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San
It is a good device but too costly...
I would recommand new buyers to wait for a while, so that you get a trouble free device for less..
I really dont understand the idea of this... They sell Device with bugs and problems for very high price and then after a while when the probs are almost fixed they come down.... Isnt that suppose to be other way around?
Of all the criticisms, I don't think it's expensive. OK, I bought an MDA Pro with a nice subsidy from T Mobile and not a sim-free Jam Jar, but even so, it's a good price. Compare it to an HP Hx4700 and, say, a Nokia 654321i or whatever a current phone is called :wink: Looking at retail or launch prices, you'll see that they add up to pretty much the same price or more.
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I really dont understand the idea of this... They sell Device with bugs and problems for very high price and then after a while when the probs are almost fixed they come down.... Isnt that suppose to be other way around?
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what problems???? my jasjar is the most stable ppc phone yet...i havent soft reset it once in over 3 weeks now.. doesnt hang ...everything is working.. this is superb piece of device (i shod know ive had pda2k,pda2 and jam.... and all of them had their weak points but jasjar doesnt have any (not talking about the price...coz if you wait it will come down...or if you know anyone like i did i got my jasjar for 3800 dirhams unlike many of you who had to pay well in excess of 4100 hehe)
zohaer21 said:
what problems???? my jasjar is the most stable ppc phone yet...
....(i shod know ive had pda2k,pda2 and jam.... and all of them had their weak points but jasjar doesnt have any
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I completely agree, my experience is exactly the same, however, there do seem to be a few people around here with underperforming devices. Guess we're the lucky ones (But I'm sure everyone will be happy sooner or later...)
I like to way the Jasjar works and it's stability, although it is a bit bulky.
HOWEVER, I got mine on Monday last week. On Wednesday, having loaded everything on it and got it working exactly the way I wanted it to, I twisted the screen from phone mode in order to close it, felt a slight resistance and......guess what....yes, the feed to the screen was broken.
I guess this was always going to be a risk with the revolving screen but, really! I'm awaiting the replacement.
It's more usable than my SPV M2000 thanks to the keyboard but it is that bit bigger.
Oh and the fact it crashes my PC doesn't help either :evil:
If ur a housewife who uses it stock-standard with the awful PIM and shocking today screens - you'll be stable and happy. If you are a bleading edge techie (which is probably why you've already got one of these) then you'll have hard reset at least 2 times by now, and will have discovered the myriad of issue that require fixes (BT, PIM, 3G connection TTL, notification sadeamon dups, working player vs chip stepping, etc etc). This is much like WM2003 was in the early days - all issues eventually get solved by software. But for now it's tough battling to find suitable solutions.
personally, I think my time could have been better spent on making money and waiting for the October-1 ROM to evolve 1 more generation.
funny thing is those who complains a lot about the Universal always claimed that they're techsavvy i could prolly say that I'm one of those "idiots" that's quite satisfied with my JJ. I'm annoyed with some of its problems but satisfied overall with its performance and I don't mind waiting for the upgrades to come.
This damn device is droolworthy for sure! There are certain memory handicaps, os problems etc., but i'm sure things would be sorted out over time....
MS has wm5 in its early stages, and i-mate (or whoever) has been bold to release it...as far as i remember, there were a hundred ppl cursing MS for not releasing WM5, for which the JJ launch was being delayed....and i'm sure, all of you would have hoped for a release even though wm5 is not yet fully done and packed, and wouldnt mind an upgrade once complete....face it, its so damn gorgeous that you could'nt resist!!
The memory handicap is definitely a big issue, and i'm sure there trying to fix it, if not completely, atleast to a stage where its practical to use.
I'm wondering if O2 delayed the launch of the Exec, because of these issues??? hmmmmm!!!!!!
San
This is by far and away the most stable ppc I've had yet. Considering it offers vga screen, wifi, BT, keyboard and its a phone(3G also), I dont mind the size. In fact I personally prefer something with weight. Yes there are issues as there are issues with all relatively new devices/OS, but if u want to be at the forefront of cutting edge technology, then this is it...Obvoiusly, its horses for courses so its not everyone's ideal choice...but thats why there IS a choice.
I was a XDA Atom user (boy, was that a big mistake), then i shifter to a Sony Ericsson P990i. A friend of mine is offering to swap with me my SE P990i with an XDA Trion (HTC TYTN). Now comes the question, should I or shouldn't I?
I got frustrated with the Atom's performance (poor battery life, slow sluggish response (especially with MS Voice command as compared to my imate jam), memory drains, and clunky MS 5.0 handling). I got rid of it as soon as I could.
NOw I have an SE P990i. I miss my pocket PC. Shoudl I swap the phone, or should I stick with my SE P990i? Can someone give me a direct comparison between the Atom and the Tytn?
Thanks in advance.
Thats a tough question because its not as easy as comparing an atom to a tytn for example. However, the biggest comparrison I always remember when weighing up a non windows mobile device (because there are a few on the horizon that have tempted me to contemplate it) is the software and the interface. Because really why else would you consider swapping if not for the fact that you obviously miss the windows mobile platform?
Anyway you were probably looking for hardware comparrisons but as a TyTN and M3100 user I can tell you the TyTNs only suffer 1 problem as opposed to the Atom series - which (until the end when they got the software right) was one big stuff up; and thats screen alignment issues and to a small extent sticky keys on the keyboard. Besides that the device is very quick, responsive, one handed use is great, keyboard is fantastic for everything from emails to sms, phone reception is well up there, and the interchangable roms between all the Hermes variants mean if your have a compatibility issue with some software or responsiveness chances are another variants ROM will correct it, as some users have found with GPS and performances.
You could ask your friend WHY he wants to trade. Does his TyTN have the famous Screen- and keyboardproblems, does it have a weak WiFi section, does the keyboard slide in and out to easy and\or has he trouble with the stylus?
I had 3 TyTN (up to version HT633) and ALL had serious problems. And remember the screenalignment can make thet TyTN unusable at times.
