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Written from Hong Kong. I've bought a XDAII two weeks before and I believe it should be well combined by O2 and Microsoft. After one week, I really found it as an extremely poor manufactured one. Many defects I found:
1. Always hanged. After a long time I haven't used the phone, then I tried to switch on the screen and I found it hanged... Someone called me but I couldn't know!! It hanged 3 to 5 times per day. What a poor machine is it??
2. Bluetooth handicapped. I've matched the phone with different bluetooth headset such as HBH200, HB65 and Nokia. No one could be perfect matched and the phone always couldn't recognize the headset.
3. Sound quality. Poor... Worst than my old fashioned phone, Nokia 8850, disconnect even in MTR!!
So, I sold it immediately after 2 weeks!! I'll never buy the product from O2 again!! I've sent an email to O2 but no one reply me. I'm very disappointed with the phone and its producer.
I am from Hong Kong , too.
Obviously, you don't know how to optimize your machine.
1. My XDA2 never hang for unknown reason. There are few software conflict with the phone. If I uninstalled those software, the phone works perfectly. My phone is extremely stable right now and no miss call.
I recommand you install scarybear software's WM2003 nofitication utility to improve the performance of your XDA2. It seems XDA2 is affected by this BUG VERY MUCH.
http://www.scarybearsoftware.com/ppc_cn_overview.html
Install both of the software to fix the WM2003 notification bug.
Moreover, DON'T install PIEPlus if you do so. THe current version (1.11) slow down the XDA2 very much.
2. I want to know what is "Perfect Match" . HBH-65 works perfectly with my XDA2. Moreover, I want to know what "recognize" you mean. If you want to say you can't bond/pair the headset, please set the headset in pair mode (please read the manual of the headset) .
3. I strongly believe XDA2 has the best sound quality. All mobile I used beforce is not as good as it (Motrola DB8800 / StarTac / V3688 , Ericsson T28/ T39 / T68, Nokia 8210 / 8850). I used 8850 before, it's sound quality is quite poor.
Maybe it's your device's own problem, I think you should return for another one.
Moreover, I sent emails to myxda.com 2 times, they replied me everytime.
Thanks a lot... I bought it from CSL and I've checked with the experts from it. They also said that there are some bugs regarding the hardware and software. The response with bluetooth headset is poor on average, which we've checked with nos. of new machine from CSL. They've asked O2 for suggestion but they can't help. Never mind, it's just my own personal experience.
I've used iPAQ 5450 before and listened to MP3 music, its sound quality is much better than XDAII. It's true, you could try it.
Has anyone faced the same problems?
franciscwlau said:
I've used iPAQ 5450 before and listened to MP3 music, its sound quality is much better than XDAII. It's true, you could try it.
Has anyone faced the same problems?
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I agree with you, XDA2's sound qaulity (Audio output, not voice quality) is not as good as ipaq. However, did you test it with another earphone?
The original handsfree's qaulity is ..........
(Yes, I know, even with other earphone (with a modified handsfree / 2.5" => 3.5" adaptor) , the qaulity still not real good.
Moreover, the qaulity of the machine doesn't match the price. Too many bugs for a HK$6688 / US $800 machines....
The sad fact is these latest PDA/phones are getting so smart they are more akin to owning a computer than a phone which unlike with the typical blokia means you need more than an ounce of brains to run it.
ho-hum.....
2 weeks isn't long to get to know a smart phone..
The bad
The XDAII is unreliable, crashes frequently, is a brick, battery life is dismal.
THE GOOD.
I can get by with one device on my belt + BT GPS in my hat. I don't need to carry camera, PDA,phone and GPS. Advantages, less change of being mugged. If Mugged I lose just one item.
It will get better..
Advantages, less change of being mugged. If Mugged I lose just one item.
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but one pretty expensive item
well , I also faceded phone hangs every 1 or 2 days and the only way I could do is to do a hard reset(evern softreset can not be done), so after about 10 times hard reset and not install any apps, I send it back to HK for maint. I love XDAII, it is really a powerful PPC and phone, just not stable enough, maybe it is too frag.
I hope it could be fixed, some one said that after a rom upgrade, it become more stable, I believe it is true. now, the only thing I could do is to pray for it.
XDA II not so bad!!
I owned XDA II for 2 weeks. Initially, I tried to install many many software and caused system hang for a few times. However, after I have tried the best-suit software for me and installed one by one. The system didn't hang for a week.
128MB Ram provided a really good perforamce. I felt that it is a little bit faster than HP2210.
MP3 sound is ok with the given headset as the Treible is a bit high. I believed that it could be improved by changing the headset.
There is no need for me to bring a mobile phone, a PDA. Most of the people used to bring mobile phone everyday. However, they would forget to bring the PDA or not bring in weekend. After a period of time, the PDA will be on the desk for a month, then in the drawer for a year....
All-in-one is really good.
I agreed that O2 should tune the machine better before release to make it more user-friendly.
The thing I felt not good is the voice from the earpiece. Sometimes, there were some GI..GI sound during phone call (mostly girl voice). I suspected that there are something like a spring that resonance with the earpiece and caused the GI..GI sound. I would also due to the over-volume on the earpiece.
Does anyone experience the GI....GI sound? I tried to go to the dealer and test another handset, same kind of GI..GI sound was found.
Besides, I can't find anyone TV Remote that could work with XDA II. I will give the software company more time....
sohand
I am from Hong Kong too. I bought it at CSL. The machine was great FOR TWO WEEKS. Everything before that moment was fine until it decided to commit suicide. I really mean it becuase all of a sudden the screen darkened and no response at all no matter what I did, soft or hard reset didn't help. (I didn't install a single software in it). So I took it back to CSL and they were happy to swap it with a new unit. The new unit has been functioning well until now (touch wood). Overall I love this product (except price) except I don't know when my little baby decides to leave me.
Here are some of my comments on the machine:
GOOD:
- Phone reception has been excellent. Even better than many Nokias.
