it took me too many hardresets and i also had to speak to their support by phone untill they found a version that worked on my XDA EXEC. bottom line - they are too expensive and the software made my device slower...
I also have been in contact with PDAC but they do not have an evaluation software, their reply to me said that if i wish i can come to their offices, have them install their software on my device but soon as i leave they would hardreset (!!!) my device to get it all off....personaly i'm against this as i think i should have the possibility to evaluate before i buy.
I did make a mistake with Ectaco language support - i bought it befor i evaluated it properly and now i have problems with them - the hebrew keyboard dont seem to load up, i have no hebrew on sms/emails (send or recieve) and i also have no hebrew on PIE...
this why i am looking for my own solution for a minimal hebrew support (keyboard, sms/emai send/recieve, PIE - in good and not mirrorized right to left way)...
I bought the PDAC solution for my MioA201 (WM5) and it works very well, although it has an over complex security installation routine.
I have not tried it on the Exec. If you tell PDAC what PDA you have and ask them if they would refund if it doesn't work. I am sure they would respond +vely to this
rgds
The thing is, i would like to try it befor i decide do pay money for it.
and i think 250NIS is too much for a rather simple feature (heberw keyboard, send/recieve hebrew sms/email and optional hebrew support for PIE), which i dont understand why Microsoft does not provide for free (like when you buy win XP for desktop pc).
the other alternative is you find a hebrew firmware upgrade for the exec. There is one for the Typhoon, but not sure about the Universal. Cellcom support HTC products and they might have a hebrew firmware so you should call them, but I have not heard about it. Its all a case of supply and demand, there is probably not a critical mass of Universal users in Israel for HTC to bother. I know there is a critical mass for the Typhoon and Hebrew firmware is available.
The useful thing about PDAC is that if you buy a new PDA you can transfer the software. Whereas if it was firmware you would have to start the hunt again. It is frustrating that they don't have a trial version. Although I think the asking cost is quite low for this type of software.
rgds
colonel said:
the other alternative is you find a hebrew firmware upgrade for the exec. There is one for the Typhoon, but not sure about the Universal.
rgds
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Any idea where can I find this hebrew firmware for the Typhoon?
Thanks!
I am also looking for a simple hebrew test support. My Brother lives in Israel ,and he got hold of version 5 of Eyron, and installed it on an MDA Vario (which I gave him for his b-Day) and he says it works but slows the system down.
I beleive that with Windows Mobile 2003 all you had to do is import the Hebrew Fonts...
So if anyone comes up with a solution I would much oblige
I shall also see If I can get hold of the Hebrew support my BRO is using, but the software is cracked so I am not sure I will be allowed to post that here. ????Moderator??
Yol said:
The thing is, i would like to try it befor i decide do pay money for it.
and i think 250NIS is too much for a rather simple feature (heberw keyboard, send/recieve hebrew sms/email and optional hebrew support for PIE), which i dont understand why Microsoft does not provide for free (like when you buy win XP for desktop pc).
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While this does appear like a simple feature to ask for, It implies that the Operating System (Or layered service) should inherently support bi-directional text display, as well as bi-directional Input.
BTW: AFAIK, starting from WM6 (OS 5.2.317 & up) the OS uses Unicode Fonts, so hebrew IS displayed without any third party software needed.
ChesWiz said:
While this does appear like a simple feature to ask for, It implies that the Operating System (Or layered service) should inherently support bi-directional text display, as well as bi-directional Input.
BTW: AFAIK, starting from WM6 (OS 5.2.317 & up) the OS uses Unicode Fonts, so hebrew IS displayed without any third party software needed.
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yeah, but it's displayed backwards - no bidi suport.
3rd party SIP do not work
Hello all,
when I install some 3rd party text input software - SIP (i.e. Decuma OnSpot Latin - probably the only one that allows to write special czech characters; or MathInput - special mathematics characters and greed alphabet; or NullKeyboard - does not allow to pop-up the keyboard while in landscape mode etc.) on clean freschly flashed ROM, it works well. But when I install later some software that I want (various today's plug-ins, calculators, dictionaries etc.) it stops working (Resco keyboard is the only one 3rd party SIP that works still well) and when I try to select any other, common white keyboard is shown instead. There is probably a conflict with some of the installed applications or there is some registry restriction but I am not so skillful to find out where the problem lies. I have tried this on various ROM versions (2.17 Q-tek, 2.21 CZ T-Mobile, 2.26 US T-Mobile) and the result is allways the same.
