Hi guys
I think Xperia doesnt really capture videos in VGA @30fps
I had a nokia n95 8gb and the videos were waaaay better.
but not only that
i recorded in vga mode a 40s video and that was 2.4MB that means around 60KB/s and that means 2KB per every frame.?????!!!!! if there are 30 frames per second.(and not forget that there is also the audio so the frame size is lower than 2KB)
The funny thing is that the video size IS 640x480. so in my opinion
the videos are caught in a low resolution for example 320x240 every frame gets interpolated to 640x480 and then saved as video.... could this be true ??? what do u think.
I don't know the details but most mpeg encoders deal with I and P frames. Something to do with they take a full frame picture, and then for the next x amount of frames encode only the delta between succesive images, then another full frame I.e. if the image does not change much, then not much data will be used as there has been not much change... etc
even if the X1 takes video at 640x480 and 30fps that doesnt say anything about the quality of the chipset, which quite crappy if you ask me. Video recording quality is horrible for such an expensive device.
man, it's seem you know nothing about video encoding and you complaint x1's capacity is fake. the msg above is correct and that's why action movie normally bigger in size due to massive different between frames. there are other tricks (color pattern), algorithm and compression to reduce the size even futher
The problem is the cmos camera - not the pixels at which it is stored.
Like most mobile phones, the cmos for capturing the image is too small and not sensitive enough, therefore the quality is usually crap! and it doesn't matter what resolution you store the image/video as, cause the source was crap to start off with.
informatico said:
Hi guys
The funny thing is that the video size IS 640x480. so in my opinion
the videos are caught in a low resolution for example 320x240 every frame gets interpolated to 640x480 and then saved as video.... could this be true ??? what do u think.
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I thought so at first too, since the quality was so bad in VGA-mode. But if you record a video of a motionless view and hold the camera very still you will see there is a difference between QVGA and VGA. So I think the bad quality in VGA-mode is the result of very hard compression.
I really hope they fix that.
yeah ... you're right
I just noticed something that i find a bit weird, even though it supports my previous statement.
I recorded two videos with the X1. They are almost exactly the same length (it differs less than a second), and the scenes are also identical. One is VGA and the other is QVGA.
Since the size of VGA is four times bigger than QVGA I would expect the VGA recording to have a bigger file size. Maybe not four times bigger, but at least clearly larger.
But actually the QVA recording was slightly bigger. Only 40 kB though, so they are basically the same size.
No wonder we experience the VGA recording to be of low quality.
Not used to making video's as all my previous phones
Universal,Hermes,TytnII,Raphael,Touch HD didn't make them too well.
So just tried out making video's while driving (as a passenger) and
they look stunningly good. There's lot's of sun/cloud changes
and it picks up beautifully.
Frame rate is above 20FPS average in MPEG 640x480. Nice.
EDIT : from comments below I see most people expect more. For once I'm on the satisfied side
What .. it too can't play 640x480 flawlessly ? I saw some benchmarks which played such videos at 200%.
Dr.Sid said:
What .. it too can't play 640x480 flawlessly ? I saw some benchmarks which played such videos at 200%.
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Did you read his comment???? where does it say it cant play 640x480
A sample recording would be nice
Smooth playback is 24 fps and beyond. if it's between 20-24, it sucks.
It's the recording rate in 640x480 not the playback speed.
It will almost always keep the 23.99 frames per second while recording
So I meant to say, it's a great video recorder.
I think the title of this thread is a little bit naive!
C'mon 640 x 480 has been on most high end phones now since 2006!
We now have alot of phones with 640 x 480, a fair few with 720 x 480 (D1?) and one or two with 720p recording.
The hardware in this phone is capable of 720p as is that of the Palm Pre, Iphone 3GS and probably others too.
So, in summary - I dont see 640 x 480 as amazingly good at all!
On the topic, do any devs think it would be possible to up the recording to it's 720p capabilities?
See above. I accidently posted twice.
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The hardware in this phone is capable of 720p
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Qualcomm advertises Snapdragon (rather over-optimistically in my opinion) as being capable of 720p video playback - where do they say it's capable of 720p capture?
My bad !
I did not notice he talks about RECORDING, I thought he talks about playback.
lucid said:
Frame rate is above 20FPS average in MPEG 640x480. Nice.
