storage cards?? - 8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General

Hi I got my first mini s xda aboot 2 months ago at same time I bought a san disk 2Gb card for it of ebay the phone developed a hite screen and had to go back to o2 they sent a "replacment"!! 2 days later the memory card stoped working even in a card reader would not work, so I ordered another of ebay now after 3 weeks this card is no sayin it is full and ill do nothing in the phone or through the card reader.
Are there problems with these cards or could it be my xda at fault?
cheers

I did bought a scandisk 2go and I don't have any issues... a friend of mine get a Kingston 2Go and no issues either...
Is your ROM up to date?

yes I have the latest rom the only thing is ive been reading that there are a lot of FAKE san disks on ebay maybe I have one of them. I just dont ant to buy another card incase its the phone at fault and I ruin another 40 quid

ya you have to be careful on ebay cus i have seen cards that have been rebranded which say 1gb but the card is only 16mb they just change the writing.

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Sandisk Wi-Fi SD Card

Does somebody know if Sandisk not selling this card anymore? I bought my card in mars 2005 and now is it broken so I went out to differnt computer stores and they have never heard about this card. And the guys in the store I bought the card of was confused because they also never heard about the card and they couldn't get me a new one..
look here for a store that will ship to sweden or look in a simalar swedish site maybe expansys ?
http://www.edbpriser.dk/Listproduct...=&Equal140=&Equal643=&Submit.x=23&Submit.y=12
Rudegar said:
look here for a store that will ship to sweden or look in a simalar swedish site maybe expansys ?
http://www.edbpriser.dk/Listproduct...=&Equal140=&Equal643=&Submit.x=23&Submit.y=12
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But my question was if sandisk no longer manufacture the card becuase you can't buy it on their site? And no stores doesn't have it anymore.
Sandisk
Is that the card you're looking for ?
http://www.sandisk.com/retail/c-wifi-sd.asp
I'd like to buy it too, but it seems they're not selling it anymore... Strange... It was there a month ago.
As far as I know this card was not compatible with Himalaya
it's the wifi + sdram card which dont work on himalaya the pure wifi card work ok
and he's signature say that he have a magician so i'm pretty sure that it works with wifi +sdram

XDA IIi SD Card problems - is this true?

This site claims that there are problems with the sd card slot in the 2i - and the symptoms that they give seem very similar to the ones I am experiencing. Can anyone confirm or deny this? And if its true is there anyway of getting around it?
Thanks
http://www.digireader.com/view_blog.asp?blog_id=208&author_id=2
as i long user of the 2i I can say without a doubt there is a problem with the sd cards as i suffered for over 3 months or more of pure frustration and almost throwing the thing away .
but in the end it was down to the sd card speed ,it doesn't really matter what size you have but it's the speed of the card at the moment i am using a 512 transcend 80X card and it has been running perfectly for the past 4 months or so without any problems .there have been plenty people who have now tried the transcend card and found it to be well 1 of the best so i would recomend you buying 1 of these asap ,if you do a google you should find a place selling 1 of these but just make sure it's has a speed of 80x or else you will have the same problems ..also if you wish to get a bigger card the 1meg works okas well
Hmm, I can't say I'm at all happy with that. I have now borrowed a 512mb card and magically all my problems disappear. its the same make and model as my 1gb card so I can't see its a brand issue.
Are o2 aware of the problem? If they are then I think they're breaking the law by continuing to sell the thing.
Does the problem exist with the 2s as well? If not I might go back to o2 and insist they swap it over...
Thanks for your reply
Hi.
I've had an XDA IIi for a few months and had lots of problems with the phone freezing (especially with tomtom 5). The problems got noticeably worse when using "turbo" mode too.
I emailed tomtom for help with navigator and the strange locking up. After a month, they replied to me and said that the pda must use 80x cards or faster... i bought an 150x 2Gb card and haven't looked back...
The phone can now do it all... i use ttn5 with traffic addon whilst driving and use pocket music to play mp3s at the same time and i'm still able to answer the phone to accept calls...
the only problem i've had with a 2Gb SD-Card is that i can ONLY read/write it in the XDA IIi - no other PDA will touch it and no card reader will recognise it.
dango99 said:
Hi.
i bought an 150x 2Gb card and haven't looked back...
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What brand is your card?
Having already sprung for a 1Gb card I'd hate to have to spend out again becasue of inadequacies in the xda hardware... however if it was an upgrade to 2Gb I might be able to better justify it.
Perhaps this info about card speeds should be posted in the FAQ so that new users have at least some warning of the 2i's problems with SD...
mine is an "a-data" myflash 2gb from here: www.emartbuy.com
£91.65 inc VAT
hope this helps you!
Dan
I would just like to say thanks for this topic, the two problems i've had with the PDA2 (XDAIIi) since i got it earlier this year have been fixed by taking out my 60 speed 1gb sd card.
problem 1: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=136972
problem 2: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=166348