Theoretically speaking Tytn is the most capable for many things. Personally I have regretted the fact that I spent so much money buying this problematic device and this because the cons are more than the pros. I'm talking about the known problems of screen allignment and freezing when in sleeping mode etc. Only these two factors are major drawbacks when u r speaking about pda phones. In my opinion HTC did not manage to fully "support" the device before put it on the market resulting the "bugs" now coming out one by one. I hope HTC will take seriously all these problems and fix them with the appropriate ROM..
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Theoretically speaking Tytn is the most capable for many things. Personally I have regretted the fact that I spent so much money buying this problematic device and this because the cons are more than the pros. I'm talking about the known problems of screen allignment and freezing when in sleeping mode etc. Only these two factors are major drawbacks when u r speaking about pda phones. In my opinion HTC did not manage to fully "support" the device before put it on the market resulting the "bugs" now coming out one by one. I hope HTC will take seriously all these problems and fix them with the appropriate ROM..
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I fully agree. I also regretted the fact that I bought one...but luckily my reseller is giving me a refund. This device is rushed to market and not fully tested. I hope HTC has it QC better for the devices that will be released the next few weeks\months. I never...never...never had a device with this many bugs right out of the box. It even makes me agry because I paid almost 800 US dollar for this - and I am realy sorry to say - piece of garbage.
WM devices all the way.....
I had read this post previously but decided not to share my opinion as I haven't had the pleasure of evaluating the new P990i. But on reading over some of the posts on this thread I thought it suitable to do so now.
I have previously owned a P800, P900, K750i from SE and an XDAIIi, XDA mini, Universal, Vario, Prophet and now a VarioII. So whilst I have had much experience of owning & using these devices, I am by no means professing to be any kind of expert.
IMHO, based on my personal experiences and frustrations of getting to grips with Windows mobile devices and their buggy ROMs, I still believe that they are the best convergance devices out there. In short:
Cons:
1. Always buggy ROMs/software and incompatibility across avrious applications.
2. Too many releases of newer and better devices, only shortly after everyone has bought in to the current one, leading me to believe that I've been conned, yet I always buy into it again.
3. Lousy support from manufacturers (even worse if bought on contract-network providers branded phones).
4. The frustration of petitioning and waiting for manufacturers and software devlopers to rectify their incomplete software (sometimes a big part of the reason for purchasing certain hardware/phones).
Pros:
1. No other platform offers as much personal customisation, modification and the ability to update your software/ROM as Windows mobile devices.
2. This point really ties in with the first; closest and most compatible format to Windows PC O/S, in my opinion. providing your not a Mac user!!
3. If you have the time (most people don't) to invest in resolving all issues that affect you (not including defective hardware), you will end up with a nigh on perfect device for your purposes (within reason of course).
That said, my list of Pros don't seem to be too extensive do they? That's because, for me, they encompass all I personally need.
For me the TyTN/VarioII is slowly but definately becoming a very reliable and stable device. As a matter of fact, it already is! I just have one gripe about video playback performance using a 3rd party appl, but that is also being resolved by the developers as we speak, but it didn't happen overnight and not without perseverance on my behalf. Hence the reason why WM devices are not for everyone.
If you click on my name and read all of my boring posts (no funny comments please), you will find that there has been a teething period for all my devices and a fair share of frustration and dissapointment on my behalf too, but I stuck with them all until they gave me virtually no problems. Then the next best thing came out and I moved on to the next challenge or toy.
Bottom line for me is: Does my current device meet my immediate needs? Yeah, pretty much most high end phones do that.
But for longevity: Is my current device versatile enough (in terms of features), configurable/modifyable/adaptable and compatible with my PC and my hobbies. Yes Yes Yes. Nothing else even comes close for me. The TyTN, in my opinion, may be a buggy device for many, but not for many others. I have no major issues at all. I use wi-fi everyday without issue. I use HSDPA several times a week and whilst I'm not always able to achieve my highest 1.4 Mbps, I now usually achieve a minimum of over 800kbps in poor reception areas. I have not had any screen alignment issues at all, no sticky keys, no dropped calls or poor quality calls (& I only get one bar signal where I live & work), but I do suffer from occasional lock-ups (mostly due to my impatience when multi-tasking) but no more than 1 or 2 a fortnight. Battery life is pretty good given my wi-fi usage. I charge every night (by choice or habbit) but actually don't need to charge until the end of the next day. TomTom GPS works like a charm as does bluetooth and basically everything else I do with it. Camera is not the best out there, by a long shot, but it is pretty good for day shots.
There's too much to mention. I guess the Pros list just grew!!
Im by no means an advocate or employee of Microsoft either, but they just happen to produce what I want and I'm prepared to take out the time to tweak these things to MY liking.
If like me, you're this way enclined, you won't regret moving back to WM, especially the TyTN, providing you don't get a dodgy one like many seemed to have done.
I put my money where my mouth is;
Wifes Phone: Universal (MDA Pro, not my old JasJar)
Daughter 1's Phone: Hurricane smartphone (poor support from manufacturers though)
Daughter 2's Phone: Prophet (my previous device)
Son 1's PPC: HP iPAQ rx 3715
All devices are running on different ROMs than the ones they were shipped with, and none of them have any issues at all. TyTN beats the Universal hands down (well except for the VGA screen).
Hope this helps.
When my airtime contract came up for renewal, I waited for the P990, but was sorely disappointed when it arrived. In my opinion its an excellent piece of hardware but severely let-down by the software. This was compounded by operator firmware that came with the device that was not subject to the normal Sony Ericsson firmware updates. The phone was therefore very buggy and I just couldn't live with the instability and inflexibility/lack of customisation of the OS and software. Also, in my opinion, due to the P990 coming so late to market it is likely to be superseded sooner rather than later (there are rumours of a replacement in Q1 2007).
I returned my P990 and got a 1605 instead - it was a good choice. If I hadn't waited for the P990 I could've got the TyTN when it was released! Anyway, I so far have had no issues with my 1605 and have loaded it with a whole bunch of software and got it to function in the exact way I want. OK, the camera is not so good on the TyTN and the screen has only 65k colours (the P990 has 250k) but I can live with that. In my opinion, you might want to bear in mind the P990 is more of a phone and the TyTN is more of a PDA.
