I was v excited about this phone having a wheel, but its not all that great. Do you all find it useful, and in what ways?
Is there a way to change the scroll wheen so it smoothly screen down the screen in opera for instance? At the moment scolling takes so long that I: find it better to use the stylus on teh scroll bar and drag the window down.
I think the wheel is absolutely great!
However, you should be aware that the wheel is only "connected" to the up and down buttons. It's up to the software to make it usefull...
I also find it very handy. Wheel (up-down and press) and OK button right above it gives perfect control while reading, serfing Internet and even reading e-mails, etc. Several days and you'll be wondering how you've managed to live without it.
The scroll wheel and the left OK button together make a wonderful one-handed pair for navigating the Today Screen.
On the Today Screen, pressing the OK button opens the Start Menu, and then you can navigate/select using the wheel.
Fantastic!
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I am really missing the abilty to quickly change the volume of the phone using the up down wheel like you could on the wizard.
The fact the wheel allows easy access to the screen is great though.
The ideal solution seems to be to map the left hand side ok button to the volume control instead of the start menu when on the today screen.
unfortunatly the buttons options in the settings do not include the ok button.
Is anyone aware of how to do this?
Maybe one of Vijay's apps could achieve this...
On my wizard, a program called SmartsKey (which also mostly works on our Mogul) could use the rocker switch as a volume up and down toggle, when you are outside of a call.
I am annoyed at having to tap the volume icon to change my volume on my phone when at the today screen. We need to have some way to map the scroll wheel's button to open the volume settings when pushed, and then we could simply scroll the wheel up or down to change the volume. Also on the wizard, you could hold down the comm manager button to toggle mute.
I would be willing to work on this with anyone else that would like to try and either make a script or small app that would allow us to do this. It's one of the only major gripes I have so far with this phone. I guess I was just spoiled with the wizard, but I know that this is a hugely capable phone. It would make sense that we could map something to that push button on the wheel. I just don't know how to look for it.
What do you think? Wouldn't that make adjusting the volume a lot better? It seems like this should be the way it works from the factory.
****UPDATE****
I have found a little 48k app that opens the volume balloon. This will definitely work for now, until I can figure out if we can use the wheel button cleanly or not. I have mapped it to the push and hold voice command button, so that when I hold the button, the volume balloon opens. YAY!!
File is attached for logged-in users
That sounds like a pretty cool idea, but I really haven't been bothered too much by the scroll wheel not always acting as volume. I wouldn't know much about writing a script or application, but I'd be happy to help with testing.
A FREAKING MEN. how ridiculous can they be? every phone since the beginning of time has had a hard button to change to vibrate.
Yes, Please! I have found this quite annoying as well. I wish I had the know-how to help you.
Great idea. I find myself never using the scroll wheel for anything and always wanting it to simply control the volume.
try AEBUTTON PLUS i duno if it will work on the mogul, but u can give it a try
if you use the 5-tabbed home plugin from HTC, one of the tabs is ringer profile, and it mutes/vibrate/normal settings allow for quick ringer change. I find that it is enough for my needs.
that is one feature i love on my treo 755. i can stut the volume of with a keyflick. very useful for when in meetings or with a customer (i am a car salesman). when walking up to a customer i just flick off the volume.
i cannot do this on my mogul. i have to unlock the screen, go to the volume tab, then click on the volume. 3 steps that require looking at the screen vs one that can be done in pocket or a holster...
I am currently getting some pointers on where to start from those much smarter than I. Hopefully I will get some responses and will be able to start on this. I understand the concept, but it will just be a little game of connecting the dots. I KNOW that this can be done. And it WILL happen
nonegiven said:
Great idea. I find myself never using the scroll wheel for anything and always wanting it to simply control the volume.
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That is exactly how my Mogul works....... hold it up to your ear and try it.
now.... i want to design a sturdy replacement back with a coiled antenna and a place to store all these 2 Gbyte micro-SD chips
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That is exactly how my Mogul works....... hold it up to your ear and try it.
now.... i want to design a sturdy replacement back with a coiled antenna and a place to store all these 2 Gbyte micro-SD chips
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It works this way when you are inside of a call, yes, but I am referring to when you are OUTSIDE of a call, such as at the today screen. Currently, the only way to adjust the volume outside of a call would be by tapping on the volume icon and adjusting the volume.
The idea is to push in the scroll wheel's button to open that volume adjustment screen, so then we can just scroll the wheel up or down to change the device and ringer volume.
I agree that there needs to be a volume control like other HTC devices, however the scroll wheel is great for navigating menus, and pressing it in is the "enter" button. Would you really want to give that option up for something else? Imagine scrolling through your emails and you find the one to open and press it in only to be presented with the volume control instead. I wouldn't want that...
Also, remember that the scroll wheel and d-pad are linked. The hardware can't differentiate the two- in other words, whatever you set the scroll wheel and press-in to do, the d-pad and center button will do as well. Think about this really hard before you try it.
bump for the update
update from whom? This is your own thread!
