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I am trying (unsuccessfully so far) to develop a program that will create a data (modem) connection to a modem connected to any other phone. I then want to transfer a small file using xmodem.
I have done extensive searches and tried solutions with TAPI calls based on samples I have found. I can dial the number of my laptop from the i-mate and the laptop on my desk rings. I tell it to pickup the line (ATA) and it does, but there is no "LINECALLSTATE_CONNECTED" from the "lineInitialize" callback function on the imate. All I get is a "LINECALLSTATE_DISCONNECTED" with the type as "LINEDISCONNECTMODE_UNREACHABLE". finally the it all hangs up, no connection.
I seem to be banging my head against a wall at the moment. There must be many of you out there who have done this or very similar.
I can post source is you want that type of thing, but I dont expect anyone to debug my app, but any pointers or others experiences are appreciated. I have come across the RIL interface, but I get the impression that TAPI is the "correct" way.
Thanks in advance.
Frustrated...
Have you got data enabled on your SIM. I was also banging my head against a wall until I thought I would check that with my service provider. There are 2 data things they can enable, one is fax but there is also data. Without data enabled you will never get a sucessfull modem connection.
arrhh!.. that's is. lol. I knew it would be something silly. Ill call today.
Thanks also. God bless you.
Well sorry to say that was not the issue, I still only get repeated
"LINEDISCONNECTMODE_UNREACHABLE"
errors. I am starting to wonder if I am just getting really bad lines. Can someone who has made a modem connection from the PPC to a desktop modem please post their experience on how reliable it is and what type of connection speed it should connect at (9600? 1200? 300? any connection?).
Is their any working sample code for creating a data connection from the PPC using the TAPI?
I will be happy to publish the code to the small project I am doing so future developers have something to work from as I havent been able to find a working example so far. (when it works that is)
Any help appreciated.
Thank-you
Figured out why it would not connect, for anyone else who has similar problems. Mine was the "CSC Line Type" option in the connection settings area.
It was set to "9600 v110" and "Non-transparent".
Im in australia, I understand the v.110 is the american standard, I changed it to
"9600 v.32" and "Non-transparent" and it connects fine. (dont you hate this type of bug)
Im still unsure what the "Transparent" and "Non-transparent" are todo with, if anyone could expain it would be appreciated.
I am glad you got it working. So I guess your code must be OK. I did not set any special communication mode so I guess that my XDA must of been set correctly anyway. It seems sensible that you are supplied with a setup for the country your device is meant for. I say this is bad of the provider.
How do you get to this setting ? I can't even seem to find it on my XDA. I have got a CSD setting that has a choice of 'Analogue' or 'ISDN' mode, mine is set to 'Analogue'.
I did post some code on this forum that is cut from an application I wrote, have a look at
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=7857&highlight=#7857
Cheers
Paul
The code actually worked almost first time when I had all the connection settings right. Ive got the XModem transfer working now also.
The "CSD Line Type" on my device (an i-mate) is an icon in the setting connection tab. In the same tab there is also
"Beam" - allows you to turn on recieve all incoming beams
"Bluetooth" - on/off/discoverable and bonding
"Connections" - normal connection setup
"GPRS Settings" - PAP/CHAP auth and class 8(4RIT)/class 10(3R2T)
not sure what the different GPRS settings are for either, but that side seems to work.
Hey to you all,
I'm trying to set up a CSD connection via RIL , AT commands and TAPI!!! You seem to have accomplished the TAPI solution which i have not started yet, could you advice me on the necessary TAPI functions to use in order to make this work ?
Any help would be very appreciated. Thanks to all.
Have you seen this link?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=1716&highlight=csd
I currently have an O2 XDA2s and am considering switching to the Wizard for the larger, more legible keyboard (who at O2 came up with the idea of pairing a blue backlight with turquoise special characters on the xda2s keyboard!!?), a higher resolution camera and what I hope will be (based on reading the Magician Forum) a better overall integration of features.
I use my device for business and so receive a lot of "real time" e-mail via our GoodLink service and do a fair amount of teleconferencing.
