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Jasjar new rom - kicks ass!

The subject says it all!!!
Now that's one worthwhile update really!
I'm just loving the directpush technology....its just amazing! I guess its goodbye RIM....wonder how bberry is going to differenciate....!
The battery life is phenomenal....a whole day of use with direct push enabled and gprs always on, my battery is down to just 53%.....mind blowing!
way to go!
Cheers,
San

I agree, Direct Push is pretty good and I've heard whispers in my company that we might be rolling it out in the near future.
however you said a day's worth of use brings it down to 53%.
This seems a bit heavy to be honest, I've had use of a blackberry for a few weeks and i'm pretty sure it didnt drain as fast as that.
Overall though I'm very happy with the new functionality.

numanoids said:
I agree, Direct Push is pretty good and I've heard whispers in my company that we might be rolling it out in the near future.
however you said a day's worth of use brings it down to 53%.
This seems a bit heavy to be honest, I've had use of a blackberry for a few weeks and i'm pretty sure it didnt drain as fast as that.
Overall though I'm very happy with the new functionality.
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I have a doubt about the push mail configuration. If you select to syncronize when "as items arrive" it asks for a for a delivery address information for the device, do you know which is this address? I suppose is related to sms, but I don't know and asked vodafone, they didn't know what to say.

I have a doubt about the push mail configuration. If you select to syncronize when "as items arrive" it asks for a for a delivery address information for the device, do you know which is this address? I suppose is related to sms, but I don't know and asked vodafone, they didn't know what to say.
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It sounds like you are talking about the old system - I.e. Where it required an sms address and then the servered sent you a hidden sms which your phone used as a trigger to sync with the server. (I never bothered trying to get that set up because I can't see the point in paying 10p for the sms + the data charge just to each email more tha every 5 minutes.
Direct push on the other-hand is supposed to work by your device creating a secure http connection to the server, which is kept open on both sides, but no data is sent until a message arrives at the exchange, at which point it is transmitted down this connection. This completely cuts out the sms.
I can't wait till O2 release a new rom with the direct push stuff - it may be worth going with the jasjar rom just to get it.
Cheers

siezear said:
I have a doubt about the push mail configuration. If you select to syncronize when "as items arrive" it asks for a for a delivery address information for the device, do you know which is this address? I suppose is related to sms, but I don't know and asked vodafone, they didn't know what to say.
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It sounds like you are talking about the old system - I.e. Where it required an sms address and then the servered sent you a hidden sms which your phone used as a trigger to sync with the server. (I never bothered trying to get that set up because I can't see the point in paying 10p for the sms + the data charge just to each email more tha every 5 minutes.
Direct push on the other-hand is supposed to work by your device creating a secure http connection to the server, which is kept open on both sides, but no data is sent until a message arrives at the exchange, at which point it is transmitted down this connection. This completely cuts out the sms.
I can't wait till O2 release a new rom with the direct push stuff - it may be worth going with the jasjar rom just to get it.
Cheers
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I'm sorry asking again about this question but in order to have clear idea, do you mind to put same mail address in the request of "delivery address" as you have for exchange?
thanks.

You do not put anything in for the address - this is for systems using pre SP2 push technology or systems that will not allow an incoming connection and wish to continue to use the AUTD (or auto up to date) system. This involves the exhange system sending an email to an address that then sends an SMS to your device - this then initiates the sync.
SP2 push, as stated before relies on a persistent HTTP(S) connection to the exchange server.
Try it without anything in the address field and see if it works - if not then check that the exchange system you are accessing has been set up to take advantage of the new push update technology.

Escuse my question but which ROM version are we talking about?

durius said:
Escuse my question but which ROM version are we talking about?
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1.30.76 ROM
1.09 Radio
For those of you whose mail servers dont have ms exchange, you can use a free trial with 4smartphone.net for 15 days and hook it up to any of your email accounts. Works like a charm! (thanks Carnivor for suggesting 4smartphone!)
Cheers!
San

dreamtheater39 said:
durius said:
Escuse my question but which ROM version are we talking about?
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1.30.76 ROM
1.09 Radio
For those of you whose mail servers dont have ms exchange, you can use a free trial with 4smartphone.net for 15 days and hook it up to any of your email accounts. Works like a charm! (thanks Carnivor for suggesting 4smartphone!)
Cheers!
San
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It's a good idea except for people like me that our corporate exchange has a rule that doesn't support to forward messages automatically outside. :evil:

does it mean the client device has to be always connected to the internet? (through any connections: GPRS. wifi, dial up). I thought it should work even its not connected sometimes?

