Hi all,
It is for quite some time now that i am looking for a hebrew localization pack for my Universal and apparently there is no cheep solution for that. (well there is a 130$ one but it is too expensive for me...) .
I've searched the net for a cheep solution but it seems that all software companies that develop these kind of localization do not know all about Hebrew and thus i get a software that write in mirror like way and some more little things (like no hebrew Email/sms support, no hebrew on PIE etc...).
all i want is to be able to send/recieve emails/sms and have the hebrew keboard layout (in addition to the english one) so that i can write documents or sms/emails (PIE is less important to me ) - in the right hebrew direction (right to left).
I am looking for someone able to give me some guidelines on how to start this project of hebrew localization - if i will finnish this, i will share it freely. i look for no profit.
thank you all who can help me.
hebrew
best solution: http://www.eyron.net/
(1 week try for free).
works perfect with my qtek 9000
even cheaper:
http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=5498
you might also try: P.D.A.C. which also has Hebrew for mobile devices (the site is: http://www.wince.co.il/). BTW - I bought it for approx. 230-50 shekels (shop was cheaper than the site!)
Although I have to add that I actually had it installed by Handy (mobile devices shop in Tel Aviv) - who are pretty experienced with Hebrew on mobile devices, but it didn't work well (mirror hebrew, IMEI # disappeared...), when I had to reinstall it after a Hard Reset of my device - so eventually I got a refund.
I am told that Eyron works much the same way (i.e. there is no real difference between the two), but the PDAC support team are considered more responsive; which I experienced 1st hand: when I tried to install the eyron trial, I wanted to ask them a couple of technical questions - I did so in a couple of emails - but NEVER received any reply back.
bottom line is I have no definitive answer as to which prog. to use. Another factor may be th ROM you use on the device. After I update mine I'll attempt this again... write here if you have any new info.
well,
Thank you Magicuser and techdot,
I did try Eyron's UI but it took me too many hardresets and i also had to speak to their support by phone untill they found a version that worked on my XDA EXEC. bottom line - they are too expensive and the software made my device slower...
I also have been in contact with PDAC but they do not have an evaluation software, their reply to me said that if i wish i can come to their offices, have them install their software on my device but soon as i leave they would hardreset (!!!) my device to get it all off....personaly i'm against this as i think i should have the possibility to evaluate before i buy.
I did make a mistake with Ectaco language support - i bought it befor i evaluated it properly and now i have problems with them - the hebrew keyboard dont seem to load up, i have no hebrew on sms/emails (send or recieve) and i also have no hebrew on PIE...
this why i am looking for my own solution for a minimal hebrew support (keyboard, sms/emai send/recieve, PIE - in good and not mirrorized right to left way)...
I bought the PDAC solution for my MioA201 (WM5) and it works very well, although it has an over complex security installation routine.
I have not tried it on the Exec. If you tell PDAC what PDA you have and ask them if they would refund if it doesn't work. I am sure they would respond +vely to this
rgds
The thing is, i would like to try it befor i decide do pay money for it.
and i think 250NIS is too much for a rather simple feature (heberw keyboard, send/recieve hebrew sms/email and optional hebrew support for PIE), which i dont understand why Microsoft does not provide for free (like when you buy win XP for desktop pc).
the other alternative is you find a hebrew firmware upgrade for the exec. There is one for the Typhoon, but not sure about the Universal. Cellcom support HTC products and they might have a hebrew firmware so you should call them, but I have not heard about it. Its all a case of supply and demand, there is probably not a critical mass of Universal users in Israel for HTC to bother. I know there is a critical mass for the Typhoon and Hebrew firmware is available.
The useful thing about PDAC is that if you buy a new PDA you can transfer the software. Whereas if it was firmware you would have to start the hunt again. It is frustrating that they don't have a trial version. Although I think the asking cost is quite low for this type of software.
rgds
colonel said:
the other alternative is you find a hebrew firmware upgrade for the exec. There is one for the Typhoon, but not sure about the Universal.
rgds
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Any idea where can I find this hebrew firmware for the Typhoon?
Thanks!
I am also looking for a simple hebrew test support. My Brother lives in Israel ,and he got hold of version 5 of Eyron, and installed it on an MDA Vario (which I gave him for his b-Day) and he says it works but slows the system down.
I beleive that with Windows Mobile 2003 all you had to do is import the Hebrew Fonts...
So if anyone comes up with a solution I would much oblige
I shall also see If I can get hold of the Hebrew support my BRO is using, but the software is cracked so I am not sure I will be allowed to post that here. ????Moderator??