One of the limitations of the current collection of devices is that when yu are on the phone, no e-mails are received. As soon as you hang up, they all start to download/ be pushed to the device.
In reading about the dula processor architecture on the Wizard, it raised the question of whether the Wizard would be capable in theroy, or better yet practice! :wink: of receiving and displaying an e-mail while you are on the phone..??
Does anyone know or care to offer an opinion?
Regards
Chris
If youre receiving the emails by GSM/ GPRS then while you are in a phonecall you wont be able to receive them... however, maybe if you can use WiFi simultaneously with GSM you might be able to.
Hi ShALLaX
Many thanks. That's the same as the Blue Angel then... Interesting idea about the wi fi connection though... I will try that and see if it works on my xda 2s. Will let you know.
Wonder if the Universal will have the capability, as it appears its using a separate 3G modum for data..?
Regards
chris
Well some good news here is that you can indeed send and receive e-mails via wi fi at the same time as being on the phone.
So the moral of the story is.... always do your teleconferences from Starbucks¡
Heheh, good job!
As far as I know...the GPRS class in both BlueAngel and Wizard supports calls and GPRS activity at the same time. But the GSM network you are connected to must allow it. None of the networks here in Norway allows it
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Hi t0flus
Thats very interesting... that must be why it does not work in the us either.... I will be interesting to see if the wizard behaves any differently. Will hopefully be able to try it out in a couple of weeks
Regards
chris
I can confirm that the Jam does this , as my TomTom GPS accepts calls while updating Traffic info over GPRS. Hope this helps.
wardy said:
I can confirm that the Jam does this , as my TomTom GPS accepts calls while updating Traffic info over GPRS. Hope this helps.
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I think you experiencing a delayed reaction. The data must have been recieved before the call began, but was only rendered on the screen after the call was started.
The ability to receive data and use voice at the same time is dependent on the type of modem. In order to do it the device must have a class "A" modem. PPC Phone Edition devices use class"B" modems. Class "B" only allows one at a time, either voice or data.
Dave
Not sure, all I know is as part of the setup with TomTom 700 it asks you if you want to recieve calls and access Internet at the same time. I chose this option and it seems to work. Well I've had no problems yet.
wardy said:
Not sure, all I know is as part of the setup with TomTom 700 it asks you if you want to recieve calls and access Internet at the same time. I chose this option and it seems to work. Well I've had no problems yet.
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Here is a link that explains it. Scroll down till you see the explanation for class B. All Pocket PC Phone Edition devices that I know of use class B modems.
http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/gprs/class.shtml
Dave
cbrow51 said:
Hi t0flus
Thats very interesting... that must be why it does not work in the us either.... I will be interesting to see if the wizard behaves any differently. Will hopefully be able to try it out in a couple of weeks
Regards
chris
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Chris
No GSM Network in the world allows simultaneous GSM call and GPRS - the technology can't do it (at least what's in operation can't).
In UMTS land, you typically get allocated 128kbps of bandwidth... during a call, 64kbps is reserved for voice/video, and 64 is available for data download.
So to answer your question - yes in UMTS land, yes with wifi as the data bearer
Thanks Southern Man! Where have you been?... and where is that new O2 UK !.40 ROM with the Blackberry client for the xda2s? :wink:
Regards
Chris
Hey all,
Has anyone tried the navizon software. Sounds really good, but on my GSM only one, every time i run the program my GSM loses signal and i have to restart my phone.
www.navizon.com
Anyone got it running?
Dan
post from Navicom forum
A staff member at navicom put this reply on there forum
It disconnects and reconnects so it can get the current cell id. Cell ids are only reported when it changes so in order to get the current one we need to do that. It should only disconnect for 1 second though and reconnect immediately. Do you have any special network settings? Such as choosing your network manually?
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How can i check this on the XDA 2. I cant find any settings on how the network is selected. Any ideas?
Dan
Cellid is coming soon ina new release
Enjoy and Merry Xmas
Thanks so much for that austin_boy!!!
Thanks!!!
