Not having had a PPC or phone that could handle full internet before, I was not sure how fast the speeds should be but I recently was in an area that did not have HSDPA and the phone automatically connected via GPRS.
To my shock, GPRS loads (or displays) web pages noticeably faster than 3 bars of service with UTMS.
I am on T-mob WnW (unlimited) and am currently disabling UTMS when I just want to browse. Downloading is still much faster (dsl speed test etc) but GPRS is way faster at browsing.
It also takes well over a minute to connect to UTMS (sometimes it just stays on "connecting" until I close that and start the connection again) and only about 30secs to connect to gprs.
1, What the hell is going on?
2, Are there settings out there that will stop this issue?
Help. Please. Someone. Soon. Please.
Can I ask how you're finding T-Mobile with WnW? I'm looking at one of their packages, but I'm still umming and arrring...
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I am using their flext 35 plus WnW. I'm using it instead of a broadband connection and I love it. I must admit that you cannot use it as a modem (it must be WnW Plus), and for p2p and it works like a charm. In general I'm able to download files at around 100KB/s, browsing is extremely fast and the only thing I can sey is go for it
Does it only come with the pink plastic around the keyboard? Also have you stayed with T-Mobile's ROM? And if so what's it like?
What version of WnW did you go for? I'm looking at Flext 35 with WnW Plus. Can I also ask what applications if any you've added?
Many thanks,
-Dave
I am on WnW Flext 25 thorugh T-mob business sales. I got the phone for £59, the package the Flext 25 for £25 per month and WNW for an extra £7.50.
Because I went direct with T-mob I get £5 off per month for life and for the first three months I get WNW for free, so package costs £20 for the first 3 months then goes to £27.50 per month.
Generally I am pleased with flext apart from:
1, 0870 + 0845 (etc) numbers do not come out of your flext allowance and will be charged on top of your bill. For these national rate numbers that you might call often (bank etc) it's worth finding out their standard number (they all have one - say you need to have it as you might be calling them from abroad)
2, The international calls + SMS are v. expensive. Don't use this abroad or for calling someone overseas unless you have a calling card etc. Data is actually not that bad unless you use it a lot.
3, I have really patchy connection problems but think it is the phone not T-mob. They are actually OK at sorting out problems fairly swiftly but this could be due to the fact I am a business customer.
4, I found the way they bill you really confusing and illogically listed, especially the month I ported my number from another network.
I have stuck with the original T-mob ROM as I am having all sorts of connection problems (data and voice) and knew I had to send it back to them. I do however think there are more reliable ROMs out there.
Go for T-mob, the package is the best on the market, Orange is really expensive for data and Voda's packages are not as well thought out.
By the way mean-machine what P2P's are you using?
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Sorry if you all already know this, but orange payg are offering unlimited gprs for only £1 per day, i've been using it for about 2 weeks and it's pretty good, it's a full data connection too so you can get emails or sync over the air etc. In my opinion the best part is that you can pick and choose when you want it.
yeah i'm on it too. The Orange Unlimited GPRS extra for £1 thing right?
People signing upwith Orange to get this extra,REMEMBER, the gprs extra runs out at midnight, regardless of what time you apply it!
Applying it at 23:00 is just plain stupid cos you'll have to re-apply the extra at 00:00 anyway.
I've got a contact stored on my XDA that is assigned to a speed dial key. When pressed, it automatically re-applies the extra.
To do the same, create a new contact & give it this phone number: 450p#p3p1p4p1p1
The call to 453 should take about 45 secs, after that your extra should be applied
THE GPRS DOES NOT INCLUDE DOWNLOADING OVER P2P PORTS!!! almost everything else works fine (ftp, http, https, msn messenger, e-mail-etc) but using p2p costs you money, regardless of whether the extra is applied or not.
anyone know of a PPC app that dials a contact at a scheduled time and disconnect after X seconds? would be real useful for this
does that mean i cud use skype on it?
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does that mean i cud use skype on it?
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No, gprs is to slow for skype. My T-mobile gprs is about 40-50kbits/s. (flat-fee for 9,50 euro's a month )
sorry but what why can i use?
im looking into all thsi mobile net stuff but need to find the facts before i lay out money
if i try to get info in store they just try and sell,me stuff i dont need
Well its about the same speed as dial up, so you can surf the net (albeit slowly) and you can use MSN and collect email. its useful but its no replacement for wifi or 3G. I use it when I'm at work (i do a lot of waiting around)
Are you sure you are right ???? GPRS
Ive just picked up an orange sim and yes the £1.00 per day unlimited offer still stands but its for orange world , not other services . I thought from the original thread that this would give me GPRS access to the web ?
Can you confirm what service you have been getting with it ?
