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I was told by Leaf Wireless, the distributors of HTC in SA and Africa that the Hermes will support a 4gb micro card(Trans Flash).
I am not sure if this has been posted before, but there seemed to be speculation about this in the past on some threads.
Can anyone who has actually tried this confirm.
I am not sure if the new ROM's available have anything to do with this or not.
I believe 4GB requires FAT32 format. Try formatting a 1 or 2GB with FAT32 and see if it operates.
The Hermes can definately handle FAT 32 formated cards. I have flashed my Hermes using a 1GB micro SD card formated to FAT 32 several times with no problems. My 2GB card that I keep in the phone is also formated to FAT 32.
There have been differing reports concerning whether the 4GB SDHC format is supported or not. What we do know is this: SDHC in the registry doesn't stand for SD High Capacity.
speed compare - FAT16 vs. FAT32
I have 512MB Kingston, I tryed to use FAT16 and also FAT32 and benchmark speed on this card - FAT32 was faster, but only at some sizes of files. this results is for FAT32, tomorrow, when I am back to my PC I can format card to FAT16 and update this post with new images. otherwise, for me is 512MB enough. I have mp3 creative zen player, and I dont need use TyTN as video/mp3 player, only as storage for my documents, and installation files, so question if 4GB card work is for only matter of interest.
but there is one important thing. If you using card bigger than 512MB, it is better to use FAT32, coz if you dont you waste your space (it is known problem from PC disks). if someone have a bigger card, than 512MB try to format to FAT16, use pocket mechanic Slack Analysis function and you can see how much space is not used. on my card at this time is on FAT32 only 1,60MB (0,59%). on FAT16 is much more.
all results of benchmark is in archive. tomorrow I will update this post for results on FAT16, and also Slack analysis report.
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rest of benchmark, tested FAT16, slack for current cluster size (8kB) is 1.10 % which is 3,40MB instead of 1,60MB for FAT32. This results is only for me, you can have different results, I have used only 50% of capacity.
Did we determine that someone ACTUALLY has a 4gb MicroSD card and IS using it formatted in some way (FAT16/FAT32)?
If we EVER get some of the SDHC micro cards in at work then i will (cough cough) sacrifice one for the xda team, but i predict it will be a LONG time before they are even ordered (no demand for them as of yet)
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If we EVER get some of the SDHC micro cards in at work then i will (cough cough) sacrifice one for the xda team, but i predict it will be a LONG time before they are even ordered (no demand for them as of yet)
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How can there not be a demand? My 2GB one is stuffed full!
Zilch.
The retailer i work for (just a dead end weekend job...im an engineer student in uni) doesnt sell to people as technically minded as us, most people use the sd micro cards for mediocre phones like the Moto-razr etc... Its a home retailer primarily, they have only just started selling the 2gb versions.
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The retailer i work for (just a dead end weekend job...im an engineer student in uni) doesnt sell to people as technically minded as us, most people use the sd micro cards for mediocre phones like the Moto-razr etc... Its a home retailer primarily, they have only just started selling the 2gb versions.
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So? Even your average iPod user knows you can stuff twice as many MP3s onto a 4GB card as you can with a 2GB one. Surely?
Zilch.
Been a couple of months now.
Anyone tried and succeeded or failed with a 4Gb MicroSD in the Hermes?
SOOOOOOON!
Not here yet, but right around the corner. These are SD NOT SDHC. Should work fine. I will post results when mine arrives.
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4159987
If someone can actually get the 4gb card working then i think we have some bright prospects to actually see higher capacities[8gb+] working since they all use the sdhc format. Although i still dont know why the htc peepz didnt put a rubber cover [or even a plastic one for that matter] on the sd slot. Currently there is just soo much potential for dust,grime and moisture to get in there!
I do understand the point that <b>mrvanx </b> is making. The majority of the mobile community today are more than happy with their 1gb cards...and when there is no significant demand...then there is no motif for a [reasonably priced] supply!
I emailed HTC Europe about this and I got a reply that the Hermes is able to work with SDHC Cards, but HTC Europe only advises card up to 2 gig. So....we still don't know anything.....
