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AT&T/Cingular are in the process of rolling out their HSDPA network and a handful of cities are using it; NOW is the Universal capable of this....I asked a similar question about the UMTS 1900 MHz being activated so it could be used in the states; Granted I was given some very good replies but I am still curious. Over the past week I have been talking to some other engineers in my field and have found that a great number of things are possible with the Universal, it has the architecture to support this, SUPPOSEDLY ! Now lets look at UMTS as a whole; then HSDPA ! HSDPA is a software upgrade to existing UMTS software, that's all ! SO is it possible that we can have HSDPA on the Universal with an upgrade to the radio stack, I think YES !...and the bands should also be able to be activate, current UMTS 2100 MHz to 1900 MHz so it becomes dual band...the other is the GSM 850 band ! That apparently can be activated !...HOW is the big questions....Most of the HTC is limited by software; not hardware...its existing hardware has been built with scalability in mind...I just hope that some one can figure out the radio stack updates to facilitate this functionality !
The current model does not support HSDPA. However, I heard that the HSDPA version is due before year-end.
Hi everyone,
Orange France say that the HSDPA is open in Paris and suburbs.
A few month ago I've made some HSDPA test with a PCMCIA HSDPA car and I was having some incredible speed (about 1Mbit/sec) in Boulogne-Billancourt (wich was the experimental coverage).
This week-end I take my Trinity in Boulogne and when I take a look to the fieldtest program HSDAP tab, the CQI was >than 0.
But when I try the speed access, the max I've got was about 112KBit/sec.
So If I believe the speed test I'm in the average of the 3G access and if I believe the FielTest Program I should be in HSDPA coverage.
And the speed isn't in correlation with waht I test a few month ago.
- In different which speed did you observe in a HSDPA coverage ?
- For Orange FR user, which max speed did you observe with your Trinity ?
- Did the Trinity need to "enable" the HSDPA behaviour ?
falex
Hello !
I'm located in Puteaux (La Défense) just in front of the Seine river, near Suresne. I can perform a few test, can you tell me what to do ?
I have a SPV M700, and the option "plus d'internet" for the data.
Super Sheep said:
Hello !
I'm located in Puteaux (La Défense) just in front of the Seine river, near Suresne. I can perform a few test, can you tell me what to do ?
I have a SPV M700, and the option "plus d'internet" for the data.
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Go to the web page : www.dslreports.com/mspeed?jisok=1
Test with 50K, 100K, 200K and 600K and report the spped measure.
After we could debate about if the HSDPA is active or not inside this mobile phone.
Should I download them direct with the SPV ?
If yes which download app do you suggest I use ?
Edit : I have had a short look on the page and therefore did a few test at work (Montreuil, near Porte de Vincenne)
The results are not very significant : I got rate from 54 up to 112, with different sizes (600 : 54/103 ; 200 : 106/112 ; 100 : 69/66)
Super Sheep said:
Edit : I have had a short look on the page and therefore did a few test at work (Montreuil, near Porte de Vincenne)
The results are not very significant : I got rate from 54 up to 112, with different sizes (600 : 54/103 ; 200 : 106/112 ; 100 : 69/66)
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Ok SO you've got the same result as I've got this week-end at Boulogne ands Paris 17 AND the same as I can test at Rennes which is not HSDPA covered.
I'm very confused with this announcement.
I know that Boulogne is in HSDPA and we can't get the correct speed so I4ve got two questions :
- Is the SPV M700 HSDPA enable ?
- Is there a restriction on Orange which "block" the HSDPA field if you don't have an option like "TV Live HD" ?
how do you know you're connected on HSDPA network?
is there a "3G+" logo displayed on the phone?
and does anyone try an edge connexion? is an "E" displayed?
Super Sheep said:
The results are not very significant : I got rate from 54 up to 112, with different sizes (600 : 54/103 ; 200 : 106/112 ; 100 : 69/66)
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At home, with the 600 kB one I got 110...
I think my HSDPA is enabled, because in the extended rom, there's a "hsdpa /enable" in the tasklist...
To have 3G+ speed, you must normalky have a special option : it costs 4€/months (5 € with SFR)
When you tried some months before, it was experiment , test without the need of this option.
With "total TV HD" you don't have especially access to 3G+, because it works with 3G
In Paris, 3G or 3G+ is saturated because everybody has a 3G phone, so the speed is very slow
bebaer said:
To have 3G+ speed, you must normalky have a special option : it costs 4€/months (5 € with SFR)
When you tried some months before, it was experiment , test without the need of this option.
