Judging by the number of topics on Activesync and Bluetooth a lot of people seem to be having difficulty synchronising their XDAII via Bluetooth. I am no exception.
I bought a Bluetooth PCMCIA card from eBay made by Sphinx Elektroniks (Germany) which came with Bluetooth Monitor v1.0.14 Build 1 software. See
http://www.sphinx-elektronik.de/deutsch/bluetooth/picocard_tech.htm
Whilst my XDAII and PC have bonded ok with the XDAII clearly visible in the Environment pane, it does not seem possible to either transfer files between XDAII and PC nor to get Activesync to work. There is no Activesync profile (from what I can see) in the Bluetooth Monitor software, there are only 3 "services" listed:
- SSA (this has modem symbol)
- ? OBEX Object Push
- ? Service Discovery
I have tried installing the first two on an available serial COM port, e.g. 2, 5 or 6 and then going into Activesync on the PC and trying to "Get connected" but the PC can't see the any of these ports when it looks for a mobile device. The third of the services in the list above reports an error "the service cannot be installed. SCN (service channel number) is 0". I have also tried to initiate Bluetooth connection from the XDAII, both via the Settings, System, Bluetooth Settings, Bluetooth ActiveSync Setup "Start". I have also made sure that the PC ActiveSync Connection Settings has the "allow serial cable or infrared connection to this COM port" is enabled but the ports 2, 5 or 6 are not visible.
So it seems I am stuck. Anyone else had similar problems or had any success with this type of Bluetooth card?
If the card supports serial profile it should work, just make sure you have not bonded with anything on your xda2, go to settings/system/bluetooth, choose the "sync by bluetooth" it will tell you to bond with a serial profile capable bt service, let it search. Make sure you are in discover mode. I have a cheap bt dongle which came with the widcomm software and I am using bluetooth to sync and I am able to surf the web anywhere in the house on my xda2. I can even use my pc as my headset and listen to the phone through the pc speakers and use the mic to speak to the phone.
I just checked that site and it seems that your card does support serial profile so it should work. If it has the bluetooth wizard you need to set up all the protocols that you will be using first.
Hi cruisin-thru,
Yes I saw your earlier post about your success with your cheap Bluetooth dongle. I'm glad you got it working.
Sadly, I've already tried your suggested method but when I do the Settings/System/Bluetooth Settings and click the "Start" button for Bluetooth ActiveSync Setup (which is what I assume you are referring to) it comes up with the error message "Please bond with other Bluetooth device which supports serial port or ActiveSync profile as your ActiveSync partner!". When I click ok it goes to the Bluetooth mode screen (which shows "Discoverable" still. I can only conclude that my Pico card is not compatible with ActiveSync or serial port modes.
My XDAII synchronises fine by USB and IrDA but Bluetooth would be good for surfing, as you know.
Rafil.
You definitely have the serial profiles activated on your pc??
Dear Cruisin-thru,
Thanks for your help on this subject but the Pico card & software I have just don't work with the XDAII. There is no way to do the serial port profiles in a way that the XDAII can see it. I have decided to abandon the Pico card and to go for the dongle that you recommended. For the benefit of all XDAII users who want to sync by Bluetooth, cruisin-thru kindly supplied the following link on eBay for the USB Bluetooth dongle that does work:
http://cgi6.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI...blue-future&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50
Regards -- Rafil.
Here is a link to the software I am using with the dongle.
http://www.blue-future.co.uk/BluetoothDriver.zip
Make sure the dongle is unplugged until you get the prompt. Make sure previous software is removed also.
Hi, I just can't make the activesync over bluetooth work with my laptop (widcomm) and my magician (qtek s100).
the devices are paired enough, and I can see the serial port on the phone from the laptop, but when active sync starts to search for the connection, it loses the connection (the serial port is listed as not connected in the "my bt places").
Any tips/hints? Is something wrong on one of the machines? I will try to see if I can test with some other devices...
try this --> http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?s=f18b052a41d1d7b711c2b97ecd926005&threadid=544932
You can skip the step on installing and using the BT Tools.
cheers :wink:
Thanks, but that doesn't work for me...
I can pair allright, but I am unable to sync...
have you updated to the latest ROM for your s100? I noticed after updating my JAM that I do not need BTH tools anymore to activesync over BT.
