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Does Anyone knows how to get the Internal GPS to work with Windows Live Map?
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gpsone isn't in standalone mode so it cannot be accessed by applications

There are rumors that it'll be activated in the EVDO Rev A update this fall.

so wait... mogul has a gps?

it's built into the qualcomm cpu like the kaiser. it's assumed the gps shares the cell antenna since there's no gps antenna on board and the documentation states this is possible. the kaiser has the 7200 the mogul has the 7500. kaiser w/ test rom allows for the gpsone to run in standalone mode and the kaiser seems to have an antenna so it works.
as of right now it's assumed gps will work when unlocked but it's still a gray area; there may or may not be an antenna

The FCC application describes the Mogul as
"a CDMA850/CDMA1900 (1XEVDO / 1XRTT / IS-95A/B) Pocket PC Phone with wireless LAN, bluetooth, and GPS functions."
https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=391628&fcc_id='NM8TITA100'

the listing of gps functionality is ambiguous; all cellphones are required to have agps for e911 emergency in the usa as mandated by the fcc. gpsone is in quite a few htc devices but only a handful have antennas attached

how accurate is agps? versus standalone gps?

someone on PPCgeeks reported that Live Search was working on Sprint Moguls using tower triangulation. I'm not sure if this is different than AGPS, but it sure it neat to have location based services, even if accurate only to a few hundred yards...

Dishe said:
someone on PPCgeeks reported that Live Search was working on Sprint Moguls using tower triangulation. I'm not sure if this is different than AGPS, but it sure it neat to have location based services, even if accurate only to a few hundred yards...
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A-GPS = tower assisted GPS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS

i had my telenav rep confirm when the rev a patch is released that the GPS will be unlocked as well.

samspoon said:
the listing of gps functionality is ambiguous; all cellphones are required to have agps for e911 emergency in the usa as mandated by the fcc. gpsone is in quite a few htc devices but only a handful have antennas attached
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All cell phones certainly DO NOT have aGPS. Please do not confuse aGPS for tower triangulation.
aGPS is assisted GPS meaning it uses the cell phone towers to assist an existing GPS chipset.
So if the Mogul has aGPS, then it has to have GPS by definition.

he is right though. FCC does now require that ALL new phones in the united states have GPS (to an extent) for at least e911.

TC1 said:
A-GPS = tower assisted GPS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS
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Yes, I'm aware of the definition.
The way AGPS is described is similar to how articles are describing the technology Sprint and MS are using... and since every Sprint phone is mandated by the FCC to have 911 AGPS capabilities, I'm wondering if this is the same thing.

samspoon said:
as of right now it's assumed gps will work when unlocked but it's still a gray area; there may or may not be an antenna
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The Kaiser has a big "GPS" on the back where you can hook up an external antenna. No such luck with the Mogul.
But I still can hope that _some_ kind of GPS would come with Rev.A. Sucky GPS is better than no GPS...

I think you guys know as well as I do, that even if the phone has a functional gps and a antenna sprint will still never unlock it. Its not that they dont want to, they are lazy. There have been lots of firmware "updates" I have been waiting for on other sprint phones that they were going to release and never did.
As for external GPS recievers what do you guys think of this one?
http://www.semsons.com/wo44chawaauo.html
That supports A-GPS you think that would work?

Madzilla said:
I think you guys know as well as I do, that even if the phone has a functional gps and a antenna sprint will still never unlock it. Its not that they dont want to, they are lazy. There have been lots of firmware "updates" I have been waiting for on other sprint phones that they were going to release and never did.
As for external GPS recievers what do you guys think of this one?
http://www.semsons.com/wo44chawaauo.html
That supports A-GPS you think that would work?
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if you are going to go with an external BT reciever any should work, since its not using the phones GPS at all

If you want an external, get a Holux M-1200. Tiny, cheap, and works amazing. I love mine!

ok, so any external gps will work? some of them say A-GPS compatible and others dont. Does that matter at all?

Does Vogue have GPS Hardware receiver ???

Hi all.
Ia have a trinity and i am very happy with it. Currently Running FiNix WM6.1 Cooked rom... It has GPS Chip enabled.
A friend of mine bought a Vogue and at the store was told it had no GPS Receiver.
Is this true, or is it just sleeping till you upgrade radio like on the trinity???

Got a Bell Vogue flashed with alltell/JD and GPS is working fine

I got a Sprint Touch (Vogue) flashed with the Alltel rom (just for the radio) and JD's 6.1 Sprint rom. GPS works great, no wifi though, but who needs wifi with an unlimited RevA plan?

