Hi,
Maybe I am beating a dead horse but could somebody please help me with these questions about BBConect.
Device: T-Mobile MDA with ROM version 2.26.x
Questions:
1. What are the advantages of using BBConnect (other than receiving emails from BB Servers)
2. Where does it write emails to (Outlook Inbox or any designated folder)?
3. If I use BBConect can I still use ActiveSync to synchronize with other Outlook Inbox folders?
4. I have seen somewhere that the WAP proxy needs to be changed: How does it affect other apps like T-Zones? Can I still connect to the Internet using GPRS?
5. How easy is it to install, configure & operate BBConnect?
Also if somebody could give a step-by-step install guide (all pdfs I downloaded are not in English), that will really help out.
Thanks in advance.
Before answering, I can tell you that rom 2.26 and the current BB connect client do not work. You will have to use a different rom. For me, based on postings on teh forum, qtek 2.17 and cingular radio 2.25 work well.
Now to your questions:
1. What are the advantages of using BBConnect (other than receiving emails from BB Servers)
replacement for bberry service and device. if your company has a BES server, you can now use your MDA to get corpoarte email. (I do not believe it works with blackberry internet service)
2. Where does it write emails to (Outlook Inbox or any designated folder)?
designated folder
3. If I use BBConect can I still use ActiveSync to synchronize with other Outlook Inbox folders?
yes
4. I have seen somewhere that the WAP proxy needs to be changed: How does it affect other apps like T-Zones? Can I still connect to the Internet using GPRS?
yes. BBerry will use a different connection. My MDA deals pretty well with switching from one connection to teh other (automatically)
5. How easy is it to install, configure & operate BBConnect?
if you have the right ROM, pretty easy. see the other posts on teh forum. But you can't6 use rom 2.26 yet.
Thanks for the answers.
I guess I will wait for T-Mobile to update the ROM.
I am not against running other ROMs, it is just that I have bricked couple of devices and wasted too much time to get the data back.
-G
Is there any option to have blackberry and MSN Messenger simultaneusly connected?
not really: they use different GPRS access point.
I know this thread is dead for some time, but I would like to get ne1fl0w5 wave here.
I have a Qtek 9100 from Claro (Telmex Brazilian sub). It was running 2.22.17.1 PTB ROM and 2.46.11 radio rom. First tried all BBConnect clients available (they were many). All installed but would halt at "Not connected" after first provisioning of the device and connection through GPRS/EDGE. After duly CIDunlocking the Qtek at imei-check (mine is a G4, I forgot to mention), I took a deep breath and decided to give it Vodafone's ROM a shoot.
I followed these instructions and managed to make it work.
Now, to your questions:
Questions:
1. What are the advantages of using BBConnect (other than receiving emails from BB Servers)
First of all, I have to say that I find (or thought, at first) BB email services excelent, but the devices really bad. Those little keys are small even for my 9-month old baby. Besides that, that trackwheel will certainly cause repetitive stress injuries. I used for less than a day and my arm started aking (please, don't say I am fragile) In addition, it was not made for lefties such as me. And the 8700g does not have an efficient cursor (for instance, if you are to delete a letter in the beggining of a line (or two words before the cursor), you would have to delete everything and retype the text.
For those reasons, I prefer the Qtek...
As per the system itself, I have to say that emails are delivered really fast to each of them. In Blackberry connect, the calendar items are also syncronized correctly as well. However, it did not sync my contacts (and it is probably not meant to), as opposed to the Blackberry device, in which both were available.
2. Where does it write emails to (Outlook Inbox or any designated folder)?
Designated folder. You can chose which server folders you want sync'd as well.
3. If I use BBConect can I still use ActiveSync to synchronize with other Outlook Inbox folders?
Yes. However, BBConnect uses a dedicated GPRS connection and it will compete with Outlook for the radio. You will probably have issues if you are looking for concurrent exchange push functionality.
4. I have seen somewhere that the WAP proxy needs to be changed: How does it affect other apps like T-Zones? Can I still connect to the Internet using GPRS?
Whenever you connect to do anything else, your BB connection will be lost.
5. How easy is it to install, configure & operate BBConnect?
It was hard to install all Roms required to make it work, but once you have this part finished, it is very easy to get things going.