4Gb SDHC seems not to work
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=308679&page=2&highlight=4gb+micro+sd
Anyone can confirm this? Or maybe someone got it working?
In my area, 4Gb micro SDHC is not even available in shops.
Anyone knows, if there will be 4Gb micro SD (without HC) available?
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ARo
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Some people here seem to be talking about SDHC and other SD cards. From what I understand MicroSDHC wont work and no one has tried a 4Gb MicroSD card yet.
If you're in the UK it looks like 4Gb MicroSD cards are now available:
http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/4-/3359487/Sandisk-Micro-SD-4GB/Product.html
Anyone bought this and tried it yet?
If i could redirect you guys to THIS POST.........anyone confirm my thinking on this?
I have a 4gb microSDHC card (bought it from eBay) and it definitely does NOT work in my TyTN.
SkyyBoy said:
I have a 4gb microSDHC card (bought it from eBay) and it definitely does NOT work in my TyTN.
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Remember dude, there has been no such update or even attempt at one yet. You may be quite valuable for testing some patches if you keep hold of it.
ok guys... some info...
There are SDHC drivers for Windows Mobile 5 & 6, they are not included in your ROM's at the moment.
The Hermes USB hardware (Samsung 2440) 'DOES' theoretically support SDHC cards, but there is no way of telling if the firmware on the controller supports it.
If there is a hardware programmer out there that can help i can sacrifice a device...
Hey guys,
Whats the largest micro sd I can place in my Leo... Currently have an 8 GB in there but am quickly filling it since having movies / music on it like no tomorrow!!
Any help would be great, thanks dudes.
You didn't find the answer anywhere on the net? In that case, they can hold a max of 128GB.
dmonuk said:
Hey guys,
Whats the largest micro sd I can place in my Leo... Currently have an 8 GB in there but am quickly filling it since having movies / music on it like no tomorrow!!
Any help would be great, thanks dudes.
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I've got a 16GB in mine and it works perfectly. I'll get a 32GB but want the price to drop before I do. They're still quite pricey.
16GB is suiting me fine. I have a seperate 8GB one for putting movies and stuff on. It just means I have to have CorePlayer installed on the device so I can switch cards and still play movies.
Edit:
Ignore the above comment by lude219. 128GB cards won't be available until next year at the earliest. 32GB is currently the largest on the market. There will be 64GB (and possibly 48GB) soon, but not yet.
Thank you johncmolyneux, I think I might wait a bit and get a 32gb just to be sure!
Thanks for your help dude.
*Any mods may now close this thread as I have had a helpful answer.*
Where can you buy 32Gb microSD cards? I wasn't aware of that they have arrived.
Tubgirl said:
Where can you buy 32Gb microSD cards? I wasn't aware of that they have arrived.
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Amazon\
Ebay
bestbuy
craiglist
expansys
sandisk
Nope.....
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Amazon\
Ebay
bestbuy
craiglist
expansys
sandisk
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Not true, Sandisk does not have a 32GB microSDHC card on the market at present. Maximum capacity is 16GB only (class 2 and class 4).
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Amazon\
Ebay
bestbuy
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expansys
sandisk
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can't find any 32gb micro sds on amazon or ebay? only normal sized SDHC cards.
Samsung expect their 32GB to be in the market by February according to their recent announcement, I expect Sandisk will want to be released for sale by then also.
Class 6 cards are available from non-Sandisk manufacturers by the way.
im guessing the will charge a ridculous amount...probs about £50 or some ****
16 Gb is the maximum today.
There is NO 32 gb on the market at this time, but expected.
Read that HD2 support 64GB microSD cards. Has anybody got a 64GB card in HD2? How much does it cost?
32GB
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Read that HD2 support 64GB microSD cards. Has anybody got a 64GB card in HD2? How much does it cost?
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Microsdhc only supports sizes up to 32gb. We wont be seeing 64gb cards except with sdxc, but hd2 doesn't support sdxc.
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question...
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Microsdhc only supports sizes up to 32gb. We wont be seeing 64gb cards except with sdxc, but hd2 doesn't support sdxc.