With "total TV HD" you don't have especially access to 3G+, because it works with 3G
In Paris, 3G or 3G+ is saturated because everybody has a 3G phone, so the speed is very slow
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When you read the Announcement about the HSDPA opeing in Paris (and in the next at Lille and Nantes) they do not write about an option to enable HSDPA.
I know, but if you go to orange-business , you can see that to have 3G+ access , it's only for "business everywhere clients" with 3G+ pc card or 3G+ icon usb modem.
Option is 4 € H.T. and free for some months...
They will open 3G+ for private users soon...I don't know, how they will do with 3G+ option.
During experiment, people could try HSDPA free in Lab'Orange in June and Later "TV HD" with Samsung Z560 in september-october before the commercial launch in november.
By the way, they are late in opening 3G+ in Lille and Nantes...They promised to do it for december...
SFR has already converted all 3G to 3G+ (65% of population covered)...Orange is one year too late...because they covered 95% people with EDGE...that is not a bad choice, because most od people have only an EDGE Phone now...
Hi Falex,
Your problem of speed is normal, infect the HSDPA trughput is "best effort".
It is dependent on how many users are in the cell (if alone you get an example 1.3 Mbit/sec, with another user simoultaniosly you will get half of the speed)!Not only the number of users connected but also the CQI value is important, an exampleif your CQI is low (ex.10) than you will switch to QPSK witch provide lower troughput than 16 qam (good CQI), so if the CQI is low you will have lower troughput as your radio conditions (coverage are lower).
Also the network dimensioning is important. The only way to improve is by optimize/expand the network, and i belive that this probably is allready on the Orange next months target.If you terminal is qualcomm 6280, than your calss is CAT 6 (you can arrive to 3 Mbit/sec in DL if network support). I have the same chipset and here in my network i allready saw that speed on the DUmeter!.
Thanks for everyone to answer this post.
SO if I sum'up, when I've done the test with the lab'Orange late June 2006 it was only a test and only the sim car provided by the tet was able to get HSDPA DL speed and field.
Know I understand that like EDGE, HSDPA DL speed depends on how many users use the radio a one moment. But nowadays there is a little few user and mobile or PC Card HSDPA enable, so what I'm thinking is that HSDPA is not available on Orange Network for common user, unlike you subscribe to an "HSDPA option".
I'll call the Customer center today to ask them there point of view about this question.
One more strange things : I'm located in Rennes during the week, I'm 3G covered and when I take a look to the CQI field I've got the same figures ???!!!??? And I've got the same DL speed as I4ve got at Paris or Boulogne.
I'll check my Extended Rom to see if there is the HSDPA /enable task.
If think that the SPV M700 is HSDPA enable!
The chip is qualcomm 6275 , so only 1,8 mbits/s speed is available , not 3,6 mbits/s
In any case, Orange France network is only at 1,8 mbits/s for the moment.
SFR is going to 3,6 now...They have one year advance in 3G/3G+ than Orange...because they choose to not make an EDGE network at beginning...
It's normal to have the same DL speed in 3G in Rennes and in Paris
Call the Customer Service, they will say you how to subscribe 3G+/HSDPA that has nothing to do for example with "TV HD" (normally)
bebaer said:
If think that the SPV M700 is HSDPA enable!
The chip is qualcomm 6275 , so only 1,8 mbits/s speed is available , not 3,6 mbits/s
In any case, Orange France network is only at 1,8 mbits/s for the moment.
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Yep, I've check the extended ROM and therer is in the config file the "SetHSDPA \Enable" command and in the "\Windows\" directory the program setHSDPA is present.
Now how can I check the task ? (I'm a beginner, before I was a Palm User )
bebaer said:
SFR is going to 3,6 now...They have one year advance in 3G/3G+ than Orange...because they choose to not make an EDGE network at beginning...
It's normal to have the same DL speed in 3G in Rennes and in Paris
Call the Customer Service, they will say you how to subscribe 3G+/HSDPA that has nothing to do for example with "TV HD" (normally)
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Ok I'll ask the Customer center.
Just for my point of view SFR has made a mistake to not go Edge because when you are outside the 3G area you are happy when you can surf with the Edge speed instead of the GPRS speed.
About this did you have an Map with the Edge coverage from SFR ? I looking after this for month and month and I found nothing ...
Guys, I just want to confirm that my Ameo really is running on 3.5G (HSDPA). Is there some icon or way to confirm that? I see the 3G icon at the top but bandwidth test returns 1.1 mbps and I expect more from HSDPA. Or does T-Mobile need to set a switch on their end? I have the web-n-walk plan.