- Most powerful PPC + phone combo. No doubt.
- I did consider SE P900 which looks stylish. But I hate Sony which force the user to use the extremely expensive Memory Stick Duo.
- Lots of 3rd party software, comparing to Symbian OS.
- I like the indepedent volume control of the main and phone vol. and is a huge improvement over my XDA I.
- Also, the brightness can be adjusted for different level, unlike only on/off for XDA I.
- The handwriting recognition is quite good. I don't like the graffti in Palm cause I have to enter each letter which is very slow. I can write a whole sentence in my PPC.
- I don't like the 'hanging' problem. It doesn't crash without reason. (except the 1st unit suddenly died).
- The battery life has improved dramatically compared to XDA I, but still no match for SE P900.
BAD:
- No profile feature.
- Service codes (e.g. **21*phone no.# for call forward in HK) can't be entered in speed dial. It is very useful but I can't understand why my 1/10th priced SE T100 can do it but my XDA II can't!
- There is a slide button in Treo that can switch the phone from loud to silent in one touch. I don't know why the designer can't just copy good things from others.
- MP3 will pause when a phone call comes. In XDA I, the music resumes after the call, but the music will pause after the call for XDA and you need to press a button. It's plain stupid that the XDA II is worse than I.
- Again, one can switch the phone on/off by pressing the 'End Call' button. But in XDA II, you have to click the antenna icon on screen and wait for the dialogue box appears (which takes years to appear).
- It is simply RIDICULOUS that closing a program is not really closing it. To be fair, it is PPC problem not O2. What's the logic for going to the memory screen to close a program?
Any comments?
I do experient GIGI sound during I used my headset.
Do you guys in HK used any Chinese input app such as CE-Star or Monster Chinese?
Hi,
I am actually from Hong Kong also and bought the second batch, English revision ...
1. Obviously the "hang" problem might be related to (1) you've installed s/w that are not compatible with WM2003 (like Chinese system) or because of the WM2003 System Event Bug. As killercheung suggested, there are always workaround and O2 should not be blamed (because it is M$ OS ...)
2. Personally I used HBH-200 and have no intermittent bonding problem as you described. Yes, the CALLER-ID and CALLER LIST won't work as expected (because of the required bluetooth profile does not exist in XDA2), but other than that, it's working as expected. I know Nokia's Bluetooth have numerous problems but it is Nokia's problem, not XDA2.
3. The sound quality is good. My wife said it is TOO LOUD ...
Yes there are a lot of bugs in the OS and ROM itself but I think nothing in PDA field can match XDA2 at this moment. When compare with PDA functions, s/w support etc, even P900 is no match.
franciscwlau said:
Written from Hong Kong. I've bought a XDAII two weeks before and I believe it should be well combined by O2 and Microsoft. After one week, I really found it as an extremely poor manufactured one. Many defects I found:
1. Always hanged. After a long time I haven't used the phone, then I tried to switch on the screen and I found it hanged... Someone called me but I couldn't know!! It hanged 3 to 5 times per day. What a poor machine is it??
2. Bluetooth handicapped. I've matched the phone with different bluetooth headset such as HBH200, HB65 and Nokia. No one could be perfect matched and the phone always couldn't recognize the headset.
3. Sound quality. Poor... Worst than my old fashioned phone, Nokia 8850, disconnect even in MTR!!
So, I sold it immediately after 2 weeks!! I'll never buy the product from O2 again!! I've sent an email to O2 but no one reply me. I'm very disappointed with the phone and its producer.
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Re: XDA II not so bad!!
Hi,
I heard there is NO remote controller s/w supporting XDA2 at this moment, people are saying that it does not have consumer-infrared support ...
BTW, I think the GI GI sound is normal ... although mine don't have.
sohand said:
I owned XDA II for 2 weeks. Initially, I tried to install many many software and caused system hang for a few times. However, after I have tried the best-suit software for me and installed one by one. The system didn't hang for a week.
128MB Ram provided a really good perforamce. I felt that it is a little bit faster than HP2210.
MP3 sound is ok with the given headset as the Treible is a bit high. I believed that it could be improved by changing the headset.
There is no need for me to bring a mobile phone, a PDA. Most of the people used to bring mobile phone everyday. However, they would forget to bring the PDA or not bring in weekend. After a period of time, the PDA will be on the desk for a month, then in the drawer for a year....
All-in-one is really good.
I agreed that O2 should tune the machine better before release to make it more user-friendly.
The thing I felt not good is the voice from the earpiece. Sometimes, there were some GI..GI sound during phone call (mostly girl voice). I suspected that there are something like a spring that resonance with the earpiece and caused the GI..GI sound. I would also due to the over-volume on the earpiece.
Does anyone experience the GI....GI sound? I tried to go to the dealer and test another handset, same kind of GI..GI sound was found.
Besides, I can't find anyone TV Remote that could work with XDA II. I will give the software company more time....
sohand
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I'm from Taiwan, but my XDA II was bought from HK.
You can find that some applications lag or crash when executing on the XDA II. That's because XDA II has too many pre-loaded applications in memory. So, if you want to make your XDA II run faster, just get to the "startup" directory under the "Windows" directory, and delete some AP shortcuts which are unnecessary. Then, you will find that your XDA II runs much faster than ever.
Rudegar said:
Advantages, less change of being mugged. If Mugged I lose just one item.
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but one pretty expensive item
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That is why God invented insurance
XDA 2 reliability
I haven't installed many apps other than tomtom nav 2. The supplied apps are good enough fo me. It only crashes about twice a day, not bad for an MS product, I can live with it. I still use nokia as my main phone.
I am not from HongKong or Taiwan but I can imagine that people who don't have experience with PocketPC's and the XDA I in particular have problems with the general use of the machine.......
I think it is a great device. The only problem is that it is driven by a Microsoft OS which is still in its childhood. And knowing MS it probably will never get out of it..........