If anybody could be able to help to resolve this I would appreciate it.
Thank you.
(Do you want one of the two threads to be deleted? If yes, which one?)
This one, please.
Thank you.
technical question - why is it that whenever we have at least one third-party SIP installed in our devices, there will come a time that it would be difficult to change between SIPs, ie., the SIP just gets stuck in one type?
is this an OS-based problem (WM implementation), or is this just compatibility between the third-party SIPs, or between the third-party SIPs and the default ones...
as a background, i have both Block Recognizer, Transcriber, etc. (from XDA-DEV member Asukal), along with Fitaly, and TenGO installed in my Hermes. after a soft reset, i can easily switch between each of them, unfortunately, after some time has passed - i get stuck in either the default keyboard, Block Recognizer, or Fitaly/Tengo.
are there workarounds to this (of course, aside from always having to soft reset)...? some utility software, a program/script, etc.
thanks in advanced...
there seems to be problem when you have too many SIPs installed... Try removing transcriber first...
Zgembo said:
there seems to be problem when you have too many SIPs installed... Try removing transcriber first...
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*bummer*... which means that i have to do a hard reset.
my Block Recognizer, Transcriber, etc. were installed using Asukal's .CAB file....
anyway, i think that TenGo alone would suffice...
THIS THREAD WILL NOT BE UPDATED ANYMORE, FOR NEWS CHECK HERE
1. Displaying Japanese text
2. Japanese Advanced IME
3. SoftBank MMS
Fantastic job．I try it at once．
Oh wow... This is awesome stuff... Do you mean i can put the Softbank IME on my WWE ROM? I am just uninstalling my other Japanese enabling software so i can try it out right now (Even though its 2:30am and i have to work tomorrow...)
Perfect!
I now have my ultimate phone!
Ok well maybe if the battery would last a full day, but i am willing to accept that because now i have a proper Japanese input and access to Kaomoji
THANKYOU!
Edit: at 3am its hard to think straight and easy to get excited Any way to fix up the fact that the compact qwerty no longer works (only enters numerics, no alphabet), and proper T9 using the phonepad SIP? I assume thats the result of installing LetsJapan?
Also, are Emoji removed intentionally, or disabled for some reason?
Still very grateful by the way!
Please see the flinx1 thread for Japanese input for more information about the T9 bug:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=445550
It has to do with how LetsJapan sets all keyboards to 411 (Japanese), while T9 requires 409 (English) to work properly. You can revert the registry settings to 409+411 (see thread above), but you need to use the Ctrl+Shift shortcut to switch between keyboards (similar to Alt+Shift on Windows).
Emoji will require a special font, or HTML rendering provided by S!Mail. Are you perhaps referring to kaomoji? If so, kaomoji requires dictionaries to be updated/installed. Those will depend on what IME you're using: standard MS IME (LetsJapan), ATOK, WNN, or FSKAREN. I'm not sure which the Softbank SIP uses (usually ATOK or WNN), but only MS IME is free to distribute; the rest are commercial products and it would not be okay to redistribute them.
The files above included the kaomoji so thats pretty cool, but the emoji (bitmap smileys) are not enabled. But i am pretty sure you are correct about it requiring HTML rendering or something like that... Probably if the SB MMS cab was installed it could be used, but then i couldnt use MMS here in Australia anymore.
Edit: Tried some of the registry suggestions in that thread (not that any of them were very clearly described), and nothing enables the T9/Compact qwerty keyboard again. As an FYI, prior to installing this IME, i was using flinkx1's cabs; installed directly without any other changes, and i had the same problem. I then uninstalled everything before trying this solution
Hate to sound like a noob (ok well i am), but is there any way to keep the original Touch T9 + Compact Qwerty functionality as well as the Keytouch SIP?
