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Vario 2 - GPRS faster than UTMS/HSDPA - WTF?

Not having had a PPC or phone that could handle full internet before, I was not sure how fast the speeds should be but I recently was in an area that did not have HSDPA and the phone automatically connected via GPRS.
To my shock, GPRS loads (or displays) web pages noticeably faster than 3 bars of service with UTMS.
I am on T-mob WnW (unlimited) and am currently disabling UTMS when I just want to browse. Downloading is still much faster (dsl speed test etc) but GPRS is way faster at browsing.
It also takes well over a minute to connect to UTMS (sometimes it just stays on "connecting" until I close that and start the connection again) and only about 30secs to connect to gprs.
1, What the hell is going on?
2, Are there settings out there that will stop this issue?
Help. Please. Someone. Soon. Please.

Can I ask how you're finding T-Mobile with WnW? I'm looking at one of their packages, but I'm still umming and arrring...

trapper said:
Can I ask how you're finding T-Mobile with WnW? I'm looking at one of their packages, but I'm still umming and arrring...
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I am using their flext 35 plus WnW. I'm using it instead of a broadband connection and I love it. I must admit that you cannot use it as a modem (it must be WnW Plus), and for p2p and it works like a charm. In general I'm able to download files at around 100KB/s, browsing is extremely fast and the only thing I can sey is go for it

Does it only come with the pink plastic around the keyboard? Also have you stayed with T-Mobile's ROM? And if so what's it like?
What version of WnW did you go for? I'm looking at Flext 35 with WnW Plus. Can I also ask what applications if any you've added?
Many thanks,
-Dave

I am on WnW Flext 25 thorugh T-mob business sales. I got the phone for £59, the package the Flext 25 for £25 per month and WNW for an extra £7.50.
Because I went direct with T-mob I get £5 off per month for life and for the first three months I get WNW for free, so package costs £20 for the first 3 months then goes to £27.50 per month.
Generally I am pleased with flext apart from:
1, 0870 + 0845 (etc) numbers do not come out of your flext allowance and will be charged on top of your bill. For these national rate numbers that you might call often (bank etc) it's worth finding out their standard number (they all have one - say you need to have it as you might be calling them from abroad)
2, The international calls + SMS are v. expensive. Don't use this abroad or for calling someone overseas unless you have a calling card etc. Data is actually not that bad unless you use it a lot.
3, I have really patchy connection problems but think it is the phone not T-mob. They are actually OK at sorting out problems fairly swiftly but this could be due to the fact I am a business customer.
4, I found the way they bill you really confusing and illogically listed, especially the month I ported my number from another network.
I have stuck with the original T-mob ROM as I am having all sorts of connection problems (data and voice) and knew I had to send it back to them. I do however think there are more reliable ROMs out there.
Go for T-mob, the package is the best on the market, Orange is really expensive for data and Voda's packages are not as well thought out.
By the way mean-machine what P2P's are you using?

T-Mobile UK GPRS problem? W'n'W Plus and Max mainly

I'm not sure, but i want to ask if is anyone experiencing some GPRS problems. I can connect to inet w/o probs, i can browse web...., but i cannot connect to IRC(using wmirc or pirc), ICQ or MSN(im+435) or i have troubles with ftp(resco I tried passive and active mode) Am I tho only one or something similar is happenig to others? I'm using HTC-Uni(latest WM6 build 17....)

IRC is blocked as far as i know, unless you use wnw+ or wnw-max. IM apps arent allowed just as much as VoIP over webnwalk.

i use wnw, on contract dont know if its wnw+. it worked a week ago?suddenly stopped. ****ing t-mobil.(maybe because they had to pay £200 for inconvenience)will call them

ive heard a few reports of this today, seems tmob might be cracking down on it??
I havent been able to use irc / stream music etc.... since getting my contract (about 3 weeks ago)

i cannot use ftp as well, just thinking if those bastards didnt start blocking all ports except for 21, 80, IMAP, SMTP, POP3 :-( if yes i'll chec my contract and will take some legal actions ( I love compensation for inconvinience)