BarnOwl said:
I am not from HongKong or Taiwan but I can imagine that people who don't have experience with PocketPC's and the XDA I in particular have problems with the general use of the machine.......
I think it is a great device. The only problem is that it is driven by a Microsoft OS which is still in its childhood. And knowing MS it probably will never get out of it..........
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Hi,
You could tolerate the hanging twice per day!! Sorry, I really can't accept this happen anymore. I do think it's the problem of MS, but O2 should take some responsibilities reagarding it. I've used the iPAQ before, it would not hang as I've installed many many softwares on it. The most important point is you don't know when it would hang. You don't know who called you before... Tragedy... Now, I'm using P900 and it's much much better. The software running is very stable and I could still install many useful softwares on it, except the ms reader. I really recommend to buy the P900 if you desire to have a trustful phone + PDA... Although you have to sacrify some functions.
I really recommend to buy the P900 if you desire to have a trustful phone
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Until you try and buy a 256M or 512M mem stick duo.
P900, nice idea, poorly implemented.
Hi guys. I post quite a bit in the Blue Angel section of this forum.
My BA is probably the worst device I have ever used in terms of both software and hardware issues. I'm surprised they're allowed to sell it.
My question is, Are there any common problems with the iMate Jam?
Like anything alot of these devices suffer from? 76% of BAs have the 'no sound in call' problem, and alot seem to have the whictling screen/serious bluetooth issues. Anything like this on the Magician I should know about before buying?
Cheers -Mike
Hi, ive had my Jam since middle of jan 2005, and my GF got one soon after so i have had two to play around with, and ive been reading forums fairly extensively since then. I have used roms 1.03, 1.06, 1.11 and i am now runnin 1.12 without any major problems. i have seen a few people complain of various sound issues, which I believe are either a hardware fault (such as a loose mic), or are resolved with Roms 1.11 or 1.12, or even just a hard reset (i have experienced low volume from loud speaker which was solved by a hard reset). Alot of people complain of the not reconnecting gprs issue which i have also experienced on roms 1.11 and 1.12 (it was one of the deciding factors for me upgrading to 1.12) it seems to happen where it tries to send two connections at once and times it self out, I find it to be intermittent, and resolved with a soft reset. Bluetooth has been more troublesome I must say and I only use it for handsfree, so I cant comment on AS connections. I use Buzz_Lightyears SwitchIT software (Buzz you RULE) to turn my BT on/off from my today screen. ROM 1.06 had major issues with BT and required a patch, which helped somewhat with the issue. roms 1.11 and 1.12 very occasionly have issues with BT which again are usually sorted with a soft reset, and once working will stay working untill a soft reset causes them to not work, and a another soft reset is required. BT has issues with being out of sync with the GSM radio i find eg. if BT is on while the radio is off and i soft reset i usually get an issue with BT. Photo Caller ID is intermittent i find, which is possibly because of having the photos in storage space, I'm not really sure and to be honest is not a huge problem anyway.
So yeah there is common problems across the Jam/magician range. however I love my Jam and wouldn't swap it for any other device on the market because for a convergence device which runs an MS operating system (blue screen of death!!! MS are far from perfect) I find 98% of the time its stable and does more then I need. is it perfect??...no, should it be?? we all wish...
Cheers dude! I think I will get one. So long as we're not into Blue Angel territory of 5 soft resets required a day, no sound during calls, random hard resets and bluetooth when it feels like it.
OOH, whats the battery life like?
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OOH, whats the battery life like?
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well Imate manual reckons talk-time of 3-5 hours, 190 hours standby, and once it switchs off with flat battery warning you got 72 hours before it hard resets . anyway heavy use will see you charging it at the end of the day (I usually just sync when i get home). with a few short calls over a weekend it will usually last the weekend. And as your probably aware li-ion batteries like to be charged.
Speedn
As expected I suppose. I don't understand why HTC devices have such turd battery life compared to sony ericsson devices and such.
Does anyone know if it takes Blue Angel handsfree or Himilaya handsfree?
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As expected I suppose. I don't understand why HTC devices have such turd battery life compared to sony ericsson devices and such.
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It's like comparing an Toyota Prius to a Porsche (the Ericsson being the Prius). They both do the job with style, and they are both fine technical achievements. But one of them will drain your gas account a little bit faster than the other.
Hi, ive had my Jam since middle of jan 2005, and my GF got one soon after so i have had two to play around with, and ive been reading forums fairly extensively.......................................................I find 98% of the time its stable and does more then I need. is it perfect??...no, should it be?? we all wish...
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Totally agree...
to mike
If u know how to tweak ur magician and deal with it..it will turn into a killer device...
even with the bad quality of the camera, U can manage to take great photos... and with some phtotoshop editing they will be really awesome..
battery life us very good...especially when listening to MP3s ( basically, it consumes 10% of the battery for every hour with the screen off, and using high quality headset)
I use my JAM mainly as MP3 player and a medical reference
BT is good for sending files only as well as hands-free, other profiles are not available...
memory isn't that small, with the proper tweaking, u can get up to 32 MB of free RAM after a soft reset....of course compared to ur Blue Angel, this is very low, but I believe it is more than enough for me -as a JAM user -
if u need to know any thing else, please ask
cheers :wink:
I'm very happy with my O2 Xda II mini. It does everything I need it to do. I have not had any sound problems at all. The only issue I had after a ROM upgrade was the GPRS cannot connect problem, which has now been resolved by downgrading just the CallerID program.
Aside from that, I feel it is a killer device.
Cheers for all the help guys!! I really appreciate it. Think I'll give the magician a go
About Magician Probs
For the list of probs, I get two number for incoming calls: the caller and a private number?!? But this is just a very little prob.
In a thread I've described that my magician simply won't start when is cold. COULD SOMEONE TRY THIS MESS IS SERIOUS!!!
And for the prob of the GPRS: ok, but I don't have CallerID and DON'T want to install it. MUST I install I to eliminate this prob?