Yeah; Japanese phones use a basic HTML renderer to display emoji in their MMS (with the emoji images cached on the phone). The previous solution was to use MMSLite which used a special dingbats font and (afaik) would parse the HTML in the MMS and return text that used the dingbats. Crude but effective, although the emoji font was of course only black&white.
S!Mail should provide proper image-based emoji, but you may be right that it might not work with existing MMS services. Then again, it's possible S!Mail simply runs as a separate program/process and does not change existing MMS settings. But I have no firsthand experience so hopefully someone else can provide more information.
Getting T9+JPIME to work together is going to be difficult and will probably be different from person to person, because not everyone will be using the same kinds of SIPs and the registry settings might differ. However, I looked at the Keytouch CAB and there are a couple keys that are overwriting other settings that might cause T9 to become disabled:
HKCU\ControlPanel\Sip
DefaultIm = {9BBD6249-34B4-4cfe-934A-1F0607FB1D5C} sets Keytouch as default SIP
Use {62B00599-25D2-4e09-8C48-03BF26DB8517} for Compact QWERTY
HKCU\keyboard layout\Preload
@ = e0010411 sets JP as the default input method
Use e0010409 for English/T9; You may also need to change or switch the settings in Preload\1 and Preload\2 accordingly.
There are also some settings in HKLM, although I think changing them will cause Keytouch to not work. Of course, it's also possible that using Keytouch will disable T9 regardless of the settings, so there's no way to know for sure if T9+JPIME is possible until people do some further testing.
I thought I had responded already... Anyway, I do know that on the Softbank 705NK (AKA Nokia N73), S!Mail is implemented as regular MMS. Emoji are displayed as part of the font, and it is possible to enable Emoji in all areas of the phone with a bit of a tweak. My 705NK was sim-unlocked, and I was able to use MMS here in Australia just by setting the MMS server details
So I suspect the X04HT S!Mail client can also be used here; but only if you have access to the server settings
Now, I tried setting the region coding settings, but as expected, this broke the TouchKey SIP (well the SIP worked, but it couldn’t insert the Japanese characters into the message). Now I have another idea... If I install TouchPal SIP will that work together with TouchKey? I hear that TouchPal is supposed to be an amazingly good input system anyway...
Edit: This seems to be the solution. Touchpal works fine with Japanese region settings, and its arguably a better keyboard anyway...
fhsieh said:
Please see the flinx1 thread for Japanese input for more information about the T9 bug:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=445550
It has to do with how LetsJapan sets all keyboards to 411 (Japanese), while T9 requires 409 (English) to work properly. You can revert the registry settings to 409+411 (see thread above), but you need to use the Ctrl+Shift shortcut to switch between keyboards (similar to Alt+Shift on Windows).
Emoji will require a special font, or HTML rendering provided by S!Mail. Are you perhaps referring to kaomoji? If so, kaomoji requires dictionaries to be updated/installed. Those will depend on what IME you're using: standard MS IME (LetsJapan), ATOK, WNN, or FSKAREN. I'm not sure which the Softbank SIP uses (usually ATOK or WNN), but only MS IME is free to distribute; the rest are commercial products and it would not be okay to redistribute them.
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The problem with the flinx1 package is that while it works for displaying Japanese it does not always work with getting the IME installed correctly. I tend to change roms almost daily but I keep my flinx pack in my nand memory so I can just reinstall at a whim.
Problem is, you can't use the flinx package with the default qwerty input from HTC. You must install a separate IME. I have been using spb keyboard as it has a quick switch to Japanese. But for some reason, as of late, I have been unable to get Japanese input working with spb keyboard without going in to the full screen keyboard option. Of course zgembo's isn't offering IME with the qwerty input but it is offering a reliable input method; something I have been without for far too long.
When I finish at work, I will give zgembo's a shot. Looks like big shoes to fill. I also need to get my Softbank MMS working. I have set up a gmail account with smtp but it's a pain when you mail to phones and they are set up to block internet mail. I would love to go back to my @softbank.ne.jp account.