Thanks,
Krip
1.1 is HSDPA, not UTMS
When connected to normal 3G network my Dopod U1000 shows a 3G icon, after HSDPA network covered it will show a H icon.
simdao said:
When connected to normal 3G network my Dopod U1000 shows a 3G icon, after HSDPA network covered it will show a H icon.
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hi, since you can connect to the HSDPA, can you kindly do a test for me for this problem?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=302827
Am i on HSDPA....
As soon as you get higher bandwidth than 384 Kbps then you are on HSDPA regardless of what the icon on your phone reads, most networks have the feature enabled to register the "H" icon whebn you are using HSDPA but not all. The message is part of a SIB broadcast and is set as a parameter on the BTS cell that covers you - if this message is not enabled then you will only ever see the "3G" icon
As for speed 1.1 Mbps is about average if you are in a well populated area, the restriction comes mostly from the capacity available in in the BTS site serving you, most operators only have around 2x E1 (approx 4 Mbps) for the entire site so if you have more than 1 user on HSDPA then you will only get around 1 Mbps each - this dynamicaly adjusts if there is more bandwidth available for you to use. To get the higher speeds then you must be in a cell that uses 16QAM modulation (Tytn has this feature) and T-Mobile has this enabled on every site in the network but not all operators do!
normal 3G is 384Kbps download Hsdpa on T-mobile is restricted to their max network speed of 1Mbps but there are rumours of them soon going to 3.8 mbps, but the athena maxes out at 1.8 mbps anyway, so if you want full speed get a USB dongle.
web and walk plus
Im not sure if you are aware but to enable the hsdpa you must be on the "web and walk max" package in the uk.
If you are on the standard W&W package you will not benefit. I have the MAX W&W and can now enjoy the faster hsdpa connection, further more I can get faster speeds using my ameo and wifirouter linked to my laptop than I actualy get via my usb tmobile dongle.
In a nutshell, dont pay extra for the slower hsdpa dongle, not when you can pay £5 extra for the W&WMAX and enjoy wireless connection at a higher speed. I usualy use my laptop with the ameo tucked away inside my suit jacket, and often have people wondering where my dongle is!
hedgemonstahinz said:
Im not sure if you are aware but to enable the hsdpa you must be on the "web and walk max" package in the uk.
If you are on the standard W&W package you will not benefit. I have the MAX W&W and can now enjoy the faster hsdpa connection, further more I can get faster speeds using my ameo and wifirouter linked to my laptop than I actualy get via my usb tmobile dongle.
In a nutshell, dont pay extra for the slower hsdpa dongle, not when you can pay £5 extra for the W&WMAX and enjoy wireless connection at a higher speed. I usualy use my laptop with the ameo tucked away inside my suit jacket, and often have people wondering where my dongle is!
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Not true, I have both W&W added to my phone account and W&Wmax on a data card and both sims are capable of full 1mbps HSDPA in either device
Restricted network speeds on T-Mobile
ice_coffee said:
normal 3G is 384Kbps download Hsdpa on T-mobile is restricted to their max network speed of 1Mbps but there are rumours of them soon going to 3.8 mbps, but the athena maxes out at 1.8 mbps anyway, so if you want full speed get a USB dongle.
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Hi there, T-Mobile does not have any restrictions on download speeds apart from your service level (wnw max, plus etc) almost all wnw users can use the maximum speed available to them (apart from the newer users). The network is fully 3.8Mbps already and has been for around 9 months, within the next 8 weeks it will be 9.6Mbps capable (with a new datacard or release 6 mobile device) and within 6 months they should be around 10.7Mbps capable - most of the restrictions that users see (speeds not higher than 1.2Mbps etc) come from lack of capacity in the BTS site or transmission backhaul, the system automaticaly restricts bandwidth per user so that all users can be served at the same time, and it's not often nowadays that you only get 1 data user per BTS site!! not in built up areas......:-D
W'n'W Std = £7.50/month - No HSDPA (except on some older contracts) 1Gb FUP no tethering
W'n'W Plus = £12.50/ Month - HSDPA - speeds vary depending on congestion - Athena limited to 1,8Mb max 3Gb FUP No VOIP tethering allowed
W'n'W Max = £25? / Month As plus but with VOIP
Unless someone wants to correct me that's how I believe it stands (the old W'n'W Pro for £10/month was only available for a few months)
T do not limit speeds but the 1.8/3.6/7.2 etc are maximums which are shared so you are unlikely to ever get 'full' speed.
My 3G vs HSPDA test from San Antonio
I have a AT&T Tilt. Freshly programed with the 6.1 AT&T Rom. Minimal upgrades like color KB etc.. I have a Panasonic CF-74 connected to the PDA via USB. I ran 4 test each using 3G and HSPDA.