Stuck
Hello everyone, ive been trying to follow these T-mobile UK GPRS problems, related post because im in the same boat. My msn messenger wont work and ive given up, (use webmessenger: works fine though). Yahoo messenger will not allow me to make pc 2 pc call any more but works for chatting.
However strange, i am begining to suspect T-mobile UK as they are obliged to do, are cracking down on VOIP / IRC protocols.
Also need to mention that skype and msn messenger works fine from my SPV M3100 so its does confuse me a bit.
Now im wondering should i delete this post A.S.A.P before some t-mobile network engineer see's it and gets to work ? Im only a student(as good as pensioner: financially) who lives on his own, so wNw MAX is mostly out of the way, might need to get a broadband connection

Don't delete the post, they probably wouldn't care what you say. (A t-mobile dude was telling me to flash a different rom to my xda, so it would be fully compatible with them!)
Unfortuneatly on t-mobile they do not allow IM services on their web 'n' walk internet I think you'd have to find a wifi point.

i read fair usage policy, its not alloved for w'n'w but for w'n'w plus is no mention of IM. i sent them a letter via their web, so i'm awaiting answer

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I'm not sure, but i want to ask if is anyone experiencing some GPRS problems. I can connect to inet w/o probs, i can browse web...., but i cannot connect to IRC(using wmirc or pirc), ICQ or MSN(im+435) or i have troubles with ftp(resco I tried passive and active mode) Am I tho only one or something similar is happenig to others? I'm using HTC-Uni(latest WM6 build 17....)
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Which WnW package are you on?
btw before people start complaning that they cant get on msn,etc check which WnW package you have
Wnw
WnW Plus
Wnw Max
then check the TnC to see if it allows you to use that service
Flext + web'n'walk plans
Subject to connection to Flext or U-Fix + web 'n' walk. Minimum term contract and credit check apply. Subject to coverage. Compatible handset required. Roaming charges apply. Not applicable to connection via CSD. *To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers a 1GB (of data both sent and received in the UK) per month fair use policy applies. If you exceed 1GB per month, we may tell you to reduce your future use. If you again exceed 1GB per month, we may tell you that we are going to apply network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed for 14 days. If you exceed 1GB per month for a third time , we may tell you that we are going to apply further network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed until you upgrade your price plan to include a larger data allowance. We do not permit use of this service to provide modem access for a computer or for peer to peer file sharing, internet phone calls or instant messaging. Roaming charges apply.
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Flext + web'n'walk Plus plans
Subject to connection to Flext + web 'n' walk Plus. Minimum term contract and credit check apply. Compatible laptop and handset required. Not applicable to connection via CSD. Subject to coverage. To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers, a fair use policy of 3GB (of data sent and received in the UK) per month applies. If you exceed 3GB per month, we may tell you to reduce your future use. If you again exceed 3GB per month, we may tell you that we are going to apply network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed for 14 days. If you exceed 3GB per month for a third time, we may tell you that we are going to apply further network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed until you upgrade your price plan to include a larger data allowance. We do not permit use of this service for internet phone calls. Roaming charges apply.
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Flext + web'n'walk Max plan
Subject to connection to selected Flext + web'n'walk Max price plans. Minimum term contract and credit check applies. Compatible laptop and handset required. Not applicable to connection via CSD. Subject to coverage. *To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers, a fair use policy of 10GB (of UK data both sent and received) per month applies. If you exceed 10GB per month, we may tell you to reduce your future use. If you again exceed 10GB per month, we may tell you that we are going to apply network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed for 14 days. If you exceed 10GB per month for a third time, we may tell you that we are going to apply further network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed until you upgrade your price plan to include a larger data allowance. Roaming charges apply.
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so if your using skype, msn,etc on the basic WnW and they block that, no point in complaning as you wont have a leg to stand on

i'm on wnw+ so im pissed off. i sesnt them a mail on sund. i do not use skype as viop client only for IM. but i cannot use im+(icq...), mchat, msn messenger, irc. pinkies in callcenter are stupid, they told me that they dont provide supp for 3rd party apps (except the **** in tmo's rom - and U must have extrom installed-so no way to have icon for msn). they sent me back nice letter that they recieved my complain and i will get ans within 5working days. its friday 2:11am and still nothing. BTW IM was reason for wnw2wnw+ upgrade. they are ****ing bastards.

Go to connection settings and clear the checkbox beside "This network uses a proxy server to connect to the Internet"

T-Mob free internet???