Yol said:
The thing is, i would like to try it befor i decide do pay money for it.
and i think 250NIS is too much for a rather simple feature (heberw keyboard, send/recieve hebrew sms/email and optional hebrew support for PIE), which i dont understand why Microsoft does not provide for free (like when you buy win XP for desktop pc).
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While this does appear like a simple feature to ask for, It implies that the Operating System (Or layered service) should inherently support bi-directional text display, as well as bi-directional Input.
BTW: AFAIK, starting from WM6 (OS 5.2.317 & up) the OS uses Unicode Fonts, so hebrew IS displayed without any third party software needed.
ChesWiz said:
While this does appear like a simple feature to ask for, It implies that the Operating System (Or layered service) should inherently support bi-directional text display, as well as bi-directional Input.
BTW: AFAIK, starting from WM6 (OS 5.2.317 & up) the OS uses Unicode Fonts, so hebrew IS displayed without any third party software needed.
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yeah, but it's displayed backwards - no bidi suport.
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Hi all,
It is for quite some time now that i am looking for a hebrew localization pack for my Universal and apparently there is no cheep solution for that. (well there is a 130$ one but it is too expensive for me...) .
I've searched the net for a cheep solution but it seems that all software companies that develop these kind of localization do not know all about Hebrew and thus i get a software that write in mirror like way and some more little things (like no hebrew Email/sms support, no hebrew on PIE etc...).
all i want is to be able to send/recieve emails/sms and have the hebrew keboard layout (in addition to the english one) so that i can write documents or sms/emails (PIE is less important to me ) - in the right hebrew direction (right to left).
I am looking for someone able to give me some guidelines on how to start this project of hebrew localization - if i will finnish this, i will share it freely. i look for no profit.
thank you all who can help me.
Hi Yol!
As I understand it Hebrew is a 'right to left' language, a functionality which Windows Mobile does not support. (unlike it's big brother where it is built in).
Now it's a noble idea you have to create a free version, but I suspect there is a reason software companies charge as much as they do without going out of business.
Basically, any localization has 3 parts:
1) keyboard - that's relatively easy. It's just a DLL that implements a COM object. There is an article on this at www.pocketpcdn.com with code sample. Look under 'SIP' (Software Input Panel).
2) The interface or MUI's - these are DLL's that contain the interface resources in your language. You can create those from a ROM dump using Visual Studio or any other resource editor. Search for Asukal's posts on this forum, he is an expert at this.
3) This is the tricky part - for a language that works right to left you need to reverse the system input and output of text somehow. This is something beyond my level of programming sorry.
Well hope that starts you off. By the way do you have much experience in programing? This sounds like a really ambitious undertaking. 8)
Good luck!
hebrew for qtek
www.eyron.net
works perfect with my qtek 9000
Dear developer people,
I would be happy to translate strings of any software into Hebrew so as to make the software friendlier for Israeli people
I have a Universal with WM6 ROMS (which I change when something nice comes out).
Contact me, I'm happy to assist!
--Summoner
I think there would be a problem with text direction for many programs (many programs are made only considering left-to-right text)... it probably would not be a problem for something where there is fixed text but anything with input to display would have trouble without right-to-left support...
Hey WandrerX,
Firstly, there is RTL support via 3 solutions for the OS which can be purchased.
Addiotionally - just by installing a hebrew font it is possible to show hebrew on the screen (I use cour.ttf in my windows directory).
I am offering to translate and debug all the strings so applications can have a hebrew interface, thus making them more popular in Israel.
No-body interested?
--summoner
Hi,
I want to try out implementing a bidi engine for WM6 or perhaps adapt fribidi for that purpose. I've never programmed for windows mobile before, in fact I just got my first windows mobile device a few days ago (an orbit2 with german rom).
I got totally frustrated with the current supply of available hebrew solutions. They are too expensive, they are slow and buggy (each with its own pitfalls), they don't support my german rom (which I'm perfectly happy with), and contain features I don't need nor want.
Overwriting the *.ttf files in the \windows directory with their respective versions from XP or Vista gives me the glyphs, so I can see the letters, but, of course, they are in reverse order. Input can be achieved with PCM or Resco keyboards so that's covered. Only thing left is displaying right-to-left correctly. Achieving this, in a more or less language-independant way (and needless to say, making the solution available to everyone for FREE) would make me, and at least a few (thousands?) more people much happier. And as an added bonus, it might cause eyron/pdac/<your favorite greedy language solution provider> go bankrupt.
Anyway, I've been babbling way too much here. So bottom line:
Could any experienced WM developer point me in the right direction as in which part of the OS is responsible for this?