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is that because of hardware or software? i had an old HTC Excalibur that ran winmo 5.0 back in the day. got a 8 gig card that wouldn't read in it until i flashed it to winmo 6.5. after that, it read the card no problem. funny thing is the 'fine folks' over at T-Mobile assured me that nothing over 4GB would ever work in my phone.
so i wonder, with our devices being able to run winmo, android, different variations of linux, etc... could it be just a software problem?
The HTC HD2 can only hold up to a 32 gig 2.0 Micro SD card. Click the link for proof, notice the "Expansion" in the spec list, oh yeah this is straight from HTC.
http://www.htc.com/us/products/t-mobile-hd2#tech-specs
interesting info
so i started surfing around, looking for more info on this topic. i found a thread from another forum citing some interesting conversation regarding the same issue. to quote from page 5 of that forum...
"What the SD 4.0 specification will add is another pin to SDXC cards which will enable the higher read/write speeds. The rest of the pins will still be present and will still act exactly like they used to. So SDXC cards will always be compatible with SDHC readers, you just won't be able to read/write from them at 300mbit/s. And that's where a firmware update can't change things; no firmware update will allow the camera to use an SDXC card at its full, currently-non-existent future speed because that extra pin interface won't be present.
'But a firmware update CAN add support for exFAT, so all the other benefits of SDXC can in fact be added to our cameras through a firmware update. These benefits include higher capacities, larger maximum file size, and faster file deleting (because that's an exFAT feature, not an SDXC feature).
'It should be noted that the higher capacities have nothing to do with exFAT. FAT32 can have volumes up to 2 TB in size. The 32GB limit on SDHC cards was artificially imposed by the SD 2.0 specification, and has now been lifted with SD 3.0. However, the larger maximum file size IS a benefit of exFAT, because files used to be limited to 4 GB on FAT32."
so i gotta think this will also apply to any other device that can physically run an SDHC card.
let the debate begin
btw, quoted the line from the following forum, for reference:
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/90655-new-firmware-pentax-k-7-1-03-a.html
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so i started surfing around, looking for more info on this topic. i found a thread from another forum citing some interesting conversation regarding the same issue. to quote from page 5 of that forum...
"What the SD 4.0 specification will add is another pin to SDXC cards which will enable the higher read/write speeds. The rest of the pins will still be present and will still act exactly like they used to. So SDXC cards will always be compatible with SDHC readers, you just won't be able to read/write from them at 300mbit/s. And that's where a firmware update can't change things; no firmware update will allow the camera to use an SDXC card at its full, currently-non-existent future speed because that extra pin interface won't be present.
'But a firmware update CAN add support for exFAT, so all the other benefits of SDXC can in fact be added to our cameras through a firmware update. These benefits include higher capacities, larger maximum file size, and faster file deleting (because that's an exFAuiT feature, not an SDXC feature).
'It should be noted that the higher capacities have nothing to do with exFAT. FAT32 can have volumes up to 2 TB in size. The 32GB limit on SDHC cards was artificially imposed by the SD 2.0 specification, and has now been lifted with SD 3.0. However, the larger maximum file size IS a benefit of exFAT, because files used to be limited to 4 GB on FAT32."
so i gotta think this will also apply to any other device that can physically run an SDHC card.
let the debate begin
btw, quoted the line from the following forum, for reference:
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/90655-new-firmware-pentax-k-7-1-03-a.html
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Hmmmm interesting conversation there, I read all six pages by the way. The one guy seemed to be pretty sure of himself. But from what he said if you use a SDXC card that uses extFAT in a decice that does not support extFAT. It will reformat it with Fat 32 making it a regular SDHC card without the extra advantage of the higher speeds that a SDXC reader that does support extFAT can use.
right, that's what i got out of it too. but the big bonus there is that even with the reformat, the space on that card is still accessible, be it 'just' sdhc speeds. that's ok though, cuz that's what we're used to. i'd really like some of the xda developers to take a look at this and see what they can do.
on a somewhat related note, there's a program i use on my laptop called 'macdrive' which allows me to view previously unrecognized files and partitions which windows doesn't see naturally. this allows me to tri-boot (linux, mac, and windows) and modify each of those partitions from any one of the systems.
point here, is that even if there is initially a problem reading the data on a sdxc card, it seems that problem is only with the software not hardware and therefore can be modified.
if i could program i'd start experimenting myself.