4 GB Mini SD durability poll

Hello all,
I used a 4 gb mini sd for around 4 months without any serious issues (soft reset fixed everything for me.) Then, out of nowhere, the card just became unreadable. Couldn't access any data from it and I couldn't even reformat it. Completely dead.
So I started poking around about 4gb cards and found (like I probably should have done before I bought the card) that the current mini SD standard stops at 2gb. These "4GB" cards are really 2gb cards that have been hacked and reformatted to 4gb. Now, apparently this works, but drastically shortens the card's shelf life. It is said that most of them die within a few months, if they last that long.
I just wanted to post a poll regarding this issue. Hope this is of interest to everyone.
psargent said:
Hello all,
I used a 4 gb mini sd for around 4 months without any serious issues (soft reset fixed everything for me.) Then, out of nowhere, the card just became unreadable. Couldn't access any data from it and I couldn't even reformat it. Completely dead.
So I started poking around about 4gb cards and found (like I probably should have done before I bought the card) that the current mini SD standard stops at 2gb. These "4GB" cards are really 2gb cards that have been hacked and reformatted to 4gb. Now, apparently this works, but drastically shortens the card's shelf life. It is said that most of them die within a few months, if they last that long.
I just wanted to post a poll regarding this issue. Hope this is of interest to everyone.
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Well if what you are saying is true, then shouldn't the same apply to SD cards? I had used a 4gb SD card for 2 years in my Magician and Prophet without a problem...I think it was a Transcend.
Matterhorn said:
Well if what you are saying is true, then shouldn't the same apply to SD cards? I had used a 4gb SD card for 2 years in my Magician and Prophet without a problem...I think it was a Transcend.
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I think it does apply to standard size SD cards too:
I looked at the Sandisk site and the only 4 gig cards that were being sold were listed as SDHC. Nothing on the official site over 2gb that wasn't high capacity. I was able to track down the Trancend card you were talking about from a reseller (and numerous other ones including Ebay) however, if you go to the official Transcend site you see that there are no standard SD cards in a 4gb size.
This leads me to believe that the info I have been reading regarding this is correct. If the manufacturers are really putting out 4gb cards, why are they not on their official websites?
But the point remains that these 4gb cards (hacked or not) do indeed work in the Trinity (as well as other devices.) It's just for how long that is the question. I just want to find out with what regularity these cards dying so we can judge whether or not it is a worthy risk to buy one and trust our precious data to it.
Matterhorn, I appreciate you relaying your experience with the 4gb standard SD card. Perhaps the hacking and reformatting is more stable in the standard size as compared to the mini version? Hopefully this poll will help us figure it out.
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Matterhorn, I appreciate you relaying your experience with the 4gb standard SD card. Perhaps the hacking and reformatting is more stable in the standard size as compared to the mini version? Hopefully this poll will help us figure it out.
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The label on the 4gb SD Transcend looks exactly like the official Transcend color scheme. The card itself is in blue plastic and the label is in vibrant colors with Transcend, 150x, and 4GB written on the label. I believe this is the same one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208086. It also has a serial number stamped on the back. I really don't think it is a fake Transcend.
My Topram 4gb miniSD continues to faithfully work in my Trinity. I don't know anything about this ebay vendor, this link is just for info http://item.express.ebay.com/TOPRAM...320102528838QQihZ011QQtrZexpQQcmdZExpressItem. It came packaged like an authentic card, some others have no professional packaging. Perhaps it will give up one day, if it does I'll report it right away. I know there has been quite a few people stating that their miniSD cards have quit on them, which I'm sure is true, but I can't help but believe that the squeaky wheel gets the grease, meaning that people that have no problems with their cards are less likely to post results.