Another plus for the TyTN is the syncing software (very important to me). Overall, ActiveSync is fairly stable and I think it performs extremely consistently when syncing, i.e. exactly the same items appear in the PPC as they do in Outlook. The Sony Ericsson software is a mess. They took the old xtnd connect software (I think that's what it was called) then tacked on module after module to get it to do what they wanted. This resulted in crappy product that conflicts with other software (e.g. WIDCOMM) and multiple installation issues and doesn't even sync well - there are still bugs left over from the days of the P800 (I won't deal them here).
I am very happy with my TyTN. Fingers crossed I won't get the screen alignment issue that appears commonplace. Personally, I think the TyTN wipes the floor with the P990 as far as functionality goes. (Before the P990 I was a diehard SE fanboy!).
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You could ask your friend WHY he wants to trade. Does his TyTN have the famous Screen- and keyboardproblems, does it have a weak WiFi section, does the keyboard slide in and out to easy and\or has he trouble with the stylus?
I had 3 TyTN (up to version HT633) and ALL had serious problems. And remember the screenalignment can make thet TyTN unusable at times.
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>Well, actually, she wants to trade it because it is a pocket PC phone. SHe had not problem with it at all. She just prefers a symbian phone as opposed to a pocket PC one.
Ce said:
I fully agree. I also regretted the fact that I bought one...but luckily my reseller is giving me a refund. This device is rushed to market and not fully tested. I hope HTC has it QC better for the devices that will be released the next few weeks\months. I never...never...never had a device with this many bugs right out of the box. It even makes me agry because I paid almost 800 US dollar for this - and I am realy sorry to say - piece of garbage.
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>What unit are you using now?
Slider758 said:
When my airtime contract came up for renewal, I waited for the P990, but was sorely disappointed when it arrived. In my opinion its an excellent piece of hardware but severely let-down by the software. This was compounded by operator firmware that came with the device that was not subject to the normal Sony Ericsson firmware updates. The phone was therefore very buggy and I just couldn't live with the instability and inflexibility/lack of customisation of the OS and software. Also, in my opinion, due to the P990 coming so late to market it is likely to be superseded sooner rather than later (there are rumours of a replacement in Q1 2007).
I returned my P990 and got a 1605 instead - it was a good choice. If I hadn't waited for the P990 I could've got the TyTN when it was released! Anyway, I so far have had no issues with my 1605 and have loaded it with a whole bunch of software and got it to function in the exact way I want. OK, the camera is not so good on the TyTN and the screen has only 65k colours (the P990 has 250k) but I can live with that. In my opinion, you might want to bear in mind the P990 is more of a phone and the TyTN is more of a PDA.
Another plus for the TyTN is the syncing software (very important to me). Overall, ActiveSync is fairly stable and I think it performs extremely consistently when syncing, i.e. exactly the same items appear in the PPC as they do in Outlook. The Sony Ericsson software is a mess. They took the old xtnd connect software (I think that's what it was called) then tacked on module after module to get it to do what they wanted. This resulted in crappy product that conflicts with other software (e.g. WIDCOMM) and multiple installation issues and doesn't even sync well - there are still bugs left over from the days of the P800 (I won't deal them here).
I am very happy with my TyTN. Fingers crossed I won't get the screen alignment issue that appears commonplace. Personally, I think the TyTN wipes the floor with the P990 as far as functionality goes. (Before the P990 I was a diehard SE fanboy!).
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>I totally agree with you. The P990i is a bit clunky and clumsy especially when in comes to synching.
Thanks
mackaby007 said:
I had read this post previously but decided not to share my opinion as I haven't had the pleasure of evaluating the new P990i. But on reading over some of the posts on this thread I thought it suitable to do so now.
I have previously owned a P800, P900, K750i from SE and an XDAIIi, XDA mini, Universal, Vario, Prophet and now a VarioII. So whilst I have had much experience of owning & using these devices, I am by no means professing to be any kind of expert.
IMHO, based on my personal experiences and frustrations of getting to grips with Windows mobile devices and their buggy ROMs, I still believe that they are the best convergance devices out there. In short:
Cons:
1. Always buggy ROMs/software and incompatibility across avrious applications.
2. Too many releases of newer and better devices, only shortly after everyone has bought in to the current one, leading me to believe that I've been conned, yet I always buy into it again.
3. Lousy support from manufacturers (even worse if bought on contract-network providers branded phones).
4. The frustration of petitioning and waiting for manufacturers and software devlopers to rectify their incomplete software (sometimes a big part of the reason for purchasing certain hardware/phones).
Pros:
1. No other platform offers as much personal customisation, modification and the ability to update your software/ROM as Windows mobile devices.
2. This point really ties in with the first; closest and most compatible format to Windows PC O/S, in my opinion. providing your not a Mac user!!
3. If you have the time (most people don't) to invest in resolving all issues that affect you (not including defective hardware), you will end up with a nigh on perfect device for your purposes (within reason of course).
That said, my list of Pros don't seem to be too extensive do they? That's because, for me, they encompass all I personally need.
For me the TyTN/VarioII is slowly but definately becoming a very reliable and stable device. As a matter of fact, it already is! I just have one gripe about video playback performance using a 3rd party appl, but that is also being resolved by the developers as we speak, but it didn't happen overnight and not without perseverance on my behalf. Hence the reason why WM devices are not for everyone.
If you click on my name and read all of my boring posts (no funny comments please), you will find that there has been a teething period for all my devices and a fair share of frustration and dissapointment on my behalf too, but I stuck with them all until they gave me virtually no problems. Then the next best thing came out and I moved on to the next challenge or toy.
Bottom line for me is: Does my current device meet my immediate needs? Yeah, pretty much most high end phones do that.
But for longevity: Is my current device versatile enough (in terms of features), configurable/modifyable/adaptable and compatible with my PC and my hobbies. Yes Yes Yes. Nothing else even comes close for me. The TyTN, in my opinion, may be a buggy device for many, but not for many others. I have no major issues at all. I use wi-fi everyday without issue. I use HSDPA several times a week and whilst I'm not always able to achieve my highest 1.4 Mbps, I now usually achieve a minimum of over 800kbps in poor reception areas. I have not had any screen alignment issues at all, no sticky keys, no dropped calls or poor quality calls (& I only get one bar signal where I live & work), but I do suffer from occasional lock-ups (mostly due to my impatience when multi-tasking) but no more than 1 or 2 a fortnight. Battery life is pretty good given my wi-fi usage. I charge every night (by choice or habbit) but actually don't need to charge until the end of the next day. TomTom GPS works like a charm as does bluetooth and basically everything else I do with it. Camera is not the best out there, by a long shot, but it is pretty good for day shots.