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right, that's what i got out of it too. but the big bonus there is that even with the reformat, the space on that card is still accessible, be it 'just' sdhc speeds. that's ok though, cuz that's what we're used to. i'd really like some of the xda developers to take a look at this and see what they can do.
on a somewhat related note, there's a program i use on my laptop called 'macdrive' which allows me to view previously unrecognized files and partitions which windows doesn't see naturally. this allows me to tri-boot (linux, mac, and windows) and modify each of those partitions from any one of the systems.
point here, is that even if there is initially a problem reading the data on a sdxc card, it seems that problem is only with the software not hardware and therefore can be modified.
if i could program i'd start experimenting myself.
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This is very true, and I am in the same boot as you. I wish I had the dev knowledge and skills to start working on something for this, or a real dev could get there hands on this and see what is possible. I guess the only true way to put this to the test is for someone to get there hands on one of these beast of a SD card (64 to 128 gig what ) and stick it in the HD2 to see what it does.
I am still deliberating wether to get the HD2. One thing that worries me is the quite limited storage capacity with the microSD card. As far as I understand the microSD (SDHC) standard only supports up to 32GB capacities. I know 32GB is quite large, but I anticipate my needs will grow.
My question is - will HD2 be able to use the 64Gb, 128GB .... cards that come out probably one year from now.
Thanks for your help
Seeing 32GB cards aren't available yet, and we've been waiting for them for like 2 years, I'm pretty sure you'll have changed your HD2 before 64GB cards are here
But to the question, no idea. That would depend on whether drivers that support the new format extension are made available.
I believe 64GB is here in couple of months. Blackberry rumours are that new devices will come with support for 64GB microsd cards.
http://forums.crackberry.com/f2/32-64gb-micro-sd-cards-275113/
My friend ordered 2 usb sticks 64GB - 22USD each but I haven't seen them yet (I hope he gets them). That tells me that prices are still in freefall.
Sandisk is actually developing 128GB micorsd card: http://www.physorg.com/news143893844.html
I guess the problem is not with the sheer size of the microsd (ok that is important if you have a huge music library or movies or something else that needs to be on your phone all the time), but how fast it is while copying. If you put it in your phone and connect usb, how fast is it in disk mode? 20 MB/s?
HD2 has a microSDHD slot, which supports a maximum capacity of 32GB - or will it be able to use microSDXC cards? Is's probably more than a "firmware" upgrade from SDHC to SDXC.
I agree read and write speed are very important to - has anyone done any tests on the speed of the microSD slot?
20MB/s seems optimistic...
It's microSDHC... which means a maximum of 32GB.
microSDXC cards with more than 32GB will NOT work.
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Is's probably more than a "firmware" upgrade from SDHC to SDXC.
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Well, SD to SDHC was a firmware upgrade away for many common controllers. But I've just done a little search and it seems that it might not be the case for SDHC to SDXC indeed.
luxusxda said:
I agree read and write speed are very important to - has anyone done any tests on the speed of the microSD slot?
20MB/s seems optimistic...
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It obviously depends a lot on the card used, some will take 3MB/s while some will take 20MB/s...
It does seem that it's a bit slower than a usual card reader, around 5MB/s with my class 6 8GB Sandisk card vs ~12 in a good card reader.
does HD2 support micro SDHC 64GB card?
Hi,
Here is a real eBay link to buy 64GB Micro SDHC card.
So we can put availability-problem aside.
Is it written in Micro SDHC specification that the limit is 32GB?
I dont see any 32GB size limit for Micro SDHC.
I would like to buy 64GB Micro SdHC
Can someone please tell me whether HD2 supports 64GB Micro SDHC?
Thanks in advance
Edit: confirmed that 64GB card works and its in use over a couple of years.
kilrah said:
Seeing 32GB cards aren't available yet, and we've been waiting for them for like 2 years, I'm pretty sure you'll have changed your HD2 before 64GB cards are here
But to the question, no idea. That would depend on whether drivers that support the new format extension are made available.