I love my magician. Is my wonder machine...
If you do not stop the extrom from installing after a hardreset, CallerId will be automatically installed on your device. For some reason HTC have chosen to name the link in the start menu "Photo Contacts" instead of CallerId.
If you want a more Blue Angel like device (with regards to size and features of the Blue Angel) I would recommend the Alpine. I'm personally not using it because I prefer the smaller size of the Magician but the Alpine is full featured and from what I read from some other users in germany, almost bug free. Especially bluetooth is said to work great, better than (and with more profiles due to the Widcomm stack) the Microsoft Stack of the Magician. It also features the 1,3 MPix camera, a good display, WLan and a faster processor (500 MHz). If you prefer the bigger devices and don't need the keyboard, I think the Alpine rocks.
I've had the Orange SPV M500 variant for about a week now and it's been absolutely flawless.
No no, I decided to skip the installation of CallerID (in the italian devices is called Identità Visitatore -huh?-) but I'm not sure if it's needed to resolve the GPRS prob -downgrading-
Oh, I've got another prob: u MUST know a good program like MortRing to set the ringtone OR windows keep resetting to the standard one.
There are plenty of little probs: to set up the jam correctly, there is the need of a decent regedit and personal experience...
I know the great majority of you chaps think it's wonderful, so please don't take this as a trolling, it's just my opinion.
I've had the orange m500 for 5 days now, and I've had enough. As a windows pda it's fine. Quick, small, nice screen, decent battery life.
As a phone it is awful. The whole interface seems like such an afterthought. You would imagine that it would be easy enough to do basic phone things without having to take the stylus out, but you can't. For example, if you go into the contact book, then click on a contact but get the wrong one, there is no way to go back up a level using hardkeys. You have to click the X in the top corner, which is fiddly to say the least.
That's just one small problem I've had out of quite a few, but it's become quickly obvious to me that a quick and easy-to-use phone is more important to me than an all-singing windows pda, so I have arranged to return it. If your priorities are similar to mine, I would urge you to look elsewhere.
you should try "mamaich's contacts", adds a contact button right to the phone dial pad, and lets you use HW joypad to scroll through your contacts and pages...Its like the missing link I swear. true one handed dialing.
it's found on this board, and is free.
Speedn
Hi everyone,
I received my new XDA Exec last Friday and today (Tuesday) I just returned it!
I'm not here to try to influence anybody, but if you haven't bought one yet, you might find this useful.
Then it's up to you.....
I owned 6 PDAs until now, from an old IPAQ with B&W screen to this great XDA Exec piece of kit.
This to me is simply a fantastic piece of hardware, but unfortunately it is severely let down by the software running on it and comiing with it.
Here is what I found in the last 4 days before I lost my patience:
PROS:
1) FAntastic screen, great resolution, brightness and clarity
2) Very good keyboard. It might be too small for touch-typing, but it's great if you don't have to write a book with your Exec. Most of the functions on the screen are replicated on buttons on the keyboard, so you can use the Exec without a stylo pretty easily.
3) USB charging. Nice after the previous XDAs to have one with a "normal" adaptor.
4) Nice new processor. I know many people on this forum had problem with the speed of their JasJar, but I found my Exec very speedy. I personally noticed an improvement from my XDA II.
I'm sure I could have other nice things to say about it, but here are the CONS:
1) It says everywhere about its 285gr weight, but I don't know if you really realize what you're getting yourself into. If you're used to bring your XDA into your bag or your backpack, then no problems. If you always found a place in your pocket for your XDA, then you better tighten your belt because this baby is a real brick!
2) The hardware is probably the best piece of kit I came across, but the software is the worst ensemble of problems I've ever dealt with.
Activesync 4.0 is a bag of .... Both my tomtom 5 software and a flight planning navigation softare that were working to perfection on my XDA II, are not working on the new EXEC.
I know somebody has been able to install the tomtom by transfering the .CAB files directly to the Exec, but I'm one of those "unlucky" (or too stupid) ones that couldn't install one of the 4 .CAB files and therefore....no tomtom 5 for me anymore.
The other piece of software is a VB written software, I installed the VBruntime and I was able to transfer the .CAB files individually. I managed to install the software, but it then started to play havoc with the Exec (the keyboard light would not come on anymore and even after few soft-reset and unistalling the application, I could only bring the system back to normal throught a hard-reset).
3) I also had the soft buttons disappear on me, and had to reset the machine before they reappeared. By the way, please note that the soft reset on my XDA Exec, takes approx 1 min to take place and restart the system. It's a lot longer than on my XDA II and if you think of how many times you'll need to restart it in its life (thanks Microsoft for its well known stabiltiy).
4) WM Player has problem with its full screen funcition. Even if you select the box, it won't play in full screen. If you like me, have plenty of movies converted in a 320x240 format and you'd like to use them in the new Exec, then forget the WMP because they'll only play in 320x240. WMP will not "stretch" them and they'll only look as big as a stamp.
You can easily download a free software (Core Pocket Media Player) which is a great piece of kit, but this brings me to my next point,
5) Storage memory in the new Exec is not "plentyful". The system should come with 128Mb, but around 80Mb are already taken by the pre-installed software. When you first start the machine, if you look and the memory settings, you'll only have around 40Mb available, 20 for Storage and 20 for programs.....and you cannot bias the size from one side to the other. In this new software, it's done automatically.
You can probably download software to correct or improve the one that the system is shipped with, but you'll soon find out that you'll run out of memory.
I installed on my new XDA:
The PDF viewer,
The VBruntime,
Microsoft Autoroute,
Core Pocket Media player,
and all I was left were 6 miserable Mb to play with.
I know somebody said that the system is designed for you to install the programs on SD cards, but I found this whole thing a bit ridicolous.
BTW, Microsoft Reader is NOT included in the system, so if you, like me, like to read books on the go, you'll have to download it separately and utilize even more memory
I'm sure I could go on for another few pages but I'll better stop.