Hi! I bought a vario II second hand and I sticked a t-mob brand new payg sim. I register it and topped up with my credit card and only used for internet ever since! now I have been surfing like mad and downloading at least 300mb and my balance still £4.99p how can it be possible? I live in london if some one want take a look to it

I'm guessing you're in for one hell of a bill coming your way eventually. Using data without having a data plan is billed at a ridiculously high amount.

I don't see how they can bill you when you're on PAYG but just don't take the p*** and hope noone notices
Smiffy.

pay as you go does have a data plan, its automatic, basically once you hit £1 thats it you dont get charged anymore that day, meant to be a 40mb limit, but my mates never had issues.
as for your not being charged, dunno about that one!

I'm about 600MB right now... and and my calling credit is now £3.95!!!! hell where my £1.05p went to? shall I phone up and complain? LOL

I've just registered and it's show this does any one understand this? look like I've got 10GB :-O Recent Use
You have no recent activity.
XTR5TEXT Remaining: 5 Events
Pre Pay Picture Messages Remaining: 5 Picture Messages
XTRBROWS Remaining: 9566845 Kb

I use this everyday. I have a T-Mobile PAYG and I connect it to my laptop for a broadband connection. as long as I'm not connected exactly at midnight it's fine. T-Mobile claim you can't do this, but I managed to download SQL Server 2005 SP2 (250MB) in one hit. I stay connected all day when I'm on customer sites and connect again when I get home.
And I can use my VOIP account (again T-Mobile say I can't) through it.

do you guys get HSDPA speeds or just 3g?

I get 3G. 10Mb connection with download speeds ranging from 42k - 120kb ps

your reply is a contradiction in terms

I have a May Monthly contract with T-Mobile, love it, can use web n walk to downloads loads and loads of movies on my laptop while i m on the move, usually download about 1GB a day.
The only problem with it is that they sstarted blocking ports which means you cannot use Intant messagin such as MSN and Yahoo!, have any of you's found a way to trick the port?

radii said:
your reply is a contradiction in terms
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Why? I thought 3G was the slower of the two.

solarromeo said:
I have a May Monthly contract with T-Mobile, love it, can use web n walk to downloads loads and loads of movies on my laptop while i m on the move, usually download about 1GB a day.
The only problem with it is that they sstarted blocking ports which means you cannot use Intant messagin such as MSN and Yahoo!, have any of you's found a way to trick the port?
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I can use MSN this way. I talk to my girlfriend in Mexico every day via MSN. We can use webcams with MSN on a T-Mobile connection too

I got no problems at all!!! I use MSN, Skype, and a VoIP program called voipstunt with no problems at all... I'm also looking to setup SJPHONE pda edition to my phone so I can make free interantional phone calls from the PDA it self using the 3G network, but i've not yet managed to work yet in this country (with T-mobile).

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Why? I thought 3G was the slower of the two.
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Yes you are correct, 3G is slower than HSPDA, i think he was referring to the 10Mb connection comment.
3G is only around 320Kb, HSPDA is around 1.8Mb

T-Mobile Web n Walk Tarif Question

I have spoken to T-Mobile and looked at the site but it just says web browsing is covered by Web n Walk what I want to know is using Windows Live on my Vario 2 is the Windows Live Hotmail sync covered in the Web n Walk £.7.50 a month tarif or is this charged as extra.
I just want to avoid adding things to my Vario that are going to end up costing me a fortune on my next bill.
I dont suppose Windows Live Messenger is covered is it ???
Can anyone using this tarrif with T-mobile UK let me know there experience ??? and whats usable and whats not.
Regards
Kevin

Hi Kev, as far as I know everything is covered on web 'n' walk, I have it and they've never charged me extra for anything. The only thing you I think you have to watch out for is using P2P - if you're always downloading movies they will get you under their fair use policy (some sort of discretionary cap).
You should also check before using your phone as a modem for your laptop, else you might end up with a 5-figure phone bill, like that Canadian chap...

Officially pretty much anything apart from Web browsing and email is excluded from the standard WnW. Try the 7.50 Wnw and if you can access Messenger then do so as you won't be charge any extra. Don't be surprised if one day you find the port blocked though.