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Well if you do buy and try it, please tell us if it works
Just check in Google and don´t let Yourself be misled by wishful thinking: 32 GB mSD cards were announced by Sandisk in Feb 2009 and still we have to wait for shipping them by expansys or easydevices.co.uk until end of May 2010, maybe June..........
Do You really think an ebay-offer of 64GB is serious ? It is only that You BELIEVE in this offer since You badly want it ! It is like believing in a religion because You HOPE that someone else might tackle with Your problems and hopes. But there is NO such other, because it does not EXIST, as well as 64 GB mSD do not exist and will not exist for the next years.
Nobody will develop them, ´cause there will be no market for them ! When 64 GB + mSD cards can be built at a reasonable prize nobody would buy them ´cause everyone of the possible customers (esp. the people HERE = early adopters = tech freaks) will already have changed their devices 2-3 times to devices with mSDXC-standards (such as HTC HD3, HD4, HD5 .......... )
Don´t BELIEVE and HOPE, just KNOW and be REALISTIC: there will be no 64GB mSD-card .............
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Just check in Google and don´t let Yourself be misled by wishful thinking: 32 GB mSD cards were announced by Sandisk in Feb 2009 and still we have to wait for shipping them by expansys or easydevices.co.uk until end of May 2010, maybe June..........
Do You really think an ebay-offer of 64GB is serious ? It is only that You BELIEVE in this offer since You badly want it ! It is like believing in a religion because You HOPE that someone else might tackle with Your problems and hopes. But there is NO such other, because it does not EXIST, as well as 64 GB mSD do not exist and will not exist for the next years.
Nobody will develop them, ´cause there will be no market for them ! When 64 GB + mSD cards can be built at a reasonable prize nobody would buy them ´cause everyone of the possible customers (esp. the people HERE = early adopters = tech freaks) will already have changed their devices 2-3 times to devices with mSDXC-standards (such as HTC HD3, HD4, HD5 .......... )
Don´t BELIEVE and HOPE, just KNOW and be REALISTIC: there will be no 64GB mSD-card .............
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I just wanted to look for a bigger card than the stock 16GB, even a 32GB would do, nothing particular about 64GB, nor is looking for higher capacity card any pressing need.
I am least bothered to think so much about manufacturing trouble before looking for a higher capacity card, I dont give a damn about manufacturing trouble if any.
I just searched higher capacity card than 16GB and checked at one which happened to be 64GB.
There is no need to involve big things like hope or belief in something so unimportant or cheap as a SD card.
hello
Is there someone who really tested 64 or 128 GB SDXC, on HD2?
If i remenber well, 64gb is not possible
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Yes, 64GB microSD works on HD2...
I've learnt to never say never...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1414126
SanDisk Mobile Ultra MicroSDXC 64GB
I installed the Tytung ICS build on a SanDisk Mobile Ultra MicroSDXC 64GB.
Works fine! Just needs to be farmatted in Fat32
If you believe that it looks like we can add an additional 32 Gig SD card to the Samsung focus prior to initializing it (or at least requiring a hard reset after it is inserted), exactly what is the type of card which we may utilize? Brand and type, or even better, a link to an example would be an ideal answer. TIA.
If this thing really does need to be in the phone before it is set up, or require a hard reset, I may as well have the thing (SD card) in my hot little hand before I walk into an att store and the clerk tries to slip the battery in the phone.
Is a standard Micro SD all that is required?
http://wmpoweruser.com/expandable-storage-confirmed-in-windows-phone-7-required-a-hard-reset/
According to Microsoft it requires a special high-performance sd card so I doubt a normal one will work. If it does work you probably won't like the performance. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/howto/wp7/basics/sd-cards-and-my-phone.aspx
i read that they will be availalbe at att store where you purchase your phone.. may cost more than other places but without knowing what type may have to wait til phone is released..
Hmmm...I cannot find a US vendor to purchase one of these:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/newsView.do?news_id=1119
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Hmmm...I cannot find a US vendor to purchase one of these:
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Expected release date November 8, Carrier AT&T according to Phonearena.
From what I have read, the special part of this is the way the OS creates a RAID to combine internal and external memory. I suspect that a class 6 card will work perfectly.
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With it being extra important that the Micro SDHC card doesn't fail; which brands of flash do you people recommend?