Also if somebody could give a step-by-step install guide (all pdfs I downloaded are not in English), that will really help out.
The post above gives you all the directions (except for creating the blackberry.net connection, which is not necessary).
Sorry for the lenghty (and completely out of time) post, but I would like to share this with you.
Also, I would like to say that I was not very impressed with the way things eventually got working. first thing I noticed was that the reconciliation with the server was not complete. For instance, read messages did not display as such at my server, only at the device. In addition, the BB service uses lots of storage and memory.
In the end, I prefered my Qtek 2.22 rom (much faster to load) and much better loking style. Because of all this, I have just reverted to Qtek's rom and decided to go with email redirection to an external exchange sp2 account. Although we have that in the office, they have high security standards (but forgot to prevent email redirections).
Rafael K
BB Connect on WM6
Blackberry is running smoothly in Universal with WM6 Rom all thanks to c0rnholio. He figured out a way to change the string that will work through decoding>changing>encoding and flashing and finally a small aku registry change.
I was wondering if same thing can be done with wizard.
Here is how-to from c0rnholio
I managed quite easy to get BB Connect running (for company email via BES).
I had the 2.24 (Mr Clean) OS ROM, 2.24 Bootloaders and 2.25.11 Congular Radio. I knew that would not support BB.
I took the OS and ExtROM from the QTek 2.17 package, changed the pagepool to 8MB (BB was said to be a memory consumer), repacked them to a new nk.nbf (with only OS and ExtROM), upgraded, installed BB Connect 2.1.2.31 (downloaded from the Vodafone.de website) and voila!
By just following the Blackberry Connect tutorial (also downloaded from vodafone.de) I had it going.
Good to know:
-I did this exercise after I received my Blackberry device from my employer (I was happy with the functionality, not with the device). So I was sure that the BB functionality was Ok for my company email account.
-When I generated the key for my PDA PIN the Blackberry device was no longer functional (I can think of reasons why).
-I did not have to use the SIM I have in the Blackberry device, in my PDA I am still using my Voice SIM (which also has a data plan)
Hi
I'm also working on getting BBconnect to work with the newer roms. I managed to get it to work with the latest Tmobile rom 2.26. But Crossbow still no luck.
I looked at the solution for changing the strings, but unfortunatly the strings mentioned are not in the crossbow rom...so can't change them (I guess they're different?).
I have contacted Faria; he seems to have a way to tweak the system so that it will work. He's currently on holiday but as soon as I have some info I'll post it here.
Did you try to get it to work on the latest aku3.3 rom?
now works
I've got it now working on all roms...including Crossbow. There is a detailled explanation in the developing forum that shows how to change the rom for BBconnect to work.
Is there an easy way to do this?
I am not a complete newbie, but I am certainly no expert in hex editing, so I was wondering if there is an wasy way to make it work on other Wizard ROMs, including the Brazilian provider I am hooked with.
Currently I am using Tmo's ROM, but there are a lot of features in this ROM I do not use and that take lots of space...
Thanks
Hacking isnt that difficult, it's just that you need to understand how it works.
The thread in Development & Hacking says it all.
I think (just have to dare to flash the hacked os now!) I managed to hack the official AKU3.3 WWE ROM.
Related
Bits of this post have popped up elsewhere on the forum but have never (AFAIK) been fully addressed.
I am using a Wizard running on the T-Mobile network. I am subscribed to their "Total Internet" service courtesy of my employer and use the T-Mobile My-Email service to keep an eye on my personal emails.
The reason for this post is last week I upgraded to a new ROM which was primarily built for the Cingular network. I chose not to install the extended ROM but instead applied a number of cabs that I have written / collected that keep my phone working and looking like my phone...However I forgot to install the cab to configure the T-mo email client. - This got me thinking, how do I use the stock push email functionality within WM5? The icon is there in Connection Manager but it is disabled. I have looked on the internet for other push email solutions but they all rely on their own PPC client. Nothing that I have seen appears to use the embedded functionality. Can anybody explain how this push email functionality all hangs together?
Hey all,
I have been running the PDAViet 4.0 version of the WM6 rom for our wizards. I must say that so far it seems loads better than most of the roms I have tried on it (and I have tried most of them )
Before, I had no issues with getting push email from my exchange server at work. Now after upgrading to WM6, I can't seem to connect for the life of me. When I connect, I get a "Support code: 0x80072F06" error. Now instead of being a total tool and just asking you smarties to solve my question without any leg work on my part, I researched this error code and it seems to be a certificate error. I have entered my exchange server info the EXACT way as before.