I've been using a 4gb card in my Trinity for about a month now.
Gave me a few problems with Media player at one stage. The MSME files for the library dissappeared and I couldnt get them deleted to fix the media library problem.
Put the card in my desktop reader and suddenly they appeared again!!
Since then - no probs. Have it well filled up with mixeded media and prog files.
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The label on the 4gb SD Transcend looks exactly like the official Transcend color scheme. The card itself is in blue plastic and the label is in vibrant colors with Transcend, 150x, and 4GB written on the label. I believe this is the same one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208086. It also has a serial number stamped on the back. I really don't think it is a fake Transcend.
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I know I sound like a conspiracy theorist, but this still doesn't account for why 4gb standard SD (non-HC) cards are not on the company's official website.
psargent said:
Hello all,
So I started poking around about 4gb cards and found (like I probably should have done before I bought the card) that the current mini SD standard stops at 2gb. These "4GB" cards are really 2gb cards that have been hacked and reformatted to 4gb. Now, apparently this works, but drastically shortens the card's shelf life. It is said that most of them die within a few months, if they last that long.
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Wouldnt it stand to reason that if they were 2gb cards "hacked" to 4gb they wouldnt have the capability to store 4gb worth of data? What you are inferring is the "Tardis" effect. Bigger on the inside than the outside which to my knowledge is not currently possible. A bit like having a normal sized mini car with 7 MPV seats inside. I think is just a matter of intermittent hardware to hardware clash/incompatibility not a 2gb hack.
Must admit,have suffered from the card corruption syndrome for the first time in my life whilst using the M700 trinity.Talk about heart attack!!!! The thing that makes me think it is a hardware compatability issue is that I have used that same 4gb miniSD in my wizard variants,prophet variants,treo's etc for over 7months no stress. Hence I know the card is good (thanx mobymemory!)
4GB Problems
I bought a no-name 4GB miniSD cheap on ebay. It worked fine initially in my Trinity, but only took a few launches of TomTom to get corrupted - "no maps found" and hundreds of smiley faces in File Explorer. I was always able to reformat and start over, but soon got tired of that. Strangely the same card performed perfectly when used in an I-mate Jam (inside an SD adapter) or when in a card reader on the PC. I got rid of the card and got a Kingston 2GB and have had no problems since.
I just got more TomTom maps and am trying to decide whether to take the plunge again. Anyone got any positive 4GB stories?
gynkotek said:
I bought a no-name 4GB miniSD cheap on ebay. It worked fine initially in my Trinity, but only took a few launches of TomTom to get corrupted
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So far so good, happens the same to me
gynkotek said:
Strangely the same card performed perfectly when used in an I-mate Jam (inside an SD adapter)
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I do not have the Jam but tested on my XDAII and works perfectly!!
How can I format it?
well i have a 4gb trans. SD 150x it works in my other mp3 player now for a long time, but as far as mini i dont know
i got a topram atm and it seems like it worked for a format or 2 and died after didnt even get to use it in my pocketPC, sending RMA request now :/
i was really looking forward to hear more good news about the 4gb topram miniSD but i dont know atm
I think maybe the poll should be changed to include SDHC cards since that is a variable that is very important on judging the 4gb cards. SDHC cards work but are just not reliable yet in the current roms.
psargent said:
I know I sound like a conspiracy theorist, but this still doesn't account for why 4gb standard SD (non-HC) cards are not on the company's official website.