I have had a 8GB class 6 Transcend card in my LG Xenon for almost 2 years. Used it in my GPS, and my daughters DSi, and have added countless movies to it. It's been heavily used and hasn't failed. But when I go to buy 16GB the reviews aren't so high on the Transcend.
* I can't find a reference on PhoneArena to the above mentioned Samsung 30nm-class, High-density NAND Flash for Mobile Devices. Were you referring to the phone it's self being released on Nov 8th?
Has anyone any word of the type of SD card we will need to get?
On the AT&T wireless message board there's a posting of an email from Jeff Bradley, AT&T Senior VP of devices, that states it will support a class 2 or higher microSD card.
http://forums.wireless.att.com/t5/Samsung/Samsung-Focus-usable-SD-card-specs/m-p/2532157
AHHHH....
"Windows Phone uses a special high–performance SD card that works differently than SD cards in other devices.
When your phone is built and first set up, its internal storage and SD card are combined and recognized as one storage system," -Microsoft
I believe this is referring to the 1GB ROM internal storage(for operating system) and 8GB internalSD card flash both being the Samsung 30nm NANDHP Flash
I've read posts around the net about a Samsung rep stating the MicroSD just under the battery cover would be removable. I'm starting to see that as a possibility.
I just received an email back from Samsung Tech Support.
My Question: " SGH-i917 Focus for AT&T, need clarification on MicroSD slot
Are MicroSD flash drives used in the slot under the battery cover capable of being removed with out hard resetting the phone/operating system (Windows Phone 7)?
I'm not referring to the internal 8GB memory in the core of the phone. "
Their Answer: " Thank you for your inquiry. If you are referring to the memory card that you have on the phone, it will not affect the functionality of the phone either the operating system of the phone.
Should you desire additional assistance resolving this, we invite you to call Samsung Customer Support by phone at our toll free number 1-888-987-4357 between the hours 7:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Monday through Friday, and 9:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Saturday, Central Standard Time.
We thank you for your continued interest in Samsung products.
Sincerely,
Technical Support
Carissa Joy "
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OK, just got off phone with Samsung tech support, via the phone # above.
She told me that the MicroSD card slot under the battery cover WILL BE REMOVABLE WITHOUT HARD RESET of the phone.
That I can use multiple MicroSD cards with the phone, i.e. adding movies to multiple MicroSD flash drives for a vacation.
AS LONG AS the flash drive is only used in the SGH-i917 Focus and a Computer.
If added to another phone or device it may require reformatting before using in the Focus again.
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That I can use multiple MicroSD cards with the phone, i.e. adding movies to multiple MicroSD flash drives for a vacation.
AS LONG AS the flash drive is only used in the SGH-i917 Focus and a Computer.
If added to another phone or device it may require reformatting before using in the Focus again.
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That is just so contrary to anything and everything we've seen so far that it is hard to credit.
I've already ordered a class 6 16GB card (the Transcend, I hope it fares better than the reviews cited above) but I ordered it for the additional storage, not with any expectation of being able to swap it in and out or use on a computer.
As far as hoping for anything more, it would only be that a class 6 card might perform better than a class 0 or 2 which others in the HD7 forum report are being shipped in the HD7.
Well I doubt the tier one tech support agent knows more then the hands on reviewers online. Based on the comparisons, I think the Focus uses at least class 4 or 6 speed internal memory. Every video and head to head comparison Ive see thinks the Focus is faster the its comp. I did notice updated spec stating 512MB RAM, 1GB Flash Rom (Prior was 1GB ROM), 8GB Flash Storage. I think the Flash ROM is Samsung's Nano Flash chips, the 8GB storage Ive read to be ScanDisk. Does ScanDisk use Samsung flash chips?
A week from today the answers and im sure more questions will start flooding in.
I got the Focus this morning, and I tried a run-of-the-mill class 2 SanDisk 16GB card, and after doing a hard reset, its working like a charm. 22GB of memory for me. Doesn't appear to have degraded my performance, either.
Where do you lookup the available memory? I've inserted a class 4 16GB Lexar card but I don't know where to look to verify the memory.
memory card
what's being told to all att employees is that we are not to sell any memory cards with the phone because they're not supposed to work with any of the ones we carry. I've been afraid to put one in mine because of this but if its been working for ya'll idk what to believe now.