I even exported the certificate from IE, and imported it into my 8125. Same error. I then also downloaded the SSLChainSaver app, extracted the certificates from my exchange server, made it into a .cab file, imported it...nothing.
So, that being said, do you think that this is some sort of a WM6 issue? I would really hate to go back to WM5 at this point.
I saw somewhere that you could disable the OS from checking for a SSL certificate by doing a registry change, but when navigating to HKCU/Software/Microsoft/Activesync/Partners/UID blah blah <-- that last part isn't in there, so I can't insert a value to disable it... Please help!!!!!
The only other issue I have seen at this point with the WM6 rom is that the keyboard is jacked up...my dot characters aren't right at all...however the numbers and letters are fine.
Thank you so much for any help you can provide. I have been lurking on the site since the 8125 came out, and I must say I have learned a great deal from this community. Thanks!
kmartburrito said:
Hey all,
I have been running the PDAViet 4.0 version of the WM6 rom for our wizards. I must say that so far it seems loads better than most of the roms I have tried on it (and I have tried most of them )
Before, I had no issues with getting push email from my exchange server at work. Now after upgrading to WM6, I can't seem to connect for the life of me. When I connect, I get a "Support code: 0x80072F06" error. Now instead of being a total tool and just asking you smarties to solve my question without any leg work on my part, I researched this error code and it seems to be a certificate error. I have entered my exchange server info the EXACT way as before.
I even exported the certificate from IE, and imported it into my 8125. Same error. I then also downloaded the SSLChainSaver app, extracted the certificates from my exchange server, made it into a .cab file, imported it...nothing.
So, that being said, do you think that this is some sort of a WM6 issue? I would really hate to go back to WM5 at this point.
I saw somewhere that you could disable the OS from checking for a SSL certificate by doing a registry change, but when navigating to HKCU/Software/Microsoft/Activesync/Partners/UID blah blah <-- that last part isn't in there, so I can't insert a value to disable it... Please help!!!!!
The only other issue I have seen at this point with the WM6 rom is that the keyboard is jacked up...my dot characters aren't right at all...however the numbers and letters are fine.
Thank you so much for any help you can provide. I have been lurking on the site since the 8125 came out, and I must say I have learned a great deal from this community. Thanks!
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M$ needs to patch exchange 2007 for it to work (if I am recalling the other post correctly).
--M
(search is your friend)
In other words, if you want to use Push email you can't use WM6?
lou2ser said:
In other words, if you want to use Push email you can't use WM6?
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Are you running Exchange 2003 at work? I'm still on 2003 and have never had a problem, whether with WM5 or WM6. I DO, however, ALWAYS configure my AS on the device initially. (If I use the PC I don't get my tasks) ... Plus it's just easier for me.
If the certificate worked with WM5 it'll work with WM6.
Is there an easy way to figure it out without asking anyone? I work for an IT company that runs all of m$'s latest stuff as far as I can tell. I would imagine they are at least 03. It worked just fine all day, and I know lots of people connected right now with WM5. It just seems to be picky with WM6 for some reason.
I am also running Vista on my work machine. There is no activesync. Now it is win mobile device center, and it doesn't feel the same at all. I haven't gotten it to sync with my phone on bluetooth yet. You can't specify com ports in the tool at all, just bluetooth. Oh well, keep reading I guess
It was the ROM...
I switched to the Underground Rom and everything seems to be working fine now. I wouldn't advise anyone with an 8125 to use the PDAViet 4.0 rom, this one, however, works great.
SSL
You are right. I Disabled SSL and Direct push worked for me
You're lucky! I couldn't even get it to work by doing that...
Hi,
As per the title... I have a problem getting back my pushmail after upgrading to WM6.
I am with SFR. I updated the ROm for the Radio and the whole WM. Went from WM5 to WM6 (3.23). Everything went well. except that when I reinstall the setting for the push mail with the small piece pf software coming from SFR, it doesn not download mail.
Account is created. Network connection is alive. Everything is fine except it does not work... lol
Thanks for your help.