Dishe said:
update from whom? This is your own thread!
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I edited my first post to include the zip, and then the thread was down towards the bottom, so I posted a bump reply so that it could be up to the top again, in the way it would have if I had posted the zip by hitting reply instead. Make sense?
I'm working on something similiar to this... kind of tricky...
I don't want to hook the whole input subsystem, so what I am attempting to do is create a today plugin and that will sieze control of the wheel when on the today screen and change the volume.
I've got it basically working, just need to tweak when it grabs control; right now it does it on WM_PAINT, but that message is sent quite a bit and spikes processor usage. And I'd like to get it working without actually drawing a window, not sure how well WM6 will play with that.
Aso need to see if I can make this work without it being the first item on the today screen.
For those interested the ticks on the volume balloon are the following values:
0xFFFFFFFF
0xCCCCCCCC
0x99999999
0x66666666
0x33333333
0x00000000
You can use those values with waveOutSetVolume(), just use NULL as the first parameter and the DWORD level as the second.
When I get it working, or tired of fighting with it, I'll post the source code.
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I edited my first post to include the zip, and then the thread was down towards the bottom, so I posted a bump reply so that it could be up to the top again, in the way it would have if I had posted the zip by hitting reply instead. Make sense?
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oh, ok!
As promised, consider it an alpha version. I have included a release compiled dll, the source, and a sample .reg file.
Basically, it is a today plugin that steals the focus whenever ever the today screen is shown, then uses the wheel to raise and lower the volume. I think it has to have a visible window, so I made the window 1 pixel high and transparent.
Probably still needs a little work painting and figuring out when to grab focus. Right now I use the WM_PAINT as a test because I figure if the window is getting drawn then it is a good assumption the today screen is active.
Please post any updates to the source.
For those using Wisbar Advance and a button mapping app like Smartskey, you can map the scroll wheel button push to the WA volume adjuster, right?
"mute" button
It's not exactly what you're talking about, but you can get a cab at http://ppcgeeks.com/ring-toggle-hardware-fix-for-mogul-titan-t8079.html that lets you set any hard button to toggle between vibrate and ring. So you can use it as a mute button (but not quiet/loud).
Hi,
Is it possible to use the volume control as a scroll wheel (like in blackberry ).
I rarely use the volume knob but it would have been amazing if we could use it to scroll through the documents.
o2xdas said:
Hi,
Is it possible to use the volume control as a scroll wheel (like in blackberry ).
I rarely use the volume knob but it would have been amazing if we could use it to scroll through the documents.
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Can't you use the dpad?
dpad works fine.
I feel a scroll bar will be more handy the way for single handed operations.
Just wanted to check if this is workable and if someone has done this before.
o2xdas said:
dpad works fine.
I feel a scroll bar will be more handy the way for single handed operations.
Just wanted to check if this is workable and if someone has done this before.
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Ok, I've undestood...
I said "use Dpad" because I've got a Touch, so it is the easiest way to scroll pages... It is central and can be used by one hand...
I don't know how other dpads are...
You can try AEBPlus (Google it), a program which allows you to assign any hard key to almost any function. I transformed my Touch's volume keys to a scroll wheel with it.
Heya.
There was an App. called Smartskey for the wizard that made the Volume keys scroll and the a long press of the Left Softkey Start Menu and a long press of the Right softkey and OK button.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=256525
Should work for you as it works on my Touch Dual.
Sam
mini_man said:
Heya.
There was an App. called Smartskey for the wizard that made the Volume keys scroll and the a long press of the Left Softkey Start Menu and a long press of the Right softkey and OK button.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=256525
Should work for you as it works on my Touch Dual.
Sam
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This works great mate. Thanks a ton.
Normal scroll would have been perfect (Instead of Page Up/down) but this is real good.
Morning all,
I remember reading on the wizard forums somewhere that someone changed the volume keys so that they could be used as a scroll up and scroll down function similiar to the scroll wheel on the hermes for use in PIE etc.
Is this possible on the Touch Dual. if so what would the program be and how much would it cost ?
Jeremy
It is possible for free.
jeremymacmull said:
Morning all,
I remember reading on the wizard forums somewhere that someone changed the volume keys so that they could be used as a scroll up and scroll down function similiar to the scroll wheel on the hermes for use in PIE etc.
Is this possible on the Touch Dual. if so what would the program be and how much would it cost ?
Jeremy
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Hi,
AE Button Plus should be able to do this. There's a time-unlimited trial which should do the job.
Another one may be Spb PocketPlus, which offers less possibilities for button mapping, but maybe (actually I can't remember fur sure) offers exactly out-of-the-box the mapping you are searching for (volume2scroll), whereas in AEB+ you have to make the mappings explicit (VolUp->PgUp etc).
Cheers,
jekk.
I've mapped button 2 and 3 and button 2 hold and button 3 hold to scroll up and scroll down.