Hi
have an O2 XDA II Mini (Magician) and I am using an XMicro Dongle on my laptop (Win XP with SP2....I am using the in built Microsoft BT stack which comes with SP2) and ActiveSync3.8. Initially syncing with BT was a problem but now its not a problem at all.
First you have to make sure that the COM port nos. selected by ActiveSync are less than 10 bcoz there is some bug due to which ActiveSync will not support COM ports above COM9.
To reduce the COM port nos. on your computer try the following website
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;315539
Once you can see the hidden devices and ports delete/uninstall all the ports which are not in use.
To ActiveSync.....the following steps might help....
1 To sync with BT first delete all your pairing with your computer and phone on both devices.
2 Go to BT Manager on your phone and click both check boxes for Inbound and Outbound COM ports and pair the devices.
3 Once they are paired go to BT manager (on the phone) again and click on the start button (for BT ActiveSync setup) and pair the devices again if you have to.
4 Once that is done make sure that on the computer in BT Settings the the Serial Port Profile (SPP) "Serial Port COM4" is checked.Click on the phone device>property>services.
5 After that on the computer's BT Manager itself ensure that the COM ports folder shows incoming and outgoing ports with the phone's name in front.
6 Open ActiveSync (on the computer) ensure that the COM port no. is the same as the Incoming COM port no. given in step 5 above and it being shown as available. Sometimes if it is unavailable, the computer needs to be rebooted and then it will be shown as available.
7 Click on ActiveSync thru BT on the phone and it should work.
8 Whenever you wanna disconnect ActiveSync press stop on the compouter to disconnect.
It has been working for me since the past couple of weeks. Initially it took a lot of time to set up but now even if the pairing gets deleted or something messes up its working fine.
One thing to remember is that in case you are using a dongle with a laptop ensure that the dongle is plugged in BEFORE you boot up the laptop. A lot of people plug it in later and then ActiveSync on the computer shows the COM ports as unavailable.
I hope this helps.
All the best!
Hi,
A few days ago i bought an Orange SPV M2000 (the big PDA sized phone by Orange in the UK). It was £150 ($250) more than the M500 (also know as the Magician), so when i managed to sucessfully create a bluetooth LAN connection on the M2000 and run Skype over it, i decided the extra £150 spent for the Wifi feature was a waste of money so i took it back and got a M500 / Magician instead.
However the M500 doesn't seem to have all the standard bluetooth features. Most noticably the Bluetooth Connection wizard needed to create a bluetooth LAN Connection. The wizard is part of the Bluetooth Manager software.
Does the M500 have a cut down version of the M2000's Windows Mobile software?
Is the M500's bluetooth not capable of a LAN connection?
If I install the latest BigStorage ROM, will it give me the Bluetooth Manager software?
I've attached 2 images of the M2000's Bluetooth Manager software which seems to be missing from my M500.
Any help would be much appreciated?
Neil
the magician uses microsoft's bluetooth stack which is not as good as the widcomm/broadcomm stack found on your other phone, i think there is still a way to connect to a bluetooth lan but you will have to do some searching on the forum.
or
you could by the cheap wifi card from ebuyer like many magician users have and use wifi.
good luck
Rob
Thanks Rob for the suggestion of using Wifi, but if i use the SD slot for a Wifi card, it won't be free for an extra Memory card.
I've had a look around on the forums and haven't been able to find a solution for this yet. Can the widcomm / broadcomm stack be installed into the magician?
If anyone has any other solutions please let me know. Is the M500 / Magician cut down in any other ways? My M500 is still within its 14 day return period so if its not capable of running most Windows Mobile 2003 software i'd rather get my money back.
Bluetooth:
You don't need to create a bluetooth lan connection.
You need to create a virtual serial (com) port with your bluetooth dongle on your PC. Eg Port 7.
Get that set up, then set activesync settings to search the serial port as a connection.
Then on your Magician go to Start > Settings > System > Bluetooth settings.
Click the bottom two boxes, and then click the middle button "start button to setup".
Then this will take you to Start > Settings > Connections > Bluetooth.
Here click on Turn on blueooth, make device discoverable, then tab "Devices", search for a new device (ie your pc), create a bond, set up a passcode (0000 etc), your pc should then show a balloon to say your phone is trying to make a connection and requires a pin. Set that Pin to 0000. Your phone should now bond with the PC.
Next open up Activesync on your PPC, and click Tools menu, Connect via bluetooth.
Hopefully, all being well, you should now connect to your pc via bluetooth.