Im looking for a basic internet connection I dont mind slow but I do mind £2.35 and upwards per Meg .!!!
Any thoughts
Astro1
I can confirm (with 390 megs of GPRS used under my belt) that it works with any http address.
Haha, if the service worked with P2P, orange'd have been raped for bandwidth by now.
I'm considering upgrading my SPV M600 to a M3100 & would like to know, from an Orange user in the UK the TRUE cost of Internet access.
On my M1000 - couple of years ago - I was getting large bills & Orange claimed that the phone was 'left connected' for long periods, it appeared to be 'self connecting'!
What are 'typical' monthly bills for Internet usage?
Thanks
Peter
well... what is your 'typical' bill costing on averange now?
changing device isn't going to affect the cost of data or have i missed something?
if you want to know how much data costs on orange why not look on their website?
the phone isn't going to connect by itself - at least mine never has!
Orange Data Charges
After reading: http://www.robertprice.co.uk/robblog/archive/2005/2/Extortionate_Data_Charges_On_Orange.shtml
Plus unusually unhelpful staff at Orange I've bought MDA Vario II on t-Mobile - delivered today...just hope T-Mobile coverage is OK!
Tomtooter I am going to England at the end of the year and I am thinking of a getting a T-Mobile PAYG SIM as the roaming costs are astronomical. If you could let me know how you find coverage it would be much appreciated.
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well... what is your 'typical' bill costing on averange now?
changing device isn't going to affect the cost of data or have i missed something?
if you want to know how much data costs on orange why not look on their website?
the phone isn't going to connect by itself - at least mine never has!
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I cannot speak as an orange user ( I'm O2) but it can connect by itself I've seen it happen for a variety of reasons:
Auto connection settings to retrieve mail can be as often as every 15 mins,
And if you are connected to your home/office network and the connection is dropped the device will automatically seek another connection which in my case is GPRS.
This can happen without you noticing and you can surf away merrily thinking your on wifi but actually on data rates. One evening I lost over 10UKP due to this. If I hadn't realised what was happening then over a month it would have been huge. Now I'm wiser and keep an eye on what connection is being used.
Mike
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I cannot speak as an orange user ( I'm O2) but it can connect by itself I've seen it happen for a variety of reasons:
Auto connection settings to retrieve mail can be as often as every 15 mins,
And if you are connected to your home/office network and the connection is dropped the device will automatically seek another connection which in my case is GPRS.
This can happen without you noticing and you can surf away merrily thinking your on wifi but actually on data rates. One evening I lost over 10UKP due to this. If I hadn't realised what was happening then over a month it would have been huge. Now I'm wiser and keep an eye on what connection is being used.
Mike
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Yes, I had the same problem on O2 on my XDA2, Tomom traffic was connecting for updates & I was getting LARGE bills
Well I am on Telstra but I once got hit for $200 as Journal Bar http://www.omegaone.com/journalbar/ppc/default.htm (it is great software but I forgot to disable remote updating) connected without my knowledge and stayed connected for 9 hours and in that time it had updated itself 9 times!!!
I would recommend getting a data pack.
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Tomtooter I am going to England at the end of the year and I am thinking of a getting a T-Mobile PAYG SIM as the roaming costs are astronomical. If you could let me know how you find coverage it would be much appreciated.
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Certainly OK in Citys & areas of dense population, I live in a Knutsford a small Cheshire Town & it's OK but I work in a rural area; that's where I NEED DATA - I have 8MB broadband at home.
Will post my experiences later
Tomtooter thanks for the info!! As I want to go into the smaller towns would you recommend T-Mobile? As I need data so I can check my emails so data costs are important but cheap data is no good if you don’t have the coverage to use it. Any info would be much appreciated.
I'm not sure, but i want to ask if is anyone experiencing some GPRS problems. I can connect to inet w/o probs, i can browse web...., but i cannot connect to IRC(using wmirc or pirc), ICQ or MSN(im+435) or i have troubles with ftp(resco I tried passive and active mode) Am I tho only one or something similar is happenig to others? I'm using HTC-Uni(latest WM6 build 17....)
IRC is blocked as far as i know, unless you use wnw+ or wnw-max. IM apps arent allowed just as much as VoIP over webnwalk.
i use wnw, on contract dont know if its wnw+. it worked a week ago?suddenly stopped. ****ing t-mobil.(maybe because they had to pay £200 for inconvenience)will call them
ive heard a few reports of this today, seems tmob might be cracking down on it??
I havent been able to use irc / stream music etc.... since getting my contract (about 3 weeks ago)
i cannot use ftp as well, just thinking if those bastards didnt start blocking all ports except for 21, 80, IMAP, SMTP, POP3 :-( if yes i'll chec my contract and will take some legal actions ( I love compensation for inconvinience)
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Hello everyone, ive been trying to follow these T-mobile UK GPRS problems, related post because im in the same boat. My msn messenger wont work and ive given up, (use webmessenger: works fine though). Yahoo messenger will not allow me to make pc 2 pc call any more but works for chatting.