The battery life is phenomenal....a whole day of use with direct push enabled and GPRS always on, my battery is down to just 53%.....mind blowing!
I experienced the opposite. Since mine upgraded, I have poor battery life. Not sure why. My device is now very fast. But battery life is decreased.
From 8 -12, only with phone and BT on, the battery drops to 50%.
I also noticed that the BT connection drops once in a while. So far I had about 5 times drop for thepast week.
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lie_ui said:
does it mean the client device has to be always connected to the internet? (through any connections: GPRS. wifi, dial up). I thought it should work even its not connected sometimes?
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Yes, you have to be connected to the internet in some manner for it to work. However, when you use GPRS to stay connected, it doesnt drain your battery to the magnitude you'd expect. Thats because MS has implemented a new way of sending out data, and the battery drains only when it does heavy transfer (which is not the case). Also, a whole day of usage has costed me just 180KB for heartbeat only (i subtracted the mail sizes approximately...)
Its an excellent solution in my regard! I sent a few test mails from my laptop, and i was astonished to see them arrive within 5-10 seconds after the mail was sent! I guess its flawless
Cheers!
San

i have found the direct push a charm, i am using about 1mb per day. battery drain is no worse. i normally get the email on my pda before outlook picks the mail up
Paul

Is there any documentation about the Push email technollogy? Manual? do i need to have a exchange server in order to be able to use Push mail, or can it be done using my proviser's email server?
regards
Arjan :arrow:

Push e-mail wake up question

Finally have push e-mail working (well) on my K-Jam. Problem is, everytime i get an e-mail, it wakes the device up and turns on the screen. Is there any way to turn that off? I've deactivated PhoneAlarm and checked all of the settings in Sounds and Notifications. I'm using the standard K-Jam ROM.
Any thoughts?

I agree also what about setting push to use wifi as a preference?

MrDva said:
I agree also what about setting push to use wifi as a preference?
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Don't use Wi-Fi during the day

well....as you read on your post at howard forums, it sounds like you aren't actually using push e-mail, sounds more like AUTD as MS has specifically said this was NOT part of the ROM. so unless it's phone alarm doing this, u are using AUTD.

darkjedi said:
well....as you read on your post at howard forums, it sounds like you aren't actually using push e-mail, sounds more like AUTD as MS has specifically said this was NOT part of the ROM. so unless it's phone alarm doing this, u are using AUTD.
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S**T!. When it started working, i assumed that it was push, not AUTD. But i've been charged for almost 500 text messages. Can you use "when item arrives" with Push? No matter what I do, if I select "when item arrives" it forces me to enter an address. I'm using the latest K-Jam Rom.

you are using AUTD because the exchange server either does NOT have sp2 installed for 2003, OR does not have push e-mail enabled. the reason the device comes on is because it's shown as an SMS.

I'm going to chekc when i'm back in the office tomorrow. There is one other guy with an 8125 and his is working fine.

darkjedi said:
you are using AUTD because the exchange server either does NOT have sp2 installed for 2003, OR does not have push e-mail enabled. the reason the device comes on is because it's shown as an SMS.
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Now i'm set to sync every 5 minutes and it works. There is NO email address configured? Why is that working?

spartanrob said:
darkjedi said:
you are using AUTD because the exchange server either does NOT have sp2 installed for 2003, OR does not have push e-mail enabled. the reason the device comes on is because it's shown as an SMS.
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Now i'm set to sync every 5 minutes and it works. There is NO email address configured? Why is that working?
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My guess is that when you configure to sync every XX minutes, you are not using the push feature but rather initiating a sync from the device. This would wake the device up to do the sync and thus allow the vibrate to com through.

matchtrader said:
spartanrob said:
darkjedi said:
you are using AUTD because the exchange server either does NOT have sp2 installed for 2003, OR does not have push e-mail enabled. the reason the device comes on is because it's shown as an SMS.
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Now i'm set to sync every 5 minutes and it works. There is NO email address configured? Why is that working?
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My guess is that when you configure to sync every XX minutes, you are not using the push feature but rather initiating a sync from the device. This would wake the device up to do the sync and thus allow the vibrate to com through.
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But, when I do this (set to xx minutes) the device does not wake up, email still arrives, but the device stays off.

Automatic send/receive pop3 email not working

My Vario II is set to automatically do a send/receive to check my pop3 email account every 15 mins. This was working fine but suddenly has stopped and no longer checks automatically. I have checked all the settings and they all seem to be correct. It may or may not be linked but I have also been having difficulty getting active sync to work recently. Any ideas?
Thanks
Michael
P.S. I should add that if I manually select send/receive then it works fine, it just won't do it automatically.

