Hi all. Have managed to get DVD quality playback on the Jasjar with no frame dropping.
Encoded a DVD (test sample of 3 minutes) @ 44,100 Mhz Stereo, 128kbps MP3 and 1 pass @ 768 kbps at 640x480 resolution. Damn...it looks good. Only problem is that it's a little jerky. Can't remember where I read it, on this forum or elsewhere, but some guys have experimented with CPU overclocking in conjunction with video playback. Need to find that thread or those guys. my experience, like theirs, is that whilst plugged in to the mains, the jasjar playsback the file perfectly without any jerks whatsoever in extremely high quality!! Obviously there's a power issue going on. Either CPU power or battery (even if it's fully charged) or something similar.
Feedback would be appreciated and much needed.
I'm generally doing things at a lower quality. I use about 500kbps for video and 32kbps for audio (using Xvid and LameMP3, respectively).
I haven't had any problems with stuttering at those settings, when using normal battery power, and with my usual plugins running, etc.
Anything much above that though, and the jerks start, but I find those settings are pretty much optimal quality. It's my favourite balance between quality and smoothness, anyway.
I'm sure overclocking would help in your case, but every time I've overclocked previous devices, it's caused problems here, there, and everywhere, so I don't bother anymore! Over to someone else with more overclocking knowledge, methinks!....
Here's the thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=28210
I'm not sure if it's fair to call it overclocking if you just use the 520mhz setting, but it's been working for me. It chews up the battery very quickly but it's worth it, video playback is now nice and smooth.
Thanks galt. That's what I was looking for. I read all the posts and based on your last post, took the plunge and bought the software with the discount code. Cheers mate! :lol: I'll let you know how I got on.
Q. You mention that you encode at 20 fps. Does it still playback like @ 25 fps or isn't it noticeable? And how is ur battery life now, with the CPU Hack and UMTS disabled?
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Q. You mention that you encode at 20 fps. Does it still playback like @ 25 fps or isn't it noticeable? And how is ur battery life now, with the CPU Hack and UMTS disabled?
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@ 20 fps it plays back very very smooth (if the device can handle it without dropping frames). I haven't encoded any video @ 25fps but I'd guess that it's unecessary. My battery life was unchanged by turning off the UMTS, I really don't think it made a difference, and I typically have my GPRS on alll day. I don't run PHM at 520 mhz unless I'm watching high quality videos, but when I do it runs the battery down much faster. I really want a second higher capacity battery now (Mugen Power is working on it), but I also bought an extra wall and car charger so I can keep the device running full speed more often.
If you have any questions about setting up PHM feel free to AIM me (galtish) and I can try and hep but if you follow the directions in the other thread you should be ok. Do use the filter for the official Intel PXA270 when selecting settings in the speed configuration, and when you go to test them only test 3-4 settings at one time.
Agreed. Most of my videos are at 25fps, but the drop down to 20fps (which I've done a couple of times) is practically un-noticable.
Have a bit of a play around with your settings, and you'll fnd something which suits you (with or without overclocking...)
hello mate! Was just signing off the night and saw you in here. What do you use to encode your vids and are they DVD quality, apperance wise anyway? You see that's what I'm striving for and to be honest, it's not hard to achieve, but the trade off is sometimes a little to costly for my liking.
Hello again...
I use VirtualDub for everything. Bit tricky to figure out at first, but well worth the effort (in my opinion)
Every device I've had seems to work better on different settings, so I'm still trying out different permutations, but the ones I mentioned earlier work very well for me. (Everyone I've shown the results to has been suitably impressed, at least!)
When I get to a point that I'm completely happy with, I'll let you all know though!!!
Hello again...
I use VirtualDub for everything. Bit tricky to figure out at first, but well worth the effort (in my opinion)
Every device I've had seems to work better on different settings, so I'm still trying out different permutations, but the ones I mentioned earlier work very well for me. (Everyone I've shown the results to has been suitably impressed, at least!)
When I get to a point that I'm completely happy with, I'll let you all know though!!!
Be happy to continue this discussion from HTC & MS...:
nabil2000, sub69, trendystyle and other video buff bretherens
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In response to your discussions about video encoding, I thought I'd post some of my techniques also. nabil2000, I think you'll find that what sub69 said about re-converting videos (avi divx xvid or mpeg etc) to be the norm on pocket pc's. I too have beeb doing this for many years and you really don't need the full monty (PC spec encoded movie files for the pocket pc). However, admittedly, the higher the video bitrates, the better the look of the video. Like you nabil I wish you could just transfer your PC spec encoded vids as this would be awesome, but the usage of space really is unnecessary.