@zgembo
I am staying tuned, bud. I have set up my mail correctly before by following an fc2 blog but I noticed that after a few messages or if the message has emoji or an attachment, I get the evil "unable to decode header" error. What app will you base the work on? MMS Lite, arcsoft, other, self created?
hate to nitpick
if possible, would you be able to edit your first post and change X04HT and X05HT to 'X05HT and X04HT'? Just so that it's parallel with the line before it (Raphael and Diamond phones).
Kev, do you have the SB ROM on your TD? Do you have access to the MMS settings like on the WWE versions (Servers etc?)
The IME put up by ZGembo is awesome. I am already typing Japanese quicker than i was on my 705NK, and Kaomoji is a nice bonus. English is a bit more difficult than a normal Phonepad input system, but its *exactly* the same as normal Japanese keitai's with the benefit of word prediction (the bit that is the same is that each letter doesnt 'time out' so if you want to type "back" you press 2 twice, then right d-pad or a long press of the 'キャッチ' button to move on so you can press 2 once for 'a' and then again so you can press it 3 times for 'c').
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Kev, do you have the SB ROM on your TD? Do you have access to the MMS settings like on the WWE versions (Servers etc?)
The IME put up by ZGembo is awesome. I am already typing Japanese quicker than i was on my 705NK, and Kaomoji is a nice bonus. English is a bit more difficult than a normal Phonepad input system, but its *exactly* the same as normal Japanese keitai's with the benefit of word prediction (the bit that is the same is that each letter doesnt 'time out' so if you want to type "back" you press 2 twice, then right d-pad or a long press of the 'キャッチ' button to move on so you can press 2 once for 'a' and then again so you can press it 3 times for 'c').
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Dom,
I currently have ITJE's TouchIT on my Diamond. It's a really nice rom. I got S!Mail working on WWE before but it was such a hassle I gave up. I just got home now and am in the process of uninstalling what's on my device now and uploading both of zgembo's files to rapidshare. I will PM it to zgembo and it will be up to him/her to post it.
I want to give the gesture entry a try for JP input. Can you use the same SIP for both IMEs?
I noticed that the letsjapan screws up the date in TF3D on the home screen (top left). I assume this is because the WWE rom lacks the japanese TF3D files. If you change your region to English (USA; or other English) your date will be fixed and magically the JP input still works great with prediction.
Zgembo, all your work finally paid off! Nice job!
Zgembo said:
2. Japanese Advanced IME
This is a new thing. It enables word prediction input in both English and Japanese, and unlike traditional WM5 & WM6 Japanese IME engines, SoftBank introduced this third party IME (Omron mobile wnn v2?) and integrated into its newer ROMs. After installation, KeyTouch IME will become default. It only works in portrait mode, and in the case of landscape mode, IME will change to classic romaji or kana input. Kensaku and Tegaki IMEs are included. Also, settings for Japanese keyboard layout are in this CAB, so if you are using some different layout, you are on your own (there are plenty of posts around which explain how to change this). This CAB is only for VGA (480x640) devices (Planning to make QVGA version too, stay tuned)
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Doesn't this violate their copyright? it's not supposed to redistribute itself nor is a default Japanese IME for Windows Mobile from Microsoft. but Softbank just paid money to Omron to ship it in their product. it's a kind of a proprietary software.
Kevbodian said:
I noticed that the letsjapan screws up the date in TF3D on the home screen (top left). I assume this is because the WWE rom lacks the japanese TF3D files. If you change your region to English (USA; or other English) your date will be fixed and magically the JP input still works great with prediction.
Zgembo, all your work finally paid off! Nice job!
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Messes up how? (screenshot?)
All the WWE ROMs I've used come with MUIs for all languages (including Japanese). My guess is that LetsJapan is modifying the LCIDs (HKLM\nls) so that any non-ANSI Japanese programs can default to the corresponding codepage. TF3D will change accordingly, usually to 2009年02月18日 format (but that isn't exactly "screwed up"). You can of course customize regional settings (Settings > System > Regional > Date), and switch to English/西暦(英語) in order to change date localization back to English (for TF3D and other apps) while still keeping the device on the Japanese LCID/codepage.