You should be able to browse the internet, and if you can do that (if on your PC you've got internet pass thru on your activesync), you can use skype.
WIFI:
Bigstorage rom will not change your PPC stack; its exactly the same rom as your original, but with more "Storage" memory. However, I use this, copy any Net only apps to my "storage" and can then pop out my SD Card, put in my wifi, and still have access to all my net apps + wifi. I don't use storage for anything else. Wifi is faster than Bluetooth, but both methods work.
Options:
Have a look for the Blue Soleil threads - this is the Bluetooth stack i use on my PC, but you don't need it. It doesn't do much more than you can do now, and certainly not to apply the above info.
V
Thanks for the reply vijay555,
i too am using the IVT BlueSoleil bluetooth software. Downloaded the latest eval version from their site.
After following your instructions its still not working, but it appears to be almost there. I'll explain what i've done.
In BlueSoleil bluetooth propertiesi've turned Serial Port A (port 6) off and left SerialPort B (port 7) on. All the other services are on their defaults.
I right click the tray icon and exit it. then restart t make sure the services take on the new settings. (must be an easier way to reset services).
I open ActiveSyncs "Connection Settings" and if i select Com7 the Status reads: Com port is not available.
All your PPC side instructions seem to work, but of course it fails to sync with ActiveSync.
Any idea why the virtual port isn't being seen as working? I'm using Active Sync 3.8 & BlueSoleil 1.6.1.4
Thanks Neil
i have nothing to say that helps you further, but just wanted to say that i've had such a hard time doing anything via bluetooth on this phone that its extremely disappointing. after a slew of ipaqs, this is so counter-intuitive and i can't get nothing working via bluetooth, most notably GPRS with a laptop.
sucks....and i feel for ya
futurity- I think for some reason I decided to use the WIDCOMM bluetooth software on my PC. It was a LOT of work, so many reboots and required a safe-mode hack, but supposedly better. From memory, the bluesoleil looked much nicer. There's no reason why a simple serial port shouldn't work.
Try on your PC checking My computer > (right click) properties > device manager > com ports to ensure either Com port 7 is on, activated, or being used by something else.
Try changing to com port 6?
If you double click on the serial port in bluesoleil I presume you get properties showing it's available and ready for use?
Bluetooth does work, and for me: I live in a block of flats and I've got the wifi card, which is painless (although it had problems, described elsewhere on the board!). However, I've got 3 wifi signals inteferring from neighbours and I can't get online from one room away from my router. But the bluetooth signal works for about 10m, through walls and doors, so for me it's a cheap and easy solution. The hardest bit was setting up WIDCOMM, so I only recommend it if you like going to the dentist.
Reply if you sorted it/having troubles.
V
Got it working using Windows XP im built Bluetooth drivers
Hi chaps,
Got it working using Windows XP im built Bluetooth drivers. My setup procedure is still flaky though so I aim to sort it out on a clean machine until i perfect it. Only draw back is that you have to log into a user accout in order to use the Bluetooth / Activesync internet access option.
I'll most likely make the next postin gon Tuesday.
Regards
Neil
Ok, I've finally had time to get the sequence perfected after setting this up about 10 times (most of them failures).
Here is the working procedure, based heavily on the previous posted procedure with some more detailed instructions that worked for me.
PC Bluetooth:
First off you don't need to create a bluetooth lan connection in order to get LAN or Internet access. We're setting up Internet access via the ActiveSync Proxy.
Install your Bluetooth interface into your PC (for me i just plugged in my Bluetooth USB dongle and it installed using XP drivers, but you may need to install specific software).
On your PC task bar (bottom right next to the time) click on the blue Bluetooth icon (called Bluetooth devices on my PC)
Select "COM Ports", then add, then select "Incoming (device initiates the connection)" then OK. This creates an inbound connection that the Magician can use to talk to the ActiveSync Program.
Note the COM port number of the newly created COM port.
PC ActiveSync:
Open ActiveSync
Select File->Connection Settings
Select the "Allow serial cable or infrared connection to this COM port:" and select the port number that you just created.
Magician Bluetooth:
Select Start > Settings > System > Bluetooth settings.
Select the "Inbound COM port:" box.
Then Select the "Outbound COM port:" box. If it asks you to select a device providing a serial interface, click ok,
Then this will take you to Start > Settings > Connections > Bluetooth. but for now close this window by clicking the top right "ok" to close the window. i.e. don't select a new device quite yet.