I'm not trying to change anybody's mind, but I'm trying to make a simple point.
If you're an expert in PC and PDAs and if you're ready to "play" with your exec for hours on end to reach a "usable" machine, then enjoy it. It's really a great piece of hardware, with almost endless potential.
If you are an XDA (or probably any other PDA) user and you think that you can get the new Exec and transfer all of your programs on it and have it working in a heartbeat......think again.
I'm no pro, but I'm not a complete rockie.
I don't want to spend my next 3 months downloading ROM upgrades and hard-resetting this beast, just to get out of it what I already get out of my old XDA II.
My final thought is that if you haven't bought one yet, you might want to wait a litte bit more, until microsoft or somebody else, sorts out some of these problems.
I Hope somebody might find this useful.
ps My apologies for the grammar.....
Wow...
I am really confused on what to do...
I'm just confused!
trendystyle, don't you already have a JasJar!?
And mig31, returning "a fantastic piece of hardware" because it's not running some old (and therefore not fully compatible) software properly seems a bit hasty, doesn't it?
I love my Exec. I have no issues with memory, except it is misleading how they publish.
And software does need to be updated to WM5, so patience. The rom works well.
Its a PDA with a phone and thats the best way to look at it.
Well i recieved my exec this morning. First impressions are that its not that big. If your used to and xda then there isnt a great deal of difference. Its quite heavy but not massivly so.
The screen is fantastic, as is the keyboard. So far i am loving it!
The box that it comes in is wroth the money alone!
I'm returning mine too.
This was my first PPC after years with Palm and the Pam interface just seems to come across as cleaner and friendlier.
I've had AS 4.0 hose the wireless connection on my laptop and no one seems to be able to help.
Another thing that bothers me is the need to pay for 3rd party programs to do just about anything to make it more usable.
Even something as simple viewing the list of programs as a list instead of as large icons need a 3rd party program.
Want to close a program instead of just puting it in the background, get a 3rd party program to make the close button work like a close button.
Don't even get me started about Pocket IE.
I've had to hard reset it once and soft reset the device 4 times in 2 days, this was before loading anything new on it. Just while using it as normal right out of the box.
Finally, it's really slow.
I did not mind the size as I knew what I was getting into. I wanted the larger screen and keyboard. It actually felt just fine as a phone in my hand.
The phone seems to be designed with PPC afficionados in mind. For a regular user who does not have the time or inclination to play around with ROM upgrades, tweaks, 3rd party programs, etc. this doesn't seem to work. If you want to spend hours playing with it, this just might be for you.
I'm going back to my Treo 650 for now.
Hi,
i can´t really understand some of your cons.
> 2) The hardware is probably the best piece of kit I came across, but the
> software is the worst ensemble of problems I've ever dealt with.
> ActiveSync 4.0 is a bag of ....
Active Sync works perfectly for me, no problems at all.
> Both my tomtom 5 software and a flight planning navigation softare that
> were working to perfection on my XDA II, are not working on the new
> EXEC.
Both programs aren´t designed for use use with WM2k5, so what do you expect ? Instead of blaming the device, go and ask tomtom for an update.
> 3) [...] By the way, please note that the soft reset on my XDA Exec,
> takes approx 1 min to take place and restart the system.
Ok, it´s 35 seconds for me, sure, that´s not really fast, but i needed exactly one softreset in the last two weeks .. so i can live with that.
(i don´t count resets after installing ne software)
> 4) WM Player has problem with its full screen funcition. Even if you
> select the box, it won't play in full screen.
Yes, you are right ... the WM-Player is really bad, but just download the free betaplayer .. works very fine and this problem is solved - 2 minutes of work.
> 5) Storage memory in the new Exec is not "plentyful". [...]
> I installed on my new XDA:
> The PDF viewer, The VBruntime, Microsoft Autoroute, Core Pocket
> Media player, and all I was left were 6 miserable Mb to play with.
First of all, the pdf viewer is already installed in WM2k5, so no need to reinstall it (at least it was on my machine).
I have the following programs installed on my mda pro:
- Total Commander
- Chess
- Betaplayer
- Registry Editor
- i-Mate backgammon
- weather plugin
- grps monitor (from the t-mobile cd)
and i have 32 Megs storage mem free and 29 megs program mem free.
But .. hey, if you install a routing software like autoroute and don´t install it on the sd card .. your fault.
Sure, your conclusion is not so bad .. the mda pro is no device for bloody novices, but .. a minumum of knowledge and understanding is enough to use and configure it.
- Superbowl
Read your comments, its a shame.
I am a power user, and I have used the Treo. The only advantage the Treo has is its simplicity and size.
WM5 and the Exec are a complex beast. It can perform loads of tasks. There is no need to always close apps. I dont use any task manager as I do not see the need.
Standard MS apps can be closed with ctrl q on the SIP keyboard.
The device is new. You havent given it anytime to really understand it. It takes at least a week - a month to learn about it.
All of these 'issues' could have been identified before purchasing the Universal with just a tiny bit of research!
Again, it sounds like people are rushing out to spend their money on the latest greates device without the slightest idea of what they're getting themselves into. (I got a proper mauling for suggesting this a week or so ago in another thread, but I still firmly believe this to be the case)
I'd suggest a lot of people around here would be more comfortable with the far less threatening new P990. Looks like a decent 3G smartphone, and would be easier for a newbie. Perhaps get to grips with something like that before moving on to an XDA device when you've outgrown Symbian? (That route worked for me, anyway!)
If only I'm staying in UK.I don't mind buying a set from u guys . :wink:
Many thanks to mig31 for a useful guide to others thinking of buying this device. I do think though that as most of the Cons highlighted have been discussed at length in previous threads, maybe you should have held off a little longer before buying one.