My best result to date is a divx 6.0 encoded movie file encoded directly from a DVD and looks just like the real thing.
I used DVDx and divx 6.0 in conjunction with Lame MP3, and the settings were as follows:
1 Pass encoding at 768kbps @ 640x480 resolution (Bi-cubic Sharp), use medium or better quality encoding option and set Maximum keyframe intervals @ 375. Audio is set to min of 80kbps but 128kbps sounds much better and louder on the Jasjar.
The result is beautiful!
However there is a major drawback. It stutters every few frames and often drops frames unless you either plug it in to the mains or overclock your cpu on the Jasjar to at least 520Mhz (I know the Jasjar is a 520Mhz CPU, but believe me, it doesn't perform like it in videos or anything else for that matter).
With PocketHackMaster2005 set to 520Mhz it plays back flawlessly! 8) So I try to overclock to 624MHz like the Axim X50v and it crashes.
Sub69 however, with the same Jasjar and ROM version can happily overclock to 624Mhz for hours. There's a problem here and it's starting to look like hardware differences in my opinion. I thought it might have been operating system build versions differing, but that is slowly being ruled out as sub69 has the same o/s version as me!
Anyway, what say you all? Any suggestions on what's going on?
pixelation
I get a pixelation problem after watching playback for about 20 mins...
I think these pda's have slightly different hardware features or so, since different people report different results... It doesn't bother me either way, I now know a workaround so i am happy, but i wont remove the pressure on i-mate/htc as i think the device was overpriced for what it can do... my opinion anyways... matter of fact i prefer to watch dvd's or divx on my compact player, or better still on laptop or desktop or tv bigger screen, using the jasjar will be only if i want to travel light and take a couple of movies to entertain myself...
greetings dudes...
(it took me 24 mins to re-encode a divx to the rate a third of what we normally use for hdtv on pc's)... quality ok, but ultimate pixelation is a pain in the a##...
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I get a pixelation problem after watching playback for about 20 mins...
I think these pda's have slightly different hardware features or so, since different people report different results... It doesn't bother me either way, I now know a workaround so i am happy, but i wont remove the pressure on i-mate/htc as i think the device was overpriced for what it can do... my opinion anyways... matter of fact i prefer to watch dvd's or divx on my compact player, or better still on laptop or desktop or tv bigger screen, using the jasjar will be only if i want to travel light and take a couple of movies to entertain myself...
greetings dudes...
(it took me 24 mins to re-encode a divx to the rate a third of what we normally use for hdtv on pc's)... quality ok, but ultimate pixelation is a pain in the a##...
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Fair enough, but I can't afford to let it go. My experience over the years with PCs' has been that if your PC has powerful graphics processing capabilities in conjunction with a decent CPU, then all multimedia applications (inc video) will benefit. As the jasjar doesn't have a dedicated graphics accelaerator like the X50v, I am not expecting this...but it does have a 500+ Mhz CPU and in my experience of PPCs' should be more than capable of handling 640x480 vids! I suppose ultimately, we can't gat away from these two facts:
1) The CPU still has probably more to contend with in WM5.0 then its' predessors and is therefore unable to devote enough power to more CPU intensive applications without dedicated acceloration and....
2) As with most PPC software at the moment, what 3rd party software (inc TCPMP) has been specifically written with WM5.0 in mind? Potentially the reason for these issues.
Quite right. Unfortunately there isn't a single media player which was written specifically for WM5 (not even WMP10, right?) so we may be waiting for a while until a properly compatible player comes along with perfect performance?
Which .avi codecs can WMP10 handle, by the way?
wmp10 codecs
for pc's with win xp, i dont know mostly because i always have all codecs i need installed... i had a friend who has a windows media center 2005 laptop and we could play a divx 5 straight away without using any codec...
for pocketpc's i have no clues, it certainly doesnt have codecs for xvid and divx as i tried this, mptcp is the only one who bothered to include most needed codecs...
and btw don't forget that MS hate opensource, so they will delay implementing opensource codecs unless they really have to
but how about the sound, any way to boost it, on headphones at least?