I take it you're running WM5. There is an option to do it, but it sounds like you already have it set.
Oh, check your roaming settings. The phone may think you're roaming, on WM6, there's a checkbox under the mailbox settings to download mail even when roaming. I don't have a WM5 to refer to in order to tell you exactly where the setting is.
I must add my related problem to yours, I hope you don't mind. The option doesn't seem to exist at all with WM6. Has anyone been able to set the pop mail to download automatically?

Yes it's WM5. I checked and can't find that anywhere in the menus. All I can think off is that i've installed something then removed the programme and somehow it's changed a setting. Looks like a hard reset is on the cards unless anyone else can help.

MG1999 said:
Yes it's WM5. I checked and can't find that anywhere in the menus. All I can think off is that i've installed something then removed the programme and somehow it's changed a setting. Looks like a hard reset is on the cards unless anyone else can help.
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You didn't do the "Fake server trick" did you? That sets your Active sync connection to manual. What kind of problems were you having with AS?
Mike

I don't think so, or at least I haven't done that intentionally. Basically active sync won't connect at all anymore to my PC. It's all very frustrating!

MG1999 said:
I don't think so, or at least I haven't done that intentionally. Basically active sync won't connect at all anymore to my PC. It's all very frustrating!
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time to hard-reset

MG1999 said:
My Vario II is set to automatically do a send/receive to check my pop3 email account every 15 mins. This was working fine but suddenly has stopped and no longer checks automatically. I have checked all the settings and they all seem to be correct. It may or may not be linked but I have also been having difficulty getting active sync to work recently. Any ideas?
Thanks
Michael
P.S. I should add that if I manually select send/receive then it works fine, it just won't do it automatically.
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Have you found a solution? We are having similar problems on the new Kaiser:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=332362

It sounds like an issue I had. If you are pressing the power button to stand-by the device it will not check your emails automatically for you. This is something that has been fixed in WM6.
To get around this add the "device lock" today screen item and use that instead of stand-by-ing your device.

Thanks. The Kaiser is a WM6, so it may not have been fixed....I will try the device-lock-then-let-it-go-into-standby-by-itself trick to see if this works...

ringy2 said:
Thanks....I will try the device-lock-then-let-it-go-into-standby-by-itself trick to see if this works...
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I can confirm this works!

E-mail direct push and setup !

Hi there everyone
I have this issue setting up my Leo for the direct push.
The good news is ,I did setup the hotmail account as well the outlook for the "as it arrive " for the direct push and I found it that amazingly the hotmail arrive to my phone like in a fraction of a second "super fast" and that the outlook take a little while " I'm not complaining as long as it arrive" the only thing that it only push e-mails when I'm on the Wi-Fi connection.
However, when I try switching off the Wi-Fi no Push?!...... So what went wrong?, any ides, or anyone have better solution. Though when I do "physically" ActiveSync the outlook do receive the new e-mails. It looks like the phone doesn't sense the new e-mail.
Other thing dose anyone know how to receive push e-mails as well from Gmail and yahoo??
Thanks a lot

any help plz guys

I am interested in this too, my Gmail syncs fine. But Hotmail only works if i manually sync it when on 3G. It's greyed out in the email accounts section so i can't alter the settings.
The email setup is a bit of a black art to me on here. Maybe i should read the 310 page PDF manual.

stratplayer said:
I am interested in this too, my Gmail syncs fine. But Hotmail only works if i manually sync it when on 3G. It's greyed out in the email accounts section so i can't alter the settings.
The email setup is a bit of a black art to me on here. Maybe i should read the 310 page PDF manual.
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The thing that I found a round-over solution for it by using a 3rd part application "Seven or emozeMail" to add ur e-mail account and it will do the trick for you!
However, this is not a really push serve from WM, I was looking for something without the use of the 3rd party app. Again, the hotmail as well the outlook do push when it is only on Wi-Fi!!! But not in the SIM net connection
By the way how did you set ur Gmail to act as push e-mail?
Best luck

no answer!!!

up...up...up i really need helop!!!

Stupid question - you do have Direct Push on under comm manager I guess?
have you tried turning it off rebooting then back on again

Have you tried performing the intial setup/sync over 3G and not Wifi?