This link tells you exactly what you can and cannot, officially, use web'n'walk for:
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/uk/fairuse/
summary:
wnw standard:
1GB monthly limit
modem - NO
P2P - NO
VOIP - NO
IM - NO
wnw plus:
3GB monthly limit
modem - YES
P2P - YES (it doesn't specifically say not whereas standard does say NOT)
VOIP - NO
IM - YES
wnw max:
10GB monthly limit
modem - YES
P2P - YES (as above)
VOIP - YES
IM - YES

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This link tells you exactly what you can and cannot, officially, use web'n'walk for:
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/uk/fairuse/
summary:
wnw standard:
1GB monthly limit
modem - NO
P2P - NO
VOIP - NO
IM - NO
wnw plus:
3GB monthly limit
modem - YES
P2P - YES (it doesn't specifically say not whereas standard does say NOT)
VOIP - NO
IM - YES
wnw max:
10GB monthly limit
modem - YES
P2P - YES (as above)
VOIP - YES
IM - YES
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Yep thats the jist of it....ive seen people who signed up to standard wnw very early on be able to use it for a modem (as i believe the tncs didnt say not to when they signed up) but i had to upgrade to wnw+ to use ICS over my HSDPA connection......works great!

Yea, I started my T-mobile contract in Nov '06 and at first didn't even question the wnw usage as a modem, I just assumed I could... Just before ordering while doing a bit more research I found that fair usage link so went for the wnw+ instead, only 2.50 more pm (at the time).
In fact, I'm sat in a Hotel room in East Kilbride using internet sharing on my Hermes, right now, as I type this on my laptop I didn't have to ask T-Mobile to enable HSDPA either, it was enabled by default. I consistently get ~60KB/s download speed, almost broadband-like
To specifically answer the original question, officially I would say you CAN use wnw standard to enable Windows Live to sync your hotmail but you cannot use Windows Live Messenger. Unofficually, I doubt T-Mobile would do anything if you did... If I were you go for the WnW standard if you don't think you'll want to use the internet sharing and if T-Mobile send you a warning about using Messenger then just upgrade to plus... no bother.

I'm on WnW basic.
The only thing that's blocked is FTP, which is easily worked around by just using my own (private) proxy server to route through. Everything else has always worked, including email and WLM.

O2 X1 as modem - Breaching contract??

I have recently discovered how to use my phone as a modem on my laptop, and use the dataplan. I have unlimited data usage. the question i'm asking is: would they do anything when they find out there's a lot of data being used on my behalf. Also i've looked through O2's t&c's and all it says is fair usage, no actual figure of how much data per month you are allowed. could someone just give me some insightful info.
Thanks,
Joel
Also would using a bluetooth connection maybe make me less inconspicuous as there is a maximum data transfer rate of 56 kilo BYTES using bluetooth, where as O2 has a maximum HSDPA speed of 1.8 mega BITS (around 180 kilo BYTES per second). So maybe staying away from a cable would be slightly beneficial?

from their side it should just show that it's your phone which request and recieve all the data your laptop request thats the nature of using it as a router/modem

what do you mean?

Whoa!!
I used my phone with the Internet Sharing for a couple of days just to check my email and do a little browsing (While I was away in Cornwall).
And I got charged even though i've got unlimited data plan.
According to the O2 they can charge me if I use the phone as a tethered modem. As to how they know the difference between the phones browser and a laptop using it's connection I don't know

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He means they won't know a thing!
Basically, using laptop to access is the same as using the phone but plus convenient.

THJahar said:
Whoa!!
I used my phone with the Internet Sharing for a couple of days just to check my email and do a little browsing (While I was away in Cornwall).
And I got charged even though i've got unlimited data plan.
According to the O2 they can charge me if I use the phone as a tethered modem. As to how they know the difference between the phones browser and a laptop using it's connection I don't know
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May be you could try changing UserAgent on you browser to match opera and see if that works.

I've recieved a warning.. kind of
It reads
O2: Due to your daily data usage being extremely high following our previous warning
Thats it!
I've had no other warnings to my knowledge.
I called to enquire what the meaning of the above message. The call centre op said it was to do with my data usage and Asked me if i was using my phone as a modem
I've been with o2 for many years, and have used my phone as a modem for the entire time
I don't fully believe they can tell what you're doing with your phone, surely if they knew the call centre op would have pointed this out.
But I do believe i have put myself above the radar by DLing the latest episode of Heroes on Tuesday night!! (I was stopping in a hotel and I was bored!)

ha ha brilliant. so... has anyone measured their download speed if so what's the highest you've achieved? i'm intrigued...

I was told the "unlimited" plan was subject to a fair usage policy which was around 300mb a month or so, up to 400 would not be unreasonable the chap said... but I have not even got near that yet... yet...