There's too much to mention. I guess the Pros list just grew!!
Im by no means an advocate or employee of Microsoft either, but they just happen to produce what I want and I'm prepared to take out the time to tweak these things to MY liking.
If like me, you're this way enclined, you won't regret moving back to WM, especially the TyTN, providing you don't get a dodgy one like many seemed to have done.
I put my money where my mouth is;
Wifes Phone: Universal (MDA Pro, not my old JasJar)
Daughter 1's Phone: Hurricane smartphone (poor support from manufacturers though)
Daughter 2's Phone: Prophet (my previous device)
Son 1's PPC: HP iPAQ rx 3715
All devices are running on different ROMs than the ones they were shipped with, and none of them have any issues at all. TyTN beats the Universal hands down (well except for the VGA screen).
Hope this helps.
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Totally! Thanks! I am beginning to miss WM. After reading your post, I am now more inclined to get the tytn. I just hope that you guys would help me get out of a rut should I get in to one
How bad is the screen alignment bug?
What is the screen alignment bug? How bad is it and has it been resolved?
Search the forums as there is a large thread on the issue but in short, it was mainly, and I emphasise mainly early models of the TyTN that had issues with screen alignment and sticky keyboard keys.
However, some users are still coming across the problem, but this is at times due to them getting an early model that has just been in stock.
But like anything, its always the bad/troublesome experiences you will hear about more then the good points. Ive set-up and purchased 7 of these devices for friends and a business (due to them not being sold in AU until this week) and none of those have had issues or complaits. But I would be questioning why your friend wants to trade still.
Welcome back to WM...
@Deadman:
of course we'll help you if u run into problems. that's what we all do here, as you know, being a WM man at heart. Welcome back.
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Search the forums as there is a large thread on the issue but in short, it was mainly, and I emphasise mainly early models of the TyTN that had issues with screen alignment and sticky keyboard keys.
However, some users are still coming across the problem, but this is at times due to them getting an early model that has just been in stock.
But like anything, its always the bad/troublesome experiences you will hear about more then the good points. Ive set-up and purchased 7 of these devices for friends and a business (due to them not being sold in AU until this week) and none of those have had issues or complaits. But I would be questioning why your friend wants to trade still.
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She's just more comfortable with symbian (UIQ phones) than PPC, I guess.
Have to agree with the general opinion. I have a vario II and my brother in law has a P990i. The P990 is a great device, but at the moment he is really suffering from software availability for UIQ 3.0
Thanks guys.
I have seen the light
I have seen the error of my ways and will rturn to my beloved PPC/MS based PPC
just another thing I thought I'd point out - I'm a member of the esato forum, and it seems a lot of die hard SE fans have picked the Tytn over the p990. I chose the tytn for the keyboard, apps available, hsdpa, and the cheaper price. Tytns are going for around £280 compared to the p990s £400.
I think your "friend" is trying to make a quick buck
Yep, I agree wholly with the above 2 posts, no point writing it all out again!
I have received news from a tester of the T-Mobile Ameo, that it will be delayed in its release, due to the Units displaying significant problems in battery drain in connection to the mechanical HDD. Apparently the units will be recalled to HTC to have the HDD replaced with flash memory to overcome the issues encountered by many users. Not sure how accurate this information is, but I personally know and trust the tester in question. Whilst he reports that the X7500 is blisteringly fast, he also states that the battery consumption is so appalling that one would not get through a days use of the unit, and that stated talk time of the X7500 is currently well below what is stated/expected.
He also indicated that HTC are considering recalling all units already sold in their various guises. Suppose we will have to wait and see. Looks like a few months of delay at the least with a probability with the Ameo shipping with WM6 Professional.
After all that waiting. Crying or Very sad Well I'd rather buy a fully functioning bit of hardware. This always was a point of weariness on my behalf due to my experience of the SGH-i300 with a mechanical HDD, which was ultimately one of the main reasons for getting rid of it......power consumption!!
I have recently changed the title of this thread due to fellow member, Wu, pointing out to me that the old title was confusing. Thankyou Wu.
mackaby007 said:
I have received news from a tester of the T-Mobile Ameo, that it will be delayed in its release, due to the Units displaying significant problems in battery drain in connection to the mechanical HDD. Apparently the units will be recalled to HTC to have the HDD replaced with flash memory to overcome the issues encountered by many users. Not sure how accurate this information is, but I personally know and trust the tester in question. Whilst he reports that the X7500 is blisteringly fast, he also states that the battery consumption is so appalling that one would not get through a days use of the unit, and that stated talk time of the X7500 is currently well below what is stated/expected.
He also indicated that HTC are considering recalling all units already sold in their various guises. Suppose we will have to wait and see. Looks like a few months of delay at the least with a probability with the Ameo shipping with WM6 Professional.
After all that waiting. Crying or Very sad Well I'd rather buy a fully functioning bit of hardware. This always was a point of weariness on my behalf due to my experience of the SGH-i300 with a mechanical HDD, which was ultimately one of the main reasons for getting rid of it......power consumption!!
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HAHA))))
it still not comming to shop, but it recalled)
it is very funny
mackaby007 said:
I have received news from a tester of the T-Mobile Ameo, that it will be delayed in its release, due to the Units displaying significant problems in battery drain in connection to the mechanical HDD. Apparently the units will be recalled to HTC to have the HDD replaced with flash memory to overcome the issues encountered by many users. Not sure how accurate this information is, but I personally know and trust the tester in question. Whilst he reports that the X7500 is blisteringly fast, he also states that the battery consumption is so appalling that one would not get through a days use of the unit, and that stated talk time of the X7500 is currently well below what is stated/expected.
He also indicated that HTC are considering recalling all units already sold in their various guises. Suppose we will have to wait and see. Looks like a few months of delay at the least with a probability with the Ameo shipping with WM6 Professional.