As a first time poster, mig31 may have an excuse as indeed would any unfortunates who have walked into their local 02 shop and bought one on the recommendations of the sales teams. But surely, all regular readers of xda-developers forum should be well aware of the pros and cons of the device. I am also fairly sure that like me, most will be subscribed to many other sites as well.
I would therefore have to agree with sub69, (incidentally, I also agreed with your comments on the earlier thread but refrained from joining for fear of receiving similar irrational abuse). :roll:
Thinking of getting an Exec...
Greetings to all!
I'm new here, just recently registered. I've been doing some background research on the Exec and it seems reasonable. However, I am finding more mixed reviews about it.
I'm currently on the II and I am thoroughly enjoying it! Prior to switching to the II, I entrusted my mobile needs to my good 'ol 6210 and Vx which I do not miss at the very least. Those two served me well.
I am thinking of getting an Exec, do you guys/ gals think it would be a worthwhile investment? I use my II almost exclusively for work and I plan to do the same with the Exec if ever. I hardly get to use the camera and MP3 on my II, but I adore it for having access Word and Excel. The Exec currently isn't available in Manila, hence my search outside. Being behind the curve (in Manila) would guys/ gals know of any hitches that I might encounter by trying to operate my unit here in Manila (phone function)? Are there language settings to choose from on the Exec?
Lastly, by any of you might know of a user/reseller planning to dispose of their Execs?
Cheers!
gavinfabl said:
WM5 and the Exec are a complex beast. It can perform loads of tasks.
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The device is new. You havent given it anytime to really understand it. It takes at least a week - a month to learn about it.
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I agree with you. That's why I'm going to try it out for close to the full 14 day trial period. Then, if it's still not for me, it goes back.
sub69 said:
I'm just confused!
trendystyle, don't you already have a JasJar!?
And mig31, returning "a fantastic piece of hardware" because it's not running some old (and therefore not fully compatible) software properly seems a bit hasty, doesn't it?
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Obviuosly I have it!
I am confused, cause I don't know what to do, and time is running out(1 month for refund...), should i keep it, hoping for a new update, or sending it back, and waiting for real and mature super device?^??
I've had AS 4.0 hose the wireless connection on my laptop and no one seems to be able to help.
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Hmm while you don't specifically state the problem here I think I may have one possible solution...if my hunch is correct.
When you connect a WM5.0 device using ActiveSync 4 Windows creates a Network Port for it.
Now Windows uses a series of Metrics for all networked devices, whichever device has the lowest metric becomes the default. It is possible that Windows is assigning a lower metric to your XDA's network device then your Wireless network, hence it picks that as your default device screwing up your wireless connection.
For more detailed information on metrics see this article
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/columns/cableguy/cg0405.mspx
You can however over-ride the default behavior.
Go to Start>Control Panel>Network Connections
Right click your wireless network connection and choose properties. Select Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) from the list and then click the Properties button
From the properties window click the Advanced button
In the advanced settings window at the bottom there is a tickbox which says Automatic Metric. Untick this and assign it a number, say 20
Click ok and close all the windows till you get back to the Network Connections Window. Do the same for the network connection assigned to your XDA but assign it a HIGHER number then you did for the wireless connection.
Your wireless connection should now be the default!
If it doesn't work then you can just simply put things back as they were and everything will be ok
trendystyle said:
Obviuosly I have it!
I am confused, cause I don't know what to do, and time is running out(1 month for refund...), should i keep it, hoping for a new update, or sending it back, and waiting for real and mature super device?^??
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Ohhhhhhhh, I see!
Well, if you return it for a refund you can always pick up a subsidised Exec or Pro later on for much less money, or you could stick with the JasJar and update as you go along.
Either way, you'll be waiting for a more mature device, just a matter of whether you want a less mature device while you wait, or no device at all?
mjames_84 said:
I've had AS 4.0 hose the wireless connection on my laptop and no one seems to be able to help.
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Hmm while you don't specifically state the problem here I think I may have one possible solution...if my hunch is correct.
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If it doesn't work then you can just simply put things back as they were and everything will be ok
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Thanks for the input.
Here's a more detailed description of the problem:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=168289#168289
See my followup post in that thread for more info as well.
sub69 said:
trendystyle said:
Obviuosly I have it!
I am confused, cause I don't know what to do, and time is running out(1 month for refund...), should i keep it, hoping for a new update, or sending it back, and waiting for real and mature super device?^??
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Ohhhhhhhh, I see!
Well, if you return it for a refund you can always pick up a subsidised Exec or Pro later on for much less money, or you could stick with the JasJar and update as you go along.
Either way, you'll be waiting for a more mature device, just a matter of whether you want a less mature device while you wait, or no device at all?
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Well, as you might know, as you purchase a new device, there are always bacos, problem, or maybe bad firmware:
I prefer maybe to see, if in the next 4/6 month they will come out, with an improved Jasjar(at SW or HW level), maybe at a fair price, not at thieves price, that will allow me to do all the things I was doing normally with much cheaper and obsolete devices (like installing 3rd party applications, games, etc.), without rebooting every 20 minutes
I understand the post on the Treo 650, is by far much better delivering its mission, it goes smooth, never reboot, and cost the half!
trendystyle said:
Well, as you might know, as you purchase a new device, there are always bacos, problem, or maybe bad firmware:
I prefer maybe to see, if in the next 4/6 month they will come out, with an improved Jasjar(at SW or HW level), maybe at a fair price, not at thieves price, that will allow me to do all the things I was doing normally with much cheaper and obsolete devices (like installing 3rd party applications, games, etc.), without rebooting every 20 minutes
I understand the post on the Treo 650, is by far much better delivering its mission, it goes smooth, never reboot, and cost the half!
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I can see where this is going, so lets just agree to disagree now, shall we? :wink:
sub69 said:
trendystyle said:
Well, as you might know, as you purchase a new device, there are always bacos, problem, or maybe bad firmware:
I prefer maybe to see, if in the next 4/6 month they will come out, with an improved Jasjar(at SW or HW level), maybe at a fair price, not at thieves price, that will allow me to do all the things I was doing normally with much cheaper and obsolete devices (like installing 3rd party applications, games, etc.), without rebooting every 20 minutes
I understand the post on the Treo 650, is by far much better delivering its mission, it goes smooth, never reboot, and cost the half!