Dan
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Cellid is coming soon ina new release
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It would be useful f it'd show CellIDs for neighbour towers as well!
it will show the cell ids in the next release
Austin_Boy - GOOD JOB
I am T-Mobile user in USA and there is some discripences in user manual and real values.
Item 36 and 37 in User Manual (RLC: Uplink coding Scheme and RLC: Downlink coding Scheme) I have read-outs like this
0 - CS1 - same
8 - MCS4 - different - supposed to be MCS5
9 - MCS5 - different - supposed to be MCS6
12 - MCS8 - different - supposed to be MCS9
This is in EDGE network in NYC area. I use FieldTest_157.
May you check it out? Thank you.
Pawlisko said:
Austin_Boy - GOOD JOB
I am T-Mobile user in USA and there is some discripences in user manual and real values.
Item 36 and 37 in User Manual (RLC: Uplink coding Scheme and RLC: Downlink coding Scheme) I have read-outs like this
0 - CS1 - same
8 - MCS4 - different - supposed to be MCS5
9 - MCS5 - different - supposed to be MCS6
12 - MCS8 - different - supposed to be MCS9
This is in EDGE network in NYC area. I use FieldTest_157.
May you check it out? Thank you.
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Can we monitor the handover process via this field test? If yes, what's the parameter for WCDMA and GSM? Pof, thank you very much for the SuperCID thingy...
tr4657 - What do you mean handover in WCDMA? It does not work this way.
In CDMA as long as WCDMA you may might be served by few NodeB's. In FieldTest in WCDMA group you have field Num3GServing which will tell you how many NodeB are serving you. From 1 to 3 at the same time. Items 154-157. Item 146 shows if handset are communicating with NodeB.
In GSM you will be able to see handover when Cell-ID field will be introduced. But only on the time of handover.
Hope that answer you question
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tr4657 - What do you mean handover in WCDMA? It does not work this way.
In CDMA as long as WCDMA you may might be served by few NodeB's. In FieldTest in WCDMA group you have field Num3GServing which will tell you how many NodeB are serving you. From 1 to 3 at the same time. Items 154-157. Item 146 shows if handset are communicating with NodeB.
In GSM you will be able to see handover when Cell-ID field will be introduced. But only on the time of handover.
Hope that answer you question
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OK. Half of my question was answered. Thanks. But I was searching for handover timing and occurences when travelling from point A to point B... I guess I need Nokia Net Monitor to do it.... Huhuhuhi... Sad...
tr4657 - In Nokia Net Monitor you mean Display 41 and 42? If yes - you have to speak with austin_boy thou I think it is not possible that way.
Field test is live program, and you probably need that program to be resident to constantly monitor network parameters and save them.
Nokia NetMon is good, thou to beter monitor networks you need commercial programs, PCMCIA card and laptop to save your findings. Problem with software because it is very expensive (ca. 10k USD).
CDMA and WCDMA work in very different way than GSM. GSM is constant checking due to its nature (TDMA - uses Time, Slots in Cells, Coverage is fixed, only connected to one Slot in BTS, than handoff[handover] to different Slot etc). CDMA is very different (CDMA - uses Code, Cells does not have Slots, Coverage is changing due to workload) that is why it is event driven.
Back to your question - you need better software, for most of us Field_Test is enough - Nokia NetMon is good but also not good enough. If you need more - 10k USD and professional software will give you everything. Almost everything - you need somebody in NMC to cooperate with you for all data.
Thanks for the info. By saying I need a special program; does the program then needs it's own monitoring hardware? I sometimes came across several sites offering the specific hardware to measure all the parameters of Cellular Network including UMTS/CDMA... BTW, what is the name of the software?
tr4657 - I do not have answer for you about software name. I have it somewhere in my private newsgrups but will take time to find it.
I know that there is special software installed in SonyEricsson's, Nokia's and Motorola's handset. This software is very rare, part of selled network infrastructure. Other software is PC based. Usualy you have to have PCMCIA card with special drivers, which allows direct hardware monitoring.
Never heard of software for PPC thou probably it is developed.
Data logging
Can anyone think of a way to log the data from field test at regular intervals eg for mapping reception of an area?