After all that waiting. Crying or Very sad Well I'd rather buy a fully functioning bit of hardware. This always was a point of weariness on my behalf due to my experience of the SGH-i300 with a mechanical HDD, which was ultimately one of the main reasons for getting rid of it......power consumption!!
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I will phone my HTC contact this wednesday and see what he says. He is the senior enginner in HTC Head office so the infor he gives me should be pretty accurate.
For the battery part, i am very happy about it, the user of DOPOD has reported that the battery is very good, personally, i turn on Bluetooth all day, device is connect to 3G 24 hours and the screen is never off. So even when i attach my keyboard to DOPOD, my screen is still on. This allow me to use my device for whole day without charging.
I am very happy about the battery.
With WM6, i thought some member here has report Athena will com with WM6 upgrade when it's available, i think that might be true, because that's what i heard in 3GSM as well.
Ok, i have just spoke to my HTC contact, he say he hasn't hear anything about recalling the HTC device, he wasn't sure about Amoe since that invlove with the T-mobile, but for HTC Advantage, he say there is a delay on the release date, the reason beening ROM not totally complete yet, he say the Rom has some bugs which need to be fix. But it should be out in april sometimes.
Funny enough, he also say last week a senior enginner from DOPOD came by to HTC office to meet with their manager, he is guessing HTC is calling for help from DOPOD, since Dopod have finish their Rom already.
For the battery part, not sure about Ameo, but they have run benchmark on the battery for testing, and the result are very good, but at the end, it will depend on how you use your device.
I have ask him to keep an eye on this info, and will report it here if i hear anything more
All X7500 still being released..too much invested..
I wasn't happy with what I heard and pressed my friend for more info. According to his sources (since Thursday, when I last spoke to him), HTC will now most probably NOT recall the units they have branded for T-Mobile and their Sister company Dopod.
The problem apparently is not so much the consumption side of the HDD (even though it does drain heavily compared to SD cards), but the way the HDD was implemented. It is not very shock proof at all. Supposedly vigorous shaking has resulted in 'knocking the HDD out' as I was told, meaning what exactly is still unclear in the sense that it will either become dislodged or stop functioning.
The problem is the way HTC integrated the HDD into the X7500. Apparently they stripped it down before attaching/soldering and fitting it into the housing, resulting in its physical instability. So not a hardware fault, but a design floor which may cause a hardware fault if the unit should be knocked or even suffer a bump (whilst using GPS) in a bumpy car. And there are supposed to be some hardware issues too, but not severe enough enough to stop its release. So we'll be the paying guinea pigs, while HTC perfect the next model which will definitely come with Flash memory and WM6.
Bottom line is that too much has been invested in the X7500, so its release will go on even it is a few weeks late. Taiwan already sell the Dopod, whilst Netherlands and Germany are already selling the Ameo. T-Mobile UK should be following soon as will the Advantage, but if you're buying.....expect some problems and an updated version by the end of the year, as Sony have plans of releasing a UMPC similar in appearance to the X7500 and HTC will be making serious design changes to their next UMPC-look-alike WM6 device.
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I wasn't happy with what I heard and pressed my friend for more info. According to his sources (since Thursday, when I last spoke to him), HTC will now most probably NOT recall the units they have branded for T-Mobile and their Sister company Dopod.
The problem apparently is not so much the consumption side of the HDD (even though it does drain heavily compared to SD cards), but the way the HDD was implemented. It is not very shock proof at all. Supposedly vigorous shaking has resulted in 'knocking the HDD out' as I was told, meaning what exactly is still unclear in the sense that it will either become dislodged or stop functioning.
The problem is the way HTC integrated the HDD into the X7500. Apparently they stripped it down before attaching/soldering and fitting it into the housing, resulting in its physical instability. So not a hardware fault, but a design floor which may cause a hardware fault if the unit should be knocked or even suffer a bump (whilst using GPS) in a bumpy car. And there are supposed to be some hardware issues too, but not severe enough enough to stop its release. So we'll be the paying guinea pigs, while HTC perfect the next model which will definitely come with Flash memory and WM6.
Bottom line is that too much has been invested in the X7500, so its release will go on even it is a few weeks late. Taiwan already sell the Dopod, whilst Netherlands and Germany are already selling the Ameo. T-Mobile UK should be following soon as will the Advantage, but if you're buying.....expect some problems and an updated version by the end of the year, as Sony have plans of releasing a UMPC similar in appearance to the X7500 and HTC will be making serious design changes to their next UMPC-look-alike WM6 device.
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I will try to confirm that with my HTC source, i think it make sense, HTC are not too good about writing ROM, that explain why they are asking for help from DOPOD. Anyway, i must say my DOPOD machine is running very smoothly, battery is amazing, and i have successfully change my today screen to total english, therefore i think DOPOD is a better option now for those who don't want the black one.
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I will try to confirm that with my HTC source, i think it make sense, HTC are not too good about writing ROM, that explain why they are asking for help from DOPOD. Anyway, i must say my DOPOD machine is running very smoothly, battery is amazing, and i have successfully change my today screen to total english, therefore i think DOPOD is a better option now for those who don't want the black one.
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Congrats your ur Dopod wu.
I'm glad you're having no issues with it so far. I'll be getting the Ameo despite its supposed shortcomings + insurance!! So what the hey?!?!
Agreed, HTC are new to ROM building, but they do now own Dopod, so I very much doubt that their ROM will lag behind Dopods especially if Dopod have to help them perfect the HTC ROM.
Who cares anyway? Soon enough we will have access to the most stable and fastest ROM and all versions of the X7500 will run exactly the same, as the hardware is the same.
My only concern now is the stablility of the HDD.
yes, Dopod is very better than Ameo and advantage
but problem is color it is silver
can paint it and change color to black or change the case?
I change my 7710 from silver to black with changing case
can it do with athena?
tanX
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yes, Dopod is very better than Ameo and advantage
but problem is color it is silver
can paint it and change color to black or change the case?
I change my 7710 from silver to black with changing case
can it do with athena?
tanX
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Arya...no disrespect intended, but what are you getting the X7500 for? It just seems that you are comparing so many devices with it, to the point of sounding confused. No device is perfect, nor will Man be able to make one.