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for pc's with win xp, i dont know mostly because i always have all codecs i need installed... i had a friend who has a windows media center 2005 laptop and we could play a divx 5 straight away without using any codec...
for pocketpc's i have no clues, it certainly doesnt have codecs for xvid and divx as i tried this, mptcp is the only one who bothered to include most needed codecs...
and btw don't forget that MS hate opensource, so they will delay implementing opensource codecs unless they really have to
but how about the sound, any way to boost it, on headphones at least?
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Funny you should say that nabil2000 (no codecs for PPC that is). sub69: this may be of interest to you too. using smartvideo concerter, they either have an option to install an xvid codec to the PPC as part of the smartmovie player or you can install the codec seperately. I wonder if this same codec could be utilised for TCPMP. You would have to go to their website to download the player and they offer the codec there. Additionally, TCPMP also have plugins for their player, I'm sure they are either codecs or equivalent. If I'm wrong please tell me, as this was picked up along the way and I didn't delve into it too much.
I used to use SmartMovie for my SonyEricsson P-series phones, I remember having their codec installed there too...
...what I'm thinking is that as TCPMP is a pre-WM5 piece of software, and WMP10 should be optimised for WM5 (although that's by no means certain, judging by Microsoft's track record!), we may all be more successful if we try encoding in a format which WMP10 understands, therefore cutting out a (possible) weak link...TCPMP.
It's been ages since I used SmartMovie though, and I've never used it on any of my PPC's, so can someone tell me if installing the SmartMovie codec enables you to use Xvid .avi's from within WMP10?
Also, throughout all of this I've been assuming that the native WMP10 codecs all result in having to have huge video files, I actually haven't tried encoding any WMP10-friendly Videos yet. Is there any list of WMP10 supported codecs, 'cause I can't find one
wmp10 codecs
encoding in mpeg4 for sure will be accepted by winMP10, in the past i used windows media encoder sdk that allows u to encode in wmv or asf format, now u can use windows movie maker 2 which is available for free with win xp...
in ppc wm2k5, there is no codec for xvid, or divx5, we need third party one, and tcpmp included them along with others ported from other open source codecs and adapted for wm2003...
happier than before!!
Hi guys. Recenttly done a hard reset and let all cabs install. Only 3rd party software installed is TCPMP and it now plays 640x480 vids much better.
Nabil2000: You can even play divx movies at that resolution encoded @ 1500kbps! and it's pretty smooth. A few jerks here and there, but nothing unacceptable and with the mains plugged in, flawless!!
I think we should wait for the next ROM update and hope for the best!!
tired
mackaby007, i am tired of fiddling with it, i take your word for it... i now have set it up as i wish to use it... i have written to htc explaining about what i wished the machine could do... everybody is competing now for bigger storage and better video even apple with their announcement with a video playing ipod... my marketing hunch is that if u dont offer top specs u dont survive long (or at least the multimeddia digital device u are wishing to market)... thats my couple cents wisdom...
the machine is great (barring the necessary needed rom update fine-tuning), it just annoys me that i will feel compelled to buy the jasjar ii if they answer all my wishes (which are not by the way that out of this world, i never asked to fit the universal with a teleporter or a replicator lol)... i saw a 4GB palm in pcworld last night and the temptation was big to purchase it, but common sense prevailed (i am unfortunately a very impulsive buyer!) ...
I share that same impulse, it's very costly isn't it? Anyway, good luck with your decision. At least you are truly well informed now.
In high quality it is jerky- sometimes smooth but will get jerky.
is there a fix for this?
what rom are you using? you should probably complain there
you can probably get better results by playing the video after its fully buffered the whole file
overall like you, im not too imressed with youtube and video playback
HQ Youtube videos sometimes play jerky on my desktop with a high bandwidth connection. i wouldn't blame the X1, I'd blame the speed you are getting through your connection. Plus, there is a limit to the bitrate video, X1 can play.
I assume we are talking about HTC's Youtube app and not the slower official Youtube one. If so...
YES! It is incredibly jerky on high quality.
This is NOT an X1 hardware problem, a bandwith problem, or a buffering problem. Youtube high quality works perfectly on the R1A stock ROM. Ever since R2 (which is what I'm running on my X1a), and I'm guessing on custom ROMS based off R2 or R3 it no longer plays properly. Pausing and allowing to buffer the X1 does NOT fix the promlem, it only alleviate the problem slightly.