I just set mine up using 3G and did nothing special and it syncs using 3G fine from Hotmail.
I didn't do anything special, so can't tell you how to magically sort it. Sorry.

waynepyrah said:
Stupid question - you do have Direct Push on under comm manager I guess?
have you tried turning it off rebooting then back on again
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no need to be sassy about it !
However, did that befor didn't help at all

profahmad said:
Have you tried performing the intial setup/sync over 3G and not Wifi?
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hummm...never tried this...i will try and come back withthe feedback to you
by the way i did Syn through USB

profahmad said:
Have you tried performing the intial setup/sync over 3G and not Wifi?
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stratplayer said:
I just set mine up using 3G and did nothing special and it syncs using 3G fine from Hotmail.
I didn't do anything special, so can't tell you how to magically sort it. Sorry.
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i did try what you guys suggeste ...and it look like that did work!
but another issue came out....the phone when it connecte through the SIM net connetcion ...it never turn off...and even when i try to turne it off manually ..it comes back to re-connect ...it keep doing this till i kill the connection with NoData app...any suggestion?

osash2000 said:
i did try what you guys suggeste ...and it look like that did work!
but another issue came out....the phone when it connecte through the SIM net connetcion ...it never turn off...and even when i try to turne it off manually ..it comes back to re-connect ...it keep doing this till i kill the connection with NoData app...any suggestion?
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If you want 'push' e-mail then it'll have to maintain a connection - either 3G or Wifi. It won't connect when an e-mail is received then disconnect once it's downloaded, it requires a constant connection for the device to receive the e-mail immediately

profahmad said:
If you want 'push' e-mail then it'll have to maintain a connection - either 3G or Wifi. It won't connect when an e-mail is received then disconnect once it's downloaded, it requires a constant connection for the device to receive the e-mail immediately
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I understand form what u said that I need to be connected all the time!
That I will be very costly …it looks like if I put the sync on scheduled connection would be better. Any ideas how some1 can came this thing!?
thankx again for ur help

osash2000 said:
That I will be very costly …it looks like if I put the sync on scheduled connection would be better. Any ideas how some1 can came this thing!?
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It's best not to use push e-mail unless you have an unlimited data plan! I'm not sure what you're asking: do you want to know how to set up an sync schedule? In the Windows Live options you can specify a 'sync sechdule' frequency, anywhere from every 15 minutes to four hours. You can do the same for an exchange/activesync account.

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It's best not to use push e-mail unless you have an unlimited data plan! I'm not sure what you're asking: do you want to know how to set up an sync schedule? In the Windows Live options you can specify a 'sync sechdule' frequency, anywhere from every 15 minutes to four hours. You can do the same for an exchange/activesync account.
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thankx alot for ur help. what i was trying to say that when i compare better the two methods ( the Data connection Vs Sechdule one) for me the data connection will be very costly !..what i was thinking of that if there is like a way to disconnecte the Data after it have pushed the e-mail

Actually, push won't increase your data usage. it may well decrease it.

Good point actually, just being connected won't cost anything without data transfer. Cheaper than repeatedly refreshing your inbox.

profahmad said:
Good point actually, just being connected won't cost anything without data transfer. Cheaper than repeatedly refreshing your inbox.
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letme get this right...if my LEO Data onnection (e.g 3G) it will cost me NOTHING till there is actually data exchange!

osash2000 said:
letme get this right...if my LEO Data onnection (e.g 3G) it will cost me NOTHING till there is actually data exchange!
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It should be so, that's why it's usually charged by the megabyte.

HTC HD2 and Gmail

ok, I've used the search button, found lots of stuff but not what I wanted or unclear. This is what I want: I want my mails from my gmail adress to be pushed to my HTC HD2. I want them to wake up the device and tell me, I have a mail ( like a text basically )
What do I do, what do I set up, I've tried turning on push, but it seems to be turning itself off or something, it doesn't look on when I go to the manager. If anybody can help me, that would be great. Ow, and we're talking 3G or edge, gprs, not wifi here.

RikfromBelgium said:
ok, I've used the search button, found lots of stuff but not what I wanted or unclear. This is what I want: I want my mails from my gmail adress to be pushed to my HTC HD2. I want them to wake up the device and tell me, I have a mail ( like a text basically )
What do I do, what do I set up, I've tried turning on push, but it seems to be turning itself off or something, it doesn't look on when I go to the manager. If anybody can help me, that would be great. Ow, and we're talking 3G or edge, gprs, not wifi here.
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There's no push feature that I know of, you set how ofter to check for new email, and in notifications you set how to let you know that you have new email.

There you are: http://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?answer=138636&topic=14299
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There's no push feature that I know of, you set how ofter to check for new email, and in notifications you set how to let you know that you have new email.
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Completely wrong.

kilrah is spot on, and it works extremely well. The only thing I would add is that it does add to battery drain, so I would disable it at night and other times it is not required. G-profile can be used for this. By the way, it will not work if you are connected to a computer using Activesync, and that computer does not allow connection to the internet (most work networks are set up this way).

so does this keep the internetconnection open all of the time, even when the phone is asleep? I suppose so?
I'm asking that because, when I put the settings on send and receive every 5 minutes, it appears as if the connection stays on after the first send and receive ( for instance, I check pxInternet and it has been connected for 40min ) and yeah, if that were to be the case, why not use push.
thx for the help so far, really, great and to the point.