You simply have to decide on which device meets your requirements according to market availability. For me it's the Ameo. Other devices due out soon have some specs that equal or better the Ameo in certain areas, but fall short in other areas.
Ameo all the way and if I encounter any of the problems I have been informed of, it will be insured and still under guarantee, so I won't worry unnecessarily.
So my advice to you would be to not think X7500 first, but what are my needs? Then decide on which device best suits you.
Arya said:
yes, Dopod is very better than Ameo and advantage
but problem is color it is silver
can paint it and change color to black or change the case?
I change my 7710 from silver to black with changing case
can it do with athena?
tanX
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Ask Indra how to do it. He should be available in the Universal forums.
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Arya...no disrespect intended, but what are you getting the X7500 for? It just seems that you are comparing so many devices with it, to the point of sounding confused. No device is perfect, nor will Man be able to make one.
You simply have to decide on which device meets your requirements according to market availability. For me it's the Ameo. Other devices due out soon have some specs that equal or better the Ameo in certain areas, but fall short in other areas.
Ameo all the way and if I encounter any of the problems I have been informed of, it will be insured and still under guarantee, so I won't worry unnecessarily.
So my advice to you would be to not think X7500 first, but what are my needs? Then decide on which device best suits you.
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That is very well say, agree with you there. Let's see if HTC can come up with a stable ROM (with the help from DOPOD). Hopefully they make their ROM right so they don't damage the HDD. After Advantage is out, we can then compare all the ROM and choose the best one and install.
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Arya...no disrespect intended, but what are you getting the X7500 for? It just seems that you are comparing so many devices with it, to the point of sounding confused. No device is perfect, nor will Man be able to make one.
You simply have to decide on which device meets your requirements according to market availability. For me it's the Ameo. Other devices due out soon have some specs that equal or better the Ameo in certain areas, but fall short in other areas.
Ameo all the way and if I encounter any of the problems I have been informed of, it will be insured and still under guarantee, so I won't worry unnecessarily.
So my advice to you would be to not think X7500 first, but what are my needs? Then decide on which device best suits you.
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I think and select x7500
i want a POCKET PC with BIG screen
with GPS and GOOD camera
FAST and POWER
with KEYBOARD to type very long SMS
LOUD speaker
with INFRARED
Athena has all of thing except Infrared
I want X7500 for it's color
I don't go for U1000 because it is now chinesse and if it available in English, maybe i get it
Ameo is locket and can't use
but i think now that i comming to get one athena, i get that i like color and ...
the ondy different in their is in COLOR and ROM and MATTERIAL. i think hardware is like eachother and one has problem other has it too
tanX and sorry for my long post
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Ask Indra how to do it. He should be available in the Universal forums.
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Why in universal forum?
Changing case of athena in Universal forum?!!!!!!11
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I have received news from a tester of the T-Mobile Ameo, that it will be delayed in its release...
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This is funny, I already own the T-Mobile Ameo for almost two weeks now, even before you posted this.
1. the battery life is pretty impressive for such a device, you can get through a working day with a couple of phone calls and internet surfing/playing around with the unit and the battery still shows 30% power left.
For some people this battery life may not be good enough, for me it is OK since I always charge my phone(s) over night anyway.
2. I "smashed" the Ameo several times on my office desk, on my bed, on my office chair, I carried it around all the time, even running with it in my pocket.
No problems at all with the HDD, especially since it uses a sensor which detects "acceleration"(drops, movements, etc.), so I highly doubt that there would be trouble, even if it isn't mounted properly.
Of course there will be an updated Ameo/X7500 by the end of this year, HTC puts out a lot of new units on the market, I would be surprised if they didn't.
I highly doubt that HTC would "allow" T-Mobile to acquire and sell defective Ameos, T-Mobile could easily make them responsible for defective units and this could cost HTC a lot of money.
I don't say this isn't true but I know how rumours and gossip is travelling the internet and although sometimes there is some truth behind all this talk, I would take it with a grain of salt.
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This is funny, I already own the T-Mobile Ameo for almost two weeks now, even before you posted this.
1. the battery life is pretty impressive for such a device, you can get through a working day with a couple of phone calls and internet surfing/playing around with the unit and the battery still shows 30% power left.
For some people this battery life may not be good enough, for me it is OK since I always charge my phone(s) over night anyway.
2. I "smashed" the Ameo several times on my office desk, on my bed, on my office chair, I carried it around all the time, even running with it in my pocket.
No problems at all with the HDD, especially since it uses a sensor which detects "acceleration"(drops, movements, etc.), so I highly doubt that there would be trouble, even if it isn't mounted properly.
Of course there will be an updated Ameo/X7500 by the end of this year, HTC puts out a lot of new units on the market, I would be surprised if they didn't.
I highly doubt that HTC would "allow" T-Mobile to acquire and sell defective Ameos, T-Mobile could easily make them responsible for defective units and this could cost HTC a lot of money.
I don't say this isn't true but I know how rumours and gossip is travelling the internet and although sometimes there is some truth behind all this talk, I would take it with a grain of salt.
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It's not the Ameo or Dopod u1000 being push back, it's the HTC Advantage, the Rom they wrote is causing Damage to the HDD. Ameo and DOPOD U1000 don't have this problem
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It's not the Ameo or Dopod u1000 being push back, it's the HTC Advantage, the Rom they wrote is causing Damage to the HDD. Ameo and DOPOD U1000 don't have this problem
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Oh boy...the HTC X7500 is the SAME THING, there is no hardware difference between the X7500 and the Ameo/U1000.
Since the X7500 isn't even on the market yet, all these speculations are what they are...speculations or most likely GOSSIP.
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Oh boy...the HTC X7500 is the SAME THING, there is no hardware difference between the X7500 and the Ameo/U1000.
Since the X7500 isn't even on the market yet, all these speculations are what they are...speculations or most likely GOSSIP.
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Man, it's not GOSSIP, i was one of the tester for HTC Advantage, i have been notify by HTC that the Rom has serious Bug on HDD handle. I also have contact of one of the most senior engineer in HTC. It has been confirm Advantage is being push back, just don't know how late it will be. If lucky, with the help of DOPOD, they might still get it out on time.