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Now this is very strange:
Go to http://www.topram.com/
look at the picture in the middle right under "MiniSD" (orange background): The picture shows a 4.0GB MiniSD Card
BUT
If you click on the picture they tell you only the following cards do exist:
120X 2GB miniSD
120X 1GB miniSD
60X 512MB miniSD
60X 256MB miniSD
no 4.0GB MiniSD
What is this??????????
I tried very hard to find Matterhorns Card in Germany. No success. Simply cant find them. Not on any german online shop. Not in any real world shop. Very very strange.
saminegm said:
Now this is very strange:
Go to http://www.topram.com/
look at the picture in the middle right under "MiniSD" (orange background): The picture shows a 4.0GB MiniSD Card
BUT
If you click on the picture they tell you only the following cards do exist:
120X 2GB miniSD
120X 1GB miniSD
60X 512MB miniSD
60X 256MB miniSD
no 4.0GB MiniSD
What is this??????????
I tried very hard to find Matterhorns Card in Germany. No success. Simply cant find them. Not on any german online shop. Not in any real world shop. Very very strange.
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Oh ye of little faith
I bought mine from an ebay shop. You won't find them in Germany because they are from Asia and they're not marketed here. It came in sealed plastic and looked very professionally packaged. As far as the web site goes...how up to date are half the manufacturers web sites on the web?...not very.
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&satitle=4gb+miniSD+topram&category0=
My 4gb SD Transcend card works perfect now that I have updated WM6.
mmone3 said:
My 4gb SD Transcend card works perfect now that I have updated WM6.
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That's very good news. Thanks for that info!
good morning guys.
let me share some information i have about flash memory.
few month ago one big electronic shop in my ciy was offering usb flash disk of sizes up to 16 gb. in very cheap price.
alot of my frinds buy that memory.
after few days alot of them returen to the shop to exchange them becuse the memory damged.
some of them did not have anyproblem untile today !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the reason is .
these memory are just 4 gb memeory and haked to be like 16 gb.
so if u try to write one bite over 4 gb you will start write this bite over the first bite of card and you will damge the data on that bite. and maybe the card will not be usable again.
this hake is known to be used on other media before flash memorys.
it was used in some hard disk to foll consumers.
the same story here.
if u have a 4 gb Mini-SD . just try to put more than 2 gb and your data will be gone (bye bye bye). maybe the card will be not usable again .
hssona said:
good morning guys.
if u have a 4 gb Mini-SD . just try to put more than 2 gb and your data will be gone (bye bye bye). maybe the card will be not usable again .
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This theory has been proven to be not true over and over again...search the forums.
hm, hello and from me..
I bought 4 gb minisd Albatron, and after 2 days, the card just stopped. I tryed to format it, but no success. The card just died. After that i read this topic and searched on the albatron site to find some mini sd 4 gb card, and i cant find... after that i exchange the card with 1 gb Kingston and since then - no problems at all.. And i think that this 4 gb minisd cards are really hacked and if you have luck - you may use it maybe 5-6 months.. but i really dont buy 4 gb card, until the manufacturer says that they have one.
Regards,
4Gb Topram mini SD - fine. I've used 2 of these and they have been OK.
2Gb Transcend mini SD - useless. Would corrupt in a few hours no matter what I tried.
1Gb O2 branded mini SD - fine.
I'm still using a generic 4GB card that I bought of EBay and its settling down fine after about 3 months use. although at times, it can be just about noticably slow.
I've had a lot of trouble with the card 'dissappearing' ow and again and the Media Player library going awol. However, the fix's for those problems are well published on other threads.
I purschased a Sandisk 4GB SDHC card hoping it might be a bit faster, th Trinity cant even see it!! So much for SDHC support.