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I can see where this is going, so lets just agree to disagree now, shall we? :wink:
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Right!
It's a way of fact: TREO 650, at the moment works much better than the Jasjar: let's hope for the future!
1) Or I-mate solve a lot of problem
2) I will buy the new Treo 700, on Windows mobile 5.0
HI!
I'm so badly dissappointed about my Qtek S200, that I rescued my JAM and sent the S200 back to it's shipping box.
I'm a bit surprised to see at this forum so "little" resentment with such a frustrating machine (at least to me), so I've decided to open a thread to resume the complains.
Just a few salt grains to begin with, please, add yours.....
1- S l o o o o w w w w ..... booting. It takes almost as much time as my fully loaded XP desktop.
2.- And slowwww overall processing. It may be related to some programs "optimized" for Xcale, but even the MS apps are slow.... and buggy.
3.- The killing bug: Notes inside contacts, ARE LIMITED IN SIZE, without notice, MS decides how much of your precious info can be.... discarded.
No info about this one in MS site. I synced with 2 PC´s, so I was able to recover my long notes in most contacts. This should be a NO-GO for all users.
4.- TomTom? Never mind, you will arrive to your destination while TT5 is still loading..... if ever.
5.- Scrolling down for Mr. Zun in a 3000 contact list? Again, don't hold your breath.
6.- BT Sync? Out of luck again, The S200 found most BT laptops "not to provide Active Sync services", where my JAm has no problem at all (Widcomm drives on the laptops......)
This and other messages have been written while my S200 made it last sync with my PC, 45 MINUTES! on a USB.2
7.- Did I mention that phone Caller ID pictures are ridiculous in size? Or that you can not access HISTORY calling via the D-pad as expected?.
Too may glitches for an expensive and promising machine. Better if my wife never find about how much did I "invest" in this thing.....
"Back-to-up-grading" to my old JAM, will miss the integrated WIFI, hello again Sandisk SDIO...!
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I have a qtek s200 and am quite happy with it, altought I overclocked it and did some reg tweaking, now it runs faster than two different peoples Jam's . I think most of your complaints are from WM5. not necissarily the s200. The OS is much slower (it seems than, wm 2003se)
no problems here with my jamin. syncs up fine bluetooth. dont see the need for the overly long contacts notes. pics caller id is fine size. slow? not at all. i dont find it slow. no slower then my hp2215
Can't comment on BT or long notes as I never need those, but as for speed, compared to some other device I got to use (not all of them phones and some with faster processors) it is definitely ok.
Yes WM5 is slow but if you upgrade to the latest AKU 2 ROM (I used the one on i-mate site as my device originally came as JAMIN) the speed improves. It shortened the boot up sequence as well.
Still my iPaq 1710 with the 200MHz processor runs a bit faster as it is WM2003. MS really blew it this time, but if you want the newer phones that are coming out, you just have to suffer.
My S200 has been great so far... However...
My only complain is:
It does take forever to boot! It even fail to boot altoghether (stalls) and on two occasions, only a HR fixed it!
Speedwise has been ok...
Impressive battery life!
Hello,
While some of the points listed by Looking Glass are acceptable, I still can't see the problem.
I mean: True! It takes ages to boot after a HR... but how many times in a day do you HR your devices ????
I have bought my Jamin one month ago, and after the very few days of experimenting and testing, I have NEVER hard reset it again.
As for the speed: again, it is slower than the Magician I owned before, but not that much!
I found out that divx playback without overclocking is almost impossible... would you really use your PDA for watching movies ? and if you did, would you really be happy with the battery life ? REALLY ?
Let's face it: Jamin is neither a multimedia nor a hi-spec device... is just a PDA with Phone extensions. And it does its job.
Sync with Outlook is perfect;
TomTom performs much better than the Symbian version (installed on my N70) and it takes 6 seconds on my device to start.
But you would never waste 6 seconds before starting your trip, would you?
Performance and Battery duration never walk together. That's the compromise that HTC guys had to deal with.
My 2 cents.
Well, I won't write a long post but I'm satisfied with my Prophet upgraded with a Dopod rom (and modified ext rom with my needs).
I'm used to overlock it at 240 too.
Tomtom work perfectly, and doesn't take so much to load (6 sec too I guess)... it work fine with TCPMP too in background. And only sometime the whole thing lag a bit to return to the music after a phone call (with tomtom still running), maybe it's WA2 and WAD which slow the PPC a bit on that point...
BT sync without any problem, my exchange server is well configured and everything works fine for me.
Well, that's a great phone for me :wink:
I think my M600 is much better than M500. The M500 (magician) was like a beta, which wouldn't do anything the way it should. The M600 (prophet) feels like, wow, a useable product. Yes, it has a few deficiencies, but it is by far better than the M500. No more resets, no need to always use the stylus, faster (with newest Dopod ROM), integrated wifi, working bluetooth activesync etc. etc.
I'm happy too but I must admit I miss the call history being activated by the dpad.
slvrbllt said:
Hello,
While some of the points listed by Looking Glass are acceptable, I still can't see the problem.
I mean: True! It takes ages to boot after a HR... but how many times in a day do you HR your devices ????
I have bought my Jamin one month ago, and after the very few days of experimenting and testing, I have NEVER hard reset it again.
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It takes ages to boot alright, but Hard Reset is much quicker than a simple SOFT RESET... That's where the problem is and Soft Resets are needed quite often. I soft reset at least twice a week or so... I heard from people that soft reset on a daily basis!!! What a nightmare!
On the other hand, I watch divx movies with TCPMP without overclocking and it works just great!... Of course it depends directly on how you encode your movies in the first place.