Chaplan said:
Hi all.
Ia have a trinity and i am very happy with it. Currently Running FiNix WM6.1 Cooked rom... It has GPS Chip enabled.
A friend of mine bought a Vogue and at the store was told it had no GPS Receiver.
Is this true, or is it just sleeping till you upgrade radio like on the trinity???
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+1... I've been happily using GPS on my Vogue since Friday...
As long as you are in fact talking about the HTC Touch (CDMA Version) a.k.a. Vogue then yes it most certainly does have a GPS chipset. Although I wouldn't necessarily expect all store sales staff to know that... There are many that most definitely would but you know...

EliteXen said:
I got a Sprint Touch (Vogue) flashed with the Alltel rom (just for the radio) and JD's 6.1 Sprint rom. GPS works great, no wifi though, but who needs wifi with an unlimited RevA plan?
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I agree altho I do miss being able to browse network folders and use wifirouter to share my connection.

Um, so is it aGPS or hardware?
The question in the OP was not answered. Is the gps functionality in the HTC Vogue based on the quallcomm e911 aGPS, or is it a *REAL GPS CHIP*. Does it work when you are out of range of cell phone service, or does it work well indoors? Does the phone use both aGPS and real GPS?

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The question in the OP was not answered. Is the gps functionality in the HTC Vogue based on the quallcomm e911 aGPS, or is it a *REAL GPS CHIP*. Does it work when you are out of range of cell phone service, or does it work well indoors? Does the phone use both aGPS and real GPS?
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It was answered. It is a real GPS receiver, it works otu of the range of cell phone service. It doesn't work too well in doors, but not many real GPS receivers do. It doesn't appear to be using aGPS at the moment and my TTF is can be up to several minutes depending on location and aerial visiblity. It works right away with Google Maps (which is free) and once the fix is obtained with GPS Viewer it also works with TomTom 6.

Only A-GPS???

Does the Xperia X1 have only A-GPS? or does it also have built-in GPS as well? I've seen it advertised as both...with and without built-in GPS...anyone know for sure?
Thanks

The Xperia X1 has A-GPS. A-GPS and conventional GPS are not mutually exclusive. A-GPS receivers still have conventional GPS receivers, but are assisted by the cell phone signal. Nearly all GPS receivers on any new cell phones are A-GPS.

A-GPS is GPS, but with the ability to use cell towers to get a rough location to speed up the time taken to get a fix. E-GPS is a similar technology.

Does that mean I can use the GPS feature independant of the network?
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Slingbox said:
Does that mean I can use the GPS feature independant of the network?
Thanks
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Yes.
A-GPS data can be downloaded through WiFi or other network connections, but is not necessary to get a GPS fix.

agps rogers

how do i enable agps on my rogers elf plz help

Sadly Rogers touch Elf does not have GPS capabilities. The Vogue is the one with GPS. See Bell CDMA Touch otherwise known as the Vogue.

i know they dont have gps but i heard with 6.1 its to have agps
assisted gps ... which uses gprs not sat

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hotrod101 said:
Sadly Rogers touch Elf does not have GPS capabilities. The Vogue is the one with GPS. See Bell CDMA Touch otherwise known as the Vogue.
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hi i do have software ,is call imobium,i dont know how to send it to u ,but it is such a gps on htc touch elf GSM from rogers. i bought one of those phones and i'm using imobium.
replay if u have another channel where i can send u the specs of the program and the posibility of sending u the program it self.
Good Luck.
Yami

If agps uses gprs not sat then would you incur heavy data use charges? I don't have any type of data plan (they are rediculous in price) besides, where I live, there is pretty much an open wifi hotspot anywhere I go so I have just been using the WIFI whenever I need to. I am interested in learning more. I did some googling and my understanding was that AGPS still required GPS. IF AGPS can work using GPRS Only, what can you do with that? Can you still use navigation software on the device and have turn by turn directions etc..., Can you use it to tell your speed altitude etc.. while driving? If you drive through a zone with no coverage, then AGPS would not work? There are several of these "Dead Zones" in my area in the North of Ontario Canada. (Dead zones for all cell phones no matter who your carrier is)
From what I have read there are a lot of phones that have AGPS however, most have it completely locked up so that there is no way to use it though. (Providers use it for their own purposes I guess - TO SPY ON US) I don't know about the Elf though. Haven't done that much research on it yet. Since there is no official WM 6.1 Rom release (For the Elf) to release the AGPS capabilities, maybe one of the custom roms from this site can do it. If it can be opened up for use with a ROM that is.