Rep at the att store told me this morning that theyre working on an OTA software update to correct this SD card issue, so hopefully it'll be sometime soon.
Has anyone tried using the 16Gb Kingston Class 6 card in the Focus? Results?
My 16GB class 6 card is working great. 22GB of storage.
Go to settings, about and it will tell you have much storage. I had to hit reset phone under that page for it to work.
I installed a 16GB class 6 card in mine this morning and it was working fine, then after reading of a problem after a soft reset I tried it and sure enough, it forgot everything I'd set up and I had to start over.
According to this
http://www.clove.co.uk/dell-venue-pro
The Dell Venu Pro has an SDHC slot capable of handling the new 32GB cards, to don't forget to order a card with your phone. Remember you have to do a hard reset when you change cards, so it's easiest to bung a huge card in before you first switch it on to save pain later!
Wheres it say that? cannot see that at all on that site..
You're not looking very hard...
Incidentally, Expansys also confirm the SDHC slot is present.
Really sorry mate, I thought what you had said had been quoted from the site!
Tempts me even more at the Venue Pro now... £440 isnt a bad deal either and looks really nice.
Saw the HD7 in the O2 store today, looked lovely but I have a Touch Pro 2 and I really think I would miss a hardware keyboard if I went for another phone other than the Venue Pro or the HTC Pro 7
A NOTE ON WP7 AND SD CARDS:
At the moment, no publicly available microSD card has the correct characteristics to be used as internal memory for WP7.
The "Class" system for SD cards measures minimum bulk transfer speeds, while this is useful for devices like cameras, it is not so good if the SD card is being used as a device's main storage.
This is not FUD or BS - the micro SD cards being shipped with the phones have a lower latency and random read\write rates than the normal ones you can purchase.
The reason they are including user-accessible slots is such that 1) the carriers can offer different capacity sizes in-store when selling the phone and 2) (hopefully) in the near future they may be cards that are publicly available with the correct characteristics that can be certified to work with WP7.
For the time being, I would recommend holding off on buying a micro SD card for your WP7.
TehPenguin said:
A NOTE ON WP7 AND SD CARDS:
At the moment, no publicly available microSD card has the correct characteristics to be used as internal memory for WP7.
The "Class" system for SD cards measures minimum bulk transfer speeds, while this is useful for devices like cameras, it is not so good if the SD card is being used as a device's main storage.
This is not FUD or BS - the micro SD cards being shipped with the phones have a lower latency and random read\write rates than the normal ones you can purchase.
The reason they are including user-accessible slots is such that 1) the carriers can offer different capacity sizes in-store when selling the phone and 2) (hopefully) in the near future they may be cards that are publicly available with the correct characteristics that can be certified to work with WP7.
For the time being, I would recommend holding off on buying a micro SD card for your WP7.
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http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/windows-phone-7-does-support-removable-storage-proof
Sorry, I call BS!
how to do a hard reset on wp7
on iphone, when i do a hard reset, the OS is also wiped
is it the same on wp7???
i'm newbie on wp7
Adam86 said:
Really sorry mate, I thought what you had said had been quoted from the site!
Tempts me even more at the Venue Pro now... £440 isnt a bad deal either and looks really nice.
Saw the HD7 in the O2 store today, looked lovely but I have a Touch Pro 2 and I really think I would miss a hardware keyboard if I went for another phone other than the Venue Pro or the HTC Pro 7
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I know exactly what you mean - I had a play with a HD7 in my local O2 store and was really really impressed by how fluid and responsive WP7 is. The handset is far better in the flesh than on video reviews and photos. Loved it!
I have the Dell Venue pro on pre-order at Clove.co.uk and Im very tempted to go with the HD7 now...
What do I do!?!?!
So, we now get told yes, there are slots, but you can't use them
So my question now is, when will we be able to buy them( I will personally pay$150 for a class 6 32GB micro SD)
Luckily I don't need a new phone yet, but I also don't want to sit on the outside for 5 months without any new hardware.
bigsro said:
I know exactly what you mean - I had a play with a HD7 in my local O2 store and was really really impressed by how fluid and responsive WP7 is. The handset is far better in the flesh than on video reviews and photos. Loved it!