I had the same problem, checked the activesync error code and found that push mail works when activating SSL encryption.
the error code I had was : 0x85010014
But I do not use Activesync to sync my mail. I use pushmail. Liveconnection. Maybe I do not understand your point.
Thanks.
When you say pushmail do you mean you have setup an account in activesync on the device??
Or "pushmail" is a 3rd party software package ??
This is a third party software but that is almost the only feature that worth to have that knif of phone. This is the same thing as a Blackberry mail system. But on a Microsoft OS.
I know we can set it up directly but it is not alwats alive.
So I use the SFR (The phone company) third party to do the job. It works throufh "Visto" company.
I create a network connection based on GPRS that stay connected with the phone company. The mail software is then able to stay connected as it would be for outlook through exchange. The diffrence is that my account is a pop3.
The service for SFR is provided through push.sfr.fr using Visto Technology.
Since the software is not designed for WM6 (it will have been designed for WM5) it may not work as intended. Unfortunatly you may have to wait until a newer version is available.
That is excatly the answer I was hoping not to receive ;-)
Thanks for your help.
I've isntalled the WM6 LVSW Edition 3.23, do you think it may change somehting If I try the others like the black one or the other?
I dont' really know the differences.
I would recommend upgrading to the latest version of LVSW, its based on a newer WM6 build.
To make sure you have all the recommended stuff on your phone follow my guide. This will make sure you have a fairly up to date device
Suggestion for Push mail
Check if the GPRS setting is wap.cingular or isp.cingular. When I upgraded to WM6, I had my GPRS switch to wap, and when I reconfigured it to ISP, my push mail started working fine again.
If you do not know, you can search for the GPRS configuration in this site.
All the best.
Thanks to alll of you.
I was able to get my mail but using the regular Internet account through the WM outlook. It is less efficient than with the live one.
I've alreayd used your guide with the 3.23 version. But it seems there is a new release every 2 days. I see the 27.3 is now out!
What the diffrences between
XDA Live v0.20.x
LVSW (27/3/2007)
VI Black Edition v1.2
Is that all different version of WM6? Should I hang on LVSW?
Thanks!
Can't find the setting about the WAP/ISP for gprs.
And about the upgrade for WM, it seems that I already have the latest.
IS there a new version that kept the same 3.23.0.2?
Thanks.
I'm also having no luck with the Visto software since updating to wm6. It installs fine and seems to run as it always did, even down to it connecting to push.vodafone.net and saying "connected" and displaying my mailbox name. The problem is emails just aren't getting through!
Also, if I go to the mailbox in the messaging program and try to select "New" it just pauses for a long time and doesn't open a new message so I can't try sending messages.
Any ideas? it seems to be almost entirely working, I'm sure there's some configuration that can be done to fix it?
I found a fix!
A new version not-really-yet-released of the SFR Push Mail software. As soon as I did a clean uninstall / install it connnected ans start to download mail!
Where did you get that version from? Is it the standard Visto software? What version is it?
Thanks.
Got it from the Visto support in Paris. the version is ni my signature. This is the Visto software but for SFR only.
If you are stuck without the real push mail, don't forget you can use a regular pop config on your WM outlook using the Internet connection from your GPRS. It is just not as good as the real tool.
The problem is that my 3G/GPRS data is limited whereas the push mail data is unlimited, including attachments. So push is my only real option.
Does anyone know if there is an actual WM6 device on the market yet that I could say to Visto I'm using?
Hi,
I'm having the same problema as you. Upgraded my Tytn to Windows Mobile 6 (LVSW 26-03-2007 version) and now my Visto push email software does not retrieve any email (I have Vodafone Real Mail Service in Spain based on Visto solution).
The service is the same as SFR in France (and others). Please, could you post your application so I can download and use it (I don't mind having it in french).
Thanks and regards
To all,
Please contact me directly if you want to get WM6 compatible VISTO soft for your PPC.
Just tell me exactly what is your OpCo (VF ES, VF ITA, SFR, etc...) and your GSM number.
Regards,
gvernot.
I was on the Dopod AUS site earlier and noticed that along with a number of other Apps & Games that Dopod have released a version of Blackberry Connect 4.0 for PPC along with the ActiveSync BBConnect Desktop Setup application.