Assisted GPS, generally abbreviated as A-GPS, enhances the startup performance of a GPS satellite-based positioning system. It is used extensively with GPS-capable cellular phones..... Taken from WIKI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS

Funnily enough, A-GPS did actually come out as a data based gps solution back when EDGE came to the scene.
But suddenly phones started coming out with their own GPS units installed. UH OH, the carriers said. This imense source of data revenue, is now going to go away.
What to do? What to do?
I GOT IT! We redefine what A-GPS is. Instead of being simply data capable phone tracking system, we take phones with existing, and fully functioning GPS units, convince people that we are actually "helping" the performance of the GPS units with our networks and VOILA, we make even more money than before.
FYI, A-GPS was actually basically the same technology that Google Maps now uses for their "My Location" which is to normalize or coordinate, your location from several cell towers, and have a pretty good approximation of where you are.
All that was required was software (ie MAPS) that could take advantage of this technology that existed from when cell phones came into being.
That is why if you were one of the early adopters of set technology (originally came out with CDMA 2000) companies, you would have noticed that your so called "A-GPS" was as good as your reception was.
So really the more modern A-GPS, should be called GPS-A-CellCOMPANIESmakeMONEY.
But my suggested name did not fly so they decided to stick with A-GPS.

[Q] integrated GPS on both Rogers and AT&T Focus

Does both Rogers and AT&T Samsung Focus have a built in GPS (don't need a data plan)? Ever site I've looked at for the specs gives conflicting information.

fastmhc said:
Does both Rogers and AT&T Samsung Focus have a built in GPS (don't need a data plan)? Ever site I've looked at for the specs gives conflicting information.
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As I understand, my focus at&t has built in GPS that can be used with and without a data plan. It just depends what GPS software you are using for instance any GPS software that uses realtime updates or online maps requires data to be used while GPS is enabled...some 3rd party software use stored on device offline maps that would not require a data plan. As for specific programs that use online and offline maps I don't know. I use a data plan so I don't have to worry about that stuff.
This is my understanding so if anyone has better insight be my guest

All WP7 phones have a GPS, just like they all have a camera, three front buttons, a gravity sensor, proximity sensor, ambient light sensor and a compass. There are free GPS apps that are on the Marketplace that will allow you to see the GPS does work.
In time, there will be standalone gps navigation apps for sale on the Marketplace, it just takes a little patience.

I just don't want assisted GPS (A-GPS). I want an integrated GPS chip. All phones dont' have a built in GPS (I think older iphones). I currently have a Samsung i8910 and it has an integrated GPS. I bought Garmin software to use the GPS maps and when I am overseas I just need to buy the maps for that region to access the maps. If you have A-GPS you have to buy a data plan from that country's carrier and using their network, you access the internet (google maps) to get your maps. I hope that is clear??

You totally misunderstood what A-GPS is.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App

Maybe I don't? this is a quote for the wiki page for GPS navigation for phones
" Some phones with GPS capability work by assisted GPS (A-GPS) only, and do not function when out of range of their carrier's cell towers. "

WP7's have A-GPS. They use both radio towers and satellites to obtain a fix on your location.
So yes, once a proper mapping application is released, you can travel to other countries without needing a data plan.

From wiki, sums it up pretty well i would say:
""Standalone" or "Autonomous" GPS operation use radio signals from satellites alone. A-GPS additionally uses network resources to locate and utilize the satellites faster as well as better in poor signal conditions."
Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS

fastmhc said:
Maybe I don't? this is a quote for the wiki page for GPS navigation for phones
" Some phones with GPS capability work by assisted GPS (A-GPS) only, and do not function when out of range of their carrier's cell towers. "
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Most of today's cell phone GPS chips can work either in standalone mode or Assited mode. A(ssited)-GPS helps to speed up your initial satellite lock by downloading satellite information from network. If you have no data connection, the chip will fall back to standalone mode. With A-GPS properly working, you can achive first lock within 10 seconds. Without it, you may have to wait for couple minutes for your first lock. After the initial lock these GPS chips work autonomously unless you use MS-Assited A-GPS mode. With the power of today's Smartphone, there is zero reason for using MS-Assisted mode unless you're using it in E911 situations.
It is ultimately the navigation software you choose determines whether or not you need cell data connection. Currently standalone navigation software on WP7 is quite limited or non-existent. If that is important to you, you may want to look for other Smartphones like iPhone or Android phones. Your old WM software won't work in WP7.