8GB Sandisk SD Card died after syncing with WMDC

Hello All,
My 8GB Sandisk SD Card stopped working after syncing with WMDC. My card reader in Windows 7 32bit does not recognize it. My Nokia E71 as well as my Canon camera does not recognize it.
Whenever I put the card in my HD2, it ask to reformat to 30MB!!! and even after I reformat it to 30MB, it is still not being recognized. I've used Reformat SD card app and still nothing works.
Any suggestions, I've had the card for a day only.
Thanks.
Spoke to the seller and he will replace mine. Hopefully it was a part of a bad batch.
The same thing happened to me The only thing is, I tried it in LOTS of devices, gave up, and to protect my files, I put it in a blender and turned it into dust...
Maybe Sandisk Micro SD's and WMDC have some sort of incompatibility :/
i had exactly the same problem. This is a manufacturer's fault
GTI WR6 said:
Spoke to the seller and he will replace mine. Hopefully it was a part of a bad batch.
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what do you mean by 'bad batch'? was your hd2 faulty or memory card? willing to know this because i'm afraid if i buy another memory card it will get corrupted too
shak7i said:
what do you mean by 'bad batch'? was your hd2 faulty or memory card? willing to know this because i'm afraid if i buy another memory card it will get corrupted too
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I mean the SD card was probably a bad batch.
By the way, what is a good SD card other than SanDisk?
I would also like to point out that 3 of my colleagues have HD2 with Sandisk 8MB card and they have had no problems. However, I bought mine 2 days ago while they bought theirs more than 2-3 months ago.
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I mean the SD card was probably a bad batch.
By the way, what is a good SD card other than SanDisk?
I would also like to point out that 3 of my colleagues have HD2 with Sandisk 8MB card and they have had no problems. However, I bought mine 2 days ago while they bought theirs more than 2-3 months ago.
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sandisk has different classes. you can buy a class 6 if you want but it will be more expensive than class 2. you can also buy toshiba. i think i will buy a toshiba 16gb on ebay for my hd2.
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bad batch...
got a replacement. its been working fine for the past 3 days.
My replacement just died after a week of use. The replacement was the same as original Sandisk 8 GB.
About two months ago i bought a 8gb sandisk for my PSP
after two days it broke, it just stopped working, and when inserted into the console
the memory stick light indicator would just blink for ever...
so i went to the store, they replaced it on spot..
and about a month later it died. so, here i am with no warranty or receipt for my sandisk...
just for the record, if anyone cares to check with your own..
SANDISK Memory stick pro duo 8GB
Serial:B10934813813G
im going to the store and explain this to the gu, and check with sandisk or wtv.. maybe i'll get lucky.. maybe not..
Sorry for invading this forum i have no idea what it is about lol.
I bought a 4GB Transcend Class 2 Micro SD card after both my 8GB Class 2 Sandisk Micro SD Cards. Sad to say the Transcend died as well after 3 weeks of use.