Cell ID Vaule
I have installed this app on my Hermes device. Looks to be working largely OK, but No Cell ID in the AMR section. Any idea ??
Other Devices
Next question - will the application work on any other devices (namely the HTC Artemis). Many Thanks
ace10 said:
I have installed this app on my Hermes device. Looks to be working largely OK, but No Cell ID in the AMR section. Any idea ??
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You need to pick up 2g signal, if your signal is 3g AMR will not work. Force 2g in band selection.
ace10 said:
Next question - will the application work on any other devices (namely the HTC Artemis). Many Thanks
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Is for hermes only.
Cell ID's
vijovame said:
You need to pick up 2g signal, if your signal is 3g AMR will not work. Force 2g in band selection.
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I definately have no 3G signal here - but cell id field was missing from that section..
I'm trying to create a program similar to fieldtest for network diagnostics and troubleshooting for customers on the NextG network which uses 850MHz HSDPA technology. The program must read signal strength and local/neighbouring cell id and then log the data along with some gps info. I'm using an imate jasjam. I guess that the values given in field test are accessed via the RIL? It would be nice to get a copy of the source code for this program so I could see what is happening...
gunrum44 said:
I'm trying to create a program similar to fieldtest for network diagnostics and troubleshooting for customers on the NextG network which uses 850MHz HSDPA technology. The program must read signal strength and local/neighbouring cell id and then log the data along with some gps info. I'm using an imate jasjam. I guess that the values given in field test are accessed via the RIL? It would be nice to get a copy of the source code for this program so I could see what is happening...
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Will be great. Where is NextG?
Hi,
my GPRS connection is working, it connects without any problem but when i try to navigate with PIE then I can see the message "Opening" on the left lower corner but it just stays that way for a long time and the page never gets displayed. My e-mail works fine so that means i have GPRS connection and working. If i try navigating to a WAP site some pages get displayed and some other don't. If i connect via WiFi or via activesync then i can navigate without any problems. Based on my observations I suspect a problem with the MRU (Maximum receive Unit) of the TCPiP stack but i can not find on the registry where to change that.
Hope someone can help.
I used Tweak2K2 to set it in mine. Sorry I do not know the Reg setting.
hguiraud said:
Hi,
my GPRS connection is working, it connects without any problem but when i try to navigate with PIE then I can see the message "Opening" on the left lower corner but it just stays that way for a long time and the page never gets displayed. My e-mail works fine so that means i have GPRS connection and working. If i try navigating to a WAP site some pages get displayed and some other don't. If i connect via WiFi or via activesync then i can navigate without any problems. Based on my observations I suspect a problem with the MRU (Maximum receive Unit) of the TCPiP stack but i can not find on the registry where to change that.
Hope someone can help.
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I wonder whether your HTTP proxy port number is correct. I had same problem and I was using the advertised port number until I discovered there was another one that actually worked. I would suggest a port number but I'm O2 UK (it was `advertised as 80 but only actually worked on PIE with 8080)
Mike
You are not alone
Please check the following threads, both are related to our problem, unfortunely none of them gives a solution.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=286449
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=287101
My GPRS connection doesn´t require an HTTP proxy server so Mike´s suggestion didn´t work for me. I contacted Movistar and they are not open to give support since I didn´t buy the device from them....
On the other hand, if somebody can provide the ROM reg settings and a brief instruction on how can be changed would be great
Hi Luiggi
Sorry you have not got it solved yet. I remembered your post and looked for it but did not find it - hoped you had a solution to offer - sadly not
Edit: I suppose you are certain about the proxy? I ask because mine will connect to GPRS just fine without it - BUT PIE does not unless it's set.
Mike
Maybe it is a Movistar problem
Interesting, so happens that my service provider is also Movistar; maybe they have done something different to their network settings. Any way, I was in the US recently and was able to use GPRS roaming although because the TyTN does not differentiates between GPRS and EDGE it could have been that it was using EDGE and that it why i could navigate using PIE.