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So video quality is "surprisingly mediocre", then. Is there any non-HTC smartphone in the world that can't manage at least 30fps at VGA resolution? The Samsung i8910HD can almost manage 24fps at a resolution of 1280x720. If the HD2 could better that, then maybe you could describe it as "amazingly good".
The Snapdragon probably should be able to record in 720P from a hardware point of view. My currrent phone, the i8910, records in 720P at around 22-24fps, and its only packing a 600mhz Cortex 8 CPU.
So i went to the registry and messed with some values a bit. I set the bitrate much higher than the default. It would still capture video @ about 25 fps. Can't really tell the difference in quality, but the filesize has increased by a 100%. I'll try to see if there are more reg settings to mess around.
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The Snapdragon probably should be able to record in 720P from a hardware point of view. My currrent phone, the i8910, records in 720P at around 22-24fps, and its only packing a 600mhz Cortex 8 CPU.
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There's a lot more to it than CPU power, I think - it's a bandwidth issue rather than MIPS. I wouldn't be surprised if Windows Mobile imposes some limitations too.
We all know that the maximum video recording resolution of HTC wildfire is 352 x 288. Max fps will be 19 and max bitrate is 800 kbps. Who expects these things for a 5mp cam. I would like to ask the custom Rom builders to improve the above camera features. I know that the 528 mhz processor can't handle the 720p video recording. But now a days the processor is being overclocked to even 768 mhz which can handle the 720p video. Developers pls work on the camera. Atleast to vga resolution of 640 x 480.
I would like to point out the camera of Nokia 5233 which is less than half the price of wildfire. Nokia 5233 has video recording resolution of 640 x 480. It's fps is 30 and bitrate is 3000 kbps approx. And all these features for a 2mp cam.
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This is a dev zone mate, not a feature request zone. Please try and respect it.
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bharatgaddameedi said:
We all know that the maximum video recording resolution of HTC wildfire is 352 x 288. Max fps will be 19 and max bitrate is 800 kbps. Who expects these things for a 5mp cam. I would like to ask the custom Rom builders to improve the above camera features. I know that the 528 mhz processor can't handle the 720p video recording. But now a days the processor is being overclocked to even 768 mhz which can handle the 720p video. Developers pls work on the camera. Atleast to vga resolution of 640 x 480.
I would like to point out the camera of Nokia 5233 which is less than half the price of wildfire. Nokia 5233 has video recording resolution of 640 x 480. It's fps is 30 and bitrate is 3000 kbps approx. And all these features for a 2mp cam.
This is really a great injustice to wildfire. Pls develop it.
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Why in hell would we develop this ? First of all it will degenerate your cpu like hell because it has to be overclocked at maximum always you use 720 p recording, or even 640 x 480 ? Second it requires kernel , libraries and android core - code adjustments.. And the most devs (who are students) don't have a lot of time to rewrite these parts ( read whole ROM). So your best shot is to write a complaint letter to HTC. Further I can add that the wildfire , because it's a low-budget smartphone, doesn't has a high resolution screen (it's QVGA) so you wouldn't even see a difference because the screen just won't show it. You would only see a difference if you would use these video's on your pc, but my answer on that is : buy a digital camera (I prefer sony, lol).
Hope my answer was helpfull.
Maybe the sensor can't handle large video resolution s. Because other phones can do it doesn't mean that the sensor is the same as the one in our Wildfire.... It can be a cheaper sensor.
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Wildfire struggles to record in its crappy resolution at 10 fps. You want 1 spf VGA video? Be my guest. meh.
720x480 already 1fps for wildfire. And you even want a arm6 processor to take 720p video?
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what is the custom rom that records 720 x 480 video at 1fps. and whats the bitrate in this. pls add a note. and what about the cam pictures quality in this rom. is there any improvement.
i know that even if wildfire takes 720p video, there is no improvement in the video viewing in the wildfire, as its screen resolution is the limiting factor. but im not asking about watching the video in wildfire. i wanted to watch the videos in pc and HDTV. let me just ask u guys a question.
suppose u are having a nice digicam which has the capacity of recording 1080p video @ 30fps and a great bitrate. now do u watch the videos taken by it in that digicam itself, or do u watch them in a full HD 1080p HDTV or a 1080p HD monitor.
i have heard before (untill december) in some forums that wildfire has the capacity to record 720p video. and when it is updated to froyo, it will be recording at 720p. but that didnt happen. even the 3 network in UK, which updated to froyo in february 1st week, announced that they will give the 720p recording to wildfire, but they haven't done it.
i expect that wildfire has the potential to record at 720 x 480 fluently.
here im attaching u an android application called "ELIXIR". u may also search the market for an updated version. the version here is 1.9.3
coming to "ELIXIR", it is an application which gives system hardware and software information. and let us see what it gave with camcorder of htc wildfire.
video rec resolution: 720 x 480
frame rate: 24 frames per sec
video bitrate: 3000kbps.
video codec : H.263
file format: MPEG
the audio bitrate is 12 kbps, single channel, amr, sample rate 8 kHz
Did you knew the words "Hardware Limitations"?