The Bluetooth settings page should now reappear.
Now press the "Start" button in the middle of the page. Press ok to accept the prompt to select a device providing a serial activesync interface.
Then this will take you to Start > Settings > Connections > Bluetooth again.
Here click on Turn on blueooth, make device discoverable, then tab "Devices", search for a new device (ie your pc), create a bond, set up a passcode (0000 etc), your pc should then show a balloon to say your phone is trying to make a connection and requires a pin. Set that Pin to 0000. Your phone should now bond with the PC.
Magician Active Sync:
Next open up ActiveSync on your PPC, and click Tools menu, Connect via bluetooth.
Hopefully, all being well, you should now connect to your pc via bluetooth.
You should be able to browse the internet, or use MSN Messenger, and if you can do that (if on your PC you've got internet pass thru on your ActiveSync), you can use skype, X-ten Softphone, PocketIRC, etc.
If you have any problems, send me a private message and i'll try and talk you trough it.
Thanks futurity!
It was so satisfying when I got it working finally, and then I still went back to wifi
Very useful info, keep a copy on my PDA.
V
If you have bluetooth LAN connection doesn't that mean you can also access network shares? I don't think that is possible through active sync...
Just curious
Si
Yepp, that's amost the only difference, besides that you need ActiveSync for Internet access and not only a standard bluetooth stack capable of doing it.
One remark on the detailed setup list from futurity: If the device is already paired with the PC you want to sync with, you have to (after pressing the start button in the bluetooth settings) re-pair the devices. I'm also always deleting an existing partnership with the PC but I'm not sure wether this is neccessary or not. This procedure ist very annoying when you often switch between PCs. I was told that the Freeware PocketMultiPartnershipSync helps for that but it didn't quite work for me.
What is concerning using the GPRS modem over the Magician, I was writing some detailed walkthroughs for that in the forum. You basically need to set up AT strings in your Modem settings to set up the APN of your provider. I also experienced that it sometimes didn't work, maybe due to the installed radio version on my device. I was successful with the Radio 1.13 installed, so try that.
Mudstuffin said:
If you have bluetooth LAN connection doesn't that mean you can also access network shares? I don't think that is possible through active sync...
Just curious
Si
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The Orange M500 has the Microsoft (M$) Bluetooth stack so making a LAN connection isn't an option for me.
This is what i did:
If you have any COM port used by your other stuffs, I suggest delete them, and change to other port. Basically, Windows mobile use this port as their default:
Incoming Port : COM4
Outgoing Port: COM5
therefore make this on your computer:
Bluetooth Port COM3
Communication Port COM4
Communication Port COM5
and then set your Activesync to detect COM3
Now you can use Activesync + other thing you may need for LAN
futurity said:
Ok, I've finally had time to get the sequence perfected after setting this up about 10 times (most of them failures).
Here is the working procedure, based heavily on the previous posted procedure with some more detailed instructions that worked for me.
PC Bluetooth:
First off you don't need to create a bluetooth lan connection in order to get LAN or Internet access. We're setting up Internet access via the ActiveSync Proxy.
Install your Bluetooth interface into your PC (for me i just plugged in my Bluetooth USB dongle and it installed using XP drivers, but you may need to install specific software).
On your PC task bar (bottom right next to the time) click on the blue Bluetooth icon (called Bluetooth devices on my PC)
Select "COM Ports", then add, then select "Incoming (device initiates the connection)" then OK. This creates an inbound connection that the Magician can use to talk to the ActiveSync Program.
Note the COM port number of the newly created COM port.
PC ActiveSync:
Open ActiveSync
Select File->Connection Settings
Select the "Allow serial cable or infrared connection to this COM port:" and select the port number that you just created.
Magician Bluetooth:
Select Start > Settings > System > Bluetooth settings.
Select the "Inbound COM port:" box.
Then Select the "Outbound COM port:" box. If it asks you to select a device providing a serial interface, click ok,
Then this will take you to Start > Settings > Connections > Bluetooth. but for now close this window by clicking the top right "ok" to close the window. i.e. don't select a new device quite yet.
The Bluetooth settings page should now reappear.
Now press the "Start" button in the middle of the page. Press ok to accept the prompt to select a device providing a serial activesync interface.
Then this will take you to Start > Settings > Connections > Bluetooth again.