We all know there is no hardware difference, it's the ROM which makes the Advantage being push back........
p.s. mackaby007, you should change the post title, it's making some people confuse.
@P996
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Oh boy...the HTC X7500 is the SAME THING, there is no hardware difference between the X7500 and the Ameo/U1000.
Since the X7500 isn't even on the market yet, all these speculations are what they are...speculations or most likely GOSSIP.
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As nicely as you try to put it P996, what you say implies that either I, or whoever my source is are either foolish in speaking of these things or blatantly lying. It certainly is not gossip, as I have not heard this anywhere else. The fact that you nor anyone else that has bought it and yet hasn't experienced this problem, does not detract that some testers have come to be aware of this design/assembly flaw in the Athena that COULD cause the problems mentioned in my earlier thread and talks had taken place with T-Mobile UK with regards to returning the units (possible recalls for Germany & Netherlands). The fact that this will not be taking place can be attributed to certain facts; i.e.
1) Too much has already been invested in a product that is not guaranteed to go wrong.
2)The Athena is NOT faulty, it' implementation of the HDD unit is subject to vulnerability due to the way it was stripped down and mounted in the overall casing. NOT faulty.....hence NO Recall...Get IT P996??
3) Furthermore I sincerely doubt that you are truthful in your account of how many times or the extent to which you have knocked your brand new device about. Yes I'm implying that you are lying by exaggerating, to prove a point.
4) I'm still getting the Ameo despite the only vulnerability reported to me.
5) I was merely sharing pertinent information to anyone who like me wants to make well informed decisions about future expensive purchases...whether we like the negatives or not.
6) As stated before...(for those too lazy to read through all the Athena posts there aren't that many at present)...T-Mobile UK have not yet released the Ameo and the tester/testers in question are from the UK and extremely well qualified and known to me personally, so I trust what they tell me, but not without question.
7) The point wu raised about HTC's ROM damaging the HDD is a totally separate issue, but confirms that HTC are well aware of problems with their HDD, be it soft or hardware related.
Lastly it is very easy to look at the past posts of every member..therefore if you suspect a persons integrity, you should at least have the decency to check them out before implying that another member is a gossip-monger. Wanker!!
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As nicely as you try to put it P996, what you say implies that either I, or whoever my source is are either foolish in speaking of these things or blatantly lying. It certainly is not gossip, as I have not heard this anywhere else. The fact that you nor anyone else that has bought it and yet hasn't experienced this problem, does not detract that some testers have come to be aware of this design/assembly flaw in the Athena that COULD cause the problems mentioned in my earlier thread and talks had taken place with T-Mobile UK with regards to returning the units (possible recalls for Germany & Netherlands). The fact that this will not be taking place can be attributed to certain facts; i.e.
1) Too much has already been invested in a product that is not guaranteed to go wrong.
2)The Athena is NOT faulty, it' implementation of the HDD unit is subject to vulnerability due to the way it was stripped down and mounted in the overall casing. NOT faulty.....hence NO Recall...Get IT P996??
3) Furthermore I sincerely doubt that you are truthful in your account of how many times or the extent to which you have knocked your brand new device about. Yes I'm implying that you are lying by exaggerating, to prove a point.
4) I'm still getting the Ameo despite the only vulnerability reported to me.
5) I was merely sharing pertinent information to anyone who like me wants to make well informed decisions about future expensive purchases...whether we like the negatives or not.
6) As stated before...(for those too lazy to read through all the Athena posts there aren't that many at present)...T-Mobile UK have not yet released the Ameo and the tester/testers in question are from the UK and extremely well qualified and known to me personally, so I trust what they tell me, but not without question.
7) The point wu raised about HTC's ROM damaging the HDD is a totally separate issue, but confirms that HTC are well aware of problems with their HDD, be it soft or hardware related.
Lastly it is very easy to look at the past posts of every member..therefore if you suspect a persons integrity, you should at least have the decency to check them out before implying that another member is a gossip-monger. Wanker!!
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nicely say mackaby007, agree with you there.
Since i haven't tested the T-mobile Amoe, i don't know anything about it.
The HDD issue HTC Advantage is having is a software problem, to do with how their ROM handle the Micro Drive. So don't worry, when it comes out, it should have no problem, that's what they are working on now.
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nicely say mackaby007, agree with you there.
Since i haven't tested the T-mobile Amoe, i don't know anything about it.
The HDD issue HTC Advantage is having is a software problem, to do with how their ROM handle the Micro Drive. So don't worry, when it comes out, it should have no problem, that's what they are working on now.
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Thanks Wu. I agree with you completely and I've changed the title of the thread as you advised.
Hi,
now I have an old Nokia 6230 in combination with Mio P550. Nokia is pretty old, but so far ok for me (only thing I really hate is that I cannot sort my contact list in groups as I want to) and I'm using Mio mainly for navigation (i-Go) and synchronization of my calendar and tasks. Now the time has come to change my mobile phone.
New phone will be from Orange (under contract) and consider two possibilities.
1. sell Nokia and Mio and buy Orange M3100 (SK)
2. stick with Mio and buy Nokia 6233 (or maybe E50, but not sure I want Symbian, WM is better)
Pos:
1. all-in-one, WM platform, keyboard
2. built-in GPS, all my phones are Nokia, so I have all equipment I need, price (difference is 450euro, but something will come back if I sell Mio)
Neg:
1. no working built-in GPS, need to buy BT GPS receiver, price
2. two devices and Nokia has now really troubles to get out some no-bug fw for this phone
I have read all topics related to M3100 on this forum. This is great device, but there is big chance, that something will go wrong (e.g. loosing GSM signal and muting issue). I'm confident I will not update the ROM in this device in first few months because Orange will not allow me to do it without loosing warranty.
So the big question. Shall I buy M3100? How big is the chance I will have really big issues? Are there some S/N ranges, revisions, that I should not buy?
Thanks for any info .
buy it
.
Very tempting to say
Don't buy it!
But that would just put you back to a bit of a dilemma.