However strange, i am begining to suspect T-mobile UK as they are obliged to do, are cracking down on VOIP / IRC protocols.
Also need to mention that skype and msn messenger works fine from my SPV M3100 so its does confuse me a bit.
Now im wondering should i delete this post A.S.A.P before some t-mobile network engineer see's it and gets to work ? Im only a student(as good as pensioner: financially) who lives on his own, so wNw MAX is mostly out of the way, might need to get a broadband connection
Don't delete the post, they probably wouldn't care what you say. (A t-mobile dude was telling me to flash a different rom to my xda, so it would be fully compatible with them!)
Unfortuneatly on t-mobile they do not allow IM services on their web 'n' walk internet I think you'd have to find a wifi point.
i read fair usage policy, its not alloved for w'n'w but for w'n'w plus is no mention of IM. i sent them a letter via their web, so i'm awaiting answer
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I'm not sure, but i want to ask if is anyone experiencing some GPRS problems. I can connect to inet w/o probs, i can browse web...., but i cannot connect to IRC(using wmirc or pirc), ICQ or MSN(im+435) or i have troubles with ftp(resco I tried passive and active mode) Am I tho only one or something similar is happenig to others? I'm using HTC-Uni(latest WM6 build 17....)
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Which WnW package are you on?
btw before people start complaning that they cant get on msn,etc check which WnW package you have
Wnw
WnW Plus
Wnw Max
then check the TnC to see if it allows you to use that service
Flext + web'n'walk plans
Subject to connection to Flext or U-Fix + web 'n' walk. Minimum term contract and credit check apply. Subject to coverage. Compatible handset required. Roaming charges apply. Not applicable to connection via CSD. *To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers a 1GB (of data both sent and received in the UK) per month fair use policy applies. If you exceed 1GB per month, we may tell you to reduce your future use. If you again exceed 1GB per month, we may tell you that we are going to apply network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed for 14 days. If you exceed 1GB per month for a third time , we may tell you that we are going to apply further network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed until you upgrade your price plan to include a larger data allowance. We do not permit use of this service to provide modem access for a computer or for peer to peer file sharing, internet phone calls or instant messaging. Roaming charges apply.
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Flext + web'n'walk Plus plans
Subject to connection to Flext + web 'n' walk Plus. Minimum term contract and credit check apply. Compatible laptop and handset required. Not applicable to connection via CSD. Subject to coverage. To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers, a fair use policy of 3GB (of data sent and received in the UK) per month applies. If you exceed 3GB per month, we may tell you to reduce your future use. If you again exceed 3GB per month, we may tell you that we are going to apply network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed for 14 days. If you exceed 3GB per month for a third time, we may tell you that we are going to apply further network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed until you upgrade your price plan to include a larger data allowance. We do not permit use of this service for internet phone calls. Roaming charges apply.
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Subject to connection to selected Flext + web'n'walk Max price plans. Minimum term contract and credit check applies. Compatible laptop and handset required. Not applicable to connection via CSD. Subject to coverage. *To ensure a high quality of service for all our customers, a fair use policy of 10GB (of UK data both sent and received) per month applies. If you exceed 10GB per month, we may tell you to reduce your future use. If you again exceed 10GB per month, we may tell you that we are going to apply network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed for 14 days. If you exceed 10GB per month for a third time, we may tell you that we are going to apply further network protection controls, resulting in a reduced network speed until you upgrade your price plan to include a larger data allowance. Roaming charges apply.
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so if your using skype, msn,etc on the basic WnW and they block that, no point in complaning as you wont have a leg to stand on
i'm on wnw+ so im pissed off. i sesnt them a mail on sund. i do not use skype as viop client only for IM. but i cannot use im+(icq...), mchat, msn messenger, irc. pinkies in callcenter are stupid, they told me that they dont provide supp for 3rd party apps (except the **** in tmo's rom - and U must have extrom installed-so no way to have icon for msn). they sent me back nice letter that they recieved my complain and i will get ans within 5working days. its friday 2:11am and still nothing. BTW IM was reason for wnw2wnw+ upgrade. they are ****ing bastards.
Go to connection settings and clear the checkbox beside "This network uses a proxy server to connect to the Internet"
Hi! I bought a vario II second hand and I sticked a t-mob brand new payg sim. I register it and topped up with my credit card and only used for internet ever since! now I have been surfing like mad and downloading at least 300mb and my balance still £4.99p how can it be possible? I live in london if some one want take a look to it
I'm guessing you're in for one hell of a bill coming your way eventually. Using data without having a data plan is billed at a ridiculously high amount.