Here is what I found. Using the stock Internet Sharing provided on the PDA.
Active Sync 4.5.
Web site used: http://www.speedtest.net
3G test 1 2 3 4
ping 323ms 165 182 167
DL 1.33mb 1.01 1.35 1.10
Up .34 .80 .52 .24
HSPDA test 1 2 3 4
ping 292ms 189 640 113
DL .99mb .85 .72 1.01
Up .06 .31 .02 .41
It seems to me that 3G is faster.
I rebooted both laptop and pda after each test.
I connected to google once before running each test.
I waited 5 minutes after each boot up.
I used Keiser Tweak.
Nothing was syncing
Hmm,
I'm located in Singapore.
For some reason, after my HTC TP2 switch to 3G instead of HSDPA..
The Opera and Youtube speed is sooo much faster as compare with HSDPA.
When I was on HSDPA, the Opera is slow loading and Youtube a few time with reload for buffering.
Where else, on 3G.. the download speed is so much faster.
The first clip of the video start to play.. I can see the progress bar is on the
way to complete the video loading.
This proof 3G is better in Singapore with Starhub connection.
I still wonder
BTW, this is what I change in the Registry.
Locate the following key in the registry:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Internet Settings
On the Edit menu, point to New, click DWORD Value, and then add the following registry values:
Value name: MaxConnectionsPer1_0Server
Value data: 32
Base: Decimal
Value Name: MaxConnectionsPerServer
Value data: 16
Base: Decimal
Exit Registry Editor.
then softreset and do a speed test
hsdpa
I need the help. But there is no such option under "advanced network" on the htc tilt 2(Enable/Disabled hsdpa option).What programs recomended for me
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anyone know i this will work with t-mobile's new HSPA network?
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I have a AT&T Tilt. Freshly programed with the 6.1 AT&T Rom. Minimal upgrades like color KB etc.. I have a Panasonic CF-74 connected to the PDA via USB. I ran 4 test each using 3G and HSPDA.
Here is what I found. Using the stock Internet Sharing provided on the PDA.
Active Sync 4.5.
Web site used: http://www.speedtest.net
3G test 1 2 3 4
ping 323ms 165 182 167
DL 1.33mb 1.01 1.35 1.10
Up .34 .80 .52 .24
HSPDA test 1 2 3 4
ping 292ms 189 640 113
DL .99mb .85 .72 1.01
Up .06 .31 .02 .41
It seems to me that 3G is faster.
I rebooted both laptop and pda after each test.
I connected to google once before running each test.
I waited 5 minutes after each boot up.
I used Keiser Tweak.
Nothing was syncing
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i used samsung galaxy s wen showing H icon instead of 3g on att usa california, it gave results of 4.1mbps,
i used sonyericsson x10 on att showing 3g icon (it never shows H icon ever though), on att usa california it gave me max speed of 3.97 mbps
heavyio said:
I have a AT&T Tilt. Freshly programed with the 6.1 AT&T Rom. Minimal upgrades like color KB etc.. I have a Panasonic CF-74 connected to the PDA via USB. I ran 4 test each using 3G and HSPDA.
Here is what I found. Using the stock Internet Sharing provided on the PDA.
Active Sync 4.5.
Web site used: http://www.speedtest.net
3G test 1 2 3 4
ping 323ms 165 182 167
DL 1.33mb 1.01 1.35 1.10
Up .34 .80 .52 .24
HSPDA test 1 2 3 4
ping 292ms 189 640 113
DL .99mb .85 .72 1.01
Up .06 .31 .02 .41
It seems to me that 3G is faster.
I rebooted both laptop and pda after each test.
I connected to google once before running each test.
I waited 5 minutes after each boot up.
I used Keiser Tweak.
Nothing was syncing
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I'm getting similar results with my Samsung Captivate on a customer ROM. 3G seems to produce faster results than HSPDA.
i used this tweak on windowsphone
works great!
The physical hardware between these three models of phones are the same, yet they have slightly different radio ROM configurations set through firmware. My issue is that the 910c I am using has UMTS 850/1900/2100 MHz capabilities and I would like to use it on T-Mobile's 3G network which uses the UMTS 2100/1700 MHz. Has anyone tried to modify the frequency multiplier to substitute either the 850 or 1900 MHz for the 1700 MHz for use with T-Mobile?
Any solution yet?
I would like to be able to use 3G also with T-Mobile and have been looking endlessly, have you found a solution yet?
Don't expect such a solution - I've never heard of a successful radio ROM mod; all radio ROMs are issued by the OEM / manufacturer.