This is a software issue. Hopefully someone with the knowhow fixes this for us all.
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what rom are you using? you should probably complain there
you can probably get better results by playing the video after its fully buffered the whole file
overall like you, im not too imressed with youtube and video playback
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Grizz is right. It should play smooth (at least on mine) after fully buffered.
are you sure its a buffering issue? even when i have enough buffered it is still playing jerky.
from my memory recollection, youtube works fine on r1a and r3a rom.
youtube comes in many forms
think I have 3½ ways to play youtube
and I don't use the offical one
youtube from the panel
youtubeplay
youtube from inside opera
½ if the streaming media thingy that came
with the phone that I never had success with
I have used core player flawlessy with 1.43 rom. I have tried various hi-res/hi-bitrate videos and it worked amazingly great.
Then I have upgraded to 1.48.
Now the same videos run really choppy.
I wonder what was changed...
On wmp videos still play good... but unfortunately it doesn't read divx/xvid s.
Anyone else experiencing the same thing?
Are you sure you use the same settings ? For me 'Raw frame buffer' seems to be the fastest.
Actually since I got 1.48 TCPMP doesn't run anymore. It crashes and tells me to send crash.txt to the developers, but I can't find crash.txt. Strange.
Actually since I got 1.48 TCPMP doesn't run anymore. It crashes and tells me to send crash.txt to the developers, but I can't find crash.txt. Strange.
Yes... same settings.
Anyway it seems related to the audio not the video.
Playing videos with no audio results in perfect playback.
I haven't changed anything. I wonder why this happends.
Hi,
I've experienced similar, although since I've today re-re-set my device today and installed from scratch etc (and with a now pucka purchased copy of Coreplayer v1.3.6) it seems to be ok.
Nothing scientific here: tried it on 1.43 and it seemed to be ok, pretty sure zero dropped frames (though could be wrong).. tried it on 1.48 and exactly the same xvids unwatchable.. now re-done it and again the same xvids = seem fine, stats show a few frames dropping but all in all it's perfectly watchable to the human eye.
Not sure if this helps you at all - perhaps you might get better response in one of the two other Coreplayer threads on here running? Just an idea - good luck!
Man, i got this same problem. I've tried everything with coreplayer, all different settings, plane mode. Still drops on playing films.
I even convereted to mp4 and it still drops. I know it's coreplayer problem because the htc player and windows media play the mp4's fine.
The only video i've seen it play without drops is a low quality 3gp file.
I even tried different versions of core player but still the same results. I'm on rom 1.48 so maybe this is the problem, but i doubt it. I'm updating to 1.66 soon so we will see......
Alright here's the deal, I got my HD2 when T-Mo had their sale on the 19th, so I'm pretty new. I've searched the forums, and I found several threads on the audio/video sync issue, but they don't help me too much with the problem I have. I used Red Kawa video conversion software to convert my MKV files to MP4, and while most people were saying the HD2 is the cause of the delay, I will note here that my videos were out of sync before I ever transferred them to the phone, so I had to delay them from the get-go. That's not my problem though. Now that I have about 10 videos in the correct format for the phone (800x480, video 1024kbps, audio 192kbps, -200ms delay) once I actually place them on the storage card and play them, they look fantastic until 7 minutes into any movie I play and the phone freaks out. Regardless of whether I'm in Album or WMP, and TCPMP won't play them hardly at all. I also can't use the slider to select any part of any video or the same thing happens, complete freakout. It's the weirdest thing, and there are videos I put on the phone without the delay that worked fine 2 days ago, but these mess up like clockwork EXACTLY 7 minutes in! Any advice here would be much appreciated. I haven't used Windows Mobile since the 2003 version, so I'm new to a lot of it.
Just wanted to add that the videos play perfectly on my computer, and I can use the slider on here to change spots...
Whoops! I thought I had both Anamorphic and Widescreen profiles set up the same, turns out one was on the Baseline Profile and another was on the Main Profile. As a result Anamorphic (Main) movies play fine, they're still not really slideable, but they don't jack up at 7 minutes.