Micro SD cards weird issue

I've just experienced a weird issue with the SD cards.
So whats happen.
After I started to use Android on my HD2 my 8GB Kingston Class4 SD card just get a bit small. So I decided to buy some bigger one. First I bought a 32GB unbranded micro SD but soon I found that HD won't take that much so I sold it straight away.
Than I've looked around here on XDA and I found that so many guys using 16GB without probs.
So I bought another SD this time 16GB unbranded ( to keep the cost low) Class10 what's probably fastest at the moment.
I backup my old 8GB card ( just copy all content into my comp ). Than copied all content onto new 16GB card and sticked it into HD2. I thought all should work without any probs but it wasn't.
Phone was really slow, unresponsive, many fc.
OK I set its just need to flash the ROM again so I deleted content of .data folder and did a fresh clean flash with all caches wiped. I thought after this it have to be OK but again it wasn't.
So I started to be a bit worried by that time than I decide to buy another 16GB card but this time I spend more and I bought a Kingston 16GB Class4 ( same brand and class like my old 8GB ). That was for sure it will work 100% if my old works fine. And many people using 16GB, also one of my friends got 16GB SanDisk with Jaws MIUI ( I flashed it for him ).
So today I received that new 16GB Kingston Class4.
I did the same again - backup/restore all content and surprise *** NOT GOOD again; slow, unresponsive, fc's
So reinstall again and surprise *** NOT GOOD again; slow, unresponsive, fc's
I've almost rip of all mine hair (I mean the few bits whats still there )
So after all of this I came out with the last chance idea....
To do total wipe - thats included
- delete all data from the card
- flash stock Winmo ROM
- flash latest MAGLDR
- flash latest CWM Rec.
- flash latest Jaws MIUI
.......
.......and surprise *** All is OK, the SD is working just fine, finaly
So weird and I don't understand this.
I know this was probably long reading post but maybe someone have an explanation for this or some one have a same issue like me and can use this like a last help.
Where did you buy the card from? The market is flooded with low quality counterfeits, so always buy good brand from reputable source. I always buy sandisk, and never had a problem.
well normally I buy a Kingston or Sandisk. This was a first time I get unbranded cards but anyway at the and it wasnt caused by card quality cos this Kingston didn't work, only after I've done all that steps all is OK.
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Where did you buy the card from? The market is flooded with low quality counterfeits, so always buy good brand from reputable source. I always buy sandisk, and never had a problem.
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I have the same issue with Kingston 8GB Class 4 SD card, it is very slow, unresponsive and sometimes it doesn't come back from lock screen... i have to restart it... right now i am using Scandisk 4GB Class 2 card, it is OK but my phone heats up pretty quickly...
How can i resolve the heating issue... any idea?
Well, Kingston re-brands their SD Cards, so you never know what you're getting. I have a few and you can just pull the "Kingston" labels off to see what the original manufacturer is, and often thats just another rebrand anyway. I'll assume they do the same with their Micro SD cards.
maybe its a fake card
If u want to verify your card genuine or not, go to fake-memory.com,
u can download some tools over there.
your card might be ok today, but once its near full, you will see weird thing happening again, I also bought OEM card. (unbranded)
lucky my "32GB" is really a 1GB, so I spot it early.
Just get refund from seller through ebay.
I would have think about the SD also. But due to the solution you apply, I think now about a corrupted file somewhere. Maybe at a low level of your NAND.
That's just a thought (so maybe not so helpfull).
We play sorcerers with our phone... so I'm not surprized this happens.
I also have a corrupted SD few times. The validation processes are important and I don't think we can do the same as manufacturer on this point.
As the first level loader is never touch we can't brick our phones but this is the price to pay. DO NOT PUT VITAL DATA WITHOUT BACKUP IN YOUR PHONE !
rikardo1979 said:
well normally I buy a Kingston or Sandisk. This was a first time I get unbranded cards but anyway at the and it wasnt caused by card quality cos this Kingston didn't work, only after I've done all that steps all is OK.
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What I meant was where did you buy your kingston from? Kingston cards counterfeited alot. Kingston is also known to sell many low quality or defective cards. Kingston doesn't do any of their own manufacturing... they just rebrand cards, so many times they get bottom of the barrel cards. I won't buy kingston anymore after I did some research. Sandisk actually owns their own factories and create the chips they sell... they probably keep all the good ones for themselves and sell the bad quality or defective ones to kingston. I really don't understand how kingston is known as a good brand-name, because they shouldn't be. Buy sandisk cards from a reputable seller.
I got 3 micro cards
1. adata 16gb class 10
2. pqi 8gb class 6
3. sandisk 8gb class 2
All cards are without any errors and works with WM6 well. Unfortunatelu on Android with ext partition isnt so good.
There is no single rom using ext partition and working well on my class 10 card!!!
On PQI some works ok, some not
And on Sandisk every rum is running without errors.
What's going on? Ported android to HD2 probably is not 100% compatible with HD2 card reader ;-((((
I thought all is OK.well it was a day and now im back to sh*t.phone its slowing down,sometime cant wake up from lock screen or have to wait 30 or more seconds. i dont know whats the problem. looks like i have to sell my card and buy another one.this time i go for Sandisk but 100% genuine. its gona be expensive but what else i can do :-(
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rikardo1979 said:
I thought all is OK.well it was a day and now im back to sh*t.phone its slowing down,sometime cant wake up from lock screen or have to wait 30 or more seconds. i dont know whats the problem. looks like i have to sell my card and buy another one.this time i go for Sandisk but 100% genuine. its gona be expensive but what else i can do :-(
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Maybe you have tried before...
Why don't you try another build before buying another SD? This at least will cost nothing. Just to be sure.
it seems we're all agree to say that Kingston sucks...
cheers.
I've already tried and its same. Its definitely a card issue.
Damn, I have to buy another one, 4th card in week or twoo
will see, hope die last...
truc007 said:
Maybe you have tried before...
Why don't you try another build before buying another SD? This at least will cost nothing. Just to be sure.
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