That application says:
Best recording quality is 720x420
The camera supports 24 fps.
If you'd like to get 24 fps, use lowest resolution for video capture and it's possible to get 24 fps.
bharatgaddameedi said:
what is the custom rom that records 720 x 480 video at 1fps. and whats the bitrate in this. pls add a note. and what about the cam pictures quality in this rom. is there any improvement.
i know that even if wildfire takes 720p video, there is no improvement in the video viewing in the wildfire, as its screen resolution is the limiting factor. but im not asking about watching the video in wildfire. i wanted to watch the videos in pc and HDTV. let me just ask u guys a question.
suppose u are having a nice digicam which has the capacity of recording 1080p video @ 30fps and a great bitrate. now do u watch the videos taken by it in that digicam itself, or do u watch them in a full HD 1080p HDTV or a 1080p HD monitor.
i have heard before (untill december) in some forums that wildfire has the capacity to record 720p video. and when it is updated to froyo, it will be recording at 720p. but that didnt happen. even the 3 network in UK, which updated to froyo in february 1st week, announced that they will give the 720p recording to wildfire, but they haven't done it.
i expect that wildfire has the potential to record at 720 x 480 fluently.
here im attaching u an android application called "ELIXIR". u may also search the market for an updated version. the version here is 1.9.3
coming to "ELIXIR", it is an application which gives system hardware and software information. and let us see what it gave with camcorder of htc wildfire.
video rec resolution: 720 x 480
frame rate: 24 frames per sec
video bitrate: 3000kbps.
video codec : H.263
file format: MPEG
the audio bitrate is 12 kbps, single channel, amr, sample rate 8 kHz
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argh. there is no rom which can record at that resolution. the max resolution is near QVGA. AND THAT IS ALREADY LAGGY ENOUGH. Wildfire DOES NOT have the capacity to record at 720p, which is incidentally a 1280x720 resolution, not 720x480 (which is 480p).
I don't know what's wrong with that app, but wildfire most definitely cannot record 720x480 @24fps. that is like trying to run Crysis on an original Pentium. THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE!!! and it has been discussed many times so I suggest you give up. -_-
Edit: I hope you realize that cam quality is more of a HARDWARE limitation than software.
someone said me that to get 24fps video recording on wildfire, we should use the lowest possible resolution.
i have done that keeping all other options default. but even i didnt get 24fps. explain
im working with unrooted stock froyo, waiting desperately to get rooted.
bharatgaddameedi said:
someone said me that to get 24fps video recording on wildfire, we should use the lowest possible resolution.
i have done that keeping all other options default. but even i didnt get 24fps. explain
im working with unrooted stock froyo, waiting desperately to get rooted.
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Read Post #10. Also, it has been said many times in this thread the Wildfire records laggy video even at its default resolutions.
The Wildfire doesn't get 24 fps even at the lowest resolution, and your first post requests 720p recording for it. Oh, the irony....
h4oxer said:
Why in hell would we develop this ? First of all it will degenerate your cpu like hell because it has to be overclocked at maximum always you use 720 p recording, or even 640 x 480 ? Second it requires kernel , libraries and android core - code adjustments.. And the most devs (who are students) don't have a lot of time to rewrite these parts ( read whole ROM). So your best shot is to write a complaint letter to HTC. Further I can add that the wildfire , because it's a low-budget smartphone, doesn't has a high resolution screen (it's QVGA) so you wouldn't even see a difference because the screen just won't show it. You would only see a difference if you would use these video's on your pc, but my answer on that is : buy a digital camera (I prefer sony, lol).
Hope my answer was helpfull.