Best regards,
Rayan
tarponfly said:
I have a qtek s200 and am quite happy with it, altought I overclocked it and did some reg tweaking, now it runs faster than two different peoples Jam's . I think most of your complaints are from WM5. not necissarily the s200. The OS is much slower (it seems than, wm 2003se)
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I'm glad to see we all have points of view about the prophet.
As for one: Overclocking? Tweaking? I mean, W95 was clearly better than Win 3.o, W98 was over W95, and 2000 over all of them, then W XP sat the new standar.... but I'd never seen so much missing and downgraded when moving to a new OS/Hardware!
I overclocked my S200, some improuvment, but not really "shiny".
It may be about WM5, I partly agree, but there are OMAP machines running at higher clock setting out of the box. Why not use them?
And I also admit that moving from slower machines (HP namely) result in a much better perception of the Prophet performance. I used (actually I'm using again now) an i-mate JAM, and my S200 compares so badly overall....
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pen25 said:
no problems here with my jamin. syncs up fine bluetooth. dont see the need for the overly long contacts notes. pics caller id is fine size. slow? not at all. i dont find it slow. no slower then my hp2215
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No pun intended, but, You really manage to "identify" your caller by such a small "icon" picture? I really envy your eyesight!
I don't have a 2215 to compare, so you are indeed right about it, but the Prophet is supossed to be the current "top of the line" in its class (I have used a Universal too, they don't compare.....) and it don't fit my expectations. Maybe this is the point.... I expected too much...
Un paso atrás... ¡Ni para tomar impulso!. Fidel Castro.
A backwards step..., Not even to take impulse!
No politics here, just my feeling about some comments on "suffering" to get the most of a new machine. So, so....
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Rayan said:
slvrbllt said:
Hello,
While some of the points listed by Looking Glass are acceptable, I still can't see the problem.
I mean: True! It takes ages to boot after a HR... but how many times in a day do you HR your devices ????
I have bought my Jamin one month ago, and after the very few days of experimenting and testing, I have NEVER hard reset it again.
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It takes ages to boot alright, but Hard Reset is much quicker than a simple SOFT RESET... That's where the problem is and Soft Resets are needed quite often. I soft reset at least twice a week or so... I heard from people that soft reset on a daily basis!!! What a nightmare!
On the other hand, I watch divx movies with TCPMP without overclocking and it works just great!... Of course it depends directly on how you encode your movies in the first place.
Best regards,
Rayan
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I mean ages... just for a SR! and I have to do it several times a day.
I'm getting some cue from your post. Maybe the Spanish ROM is to blame somehow?
And for Rayan, my complain is not about A SINGLE PROBLEM, I can live with some of them, I SIMPLY can NOT stand with ALL OF THEM simultaneously. Maybe WM SP2 will fix it, maybe HTC will set higher clock speeds, maybe SW writers will code specifically for OMAP PDA's...maybe.
But in the meantime I will gladly set my "overclocked-twisted-S200" apart and be productive with my JAM.
Believe me, I love tweaking, I'm the biggest fan of Buzz Lightyear, but reliability is something I can not compromise.
:?
slvrbllt said:
Hello,
While some of the points listed by Looking Glass are acceptable, I still can't see the problem.
I mean: True! It takes ages to boot after a HR... but how many times in a day do you HR your devices ????
I have bought my Jamin one month ago, and after the very few days of experimenting and testing, I have NEVER hard reset it again.
As for the speed: again, it is slower than the Magician I owned before, but not that much!
I found out that divx playback without overclocking is almost impossible... would you really use your PDA for watching movies ? and if you did, would you really be happy with the battery life ? REALLY ?
Let's face it: Jamin is neither a multimedia nor a hi-spec device... is just a PDA with Phone extensions. And it does its job.
Sync with Outlook is perfect;
TomTom performs much better than the Symbian version (installed on my N70) and it takes 6 seconds on my device to start.
But you would never waste 6 seconds before starting your trip, would you?
Performance and Battery duration never walk together. That's the compromise that HTC guys had to deal with.
My 2 cents.
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About TT5 I'm talking MINUTES.... not seconds....unfortunatelly.
My point is maybe related to my personal use. lots of contacts, heavy phone/contacts/GPS use, no multimedia, no resident APPs....
The JAM fitted the spec quite well, while still not being perfect. My point is about the many open ends MS/HTC left in this machine.
I've used PDA's and phone/PDA combos for years, and never an "upgrade" turned me so angry.
Thanks for your 2 cents :wink:
End of the issue
If anyone has followed this thread, this is just to comment that I finally tracked down the problems: an inmature combination of ROM and chipset versions.
Spanish vendors come to market with a poor Qtek 2.09 ROM version on the G3 chipset. That leads to such a poor implementation that all the S200 speed problems are highlighted.
I passed my machine on to a "less demanding" friend, loosing some "hundred" bucks on the deal, just to get a month later another S200 from my phone company.
That time I got a G4 and 2.15 IPL/SPL ROM combo, that really makes the S200 a NEW machine to my eyes.
Really late, since the p3300 and the p3600 are already out there.
ok, i accepted the huge size cos the kb is truly a treat to use. however, i have just replaced my jasjam with a more conventional phone :/
first off, im still using the older rom (1.20.305.3) as i-mate haven’t issued a newer one and probably wont since they have fallen out with htc. i am not sure how much better the new 1.3x roms are but my tytn seems to be getting more unstable with time. even after a few recent hard resets and only installing a handful of essential apps i am tired of the random crashing and odd behavior.
the device would randomly crash/lock up very frustrating as i end up losing important sms/phonecalls etc. my hardware keys randomly require me to press down hard (was 'w' key first few months. its fixed now but now the 'n' key has that problem). i have to realign the screen at least once a day.
i love pocketpc's but this is too much for me. the only perfect device ive had is the classic imate jam but that is just too old now..
/me holds his shiny new samsung p310 tight