Is this undertaking too ambitious and I should give up before even trying?
Anyway, meanwhile I started doing some research and exploring the APIs.
Wish me luck
Cheers
Good luck in your project, will be nice to have something that you mentioned.
I am from israel and I really need heb support, tried all the current solutions and they seem to be really crappy... Slow the system alot too.
Ok i give up. I have searched for a solution on how to add other languages to picsel browser (other than english) but can't find anything. someone posted he found a way to use hebrew but it's not even close to working.
i also emailed the picsel management team and they told me there aren't any language packs available for the program.
also, adding fonts to the fonts folder doesn't help... only for specific webpages.
PDF's and other webpages are jibbrish.
now as this is a development section.. i'm sure that Picsel would be thankful moneywise to anyone who developes language packs for them... so maybe someone should... i of course... will buy the language pack (if it supports hebrew ) from whoever creates it.
Thank you.
I gave up long ago...
But I will tell what little information I know pertaining to this:
The Palm version of Picsel does have language packs (the one I saw was for Chinese/Japanese), but I was not able to make it work with the PPC version.
Some years ago, there is (or was) a version of Picsel made for Japanese use, but I have never been able to find this. It was preinstalled on Musea PocketPCs from the Japanese mobile provider Docomo. Some screenshots are attached.
I find it unlikely that it is impossible to select different language packs for Picsel browser because it does have the option. However, I believe Picsel is pretty much an abandoned project, so it could prove impossible to make these language packs.
Perhaps I am just pessimistic.
the selection of encoding doesn't mean much eventually... and from what i know.. picsel are working full time.. they're implementing the browser and other software into company PPC's as a built in browser instead of internet explorer... some hightech companies in israel are using it.
japanese/chinese wouldn't help me but thanks
where does it have the option?
There are a few morse keyboards out there but nothing I can find for Windows mobile.
I’m hoping that someone special can provide some input into developing a dit dah SIP for WM. I’m also hoping that there are enough people out there who would be willing to donate to this project / developer. I certainly would.
There are some existing apps for other platforms:
iditdahtext for the iphone
http://iditdahtext.com/iDitDahText.html
I believe this uses multitouch technology; not something that would be available/required on WM. I believe the developer has no plans to port this to WM
I have also found a reference to an Android app
http://simoncook.org/blog/2010/04/random-morse-code-keyboard/
Other XDA references:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583903
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=799217
The closest thing I’ve found for WM is MorseSMSer. This is not a SIP but simply an SMS client.
http://rapidshare.com/files/116167287/MorseSMSer.zip
I believe the development of this app has ceased.
Also just found for WM
http://utilaplic.webs.com/
Please don’t reply with question like “why would you want that?” People want things for different reasons – be cool and accept it
Thanks
WM Morse keyboard
Reserved for me!
I had a app that converted any text to morse i will look to see if I still have that app later but your idear sounds great
Dude that keyboard looks awesome. I hope you will find the devs.
anywhere else
Anybody know anywhere else I can make this request?
well... do you want a real SIP or just an application can be ok for you ?
by the way, what do you intend to do with your text, just sending SMS, MMS,... ?
morse kb vs sms
Hi Corwin9s
I was really looking for a real SIP so that it can be used in all applications (SMS, Word etc) but I guess I would mainly use it for SMS
MorseSMSer does work but it crashes if the focus isn't in the right place (e.g. after deleting a letter). I contacted the developer who advised that development had ceased. I offered to buy the source but I didn't hear from him again.
I've had a play with the android Morse keyboard on an emulator and I think it's brilliant. Although it does imply that “word suggestion” is available but I can't get it to work. I would really like word suggestion. This may seem silly when using Morse input but however I input the text my spelling is still awful. (This is typed out in word!)
I guess that I would at least want an SMS client that didn't crash.
- / .... / .- / -. / -.- / ...
£ $ €
Can anyone help with suggestions of where to turn to for a SIP or SMS client
£ $ € on offer for a solution.
Thanks.
WM Morse keyboard - font
While looking for a font for my favorite today clock (PocketDigitalClock),
I found "Radios in Motion" font. It comes in an easy type that contains the letter it represents.
http://www.1001fonts.com/font_details.html?font_id=1184
I have used it in Word Mobile , but be carefull where you place this file.
I keep it on the sd card\My Documents. If you place it in the device folders, you may end up with this font in things like comm manager..
I had to hard reset to correct that.
So backup before you copy this font to ppc.
Hope this helps.
font
Hey cac2us, not quite what I was looking for but thank you very much for taking the time.
Regards