I dont use it myself but as i have only seen version 2.x around here i thought i would upload it so someone could check it out. The files included in the zip file are:
ActiveSync_BBConnect_Desktop_Setup_4.0.0.17.exe
bbconnect_pocketpc_bb_4[1].0.0.67.cab
bbconnect_pocketpc_bb_4[1].0.0.67.exe
BBCWM Quick Start Provisioning Guide.pdf
BlackBerry Connect 4.0 ppc user guide english.pdf
They do also specifically mention its for WM5 however with their WM6 release pending who knows it may work on WM6 as well. Heres the link to download from Megaupload: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GBSZ8FQH
Filesize: 24.19 MB
Cheers!
(and yes i know i misspelled Dopod in the title but it wouldnt let me go back and edit the post title :S)
thanks a lot for posting this one....yummy...going to try it on my 8525
Its very kind of you to share this. I am downloading it now. I thought that the Nokia E90 would be the first device to use BBC 4 but looks like Dopod beat them to it. Will install in on my Dopod 838 pro. They have not post it on the Asia site. Glad you manage to download it first as it may have been accidently been leaked. Lets see what BBC 4 have in store.
Once again thank you very much.
works on black 2.0
Well, I just installed on my 8525 running Black 2.0 WM6 version (I am on Cingular USA)....It seems to work fine with my BES and BIS emails...I love that it now syncs contacts, tasks and notes as well....Great!
Can't get the client to connect on Treo 750.
Any suggestions?
I called Cingular and told them I wanted Blackberry connect.
YES! Finally. REAL Blackberry on the PPC. I'm using mine with WM6 Black 2.0 and it works perfectly! Sync Contacts, Tasks and Notes now along with being able to do Enterprise Activation! Now I have no need to keep my RIM device around!
pin to pin
i imagine there still is no pin to pin yet so not really quite bb yet but gettin there, needs pin 2 pin then will be complete. but then maybe there is i could only hope.
This only works with blackberry sim and data plan right??
leoiden said:
This only works with blackberry sim and data plan right??
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Correct!
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pvenkat said:
I love that it now syncs contacts, tasks and notes as well....Great!
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So besides the ability for our coporate Lotus Notes / BES admins to enforce policies, make me enter password every hour, shut my PPC down , enterprise activation, syncing contacts, tasks and notes and to view picture attachments what would be another appealing reason for me to upgrade from BBC 2.X ?
Have anyone installed BBC 4.0 on LVSW 0429 ROM or Black 2.5 ROM yet ?
TIA
well
i tried it on my universal running wm6
and god i got stuck on boot screen and even a hard reset not working for me
anyone please help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have been running BB Connect 2.blah.blah.54 for some time so it took me almost 6 installs on my Jasjam before the installation worked. Each previous time it installed and then uninstalled itself. I ended up having to copy the .CAB to my memorycard and then installed/reboot, installed/reboot until it stuck.
My company runs a BES and, using the desktop client, I was up and running in no time at all.
And why, you may ask, would I want to upgrade to all that security???
Because my carrier meters internet data separately to blackberry data and BB Connect 2 did not include a browser. So now I have a FREE!!!! browser access, not only to the internet, but my corporate network as well.
I hate to shout but...THANKYOU SO MUCH FOR POSTING
I'm having issues installing the desktop application. It installs all the way through (I even see the files in the destination directory for a split second) after which everything is removed again..... No clue what that is about. Tried to unpack the .msi file within the installer but no luck.
So I can't activate the client through my PC/Network.
Tried wireless OTA activation instead, where you have to enter your mail address and a password. You see two e-mails being sent by the device/rim server that are used for the activiation but the device doesn't seem to activate. Could it be the password needed for activation is different from the exchange password?
Strange.
It must not like the Treo 750's ROM.
I have tried 2 different SIMs both out of Blackberry 7290s. One from Cingular and one out of a T-Mobile device.
I'm stumped. It goes from "Network Available" to Data Tunnel Found" to "Not Connected".
Update: Tried the Vodafone ROM too with no luck.
Blackberry connect and browser
Managed to get the BB Connect 4.0 version running on the Black 2.0 build. AN earlier poster commented on getting the blackbeery browser to work. I did not seem to get any browser applicvation installed, do I need to do some additional config to get this up and running. I thin kI have all the service books listed.