I'm having one huge issue with this phone, and that is it not staying connected to the 3G at my house. I can sit in my living room and have 3-4 bars of 3G service, as can everyone else in my family, and my phone will just plumb disconnect and give me that lovely error message that you must "dismiss" before going on. Now if it was once in a blue moon I might be more forgiving, but it's all the time, literally almost every 2-3 minutes if I'm surfing. I don't really want to hard reset my phone because I'm not sure it will solve the issue, so if anyone has any advice here that would be fantastic. This is a freakin expensive phone, and I would hate for it to not work right after jumping through T-Mobile's hoops to get it. My friend's HD2 also has this issue and it's quite frustrating for both of us.
Now on to my question. Is it possible for Windows Mobile to even play 720p video? I have an mp4 copy of Kung Fu Panda for instance, that is 720p resolution and only 800mb, with a total bitrate of less than 1200kbps, and none of the media players (Album, WMP, TCPMP) will play this file at all. I didn't figure it would be that big a deal for this processor but I'm just curious, it's kind of a pain to re-encode EVERY video for playback on the phone. I have some MKV TV shows that are smaller files as well but 720p resolution and TCPMP won't play them either. Anything with that resolution causes TCPMP to crash. I was curious as to whether this was the phone not accepting the resolution or the audio track, which is a 5.1 surround track. I love this website and searched for both of these issues and couldn't find anything useful, so I have to ask y'all
Well, Homestar1217, I am also located in the DFW area and have the same problem. I constantly have to go to wireless controls in settings and turn my Data connection back on! You're right! It's VERY annoying!
It's probably the codec/container that you're using for your 720p file that's the issue.
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It's probably the codec/container that you're using for your 720p file that's the issue.
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Okkkkk... and in english? Please?
It is extremely annoying. If I hadn't already passed my 14 day return policy I'd be taking it back pronto. The new vibrant catches my eye at this point. Quite honestly I'm disappointed with this phone. Both browsers are sub-par, it took forever for me to figure out just the right bunch of settings on 3 different pieces of software for proper video conversion, swype has about a 25 second delay in the sms app before it lets me type, and mainly, it can't even stay connected to the network! I got this guy because of the processor, but it seems like all of the effort went into Sense, and no one tried to optimize the rest of the OS for the beast of a processor that it packs. Anyways, didn't mean to turn this into a complaint post. One 720p file is AVC with an mp4 container and video bitrate of 932kbps, and audio is AAC 6 channel at 278kbps. the other is an MKV with AVC video at 3476kbps and AC-3 audio at 384kbps, also 6 channel. I thought TCPMP would play those files but it crashed on both. I hope all that makes sense to you guys, it does to me
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It is extremely annoying. If I hadn't already passed my 14 day return policy I'd be taking it back pronto. The new vibrant catches my eye at this point. Quite honestly I'm disappointed with this phone. Both browsers are sub-par, it took forever for me to figure out just the right bunch of settings on 3 different pieces of software for proper video conversion, swype has about a 25 second delay in the sms app before it lets me type, and mainly, it can't even stay connected to the network! I got this guy because of the processor, but it seems like all of the effort went into Sense, and no one tried to optimize the rest of the OS for the beast of a processor that it packs. Anyways, didn't mean to turn this into a complaint post. One 720p file is AVC with an mp4 container and video bitrate of 932kbps, and audio is AAC 6 channel at 278kbps. the other is an MKV with AVC video at 3476kbps and AC-3 audio at 384kbps, also 6 channel. I thought TCPMP would play those files but it crashed on both. I hope all that makes sense to you guys, it does to me
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as far as TCPMP goes ... have you soft reset since you installed it? It crashed repeatedly on me before I soft reset, then, magic
if you want a different phne but are past the 14 day ask tmobile to send a new hd2 if you have the unit replaced 3 times in a 90 day period you are eligible for a handset exchange, I'm in this process right now... on my 3rd HD2 and i have the same data issue, after this i can upgrade to the mytouch slide,
*edit* as long as there is no heavy physical damage a.k.a. drop....
Just an fyi...I am in that third phone catagory. You won't get the phone you want...they offered me a Dash 3g! I said "That's not a comparable phone". They said that was the exchange phone and now they're sending me my 4th HD2. I'm having terrible lag issues while texting.
joe the lag issues might be happening because your threads are getting too big.i was having the same lag issue through the regular t9 texting then i switched over to swype in the settings and had a 15 second delay before i could text and realised after some help from this forum that there was too many messages in some contacts threads so everytime it gets to around 60 messages i just delete the thread. This happens with a lot of phones not just this one so give it try and see if it helps with your problem.