The only way they can tell your phone is being used as a modem is as a result of the high usage. There is nothing to say that you cannt use your phone as a modem and the only restriction is the unlimited data plan bolt-on's fair usage policy. The policy isn't a set figure from what I have been told, it's a determined level of data allowance based upon your tariff, minutes and texts and your usage on the contract. What I'm not sure of id whether the fair usage figure goes up as you use more minutes and texts. However, I think it is raised by how much your tariff and average monthly spend is.
All I can suggest is not using a phone as a modem other than in an emergency, such as in a power cut....which there are barely any of in the UK.

I work for o2...The official line is your not supposed to do it.
Fair usage policy is 230 MB. It has been set at an amount that a phone alone would never use in a month.
Problem with laptops and PC's is they consume much larger quantities of data, when browsing. The biggest culprit is Auto Windows Update, you can be unaware that this can run in the background downlaoding updates for programs.
If Microsoft releases a service pack for windows or office, that can easily be more than your whole monthly allowance in a matter of minutes.
Theoretically they can charge you £3 for every MB you go over...thus a windows service pack could cost you up £200 to £300.
In the UK they dont often do this, they send polite text messages instead. However do this abroad and they will charge you every time.
Dont worry I wont tell

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But I do believe i have put myself above the radar by DLing the latest episode of Heroes on Tuesday night!! (I was stopping in a hotel and I was bored!)
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YOU MUPPET!
Seriously, torrents are huge hogs of bandwidth so it's no wonder that O2 latched onto you. 350MB seeded back to 1:1 is 700MB total. Even if you got it from newsgroups it would still kill your bandwidth allocation. I know it's not what you want to hear but READ your terms and conditions in future! It's made quite plain that you're not to use the phone tethered to a laptop.
I've been using my mobile internet quite heavily and my account panel says I'm hardly using anything (maybe 5MB per day if I'm lucky). 230MB/month sounds like a reasonable level and thank you for confirming it Mark. Everyone knew it was *around* 200MB but no-one seemed to know exactly how much.

Mark A Cilenti said:
I work for o2...The official line is your not supposed to do it.
Fair usage policy is 230 MB. It has been set at an amount that a phone alone would never use in a month.
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I would think that with todays phones (especially like the x1) they would up this... eg if I use Edge or HSDPA and I would like to download some of the RSS feeds i have and some of them have podcasts (Chinese for language learning) then I can use that allowance in a very very short time... all with just my phone... is the allowance a hang over from the wap type of phones...??

BBC had to stop iplayer going out over GPRS because of download quanitities.
o2 have another data bolt on called Web Max, and its £30 and I think the domestic UK limit on it is around 3GB, it was the for-runner to USB Mobile Broadband.

Data Bolt On Terms
* A maximum of one Data Bolt On can be added at any one time.
* The Web Bolt On allows you unlimited use of Telefónica O2 UK Limited's Edge/GPRS/ 3G networks (as applicable to your handset), for personal internet use via your mobile phone. All usage must be for your private, personal and non-commercial purposes. You may not use your SIM Card:
o in, or connected to, any other device including modems;
o to allow the continuous streaming of any audio / video content, enable Voice over Internet (Voip), P2P or file sharing; or
o in such a way that adversely impacts the service to other O2 customers.
Source : o2.co.uk

I am on the web bolt-on and I have used VoIP and streaming of video and music over the HSDPA network of O2 and I have not seen them charging me in my monthly bill.
I guess they have a way to detect if the device is being used as a modem but the question is how?! Perhaps the only curlprit here is the excessive usage that flagged it up on the system but the same usage could be done using the X1i with a torrent client on the actual device, no?

No such thing has unlimited...

altho o2 still states unlimited, 200mb has also been mentioned on the website..
I guess it just depends how lucky your are..

mkouk said:
I am on the web bolt-on and I have used VoIP and streaming of video and music over the HSDPA network of O2 and I have not seen them charging me in my monthly bill.
I guess they have a way to detect if the device is being used as a modem but the question is how?! Perhaps the only curlprit here is the excessive usage that flagged it up on the system but the same usage could be done using the X1i with a torrent client on the actual device, no?
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Whilst the easiest way will be useage, they can also spot which ports you are using, so stuff like BitTorrent should be detectable.

on o2 uk it says you must not connect it to a laptop