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so does this keep the internetconnection open all of the time, even when the phone is asleep? I suppose so?
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Yes of course, otherwise the server would have no way to tell the phone there's something new for it. If you close the data connection in the connection manager it will warn you this also deactivates push.
I've found the idle data usage and battery drain is minimal (at least on 3G). Push on for one night drained 8% battery, which is pretty much the same as without it (~6%). Data usage was under 100kB, and I received 2 mails during the night. Makes great savings, as doing a send/receive on my IMAP account easily uses around 200kB, which would happen every 5 mins or whatever is set for automatic checking, and by extension less traffic = less battery usage...
EDGE might use more battery as there are more keepalive signals.

I agree with Kilrah, I have my calendar, contact and email all synced through google and i don't notice any obvious battery drain compared to when push is turned off.

I use ActiveSync to sync my Gmail account and the push works fine.

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kilrah is spot on, and it works extremely well. The only thing I would add is that it does add to battery drain, so I would disable it at night and other times it is not required. G-profile can be used for this. By the way, it will not work if you are connected to a computer using Activesync, and that computer does not allow connection to the internet (most work networks are set up this way).
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Because Google Sync works via ActiveSync, you can adjust the settings for ActiveSync (e.g. only during peak times). So no need to use G-profile.

PUSH mail is avalaible on GMail with HD2. Look here : http://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?answer=138636&topic=14299

can you synch/push more than 1 gmail account with this method?

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Because Google Sync works via ActiveSync, you can adjust the settings for ActiveSync (e.g. only during peak times). So no need to use G-profile.
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How do you do that please?
As well as the battery/data aspect I would rather not have my sleep disturbed by the "bings" of new emails!

In activesync, menu -> scheduling.

wigwam12 said:
How do you do that please?
As well as the battery/data aspect I would rather not have my sleep disturbed by the "bings" of new emails!
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ActiveSync > Menu > Schedule. And just set Off-peak times to Manually so you won't be disturbed when sleeping
At the bottom click on: "Adjust peak times to fit your schedule"
Sleep well

Thanks Guys!
I have set that up to push my main Gmail account and am using Gudusoft email scheduler to check the other one every 30mins.
Let's see how will it works now!

Sync issues
Anyone having any issues sync'ing with calender.
For some reason the only way I can sync at all is with that one disabled.
Currently I'm only using push with email and contacts only since the other won't work.
Can't believe I didn't know that google offered this service now...yes I just found out today reading this forum...
Been waiting too long for this...

Hello, I have some problems with gmail...
When HD2 turns off (standby), it doesn't sync my emails (haven't tried contacts or calendar yet). When I go to activesync to check what happened there are 2 possibilities:
1) If I am home (wifi always on even in standby mode) I get an error (0x80004004). Btw even with wifi on it still keeps the data connection on (?!?!?)
2) If wifi is off it starts syncing when I open activesync.
Any help would be appreciated
EDIT: Seems like there is no problem when wifi is off after all. I guess having wifi always enabled is a problem because it automatically disables 3g...

i want to share my cheap way of getting my emails from Gmail on my phone
via MMS !! so since I am on TMobile (i dont know if it works for other carriers..a simple google search shall do )
so basically i forward all my emails to the email id
[email protected][B]tmomail.net[/B]
where phonenumber = your 10 digit number...
so lets say my phone number is 1-212-000-5000
all i do is forward my gmail to [email protected] and presto !!
everytime i get an email it notifies me...and since i have unlimited messaging (MMS is free too) the messages shows completely !!!

backlashsid said:
i want to share my cheap way of getting my emails from Gmail on my phone
via MMS !! so since I am on TMobile (i dont know if it works for other carriers..a simple google search shall do )
so basically i forward all my emails to the email id
[email protected][B]tmomail.net[/B]
where phonenumber = your 10 digit number...
so lets say my phone number is 1-212-000-5000
all i do is forward my gmail to [email protected] and presto !!
everytime i get an email it notifies me...and since i have unlimited messaging (MMS is free too) the messages shows completely !!!
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Hmmm....I should try that!
If it works, I'll definitely press that Thanks button in your post.

sumflipnol said:
Hmmm....I should try that!
If it works, I'll definitely press that Thanks button in your post.
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first try sending a test mail from ur gmail a/c to yourself and if it doesnt work try adding '1" in front of your number ! hope it works for you too...