I don't see how they can bill you when you're on PAYG but just don't take the p*** and hope noone notices
Smiffy.
pay as you go does have a data plan, its automatic, basically once you hit £1 thats it you dont get charged anymore that day, meant to be a 40mb limit, but my mates never had issues.
as for your not being charged, dunno about that one!
I'm about 600MB right now... and and my calling credit is now £3.95!!!! hell where my £1.05p went to? shall I phone up and complain? LOL
I've just registered and it's show this does any one understand this? look like I've got 10GB :-O Recent Use
You have no recent activity.
XTR5TEXT Remaining: 5 Events
Pre Pay Picture Messages Remaining: 5 Picture Messages
XTRBROWS Remaining: 9566845 Kb
I use this everyday. I have a T-Mobile PAYG and I connect it to my laptop for a broadband connection. as long as I'm not connected exactly at midnight it's fine. T-Mobile claim you can't do this, but I managed to download SQL Server 2005 SP2 (250MB) in one hit. I stay connected all day when I'm on customer sites and connect again when I get home.
And I can use my VOIP account (again T-Mobile say I can't) through it.
do you guys get HSDPA speeds or just 3g?
I get 3G. 10Mb connection with download speeds ranging from 42k - 120kb ps
your reply is a contradiction in terms
I have a May Monthly contract with T-Mobile, love it, can use web n walk to downloads loads and loads of movies on my laptop while i m on the move, usually download about 1GB a day.
The only problem with it is that they sstarted blocking ports which means you cannot use Intant messagin such as MSN and Yahoo!, have any of you's found a way to trick the port?
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your reply is a contradiction in terms
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Why? I thought 3G was the slower of the two.
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I have a May Monthly contract with T-Mobile, love it, can use web n walk to downloads loads and loads of movies on my laptop while i m on the move, usually download about 1GB a day.
The only problem with it is that they sstarted blocking ports which means you cannot use Intant messagin such as MSN and Yahoo!, have any of you's found a way to trick the port?
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I can use MSN this way. I talk to my girlfriend in Mexico every day via MSN. We can use webcams with MSN on a T-Mobile connection too
I got no problems at all!!! I use MSN, Skype, and a VoIP program called voipstunt with no problems at all... I'm also looking to setup SJPHONE pda edition to my phone so I can make free interantional phone calls from the PDA it self using the 3G network, but i've not yet managed to work yet in this country (with T-mobile).
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Why? I thought 3G was the slower of the two.
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Yes you are correct, 3G is slower than HSPDA, i think he was referring to the 10Mb connection comment.
3G is only around 320Kb, HSPDA is around 1.8Mb
anyone here can help me.
i stealing internet from 3g.
am able to get online with out any plan,
what i did is just put the sim card in and turn the phone on.
am able to explorer the net. and use msn to chat so on.
but it stops when i upgrd to WM6. it only aollws to explorer but not letting conect to msn
is any one have the same prolems
or can anyone help me
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anyone here can help me.
i stealing internet from 3g.
am able to get online with out any plan,
what i did is just put the sim card in and turn the phone on.
am able to explorer the net. and use msn to chat so on.
but it stops when i upgrd to WM6. it only aollws to explorer but not letting conect to msn
is any one have the same prolems
or can anyone help me
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Nobody would help you to STEAL
which phone plan are you on? Please note that of you are say telstra or virgin mobile customer you are always able to get hsdpa connectio without first signing up for their data plan. In this case, all data usage will be charged at the ultra expensive rate of about 1.5 cents per kb. This is also the rate one pays for exceeding the allocated quota under a data plan. I know there was a guy with a 1 gb plan who was billed about 15k in a month for exceeding his plan by 7 percent.
I hope your telco has not just stolen from YOU instead of the other way round!
am using 3G's 99 plan for now.
i have been checking my bill's. it didnt show a big rise
i think i may keep look
perhaps you should do some research here http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-threads.cfm?f=124 aboutdata plans in australia.
If you are on the "3" network you are roaming anywhere outside the limited network and charges are then anything but free
BTW I also upgraded to the WM6 and have a virgin (only 300mb )data plan and have no connection troubles
I'm a bit lucky that I got the 1gb data pack for $10 from virgin before they changed the plan offer.
I normally use about 800mb per month, but I still watch my usage with a gprs monitor. The penalty for exceeding the quotas is scary, judging by the postings to the whirlpool forum. I'm frankly quite concern for people who innocently step into the trap of using it thinking it is free,or carelessly exceed the quota. The rate of 1.5 cents per kb is day light robbery. Display of one web page could cost close to $10!