Any help much appreciated
Thanks
Andy
danielalvers said:
I have been running BB Connect 2.blah.blah.54 for some time so it took me almost 6 installs on my Jasjam before the installation worked. Each previous time it installed and then uninstalled itself. I ended up having to copy the .CAB to my memorycard and then installed/reboot, installed/reboot until it stuck.
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Me too, but even when it appears to install properly, I can't find it in programs or settings. The 2.xx.xx versions always put a shortcut in System Settings.
Any suggestions? I'm running Black 2.0 (WM6).
Edit: Never mind, it seems to be working now!
After installation there was a Blackberry icon in the settings. This needed to be run first for initial config. After that I had a blackberry icon in my programs list that contains a browser link.
duh.., cannot download from megaupload.
anyone willing to put it to rapidshare..?
thanx in advance!
(new user of 838pro)
d1eter said:
duh.., cannot download from megaupload.
anyone willing to put it to rapidshare..?
thanx in advance!
(new user of 838pro)
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Here you go..............
http://rapidshare.com/files/29213009/BlackBerry_Connect_4.0_Setup_files.zip.html
thanx a lot !
OK so I am new here, but I am not new to mobile devices at all. In fact I was a Mobility Admin in different forums. So please don't get mad at me for posting here. I have some questions. PLEASE don't play the FLAME the noob game. I swear that I searched far and Wide for my answers but have failed to find them.
So my question: is there anyway to tweak the T-Mobile T-zones Internet?
I can:
Connect to the internet
Download Files
Stream Music (orb)
Stream Video (badly[orb])
Use Google Maps
I can't:
Connect To IM servers, I have tried all of the programs. OZ for T-Mo is the only one that works, but it's horrible.
No YouTube, I can live without this but I hope to get it working.
MIDP can't connect.
Basicly nothing, that doesn't connect from, IE works.
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I have played with the Proxy settings and nothing. I know that with my Treo 650 I could connect through VeriChat, but I can't connect on WM6.
Is there a program out there that can help me fix this?
Again I'm sorry if this is a repost, or an overkill of something, but I want to get this stuff working.
Thanks
-CD85233
I do not have an obvious solution but have also seen plenty of similar comments here from others - not just with T-Mobile either. I am using T-Mobile in the UK and have none of your problems.
I obviously had the original T-Mobile Vario II build (WM5) but now have the Black MAJIK build with WM6 and all has been fine with both. Some people directly accuse T-Mobile of blocking their IM, but I have no issue with it - albeit I use it rarely. Of course it "may" be that T-mobile are indeed blocking some services to 'offenders' (IM is not allowed) but I wonder if their system is that capable.
Obvious questions for you are: what OS are you using? Have you changed ANY comms settings from the original T-Mobile build? Have you tried a hard reset to restore original settings (including the all important T-Mobile extended ROM)?
If you still have the original OS ROM build running then you might try installing the configuration .cab files that are stored on the Extended ROM separately - some apply directly to such device settings. Access to that Extended ROM on the WM5 build is easy and you just need an application such as "HTweakC 2.0" (available here). Of course, and as ever, start with backing-up your device - but you will know that.
I hope this helps.
I have VSWL Rom.
I have setup the internet (GPRS) settins like they are suppose to be.
I believe that it is a fact that T-Mo has blocked ports, and has only left http smtp and pop3 open. So my dilema is why did verichat connect on my Treo 650 and not on my MDA or my 8525.
First we need to know if you are in tmobile usa, uk...????
if you are in tmo usa then you can't
if you have the proxies 216.155.165.50:8080 the most you can use is PIE (pocket internet explorer)
the best thing is to get the blackberry $20 dollar add-on plan and just setup without proxys. wap.voicestream.com and you have full internet access.
I am in the USA, and I have the T-zona 5.99 plan.
I am less than reluctant to close my mind for this not to work, since google maps works. and, as I said, on my Treo 650 using verichat worked perfectly.
I don't know what the difference in the way the Treo 650 connected and the way my 8525 connects.
Perhaps the programs that can connect are ones that ones that connect through port 80 and are proxied to 8080.
I am so lost on this topic though.
too many contractidicting points.
such as streamining works on win but not on palm
IM worked on Palm but on Win.