The funny thing about this problem is that my e-mail works fine and my SPB whether also updates without problems, it is only the navigation with PIE that i have issues with. Based on my observations it seems to be that if the tcp packet is larger that a certain size it gets dropped by the tcp stack.
Not lucky so far
Hi Mike!
Movistar people told me that the don´t need proxy servers for the connections since they use Dynamic IP addresses (?). I´ve have tried a lot of different configurations but not luck so far, the comment posted above could be they key, now the big question is: What are the proper settings and how to modify the reg...?
Will reflashing the phone be the only solution?
Well looks like the options are narrowing down to reflashing the phone.... I'll give it a couple of days more to see if someone can give Us a hint on what to do.
hguiraud said:
Well looks like the options are narrowing down to reflashing the phone.... I'll give it a couple of days more to see if someone can give Us a hint on what to do.
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I´m not sure about reflashing, actually I have two 8525 I paid to SIM unlock the 1st one so I still have the original ROM 1.34.505.1 and the symptoms are the same, I don´t know what ROM would be suitable to "solve" the problem in case this would be causing the partial lock.
New Finding
I´ve been trying a lot of things and I guess I´m close to the root cause. I strated from scratch with a hard reset and giving a soft reset before the 3 sec secreen of auto configuration, then I tried to set a connection in my ISP, I named it "The Internet" and when I hit the OK button I got a message saying that there was an existing connection setting under the same name!!! I couldn´t find such connection, so I´m pretty sure that the connection is hidden somewhere in the ROM and we need to disable it and create a new one or modify the reg to address a different connection consistent with our own network.... Any thoughts on this?
luiggi said:
I´ve been trying a lot of things and I guess I´m close to the root cause. I strated from scratch with a hard reset and giving a soft reset before the 3 sec secreen of auto configuration, then I tried to set a connection in my ISP, I named it "The Internet" and when I hit the OK button I got a message saying that there was an existing connection setting under the same name!!! I couldn´t find such connection, so I´m pretty sure that the connection is hidden somewhere in the ROM and we need to disable it and create a new one or modify the reg to address a different connection consistent with our own network.... Any thoughts on this?
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I do have exactly the same problem: an MMS connection is missing but stored somewhere... Anyway to figure out where it is? To me, it's just a flag to change in order for it to re-appear in the \connection\connections tab...
MMS in Cingular
Jeff_mm said:
I do have exactly the same problem: an MMS connection is missing but stored somewhere... Anyway to figure out where it is? To me, it's just a flag to change in order for it to re-appear in the \connection\connections tab...
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I mapped that one in Cingular, the MMS settings are self extracted from the extended ROM, if you want to get rid of it just do a hard reset and then a soft reset when the 3 sec message shows up, hope this can help you
Please tell us how you did it....
jcb_home said:
I used Tweak2K2 to set it in mine. Sorry I do not know the Reg setting.
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Yesterday I took a look the the various reg entries and there are some which set default addresses, did you change those addresses? How did you do with Tweak2k2?
8525 on SALE
hguiraud said:
Hi,
my GPRS connection is working, it connects without any problem but when i try to navigate with PIE then I can see the message "Opening" on the left lower corner but it just stays that way for a long time and the page never gets displayed. My e-mail works fine so that means i have GPRS connection and working. If i try navigating to a WAP site some pages get displayed and some other don't. If i connect via WiFi or via activesync then i can navigate without any problems. Based on my observations I suspect a problem with the MRU (Maximum receive Unit) of the TCPiP stack but i can not find on the registry where to change that.
Hope someone can help.
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I went thru all regs and I couldn´t find MRU or LCP (Link Control Protocol) settings, what disturbes me more is that I put my SIM in my 8125 and everything (IE. messenger, Gmail, Hotmail, etc.) works wonderful!! I think I´ll put on sale my 8525.......