Of course, I certainly haven't used every ROM so it's possible some chefs have removed all non-English TF3D MUIs, but you can't really blame that on LetsJapan.
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Messes up how? (screenshot?)
All the WWE ROMs I've used come with MUIs for all languages (including Japanese). My guess is that LetsJapan is modifying the LCIDs (HKLM\nls) so that any non-ANSI Japanese programs can default to the corresponding codepage. TF3D will change accordingly, usually to 2009年02月18日 format (but that isn't exactly "screwed up"). You can of course customize regional settings (Settings > System > Regional > Date), and switch to English/西暦(英語) in order to change date localization back to English (for TF3D and other apps) while still keeping the device on the Japanese LCID/codepage.
Of course, I certainly haven't used every ROM so it's possible some chefs have removed all non-English TF3D MUIs, but you can't really blame that on LetsJapan.
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Well, let's see. Flinx's pack doesnt do anything to the date display on the home tab of TF3D whereas every version of Lets I have tried, does. Flinx released a compatibility patch that is optional for his pack; once installed, it does the same thing to the date.
The thing that was happening to my date is like this:
Instead of saying: Feb 18, 2009, it would just change to 2 18, 2009. Again, this was easily fixed by going back to the English USA region. I did not claim that letsjapan screwed up anything that wasn't easily fixable by touching the screen a few times in the right places, nor was my remark about "nice job" in any kind of sarcastic tone. I wouldn't say I was placing blame anywhere.
As for the date thing... it's happened to me in every single WWE rom that I have tried installing LetsJapan on to. Again, this is fixed by changing the region or by installing TF3D tweak and setting the TF3D to japanese language altogether.
I have part 1 and 2 of zgembo's first post installed and all I can say is... fantastic.
The LCID keys that are included in the LetsJapan packs and in the optional flinx1 compatability patch are what cause TF3D (and any other app that relies on Regional Settings) to change the date format. It's a side effect, to be sure, and it will happen with all WWE roms, but it's not because LetsJapan (or the patch) are specifically affecting TF3D, nor is it because TF3D is missing 0411 MUIs.
I guess it's a choice of words; when you originally said "screws up the date in TF3D", I had imagined the date was somehow corrupted or illegible, and not simply a format change according to the LCIDs (which is normal).
At any rate it's amazing that WM, any windows for any system, is where it is now (just about 6.5) and IME is still such a pain in the ass. Why can't an OS just support this stuff without having to tweak so many little nooks and crannies. I just love the way the SIP that comes with our diamonds is simply incompatible with more than one IME.
Hi, I am new to all these stuff...
Is it possible to do with HTC S740 notouch model?
HTC: http://www.htc.com/europe/product/s740/overview.html
I wan enable Japanese read/write both Land/Potrait mode and how to turn on and off IME?
And also Softbank SMS/MMS
if some one can provide me the steps since I am newbei...
Thanks in advance
Thanks in advance
does anyone can help for my x05ht (Japanese keyboard)
Hi there.
I'm using x05ht which I bought cell phone in Japan.
so my x05ht keyborad layout is difficult to US Model.
and I was trying to search how to fix it in this forum.
then I found this thread.
I'm using EnergyRom1.6 Latest. then I tried to install
some software following step.
1.install the Rom
2.LetsJapanWM61r07.cab
3.KeyTouchJapIMEr07.cab
then I can type Japanese, and read Japanese.
But keyborad still doesn't work well.
which part should I edit (about reg or something relavent part.)?
I'm not sure, but when I using At0mAng Rom it works fine about keyborad.
especially now, function and some buttom isn't work.
when I push the fn button, then running calender. I also tried search any
thread about this problem. but usually I can't find the way to fix completely.
Best regards.
I was reading today about the MMS settings and it seems there are some registry hacks needed as well as a neat little browser called wasabi for enabling the yahoo keitai page.
Attached is said browser. Please note I am not the creator of this software and I found it at this link: url. I have not, as of yet, tried it either, so don't blame me if it doesn't work as I currently know only what I have skimmed on the above link.