Have a look at the Qualcomm MSM6280 chipset datasheet - it seems the frequencies are probably hardcoded.
but how's talking about some qualcomm? HP has intel inside
Hi everyone,
this post is useful not only to owners of a500, but tested on.
Reading of million post of using 3G/4G usb modem and lot of unhandy actions to do this work, i decide to look for an alternate things, that not sticks from tablet and will not require any hardware/software modding. I found it. Solution was MIFI router. So, there are plenty then on market, but i choose exact one Sierra Overdrive (AirCard W801) 3G/4G. Why?
Battery life est. 6 hours
Can work and charging directly from a500 USB slot.
strong signal
nice looking
also as a bonus, built-in GPS, micro SD slot, which can be shared over net, and a possibility of making small wifi local net.
In Ukraine it cost about 50usd. (Sprint edt.). I have to change software on it, because we don`t have a Sprint network. Used InterTelecom.
Some tech:
Sierra Overdrive 3G/4G
(Sierra Wireless AirCard® W801 Mobile Hotspot)
Network Technology :CDMA EV-DO REV A/WiMAX
Frequency Bands: CDMA 850/1900 MHz, WiMax 2500 MHz, GPS 1575 MHz
Antenna Diversity Support Yes
Operating System Support Windows XP, Vista, 7, Mac OS X, Linux or Anything with Wi-Fi
Operating Temperature 0 to 45° Celsius
Storage Temperature -20 to 85° Celsius
Form Factor Mobile Hotspot
System Requirements Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g
Device Dimensions : 80 mm (L) x 80 mm (W) x 15.2 mm (H), 3.15” (L) x 3.15” (W) x 0.6” (H),
Weight: 4.47 oz (127 g)
AC charger with USB port
Max Uplink Speed 5 Mbps
Max Downlink Speed 10 Mbps
Internal antenna
GPS
MicroSD slot
No receive equalizer
micro USB
Battery up 6hours.
Tested:
Iconia A500 32GB, stock. No modification done.
Sierra Overdrive 3G/4G. Sprint edition, software custom modified to support Intertelecom 3G network.
Max Uplink Speed 1.2 Mbps (3G)
Max Downlink Speed 2.5 Mbps (3G)
SD card 8gb shared over network with Acer laptop.
Network connected at 54mbit, work clearly without stacks.
Battery: Iconia connected 3G via wifi approx. 5hours 15min.
Iconia + laptop + mobile phone, 3g, via wifi, inside moving car, aprox. 3hours
GPS much more sensitive then iconia internal ones.
BTW, greatly quicker then A501 3G and more useful.
Hope was useful.
Sorry, for possible mistakes, English not my native language.
Or, if you have a smartphone that supports it (like Android), just enable the access point and use that.
Several custom ROMs for the A500 are comming with a 3g patch to support Huawei 3G USB sticks. Since you can get these sticks in combination with a prepaid SIM card for free in some countries, this is another "cheap" way to implement 3G support on a A500 (if one doesn't have an Android cell phone).
Best regards, maris
its true, but if you have.
anyway 50usd cheaper than any of wifi smartphone and much more convenient than 3G dongles via tablet usb.
just use a huawei e585
so this works kinda like a router...so where does the connection come from? sim card?
These type of devices are all over the us markets..
This included pre paid plans pay per mb plans and of course contract data plans . But as said above just get a android cell that you can ROOT.And install a tether app.
Cell plans with data are about the same price as a data only Hot spot device.. Now i am just posting the way it it in the us.. Other countries as where the OP Is i guess likely to be much different .
I Tether my TAB and Sometimes my notebook to my Cell all the time. As far as gps in iconia.. i am really not sure what more you need then the 10 or so sats i go with Co- Pilot on my iconia. in 10--30 seconds..
Very useful post im assuming for people not in the US..
mythek88 said:
so this works kinda like a router...so where does the connection come from? sim card?
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should be prepaid or custom programmed directly. Not using sim/ruim cards.
erica_renee said:
These type of devices are all over the us markets..
This included pre paid plans pay per mb plans and of course contract data plans . But as said above just get a android cell that you can ROOT.And install a tether app.
Cell plans with data are about the same price as a data only Hot spot device.. Now i am just posting the way it it in the us.. Other countries as where the OP Is i guess likely to be much different .
I Tether my TAB and Sometimes my notebook to my Cell all the time. As far as gps in iconia.. i am really not sure what more you need then the 10 or so sats i go with Co- Pilot on my iconia. in 10--30 seconds..
Very useful post im assuming for people not in the US..
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Here in Europe we don't need to root our phones to tether internet. If device have a tethering option ,GSM/internet providers don't block it. It would be against the law