Here click on Turn on blueooth, make device discoverable, then tab "Devices", search for a new device (ie your pc), create a bond, set up a passcode (0000 etc), your pc should then show a balloon to say your phone is trying to make a connection and requires a pin. Set that Pin to 0000. Your phone should now bond with the PC.
Magician Active Sync:
Next open up ActiveSync on your PPC, and click Tools menu, Connect via bluetooth.
Hopefully, all being well, you should now connect to your pc via bluetooth.
You should be able to browse the internet, or use MSN Messenger, and if you can do that (if on your PC you've got internet pass thru on your ActiveSync), you can use skype, X-ten Softphone, PocketIRC, etc.
If you have any problems, send me a private message and i'll try and talk you trough it.
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worked perfectly
can someone talk me though how to set up a connection between my pc and my TYTN, the pc recognises the TYTN and visa versa, but when i press connection via bluetooth. a dialogue box appears with the message", cannot find an existing bluetooth partnership" but i have already set up a partnership. and i can see it on the phone. i think it may have something to do with the fact that my bluetooth software only has com port 17 ,18, and the TYTN only has access to 0 - 9.
Right this is ever so easy but not many people know how to do it.
First off, you need to find out what port your bluetooth serial port is. To do this, go to control panel > Bluetooth Configuration > Local Services tab and look in the window and find Bluetooth Serial Port and look to the right to see what com port it is. Probably Com5.
You now need to open activesync on the PC and go to File > Connection Settings, In there you need to tick "Allow Connections on one of the Following" and use the drop down box to find the com port that we just found out in bluetooth configuration.
Now you need to remove all pairing of your TyTN and Laptop on both your Device and PC.
After they have been removed go to activesync on your TyTN and select connect via Bluetooth, You will get the message pop up saying cannot find exsisting partnership etc, and press yes.
Search for your laptop and proceed to pair it until the last page, where you NEED to tick the box which reads "Activesync".
Once that has done, then go back to Activesync on your device and press connect via bluetooth.
All Done Your device should now sync via bluetooth fine.
just one problem, my usb bluetooth on my pc is taking up comports 16-23 and the TYTN only has ports 0-9.
I would do the pairing from the phone itself. After the ActiveSync has been installed on the computer and you initiate the pairing with your phone (Start->Settings->Connections->Bluetooth->Devices -> New Partnership) the phone should find your computer. Choose the computer and click Next on the phone. On the next screen, your phone should display the services available on the computer and one of the services should be ActiveSync. Just check that and click finish.
At some point, you will be asked to enter the pin code.
Then I'd switch the bluetooth off and back on on the phone and the connection should happen.
Dear all, I need to set my outgoing com port to 8 for my GPS receiver to work. I've searched the wiki and was unable to find anything on this topic.
When I try to set sny numbers between 1-8 my Hermes rejects this saying "the com port could not be created....."
I've tried with and without secure connection ticked.
I am using the following ROM TNT.SE "Special Edition" Series (Professional)
Could someone point me inthe rightdirection of how to enable com port 8.
Many thanks
i used for my tytn before com0 and after hard reset com4...you can try!!
1. Go to Comm manager and turn on Bluetooth
2. Go to Settings Bluetooth
3. Click Add new device (your mobile phone is search for BT GPS device)
4. Click with stylus on GPS BT device then tap to next
5. Enter passcode (default is 0000 four zero), then tap next
6. Enable checkbox on Serial port then Finish
7. Go tu downmenu COM Ports
8. Tap on New Outgoing Port
9. Select your BT GPS device
10. Tap next
11. Select your COM port (Com 8)
12. Disable checkbox Secure Connection
13. Click on Finish
Thats it... My BT GPS antenna work fine with this procedure. And for last finish, setup your GPS software to work with this COM port.
Enjoy...
Many thanks for the replies Filefixer and Lilhit82.
I tried to do as you've said before posting the thread. The problem is that I can't select any com ports between 0 and 8. I can only to set it up on port 9.
I have the same problem although I have in the past been able to set it on com 5 or 6, now it is locked on com port 9, however htat port works fine for me.
just make sure you go to the GPS applet in connections (or wherever your cooker put it) and set the hardware port to 9... DO NOT attempt to set a data port, leave that first page at (none), then set the third page to allow windows to manage your gps.
Then do a soft reset and power cycle your GPS reciever, then you will be able to use apps that call on the gps unit.
Hope that works for you.
BTW perform the procedure filefixer described but use port 9 instead. Do that BEFORE the soft reset and power cycle.