The hold buttons work OK but they aren't usable as a scroller as it takes too long to activate but If I map the normal buttons to scroll up and down they still only change volume. If I map them to launch contacts they launch this fine some of the time but not always and other times they just change the volume. So no can do. This by the way is using pocket plus' built in button mapping program.
Jeremy
But there now seems to be duplicate threads
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=351144
Also is the same question
I use this
http://forum.xda-developers.com:80/showthread.php?t=256525
@ Star fish do you use smartskey on your touch dual and it works
cos in this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=369742
It supposedly does not work.
Can you confirm thanks
Jeremy
@jeremy - I'm using SmartSKey on the Touch Dual and it works fine.
Thanks Random yep that works fine
Jeremy
randomelements said:
@jeremy - I'm using SmartSKey on the Touch Dual and it works fine.
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Can i change the internet explorer with what software????
is it possible to navigate, for example contact, in HTC Touch Pro by scrolling the D-Pad?
so it would function like iPod's scroll wheel...
is there any program to do that?
Did you know.......there is a touch sceen?
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Did you know.......there is a touch sceen?
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yeah..
i know..
i just like to know whether it is possible or not..
hahhas.
is it just me, or is the iPod scroll wheel scroll is counter productive?
why scroll and stress your thumb doing a circular motion if you can just press and hold (up or down on a long list)? or tap once, twice or trice (for short ones)?
it's not as revolutionary and "re-inventing the wheel" as crApple wants you to believe, you know..
just another eye-catching gimic promoting devolution..
3D scroll - works in a few places - among others in the browser where You can zoom in and out - as much/less as you want. It works MUCH better than double tapping etc.
I which HTC would have implemented the scroll function in all their applications, because it is much easier to control how much to scroll.
I'm use to the wheel on SE M600 & Pxx - and this navigation is a lot quicker and more precise than tapping&touching - however does not look so cool in the bar
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3D scroll - works in a few places - among others in the browser where You can zoom in and out - as much/less as you want. It works MUCH better than double tapping etc.
I which HTC would have implemented the scroll function in all their applications, because it is much easier to control how much to scroll.
I'm use to the wheel on SE M600 & Pxx - and this navigation is a lot quicker and more precise than tapping&touching - however does not look so cool in the bar
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i'm talking about using the four way directional/navigational button below the display..
it's better to press/tap (and/or hold) the buttons instead of doing circular motions when going through lists..
the zooming function (using the touch sensitive navigation buttons) implemented by HTC really is precise and functional because it makes the process smooth (rather than step zooming) and it also gives the directions dual purpose (press to pan, rotate scroll to zoom).. but would you still prefer using it on very very long lists (say 200 contatct entries or songs on a playlist)?
let's disregard the touchscreen for a moment..
if one complete revolution scrolls you to about 10 entries, then it'll take you atleast 15 revolutions and approximately 15 seconds (one thumb revolution/sec) to reach the 150th entry..
then compare it to a single press of the down button and holding it down for, say, 10 seconds (depending on your key repitition and acceleration settings) to reach the 150th entry. then give or take 5 entry adjustment for precision.
which of the 2 do you think gets you there faster with a less sore thumb/wrist/ligament?
maybe that's why they didn't implement it thruout the system (to navigate lists).. because it is still better (and less stressful) to press than rotate your thumb when going up or down lists..
i find the scroll wheel usefull in some apps, and thankfull a list of applications that it can be made to work in and the appropriate registry entriles are detailed in this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406206&highlight=scroll
Its mains for the diamond but the pro is not so different.
I second that, scroll wheel is MUCH more precise. Sometimes it is really faster and more useful, especially when I just have one hand for operating my PPC (ie. audiomanager).
And btw, click&hold down is much more ardous than scrolling with the wheel (for me at least).
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i'm talking about using the four way directional/navigational button below the display..
it's better to press/tap (and/or hold) the buttons instead of doing circular motions when going through lists..
the zooming function (using the touch sensitive navigation buttons) implemented by HTC really is precise and functional because it makes the process smooth (rather than step zooming) and it also gives the directions dual purpose (press to pan, rotate scroll to zoom).. but would you still prefer using it on very very long lists (say 200 contatct entries or songs on a playlist)?
let's disregard the touchscreen for a moment..
if one complete revolution scrolls you to about 10 entries, then it'll take you atleast 15 revolutions and approximately 15 seconds (one thumb revolution/sec) to reach the 150th entry..
then compare it to a single press of the down button and holding it down for, say, 10 seconds (depending on your key repitition and acceleration settings) to reach the 150th entry. then give or take 5 entry adjustment for precision.
which of the 2 do you think gets you there faster with a less sore thumb/wrist/ligament?
maybe that's why they didn't implement it thruout the system (to navigate lists).. because it is still better (and less stressful) to press than rotate your thumb when going up or down lists..
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I flick, it scrolls, when I've reached the desired item, I tap!
there is a little app called "ppod" and it's just a music player that looks like an ipod, you scroll using the touchscreen in the circular motion that you would with an ipod.