More findings
I do have GPRS connection, no doubt about it. I install Tonaya Iper in my phone and the software gives the ability to trace the route from my phone to the destination, for instance The route to www.gmail.com (216.239.63.19)
is as follows (I set the time [email protected]):
1.- 10.15.14.78
2.- 10.2.4.20
3.- 10.2.4.134
4.- 200.36.174.81
5.- 200.39.31.42 (mx-mesr-rt1.telefonica-data.com.mx)
6.- 213.140.50.233 (So-2-3-1-grtmtyma2.red.telefonica-wholesale.net
7.- Request timed out
8.- 213.140.43.25
9.- 213.140.43.225
10.- 213.140.36.45
11.- 213.140.37.57
12.- 64.233.123
13.- 66.249.94.8
14.- 72.14.233.123
15.- 71.14.233.123
16.- 216.239.63.19 (bp-in-f19.google.com)
When I try to trace the communication with a 1 second timeout the phone stalls for a while in server 213.140.50.233 and makes the traceability extremely slow.
My conclusión is that when the communication reach the server 213.140.50.233 this cause a delay and my phone can not continue to the final destination probably because the pre set delay in the application exceeds its timout parameter.
Any suggestions?
Not a "Maybe" MOVISTAR is guilty for poor GPRS connections!!
hguiraud said:
Interesting, so happens that my service provider is also Movistar; maybe they have done something different to their network settings. Any way, I was in the US recently and was able to use GPRS roaming although because the TyTN does not differentiates between GPRS and EDGE it could have been that it was using EDGE and that it why i could navigate using PIE.
The funny thing about this problem is that my e-mail works fine and my SPB whether also updates without problems, it is only the navigation with PIE that i have issues with. Based on my observations it seems to be that if the tcp packet is larger that a certain size it gets dropped by the tcp stack.
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Today I use a SIM from the other mexican cell company (telcel), I just enter APN, user name and password and in a blink my 8525 flew thru PIE, hotmail, MS messenger, Gmail and everything!!! Conclusion:Movistar system or set ups are causing all the connection problems, I´ve spent hours in the phone with their wonderful engineers and none of them has been able to explain why Movistar can´t give a decent service to 8525 users.
Using the Traceroute feature of IPer I notice a very long delay to ping the Movistar router located in Madrid (213.140.50.233), there´s where I think the problem is.
You are right Luiggi...!
One of the guys here at the office also has a Dopod 838pro (I'm ussing a HTC TyTN) but with Telcel instead of Movistar...the push e-mail capabilities and the internet surf are really very good ...but with the GPRS of Movistar I recive my e-mails very delayed in the phone and also still unable to sing in to MSN messenger.
Thanks to your post now I know the trut; I was really thinking that maybe the TyTN was the problem (I mean, the HTC branded because the Dopod was functioning just very fine) I was even thinking in return it...
regards
Hummm I suspected that....
Well I think we have (a winner) an answer (partially), I will go back to Movistar and complain, I may not get any results from it but I really have no options since because of my work I travel a lot and the roaming pricing I get with them is way better that the other alternative. The funny thing about this issue is that other HTC phones do not have it. A co worker has a Wizard and he can navigate with PIE. Maybe it would be interesting to investigate what could be the difference or why other phones can navigate and Tytn can't.
Wizard works great!
hguiraud said:
Well I think we have (a winner) an answer (partially), I will go back to Movistar and complain, I may not get any results from it but I really have no options since because of my work I travel a lot and the roaming pricing I get with them is way better that the other alternative. The funny thing about this issue is that other HTC phones do not have it. A co worker has a Wizard and he can navigate with PIE. Maybe it would be interesting to investigate what could be the difference or why other phones can navigate and Tytn can't.
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I do my living buying and selling phones and I guess next time (tomorrow) I get a Wizard for sale I´ll spend enough time going thru the registry and routes to compare it with the Hermes. Would you guys mind to run IPer and check if the afore mentioned router or server with the problem is common for all of us?
I already wrote a not very nice letter to Movistar, probably they are shocked because normally their tournaround time for an answer is less than 24hrs and this time is taking longer. Next letter I´m going to be addressing the Director or whoever is the top dog.
How do I get/ run the aplication mentioned???
I would like to help to figure out what the problem is or help you guys to get to a solution...so, where can I find and how do I use the software luiggi is mentioning??
Is it free or with a trial version???
regards