Bear in mind that the majority of posts here are from those that have had problems. Very few people make posts to say hey my e-mail is working or I always manage to take a good picture etc etc. So reading here would make you believe there is hardly a device that works properly.
Most folks probably get along just fine, but I would say that there are a number of tweaks and settings that should be done as standard on this device and then a full backup so you can restore at the drop of a hat as and when you do face a problem.
Your other consideration might be to wait for the Kaiser say, though that could be a while and initial pricing could be very high. Also newly released devices are a challenge for the ROM Gurus but everyday users should wait for several months after initial release and problems are ironed out.
I've got mine working just fine now, but I still get the odd freeze every couple of weeks - I backup a lot so not a great problem in my view.
Mike
Thanks mikechannon.
I'm around on Internet for some time, so I know that mainly complaitns can be found on boards. Satisfied users are not searching boards like this to tell us that everything is ok. They have no need. That is why I asked "How big is the chance I will have really big issues?". Guys here are working with this device on advanced level and can tell me more in few words as an regular user.
At this moment I'm 80% sure I will take it. I feel in me something like "dream comes true" . And I don't know why, it's missing working build-in GPS and big screen with 640x480 (joke). I have still one week to make final decision. Today I sent email to Orange to know more about the device (ROM version, etc.), hopefully Orange will responde quickly. If there is big chance (nothing is for 100%) nothing will brake down I will buy it
I decided to wait couple of months since I was not entire sure.
After two weeks I finally received reply from Orange. There will be probably no official update to WM6 and I'm not allowed to use any unofficial firmware without loosing warranty (so nothing new). There was only one useful information in entire email. Software in M3100 is version 14.123.8.783. But I was not able to find anything with this number. Is this real or Orange sent me something that is not useful?
I have my M3100 for four months now without any issues. You can check these faulty batches here. Only problem I have had so far is low in-call volume, but I think that is dependant on the OS. If you are sure that is what you need then go for it. Veľa šťastia.
I went from a xda 2i to hermes and not regretted it. I plucked up nerve to install black 2.0 (very happy with it) and if it goes wrong just put original wm5 rom back on it.
As for the gps thing, ebay has some cheap bt recievers and you can use them on any other phone you buy in the future (on my 4th phone with same reciever)
Orange SPV 3100 straight out of the box isn't that great.
I've totally customised mine, and everything works great. My biggest problem were the usb headphones/handsfree, which I have now hacked to accept 3.5mm headphones.
The biggest problem, which is out of my hands, is the camera. Completely useless at night time/poor lighting. Other than that, I am very happy... size, weight, battery life and speed are just fine.
Go for it if you think you can customise it.
(BTW, I am using the OS straight out of the box, so no firmware updates (although I will be unlocking it soon))
if you can wait a little bit then i'd look at getting the kaiser once that's out.
if not get the 3100 now and with the help of this place you'll get it working the way it should. imo wm6 is a must
KarhU - what was the original ROM version in your device?
DeanJ - well, I can wait (till Xmas) . But what will be the price and will Orange have its own clone?
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KarhU - what was the original ROM version in your device?
DeanJ - well, I can wait (till Xmas) . But what will be the price and will Orange have its own clone?
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I do not know for sure (it did not stay there for long ), but I think it was that ROM (it has the same Radio I had and the same bootloader as well, also OS version is the same) and this Ext ROM. All the versions of Hermes available in Slovakia are not localized.
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DeanJ - well, I can wait (till Xmas) . But what will be the price and will Orange have its own clone?
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well its expected to be released june/july by htc from the last i read but if orange will brand it who knows, it seams a logical step and it just depends what built in gps and a thiner device means to you really. as for the price it'll prob be the same as the 3100 when it was first released, i dont know what that was as i got my hermes from t-mobile
Out of the box experience for the m3100...had to kid myself everything was running ok, it was slow and pretty sluggish, not amazing by any stretch! Quite a bit faster upgrading to WM6, however you're always on your toes anticipating the next crash/freeze!
I would recommend getting one. I always have mine with me and I couldn't be without it. It really is the best device on the market!!!!
Had my M3100 since December last year. Best handset I have ever had from Orange. Add this to www.xda-developers.com and you have powerfull combination. I have tried just about all the english WM5 roms and most of the WM6 ones too. If you follow all the tips, instructions & advice etc in the WIKIs you can't go far wrong! Take time to read and search! I am currently running Black Version 2.0, personal and company IMAP e-mail setup on it, along with TomTom 6 and various other apps. Bottom line, go get one!!!!
i have been using a 3100 now for months with no problems at all,,,i have upgraded to black version 2.0 with i only did for fun and everything is great...
go buy one now !!!
So, I have an offer for SPV. The s/n is starting with 357. How old is it? In wiki I found only 6xx and 7xx.
It's home . Now I need to search for some good applications to work with phone, contacts and messages .
Hi all,
I'm thinking of getting a second-hand Hermes (JasJam) to replace my rw6828 (Atom clone), which has developed a power-drain issue. I was just wondering if there are any known faults or pitfalls that are common in second-hand Hermes devices which I should steer clear of?
Cheers!
1). Whitescreen - there are MANY causes and not many solutions.... could be just one thing or a factor of things so Don't recommend any phones with whitescreen...
2). No GSM - most likely unfixable... There are NO surefire fixes as yet and this is a BIG thing to steer clear of...
So saying, I bought 2 Jasjams off ebay and both worked... There was supposed to be something wrong with both but they were in pretty good shape. So much so that I ended up cannibalizing the old Jasjam I meant to fix.
Just read the fine print, make sure you get ALL that you need, battey and back cover (there have been a couple I looked at that didn't have these, pain in the arse to get it then not be able to do anything because of this).
Happy Hunting....
Cheers...
The first devices had a screen alignment problem, which made a frequent recalibration of the touchscreen necessary. Even HTC confirmed this bug - it's a hardware problem.
A very good start is this list:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Problems
Ask for the S/N before you buy or for the specific problems mentioned in the list.
Recent Hermes models have transmissive displays. This could turn out to be a big problem in case you plan to use your phone outdoors.
Cheers for the posts guys. I decided to steer away from the Hermes and grabbed myself an as-new Elfin instead. Thanks for the help and advice!