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lets keep the topic of degenerating cpu aside for a while. lets keep the cpu in the safe margin 528 to 575 MHz. and also let us forget about the 720p recording. and even forget about the 24fps.
and let us now concentrate on
--max cpu overclock of 575 MHz
--just getting 10fps and if possible to 15fps
--with a resolution of 640 x 480 (or even slightly lower which becomes intermediate between the current wildfires and this one)
IS IT POSSIBLE.
u said that it requires kernel , libraries and android core - code adjustments..
im not asking someone to write those. just asking whether the above video recording configuration is possible or not if some great developer works on it.
u also mentioned to write a complaint letter to HTC. i dont have expectations that this solves the problem. the reason is HTC didnt improve the wildfire camera even by a little bit in the froyo update.
i dont understand why the 3 network of UK in association with HTC announced that there will be 720p video in the froyo update. this is meaningless because they didnt even gave a 480p via the froyo update. Anyhow writing a complaint letter to htc should be a try. if someone can link me the contact of htc, it would be more appreciable.
and further u mentioned that the screen resolution of wildfire limits. im sorry if the following question is sooo numb.
just check this website: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_google_nexus_one-3069.php
i dont know if there is something wrong with that website or not.
but i cant believe my eyes when i saw that HTC GOOGLE NEXUS ONE has got multi touch input method via FIRMWARE UPGRADE. i thought that the multitouch is a hardware feature. is it really possible with just a firmware upgrade. if so, can we expect the wildfire screen resolution to become better with a firmware upgrade. i know even if it is possible, HTC wont do that since it is crushing wildfire for the purpose of wildfire s. i just wanted to know whether screen resolution is a software issue.
and i remember some days back, some guy made a custom rom of wildfire and he said that it has better screen resolution. what does that mean. i dont remember that custom rom name anyway.
and is it possible to improve the screen resolution a little bit, retaining the same 4:3 aspect ratio.
guys a few more numb questions if u have patience to answer. later
bharatgaddameedi said:
if so, can we expect the wildfire screen resolution to become better with a firmware upgrade.
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Oh Snap!
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Anyway, I'll still answer your queries:
* It is NOT Possible to have a higher res video recording on the Wildfire, and, as you yourself said, the Wildfire cannot record even 240x320 at 24 fps, why would you want to increase the resolution? I think, you have been said that 10 times in this thread about this, and, still you are not getting it. I don't know what it will take to make you understand, but whatever.
* Write a Complaint letter to HTC yourself. Why make others write to them for your complaint? Their contact details can be found on their website.
http://www.htc.com/in/CS_Mail.aspx
* As for the N1, it;'s hardware was already ready to have Multi Touch Features, but, it was not provided with the software to support it, for reasons unknown. As I have already given one more example, the Xperia X10 received Multi Touch after its official Eclair Update. Here's another example: Apple's iPod Touches Received Bluetooth Functionality after updating to iOS 3.0. There was no trace of BT before that.
* Additional features can be unlocked by OTA Updates only if they already exist on the hardware. Getting better screen resolution on the Wildfire wont ever be possible, because, the screen (the actual hardware) supports only 240 x 320.
* 3 UK probably made a mistake in their announcement, but, I dont think you have to bring that up 10 times. What they say is not the law, you know.
* The 'Better Screen Resolution' Effect can be achieved by using an app called LCD Density Changer. This ROOT ONLY App however, only provides an effect of an increased resolution by decreasing the size of the UI elements. Your screen resolution remains at 240x320.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.beansoft.lcd_density_changer
Lastly, I would recommend you read around a bit rather than posting the same thing everytime. All your queries are answered by others elsewhere.
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Oh Snap!
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Anyway, I'll still answer your queries:
* It is NOT Possible to have a higher res video recording on the Wildfire, and, as you yourself said, the Wildfire cannot record even 240x320 at 24 fps, why would you want to increase the resolution? I think, you have been said that 10 times in this thread about this, and, still you are not getting it. I don't know what it will take to make you understand, but whatever.
* Write a Complaint letter to HTC yourself. Why make others write to them for your complaint? Their contact details can be found on their website.
http://www.htc.com/in/CS_Mail.aspx
* As for the N1, it;'s hardware was already ready to have Multi Touch Features, but, it was not provided with the software to support it, for reasons unknown. As I have already given one more example, the Xperia X10 received Multi Touch after its official Eclair Update. Here's another example: Apple's iPod Touches Received Bluetooth Functionality after updating to iOS 3.0. There was no trace of BT before that.
* Additional features can be unlocked by OTA Updates only if they already exist on the hardware. Getting better screen resolution on the Wildfire wont ever be possible, because, the screen (the actual hardware) supports only 240 x 320.