I have the Dell Venue pro on pre-order at Clove.co.uk and Im very tempted to go with the HD7 now...
What do I do!?!?!
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Bear in mind the HD7 doesn't have an SD card slot, nor does it have an AMOLED screen or Gorilla Glass. The Venue Pro has all that plus 1GB ROM and a hardware keyboard. And it's cheaper.
Michael_W_L said:
So, we now get told yes, there are slots, but you can't use them
So my question now is, when will we be able to buy them( I will personally pay$150 for a class 6 32GB micro SD)
Luckily I don't need a new phone yet, but I also don't want to sit on the outside for 5 months without any new hardware.
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Class 6 32GB Micro SDHC cards aren't available yet AFAIK.
Also, yes you CAN use the SD card slot on the Venue Pro. Please pay attention. You just slip the SD card in and do a hard reset. Easy-peasy.
Jim Coleman said:
Class 6 32GB Micro SDHC cards aren't available yet AFAIK.
Also, yes you CAN use the SD card slot on the Venue Pro. Please pay attention. You just slip the SD card in and do a hard reset. Easy-peasy.
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Class 6 SD cards are available, I believe Kingston claims to have a Class 10. But remember that the 'Class' system only refers to minimum bulk continuous read\write - not latency or random read\write.
And, yes, you technically CAN use the card slot. What I am saying is that it is NOT RECOMMENDED.
I know some of you won't believe me\Microsoft's own documentation, but the WP7 guys did tests with standard SD cards and they could not achieve the performance they were targeting and, in some cases, caused strange behavior, serious slow downs and even crashes.
So it is possible but, like everything else on this site, you do it at your own risk.
Surely there must be a legitimate technical/design requirement as to why expansion slots are not on the first batch of handsets?
Also if they are going to use custom cards for system/storage doesnt this kind of increase costs?
Jim - good shout on the Venue Pro advantages! I was having a weak moment - I want a WP7 handset now! lol
TehPenguin said:
Class 6 SD cards are available, I believe Kingston claims to have a Class 10. But remember that the 'Class' system only refers to minimum bulk continuous read\write - not latency or random read\write.
And, yes, you technically CAN use the card slot. What I am saying is that it is NOT RECOMMENDED.
I know some of you won't believe me\Microsoft's own documentation, but the WP7 guys did tests with standard SD cards and they could not achieve the performance they were targeting and, in some cases, caused strange behavior, serious slow downs and even crashes.
So it is possible but, like everything else on this site, you do it at your own risk.
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Thank You for explaining that!
There is no information though on when there might be cards available which a normal person could buy?
bigsro said:
Surely there must be a legitimate technical/design requirement as to why expansion slots are not on the first batch of handsets?
Also if they are going to use custom cards for system/storage doesnt this kind of increase costs?
Jim - good shout on the Venue Pro advantages! I was having a weak moment - I want a WP7 handset now! lol
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Sounds about like how they use a custom HDD for their Xbox.... :|
I can go through a few hard resets...unless there is issue with identification of device.
If not then I can use a hard reset
It seems to be less custom cards, in the fact that they can only be sourced through MS, but higher performance cards, unlike the HDDs which are just a rip-off.
Seeing as the cards memory seems to be completely added to the standard, much faster flash memory, it would bog down the system when being accessed, compared to the faster flash used in the phone memory.
If there is such a thing as a class 6 or 10 32GB Micro SDHC card, I'd very much like to see a link to it so I can make a purchase. My class 2 is in the post as it's the fastest I could find.
The notion that putting an SD card in a phone's SD card slot is "NOT RECOMMENDED" is rubbish and again I'd love to see a reference that shows this is the case.
I saw a Focus review where they put a 32GB card in the SD slot and other than having to do a hard reset, they had no problems at all.
WP7 presents the combined internal and SD card storage as one block to the applications, but I'm sure that deep in the OS it knows the difference and uses the faster internal memory when efficiency calls for it.
I just received my Sandisk 32GB Micro SDHC and although it was advertised as class 2, it is in fact class 4! Rejoice!