* 3 UK probably made a mistake in their announcement, but, I dont think you have to bring that up 10 times. What they say is not the law, you know.
* The 'Better Screen Resolution' Effect can be achieved by using an app called LCD Density Changer. This ROOT ONLY App however, only provides an effect of an increased resolution by decreasing the size of the UI elements. Your screen resolution remains at 240x320.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.beansoft.lcd_density_changer
Lastly, I would recommend you read around a bit rather than posting the same thing everytime. All your queries are answered by others elsewhere.
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Nothing left to say after that reply... I'd like to clarify about multi touch though, it wasn't included originally due to patent issues with Apple (go figure).
Ah, that explains it, because, I would have expected Google to release with all their features originally intact, unlike Apple. (BT, as stated above, and, the iPod Touch teardown shows a FM Radio also, but, Apple only decides to give it to the Touch v4 )
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if so, can we expect the wildfire screen resolution to become better with a firmware upgrade
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fifarunnerr said:
Did you knew the words "Hardware Limitations"?
That application says:
Best recording quality is 720x420
The camera supports 24 fps.
If you'd like to get 24 fps, use lowest resolution for video capture and it's possible to get 24 fps.
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yes, wildfire gives 24fps when using the lowest resolution.
sorry that i made a wrong post before. at first i have checked that while recording in dim light. it didnt give 24fps. then i checked that while recording in the sunlight at mid afternoon. then it gave me 24fps.
so while checking out the cam quality, one must be dealing in enough good light.
and with 320 x 240 resol it gave me 19fps in mid day sunlight. this will definately be much better option than the above 24 fps low res. thanks
bharatgaddameedi said:
yes, wildfire gives 24fps when using the lowest resolution.
sorry that i made a wrong post before. at first i have checked that while recording in dim light. it didnt give 24fps. then i checked that while recording in the sunlight at mid afternoon. then it gave me 24fps.
so while checking out the cam quality, one must be dealing in enough good light.
and with 320 x 240 resol it gave me 19fps in mid day sunlight. this will definately be much better option than the above 24 fps low res. thanks
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lol. even good cameras have trouble in low light many a time. meh.
3xeno said:
* Write a Complaint letter to HTC yourself. Why make others write to them for your complaint? Their contact details can be found on their website.
http://www.htc.com/in/CS_Mail.aspx
* As for the N1, it;'s hardware was already ready to have Multi Touch Features, but, it was not provided with the software to support it, for reasons unknown. As I have already given one more example, the Xperia X10 received Multi Touch after its official Eclair Update. Here's another example: Apple's iPod Touches Received Bluetooth Functionality after updating to iOS 3.0. There was no trace of BT before that.
* Additional features can be unlocked by OTA Updates only if they already exist on the hardware. Getting better screen resolution on the Wildfire wont ever be possible, because, the screen (the actual hardware) supports only 240 x 320.
* The 'Better Screen Resolution' Effect can be achieved by using an app called LCD Density Changer. This ROOT ONLY App however, only provides an effect of an increased resolution by decreasing the size of the UI elements. Your screen resolution remains at 240x320.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.beansoft.lcd_density_changer
Lastly, I would recommend you read around a bit rather than posting the same thing everytime. All your queries are answered by others elsewhere.
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*anyhow i would not make an attempt to write to htc, as i dont have confidence in them that they will do something for wildfire.
*
*wow, great explanation. and its really painful to hear that manufacturers are releasing their phone models with hardware features locked. This makes me to think about the ATI DESKTOP GRAPHIC CARDS (radeon hd 4xxx series) which have the hardware features like PARALLEL PROCESSING and etc which are lately enabled via software updates.
but how can we know about locked features, if a phone is released with hardware features locked.
*ok. the actual hardware of wildfire has screen resol., 320 x 240, and no locked feature here. this explains great.
*and regarding that app LCD DENSITY CHANGER , i dont actually need it. because i feel that the screen clarity is much better (excluding the resolution issue here). watching videos, browsing and other things are really nice. i just thought of the resolution issue just because to improve the video recording which is not possible as i believe for now.
yes i will search the camera related things on xda.
so, here we know that, "when compared to other 5 MP camera phones wildfire has one of the lowest grade camera".
so, sticking to the rules, i quit the discussion.
EDIT: i cannot use that lcd density changer app now even if im willing to. because im on official froyo and it is a root only app. would try that and check after getting rooted.